IS LEICA GLASS WORTH THE MONEY? (Leica Summicron 35mm F2 vs. Voigtländer Nokton 35mm F1.4)

[@KarinMajoka]

Which look of which lens did you prefer? And what is your opinion when it comes to the question "Is Leica glass worth the money"? I would be interested to learn more about your thoughts, so please feel free to share them here. Also: In case you want to support my work and get access to additional content, please head over to my Patreon page: www.patreon.com/karinmajoka Lots of love, Karin 🤍

[@jayj8524]

Hallo, Ich hatte bis vor kurzem das VOIGTLANDER ULTRON 28MM F2.0 TYPE II VM ASPHÉRIQUE zu meiner Leica M, das wirklich ein klasse Objektiv ist. Fantastische Schärfe, 1A Fertigungsqualität sowie hervorragende Farbwiedergabe, die Photos waren total beeindruckend! Man kann dieses herrliche Objektiv zu 100% empfehlen. Da ich mir nun eine Q3 zu meiner M hinzugekauft habe, dessen 28er das Voigtländer ja ersetzt, habe ich das 28er Objektiv von Voigtländer zu meinem Bedauern verkauft. Grüße aus Luxemburg.

[@FlowzenKing]

Die Nokton Linse. Warum? Die Farben sehen besser aus (wärmer), der Helo Effekt bei F1.4 ist genau der Look den ich feier und es gibt kein chromatischen Aberration wie bei der Leica.

[@ivanjortiz8]

B

[@atf2940]

Spotting the chrome ring on Karin's lens at 2:38 spoilt the game for me. 😏

[@mahdiali6732]

Me too 😅

[@benjhaisch]

That intro is my comment section 😂

[@KarinMajoka]

Hahahah feel you! 😂

[@olesjor]

I think the voigtlander looks great. It was the one that I preferred.

[@KarinMajoka]

It's a great lens and I saw really happy with it for the most part. :)

[@ankerwiedemann]

I bought the Nokton 35 mm 10 months ago and have been extremely happy with it. I don't mind small imperfections like vignetting, but the reason why I decided to change it for a Leica Elmarit was the focal length. I wanted to exchange it for a 28 mm lens instead and having seen som reviews, I decided the pricy Elmarit 28 mm was right for me. I expect to shoot it a lot for street, cityscape, architecture and landscape and the 50 mm Summicron for portraits and everything else. I ended up becoming annoyed by the constraints of a 35 mm and wanted something more versatile and moderne as my go to lens. But I have to say that the colour rendering of the Nokton and sharpness produces really lovely pictures. I will try to sell it, but I will keep it, if I can't get a decent price on it.

[@ignus16]

This is a really good comparison video - thanks for taking the time to make it and share!!

[@SoftwavesMedia]

As a collector of the very finest cameras, I personally believe that’s all about their character, charm and experience of shooting. The fun factor. Not necessarily the price, sharpness or speed. It’s about that instant moment that you grab that equipment and, from the first few shots, you know you are hooked. That sweet formula that makes in love for photography again and again.

[@jamiea8318]

Also agree. I’ve had a few dozen lenses over the past 20 years, budget to Leica APO lenses, as well as some of Sony, Canon, Sigma and Voigtlanders best. Quality was ultimately not the prevailing factor for me. “Good enough” with great ergonomics (largely, compactness) wins. If the lens quality is the make or break for a picture, then I wasn’t taking a great picture to begin with.

[@cameronwheatley7065]

Strange, to me the Nokton actually looks sharper in the centre from f2 (at 13:30). Either way if the 'sharpness' is the thing people notice about your photos then that's not a good sign. Some of the most amazing images I've ever seen aren't even fully in focus! For me I prefer cheap stuff because I can be more adventurous and focus on capturing images than worrying about super expensive gear.

[@EdGripology]

Glad it’s not just me! The Nokton certainly does look sharper in the centre crops from f2, and not just because of the higher green/red colour fringing on the lens engraving from the Summicron. Unless maybe those crops were captioned the wrong way round…

[@kurocamera]

Without a doubt the nokton was way sharper all the way from f2 to f5.6, from f8 all lenses look the same anyway sharpness wise

[@arthurpeterson5273]

Putting aside the matter of the two lenses in your video, I should like to congratulate you on the very high level of your use of the English language. I wish I were able to speak ANY second language as easily and proficiently as you speak English. I was particularly struck by the ease with which you deployed the adjective "proud" in a very unusual (but not unheard of) and, one might almost say, poetic way, by referring to the Leica lens's "proud price tag." Brilliant! It made my ears perk up immediately. I thought, "Did she really say that?" and I had to go back and listen to it again to be sure that I heard what I thought I heard. My hat is off to you! Congratulations.

[@jr8440]

Nice to see pictures from Münster. A nice and fair comparison. The Nocton looks very good but I guess in the end we all want the summicron. did not know that they are so close...

[@KarinMajoka]

Münster is not such an easy city for street photography though. Totally agree, they are in fact really close!

[@trifin5772]

I can’t tell… I’m surprised as I thought I knew the look of both of those lenses. I thought they were quite different lenses but you show that the differences are in real life very small… thank you.

[@KarinMajoka]

I totally agree! I still think the Leica outperformed the Nokton when it comes to technical details. But in the end it does not really matter because the "real life" test results showed how close and hard to distinguish they actually were.

[@bhop.builds]

Nice comparison video! Some others have noted the lens hood giving it away, which I noticed as well 😅, but I guessed it right before that, but ONLY because of some distortion on some of the straight on shots of buildings where a window edge or other straight line was at the edge of the frame. If it weren't for that distortion I probably wouldn't have been able to tell much of a difference. I have the Nokton myself and have always enjoyed shooting with it and am perfectly happy with the photos it makes. I definitely don't feel like the Summicron is worth $2000 more for my purposes...but then, i've never actually used one myself.🤔

[@dr.seltsam1975]

Super Review und sehr schöner, praxisbezogener Vergleich. Kommt gerade richtig, da ich plane von der Fuji X-Pro3 auf eine Leica M (wohl die Monochrom Typ 246) umzusteigen. Bin noch in der Entscheidungsphase… Das Nokton steht bei mir auf der Liste und dieses Review kommt mir gerade gelegen. Dankeschön dafür ✌🏻☺️ Ich mag den Look und ja, vom Preis her isses auch sehr ansprechend.

[@KarinMajoka]

Vielen Dank für deinen Kommentar, das freut mich! :) Oh, spannend! Wo stehst du grade im Entscheidungssprozess, wieso wird es vermutlich die 246 Monochrome? Das Nokton ist super, das Review zeigt mir nochmal wie nah die beiden Objektive in der Praxis doch aneinander sind.

[@dr.seltsam1975]

@@KarinMajoka Hi ! Ich bin grad auf der Suche nach einem guten Angebot für eine M246. Monochrome daher, da ich immer mehr feststelle das ich bei Street hauptsächlich B/W fotografiere und eine Kamera mit Monochrom-Sensor reizt mich schon seit langem. Andererseits überlege ich auch die X-Pro3 zu behalten und mir die Voigtländer Noktons für den X-Mount zuzulegen und dann nur mit monochromen Fuji-Rezepten bzw. Lightroom-Presets zu arbeiten. Morgen bekomme ich ein Nokton 23 f/1.2 geliehen. Vielleicht läuft das auch darauf hinaus. Ist ja auch eine finanzielle Frage ;). Mal schauen wo der Weg hinführt.

[@ferv5470]

Great content! The purist will not agree but I guess you can enjoy a Leica camera with a non Leica lens. Sure a lot of the Leica lenses are great. But totally not in reach of my budget. So Voigtlander makes great lenses you can enjoy the great M bodies with a very good lens without paying the price most people can not afford. Another great alternative for me are the Carl Zeiss lenses. A bit higher in price as Voigtlander but IMHO also better performing. And now I am gonna make the purists 🤮. I own 2 7Artisan lenses. Both very well made. Focus is smooth and tight! All metal and glass. A 35mm f2 and a 50mm f1.1. And both perform above what there price would suggest! I use the 50mm on my old M8 that is 66mm on that camera. I shoot Monochrome jpegs with this camera, and the results are absolutely stunning! Keep up the good work!! Kind regards.

[@kevangogh]

I have that same 11827 35mm Summicron and use it on my M6 TTL and also M11. Having taken it all over the world, I can say it's a completely solid performing lens at all apertures. Glad I didn't compromise.

[@KarinMajoka]

That sounds great! Actually, having the M10 now, tipped me over the edge staying with the Summicron and not the Nokton. I love how the Summicron renders on digital as well, it's so versatile!

[@sampope6426]

I have both lenses and with film I don't think there are enough differences to justify the cost of the Leica, but with my M11 it is pretty obvious that the Leica is much sharper. I also have the Voigtlander 35 APO Lanthar and it is a bit sharper than the Leica and there is no color fringing when looking into the sun, you should check it out. So far the APO is my best 35mm lens (even compared to my Nikon Z & F glass) but it's kind of large and obtrusive so I have yet to decide between the two.

[@morespinach9832]

Yes but not good for late night bar shots. Or many other things where lower aperture numbers like 1.2 excel.

[@matankedar7050]

I don’t understand why everybody is talking about sharpness. The most obvious difference that gave the Nokton away was color rendition. The Summicron has a much more natural, balanced color rendition, while the Nokton clearly is much warmer and on the magenta side of things. It’s not necessarily bad, but it’s obvious. I don’t have money for the Summicron, but I have to say I was an inch away from buying the Nokton, and this video might have swayed me away and made me stick to my original plan to put a Zeiss Biogon on my Leica M4 rather than the Nokton. Thanks!

[@SourPlanet]

This. I see these sort of videos all the time and this is literally the first time someone has pointed out this extremely obvious difference. Voigtlander has a look, and if you know that then the "blind tests" are not blind in the least.

[@superkrell]

Exactly...!

[@matankedar7050]

@@SourPlanet 👌

[@superkrell]

@@matankedar7050 Totally obvious…!

[@Bunnyisms]

I preferred the Nokton more and it had more of a look I wanted. I have a bunch of the Cosina Voigtlander lenses and I love them. I also have a Super Nokton for my Micro 4/3 body and it's a top favorite even though I rarely shoot it wide open

[@thebiblioholic]

Nice comparison. Enjoy your new lens. I only have two lenses for my two Leica M's (film and digital): the same 35mm Summicron and the 28mm Elmarit.

[@KarinMajoka]

Thank you! :) The 28mm Elmarit seems to be a great lens as well.

[@mullerzwo7936]

First of all, thanks for this cool comparison, it's a great idea to have these two excellent lenses go head to head. I honestly had the right guess during the video as to which was the Leica lens. The images with the Summicron had that slightly clearer, cooler color shades, aka "Leica look", to me. With the Nokton, I found the colors more vibrant and the look a bit more washed out, more vintage style. If money was no object, the Summicron would be my first choice, but in real life I would probably go with the Voigtländer and still be very happy with it. 🙂

[@andytheghosthunter]

So So close! I’m just blown away that you can get such amazing quality and sharpness from film. I preferred the Leica but as said it was so close. Great video and a decision I’m going to have to make soon when I get my M6 or MP.

[@caenalog]

Love your new Viedo, Karin! His name being Elmar makes it quite confusing though ;) 😄

[@spallutography]

Great comparison. I sold my Nokton 35mm f1.4 to fund a 50mm Summicron. The Voigtländer is the perfect first start in the world of the M-lenses. I loved the compact size. Maybe I will buy one again 🙂

[@KarinMajoka]

Interesting, that you made the switch from 35mm to 50mm with that! It's a great and really affordable lens you cannot go wrong with. :)

[@spallutography]

@@KarinMajokaNow - several years ago - there are many different lenses in my bag. Too much 😂

[@ZOMBIELUIS666]

Always cool seeing Eastblockboy!

[@AdamOnAnalogue]

This was great - it's just a shame that the lens hoods gave this away quite early on who was shooting what. Still very interesting results. Great video.

[@KarinMajoka]

Totally true, I only realised it in the edit (and hoped people would not pay attention too closely haha). But it was so bright that day, that shooting without a lens hood would be a terrible option.

[@RichardPilon]

I had noticed the lens hoods also but still enjoyed the video, especially the side my side comparison.

[@bo_norris]

What a great review and very helpful in decision making considering that I’ve shot with the voigtlander 35 1.4 MC & MCII for four years. I’ve been trying to find out if it was worth the swap. I’d say very much so from this video.

[@KarinMajoka]

Thanks for sharing! :) Glad you are happy with your choice!

[@nicolasfilsdejean]

Hello and thank you for this interesting video. The give away was when I saw the lens hood on your camera ... But I still enjoyed the video and I was very very much surprised at the look of the files coming from the Voigtlander. I have shot the older version (on a Leica M9) and was not very happy with center sharpness and most importantly colour fringing but it seems they've made everything better now and for a third of the price compared to the Summicron!!! Great value for the money, great to be able to go out and shooot with a lens that gets good results and will generate less stress if banged (a little). I have also shot with a Summicron ASPH 35mm (on the M9 and then on a M240 and an M6 as well) but I was less than happy with it: seems to me that (at least on my version) the Leica "pop" was lacking and overall build quality was to par with the Voigtlander; but not over the top.

[@SicksomniA]

Really nice comparison, love the images you both shot!

[@KarinMajoka]

Thank you! :)

[@chapsibnnoel3626]

Karin, loved the video and I appreciated the challenge. Elmar was shooting the Leica. Voigtlander colors are to my eye more saturated. And while no one can argue that there are some incredible Third Party lenses, the Leica ecosystem is my preference. That they retain their value certainly helps when pulling the trigger on each and every lens purchase. Continued happiness and success to you and yours. Be Blessed, Doc Chaps

[@paulCLEMENTS-s2i]

I prefer the Nokton, as it's more "Rock & Roll. The lens is not perfect, in the same way we as humans are not perfect, and it's always good to embrace the error. Also, as Henry Cartier-Bresson once said: "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept"... That's not to say this statement should be used as an excuse for poor technique, rather that not every image has to be sharp to be credible...

[@RB_MWB]

I clocked the Summicron right away simply because I use a 50mm Summicron F2. The modern crons are so sharp. I found your Nokton to have noticeably warmer tones with a little more distortion. I’m currently shopping for a 35mm lens so this comparison was super helpful. Because I mostly shoot cars, I think I would go with the option that is more neutral in color rendering to highlight the true color of the cars. The sharpness doesn’t matter as much to me.

[@MARKLINMAN1]

The Noktons colors Popped a bit more, thank you for this video. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@rangajiramachandran7979]

I love my Voigt collection for the SL2S , placebo makes you think Leica lens may be leaps ahead while actual perceptual difference maybe negligible. Great video

[@LordAlmanGrimm]

Hello Karin, i have no idea about Cameras but i always enjoy these videos! keep on keeping on!

[@wearetrackclub]

Great shots, Karin! Really interesting comparison. 👏🔥

[@andrekproductions13]

This is crazy! I loved the warmth of the Voigtlander images sooo much and was convinced that was gonna be the Leica lens! Glad that it isn't though lol need one of those Voigtlander lenses!

[@iangame7234]

Got it early on. The Leica seemed crisper to me. Great review and thanks for your efforts and presentation Karin.

[@FedThePoopy]

I have the nokton 35 1.4 and love it! There is just one thing that didn’t really show up that much in the review though. At wider open apertures the colors change pretty vastly for me, a lot of times I really like how this looks (also the bokeh gets swirly at 1.4) but it could be seen as an imperfection

[@KarinMajoka]

I honestly rarely use any lens wide open, which is why I did not really put this in the focus of the review - but that is in fact a good point! The Bokeh of the Nokton is a but more agitated and swirly, but the Bokeh on the Summicron is a bit more calm and smooth in my opinion. Imperfections are not always a bad thing. :)

[@JPWineberg]

As always, love your videos. I actually purchased the Nokton for my M6 based on research and the earlier video you mentioned. I haven't been disappointed. Do you ever discuss 50mm options? I'll have to look at your library of videos. Though I've been in the industry for over 35 years I am continuously surprised that people would tell other people how to use, or what gear they should be using. Shoot what you want, that fits your budget and serves your art.

[@KarinMajoka]

I would love to underline your last sentence several time! Word, I could not agree more! :) Glad to hear you are happy with the Nokton, it's a fantastic lens. So far, I have mainly shot 35mm lenses on the Leica and have tried out 28mm more recently. 50mm is not a focal length I use too often which is why I have not made any comparisons between lenses here.

[@kevintrudeau6145]

Give the Nokton 50 F1.5 II a go, honestly the best jack-of-all-trades 50, fast, super small, cheapish, well made, sharp, and extremely pleasant render.

[@derrenleepoole]

Nice comparison. Just by looking at the photos, I couldn't say which was shot on which lens. But I did work out who was shooting which lens quite early on in the video. I won't say how I knew, so as not to spoil it for other watchers. I owned the Nokton 35mm and it's a fantastic little performer.

[@KarinMajoka]

Haha, I know what you are referring to. I only noticed it later because we did not film everything from behind. I just hoped people would not pay too much attention ;) Thanks for your comment!

[@justinkingery7529]

Karin! Do a comp with the old V1 or V2 Summicron (Rigid or Dual Range) and the Nokton. I'd be curious to see how the old Summicron compares to your Nokton Classic.

[@alanjones3076]

Do a comparison for the summicron vs Voigtlander Ultron v2 35/2 please. The Ultron is better but would love to see if you still chose the Summicron for character. Thx

[@AlexanderBischof]

The Voigtländer 35mm f2 Ultron beats the Summicron 35mm f2 in image quality and is also sharper than the Nokton 35/1.4. Absolute recommendation.

[@robmitchell7355]

I was thinking that would be a better comparison

[@morespinach9832]

Sharper yes if that’s what you’re going for. If you want depth of field and natural rendering, more a classic look, then the f2 is not good enough. The 1.2, the 1.5…

[@armchairfm]

Do you have any recomendations about camera bag? TY

[@AllCarsUnited]

The fact that the voigtlander goes from a pro mist filter look to tack sharp adds a level of creative flexibility for night time photography with lights that some would not think about. Otherwise give me a sony body and a 35mm gmaster for sharpness. 😛

[@classic.cameras]

I have a Voightlander 35mm f1.4 Nokton Classic E on my Sony camera. I absolutely love it.

[@p-the-v2]

Thank you, great review. Any chance of adding a comparison of the Zeiss 35mm lens with these.

[@grainificent]

i liked your photos more. i use a voigtlander nokton 40mm 1.4 on my Leica CL and i know it gives a better contrast usually than the leica lenses :) i also love the build of the voigtlander lenses! 😃

[@akirsch76]

Leica lenses are super expensive, but from my experience, they hold their value well. I sold some Lenses after using them for years and got the same price for them. I also like that they are designed to be used fully opened. When you compare the Voigtländer f1.4 to the even more expensive Summilux, you will see a massive difference at f1.4. But I can also understand that not everyone can afford such lenses. I want to say that these lenses are not only crazy expensive but also great performers.

[@KarinMajoka]

I agree with that! :)

[@CianMcsweeney]

I think if you're really into Leica and know you'll use the system for a long time, having your most used lens be a Leica might be worthwhile, then use third parties for the rest of your focal lengths

[@AdamCzarnowski]

There's no point having a faster lens if it doesn't perform well wide-open. I only shoot Leica glass and prefer the subtle creamy fall-off and 'soft' sharpness. Highly recommend the 28 Elmarit prea(spherical) inexpensive (by Leica standards) and just jaw-dropping gorgeous.

[@z00w00zs]

My impression is that the differences aren't really big if you shoot film and mostly use medium apertures, like in street photography. I own the Nokton 35mm 1,4 (Version I though) myself and like the compactness and the image quality is mostly great. It has some annoying issues though, the distortion and vignetting can be nasty and wide open it is really soft, which makes not really a good option for low light. So I look for an upgrade, but the Leica 35mm lenses are definitely out of my price range 😕 Maybe the new Voigtländer Ultron 35mm 2,0 or the Zeiss Biogon? We'll see... Happy shooting, I would also like to see a video about your experiences with the M10 so far!

[@damiancanteros]

@13:29 center sharpness comparisson at f2 the Summicron looks worse. Am I blind? The Summicron is known for its heavy vignetting even at small apertures, so probably there are still some correction playing a role.

[@rexgigout1472]

Enjoy your Summicron! 🙂 I was unable to tell the differences between the two lenses, in the street photographs shown in your presentation. It does not suprise me that your side-by-side comparison images showed the Nokton to have more visible distortion, or that the Summicron has sharper corners. I have owned neither lens, but did quite much “homework” on 35mm lenses, in the past. I test-shot a new friend’s Voigtlander Nokton II MC, during a meeting at a coffee shop in a nearby city, earlier this year. (In return, he had the opportunity to try my M10, before he made a decision whether to buy a pre-owned M10-R from an on-line seller.) My initial impression of the Nokton was quite favorable! Cosina/Voigtlander makes excellent lenses. I already have several of them, for the Nikon F-mount and for Leica. My APO Lanthar 50mm Aspherical may is one of the most stunningly “perfect” lenses I have ever used. Ultimately, however, when I did buy a 35mm lens, this past summer, I opted for Leica, though a Summilux-M 35mm f/1.4 Steel Rim “Re-Edition” lens. This may well be the only Leica M lens I ever purchase new, rather than pre-owned, so, I am glad that it works well, for me. I already had the excellent, but large Zeiss Distagon 35mm f/1.4 ZM, with very modern optics, so, it made sense to buy the Leica 35mm M lens with a more-vintage character and compact size. I know that I will have to sell lenses, to compensate my budget, but feel that it will be worth it.

[@KarinMajoka]

Thank you, I am sure I will! :) That's true, some differences in the 101 comparison where kind of "expected" but it's still great to actually test it and not only trust what people are saying about these lenses. I had the chance to try out the re-released Summilux In Wetzlar on its release day and really enjoyed it for the short time I had it. A great lens to achieve great performance closed down, but really artsy, painterly quality shot wide open. Thanks for your comment!

[@ChrisLawrence]

Since moving from a digital Leica M setup to the MP (analog) paired with the 35mm Summicron v4, I've been wondering if it makes a noticeable difference with this vintage v4 rather vs a newer ASPH Summicron -- at least enough to justify the cost. Still not sure; is it primarily on digital you notice, etc. One thing though: the size. The compact size of the v4 can't be understated compared to heavier glass and what it's like to have it around your neck all day. Cheers and thanks for the review!

[@calebe16]

Instead of trying to guess the lens, I just chose my favorite images as if in a blind test. I got the Nokton. Seemed like it had more pop and vibrant colors. But both lenses are expensive and I would still try to get a feel for them before purchasing. It's not uncommon to love the results, but when I hold the camera I can already tell right away I'll hate carrying that.

[@Nick_r]

I choose the lens that gives the images I like the most. My three favourite lenses are 21mm Elmarit f2.8 ASPH, Nokton 35mm f1.4 classic MC II and Planar 50mm f2 ZM. I tried a variety and chose on image not price nor brand. I can’t be bothered with the Leica snobs, they are obviously more bothered about being big heads than their image quality :-)

[@josephlai1078]

Dear Karin, great video. Have you tried the Voigtlander 35mm Ultron F2? I am looking for a budget M mount lens. I simply can't justify spending almost 6000 for the Summilux as an amateur photographer.

[@britt5126]

The Lecia lens produces images with more contrast. Good or Bad?

[@stuartmeador8993]

always a good video... thanks... I elected to keep a Nokton 35 f/1.4 and an Ultron f/2. I like the slight darkened corners and slight softness in the corners on many photos, as well as the more contemporary sharp all over look for others.

[@KarinMajoka]

Thanks for your comment. :) That's so nice to hear! Because this is exactly what I mean: "Perfection" in a lens is not always good! Some people love the quirks and imperfections a lens has because it was character.

[@RecluseNotes]

Great video! What would you recommend like first 35mm lens for Leica M: Voigtländer Ultron Vintage Line 35mm f/2 Aspherical Type II or Zeiss C Biogon T* 35mm f/2.8 ZM Thank you

[@abdulsalambreish3413]

Does it also depend on whether you shoot film or digital? I’d imagine for film you would not necessarily want a super clinical modern Leica lens? I shoot on an M6 + f5.6 28.mm summaron - I love the vintage look it gives. I’m looking for a faster lens but wonder which of these two would suit film. For digital I guess the Leica hands down.

[@rakshithappaiahhs4186]

Great video. I usually like all your videos. This one included.....i still use my colour Skopar upto this day. Also at minute 2:38 - 2:40 gave away which lens you were using i believe. especially the lens hoods i think. nevertheless, personally i could not guess which was leica or voigtländer by only looking at the photos. waiting for the next video :)

[@KarinMajoka]

Thank you so much, I appreciate your comment. :) Yes that's true - if you pay attention closely, there were some clips where you could spot wither a square or round lens hood, which have it away in the end.

[@joseuribe430]

I figured that the images that were tack sharp were from the summicron. While the others weren't tack sharp. Not necessarily a bad thing if you want some character vs sterile images. I was looking at the corners of the image for sharpness. At least in my opinion that's how I was able to tell the difference. which do you prefer?

[@somegeezer]

I prefer the Nokton here. Not that they look hugely different. May be I just prefer the images you took this day.

[@ianforber]

Great video, as always. I only have 2 M lenses - a 50mm Leica Summicron and the latest CV 35mm Nokton f1.5 - so it’s impossible for me to compare the results of different types and manufacturers of lenses at those focal lengths. That said, I see no reason to buy anything other than the CV 35mm for that focal length. I shoot digital and mainly for a black &white final image so colour rendition is irrelevant. Personally, I can discern no practical difference in the “look” of a CV lens from a Leica or Zeiss - I must just be blind to it!

[@IntrovertAmateur]

cool video Karin! :) I'm curious if you can test the Summilux 35mm in the near future :) I recently sold my 50mm 1.4 Summilux ASPH, because I realised that at my current situation with 2 small kids I only shoot casually with the M system and therefore 2500€ sitting on the shelf collecting dust is something I didn't like. I settled for the Nokton 35mm 1.4 for now as my only M lens since it makes financially sense, but I have to admit, I miss the Summilux :..D Grüße aus BaWü :)

[@focusfranart8645]

Excellent video and thanks for providing Spanish subtitles in my case. Greetings.

[@zroeder]

Have you looked at the Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/2? I think it is extremely competitive against the Summicron. The Nokton 1.4 is great for the small size, character, and fast speed. The messy bokeh at low DOF can be polarizing. I enjoy it.

[@Johnny5tele]

This Voigtlander lens was the first I bought for my M11P, but I have bought a couple of Leica lenses since, the 50mm Summilux and the 28mm Elmarit. Suffice to say I never use the Voigtlander now.

[@Mr_Quimper]

As an owner of the Summicron 35mm. I personally feel one should use the lens that one feels gives them the look they want. I also use TTArtisan, Light Lens Lab and Thypoch lenses. I have the Voigtländer 21mm and 90mm Skopars on my to buy list.

[@Geronimo1104]

great video, good to know that you don't need a Leica lens if you want to begin with the M-System. thanks for your work.

[@KarinMajoka]

I guess that summary is very fitting that other lenses like Voigtländer lenses are a more than worthy option as well - thanks for your comment. :)

[@andrewf5390]

It was easy to tell, because the shape of the hoods was visible in the video that gave it away. That said, both look great.

[@dfiglide]

Another excellent real world comparison.

[@Shmooexe3440]

This is a very well informative video and a great comparison, especially for people wanting to decide which lens to go for, though i don't own a M6 nor Lecia i have a Bessa R with a Jupiter 50, i would love to see like a low end comparison between the Jupiter and the Voigtländer! amazing video thank you for the information

[@KarinMajoka]

Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it a lot! I wanted to try out Jupiter lenses for a while now, but somehow never got my hands on any of them. Maybe a project for the future

[@thomasgoetze]

I like in field tests. I'm not very interested in lens performance on the test booth. Colour fringing is a showstopper for me, vignetting isn't. I like vignettes, and if I ever want to get rid of it, Capture One will do the job. Also, the Nocton compares a lot more to the Leica 35 mm f1.4 Steel Rim. Compared to the Steel Rim, the Nocton performs much closer to the Leica than in this comparison. In some fields even better. For me, the Nocton 35 mm f1.4 II is the better choice, but I totally understand your decision. I will never change my Summicron 50 mm (Version IV) with any other lens. Some lenses are pure magic. Thank you for your honest comparison. I like the style of this video and will definitely look for further content on your channel.

[@willbaren]

I liked this comparison. Unfortunately at 04:46 we can see the side of your lens which kind of gives it away. The lens you shot with has warmer and more vivid colours that I associate with Zeiss lenses so I guessed that was the Voigtlaender. Cheers.

[@KarinMajoka]

That's true, I was hoping people would not pay that close attention 😬 It's really hard filming each other without showing the lens and not wanting to film everything only from behind. I totally agree, the Nokton is a bit more punchy on the film images.

[@_cyclofob8990]

Warum heißt Elmar wie die Bezeichnung einiger Leicaobjektive? Ich war zunächst irritiert. Wieso raten, wenn es da unterm Bild steht? Und war nicht vom Summicron die Rede?

[@CM_7]

I’m a bit late to comment … use the Voigtländer Ultron 1.7 35 mm, which is impressive in both sharpness and rendering. But I‘m still tempted by the Summicron V5 or 6, and trying to stay strong … 🎉

[@davidwoods80]

Karin, I now challenge you to try out some vintage LTM lenses on your M6, which are even less money than the Nokton. The Canon lenses are little jewels made with Japanese precision and are frequently compared to Leica's best from that era. They probably won't outperform your Summicron ASPH, but perhaps your audience might enjoy a review.

[@KarinMajoka]

I actually got a 50mm Canon LTM lens as a gift recently which works great. It has some fungus though so it wouldn't be a fair comparison - but it's a fun lens for sure!

[@JoeVettoriPhotography]

Hi, sorry fot off topic question: I've seen the TT art 28mm. Do you think that it is necessary to calibrate it, since I want to use it only with analog leica.. thank you

[@janromo9753]

Great vid! Thanks for sharing!

[@KarinMajoka]

Thanks for your comment! :)

[@rolandrickphotography]

That at 1:51 , well, not on KZbin, can you put a link in the description for downloading the raw files somewhere? 😄

[@theashen]

I have the Nokton and it’s really my favorite lens. It’s just so bright and beautiful

[@michalhudec9274]

Maybe you should also compare Ultron 2/35 VM II to both testes lenses. I am pretty sure you would be surprised, how the latest version of Ultron beats also Summicron lens, while wide open :)

[@IanJump]

I might be wrong but I feel like there is a slight color cast to the Nokton, the skin tones looked a little yellow-greenish on the film shots. The Summicron seemed more clinical in it's color rendition. With that being said, in this day and age it's almost nothing at all to slightly nudge a slider in lightroom to fix the difference. All and all I think I actually like the Nokton a bit better. I especially like the price a lot better. I just don't see the $2000 of extra value in the Summicron to make it worth it unless you are taking very technical photos in which case you probably wouldn't be using a range finder. Also, Leica owner spends $1500 on a camera and $2600 on a lens to only shot the cheapest budget film.(Just kidding😉)

[@zerixos]

I own and shoot the Nokton VM II a lot, and I felt that Elmar was getting different results than what I would have gotten so I figured he would be shooting the Leica. That being said it was just a guess, but pretty early saw I was right (Lens hood gave it away). What I didn't expect was the chromatic aberration of the Leica, it was a bit much for my liking and this video just showed me it probably wouldn't be worth the upgrade. I also thought the Nokton was a bit sharper in the centre (maybe because of the fringing) but yes the Leica is way better in the corners.
In the end, on film I probably wouldn’t see the difference in sharpness, but I would like to have less distortion and my Leica 50mm feels better than my Nokton, and when shooting film, with a Leica its a huge part of the experience. But, I just can’t justify the much higher price when the Nokton just seem really good as well so I probably stick to it for a little while longer. Thanks for the Video!

[@dylan.thissen]

I got a summicron 35 a few months ago and I really love it but I don’t like how expensive it is and I’m thinking of selling it for that reason alone. Also recently I tested out a Q3 and so something will have to go (summicron 35) but hopefully I can try out a nokton at some point Also I just wanted to state that in my opinion the chromatic aberration on the summicron is a benefit. I think it adds s really nice dimension to the images but I’m a fan of chromatic aberrations

[@KarinMajoka]

I totally get that, sometimes you have to shuffle some gear around to make room for something new. Interesting thought about the chromatic aberrations, seeing it as a strong point rather than weak point.

[@jensruckert4763]

Hmmm… like them both. Own them both ( version 1&2 of the Voigtlaender). Use them both. Strangely the voigtlaender V2 is on my M8 for B/W most of the time. The 35 2 is on my film Leicas or on the 240. But … the enlarged prints of shots taken with the 35 2 are breathtaking sometimes, by enlarged I mean poster size for exhibits or the wall at home with a size of 1.5 to 1 m or even bigger…

[@rafibenatar2519]

I own both of those lenses and couldn’t spot any difference at all. 👏👏👍🏻

[@1946gsp]

It looks like the Leica lens' settings were a bit off. Several images were overexposed. So I preferred the Voigtlander, based on correct exposure. Both lenses delivered color, contrast and clarity equally well. Good thing. I have all Voigtlander lenses on my M11.

[@bryanswisshelm941]

I spotted it in the first shot. I’d be interested to see a comparison with the Zeiss ZM lenses. They’re sharp but perhaps not as good as the Leica. Now I want a Summicron!! Darn it!

[@KarinMajoka]

What gave it away for you (other than the lens hood 😬)?

[@matewka]

From the first few photos my bet was on Karin using the Nokton. After a few more I was quite sure she does. Those photos just had much more of the orange tone (for me, subjectively, too much). One thing 3rd party lenses can't beat Leica lenses at is the colour reproduction. With Elmar's photos it was clear how more natural the colour reproduction is, even despite the "vintage" orange tone of the Kodak 200 film. Of course, a blind comparison is much easier if you know you're comparing 2 groups of photos made with just 2 lenses, than having a bucket of photos which are not labelled A / B and you have to guess each photo individually. My conclusion - I was considering buying Nokton as my 35mm lens (right now shooting with a 50mm Summicron) and I came here to validate whether Nokton is enough for my needs. The decision is I'm starting saving for a 35mm Summicron instead.

[@YohaneRockett]

In Münster läuten die Glocken 5:35 Also schönes Wetter zum fotografieren.😸

[@davidenpunktse]

Shooting with all kinds of lenses for my Leica M10 and M2 - no prestige at all. But I find myself always going back to the Leica 50mm Summilux ASPH. I know it’s on the high price spectrum, but it just creates magic. I think @benjhaisch captured why it’s so wonderful in one of his videos. It’s my forever lens.

[@ruepra6502]

I spottet correctly that Elmar used the Leica. But not due to the image quality but due to the different color look. To be honest not sure if I would have noticed the difference without direct comparison. For me Leice is more kind of "blueish" Voigtläner for appears with more orange / red.

[@danielabrahamsson5769]

Plot twist; You both shot on your Voightländers and in the next video you call out the Lecia experts! 😮😅

[@KarinMajoka]

Hahahaha, genius idea, I should do something like this for April's fools next year 😂

[@pipinfresh]

I didn't guess right but I preferred the Nokton in the blind test and assumed it was the Leica, so I was pleasantly surprised.

[@willjw93]

I own the Leica 28mm f2 summicron and the voigtlander 28mm f2 voigtlander. is the leica better? yes. is it work 4-5x the amount? (second hand). No. BUT if you buy on the second hand market you are unlikely to lose money unless you lose or damage the lens. I also own the 35mm f2 summicron and the 7artisans 35mm f2. the leica is leagues ahead but the 7artisans is so mega and the colour and image rendering is so nice... also Steve mccurry-esk on occasion. I still shoot it even though I have the leica. Considering the voigtlander 35mm f1.5 for that close focusing and shallow DOF.

[@LeeD345]

Waiting for the summilux switch video keep the gas going 🎉

[@GamachePhoto]

Nice comparison… maybe now compare the Cron to the VM Ultron II.

[@KarinMajoka]

This probably won't happen. Had the Ultron for one day and returned it back to the store the next day because I did not like it at all.

[@critao23]

Awesome video & comparison! I think if you want unique character go voigtlander, if you want clinical rendering go leica. Both great options. I would love to see a comparison between the Voigtlander 35mm f2 ll full brass body against the Leica 35mm f2. That might be a bit of a more “equal” comparison. I loooooove my Voigtlander 35mm f2 ll it has so much character.

[@KarinMajoka]

Thank you, I appreciate it! Yes, that sums it up really nicely. :) Do you mean the Voigtländer Ultron? I guess that won't happen haha. I actually had the lens for one day but did not like it at all and gave it back to the shop the next day.

[@critao23]

@@KarinMajoka yes the ultron. Interesting 🤔 Why didn’t like it?

[@KarinMajoka]

@@critao23 Mainly two reasons: Minimum focusing distance of 0.58m was really irritating to me and did interfere with my muscle memory. And the distance scale on the lens was so shallow and very badly visible that it simply did not work for me. Technically it might be an awesome lens and I heard it's incredibly sharp - but user experience is one of the most important elements in a lens for me.

[@critao23]

@@KarinMajoka That makes complete sense using a rangefinder, I use this lens with my M bodies and i can understand how it can be irritating. Very valid complaints. Although i have learned how to use the minimum focus distance of .5 on my M bodies when taking my time. Can be a Hit and miss sometimes it’s not quite a science lol. But i also use it with my SL and Fujifilm X mirrorless systems so that isn’t so much of a concern, if anything a benefit so i can get real close and tight when wanted. And yes this lens is surgically sharp, gives you that beautiful vintage-ish Bokeh as well. Keep up the great content 🙏🏻

[@StefanBeyer]

Nice video and great work on the comparison! However, I feel you have tested the wrong lens 😉. This particular Voigtländer lens deliberately aims to be a character lens by copying the design of the first Summilux from the 1960's. The Summicron you tested is older by is meant to be as clinical as possible.Voigtläder has the excellent 35mm Nokton F1.5, which uses aspherical elements and is a modern lens. There is also the Ultron F2, which woudkl be a good Summicron equivalent and the APO Lanthar, which is meant to compete with the APO Summincron, but is still much cheaper than the normal Summicron. All these would make a better alternative for the Summicron IMO. The lens you tested could be seen as an alternative to one of the Leica vintage reissues. Having said that, I feel that any of the 35mm Voigtländers are great alternatives to Leica's own offerings. I am a big proponent of them. I can not see a difference between a 1,000 USD Voigländer lens and a almost 5k USD Leica equivalent in normal use, i.e. not the typical contrived test scenarios (like brick walls).

[@KarinMajoka]

You know, I don't compare lenses that would be great to compare in theory, but I compare lenses that would be great to compare in practise ;) I simply compare these two because this is truly how my evolution of lenses happened: I switched from the Nokton to the Summicron so it makes senses for me to compare the two, even though they might not be equivalent "on paper". I totally see your point though and get where you this idea is coming from, so thanks for bringing the suggestion in! :) Also, in practise I know that the Nokton 35mm 1.4 is one of the most popular lenses for people who get their first 35mm lens for the Leica M system. And for many it's a question that occurs if they should "upgrade" to a Leica lens or not, so this is a scenario that happens regularly (and that I get questions about regularly). By the way: I had the Ultron for one day and brought it back to the store more or less immediately because I did not like it at all. The comparison would therefore be over at that point for me already haha :D Well, I guess that just proves how subjective things are

[@StefanBeyer]

@@KarinMajoka Yes, good point about the 1.4 being a very popular first lens choice (due to it being relatively cheap, I assume). I agree, it's a good comparison. Just thought I should point out that there are alternatives that are maybe more comparable (in terms of intended performance). To be completely honest, in my daily use, the feel of a lens (focus throw, smoothness of focus ring, ease of changing aperture, the thing not covering half the viewfinder) is much more important than all this rendering and performance stuff.