Is Mannie Fresh's take on roles in the studio outdated? - New Old Heads

[@DojoOfCool]

You guys are getting on topics that make me have pull the old man card.... Back in my day I had to walk in snow a hundred feet deep to get to the liquor store. So I got my first job in a recording studio back in the 1970's, then around 2006 I got into the DAW world, just doing audio editing. Now in 2024 an old retired guy decide to get back into recording for fun and my head is spinning on how different the roles are today. Back in the 70's everything analog and computers were something huge corporations had. I was basically "the guy" at the studio breaking down sessions, cleaning control room (and cleaning everything else too), make coffee and run errands. Today I get that is the runner. The goal was to work up to being a 2nd Engineer, today that would be a Assistant Engineer. A Engineer did the tracking and the mixing and would go to the vinyl Master session to approve everything. Producers most could engineer and some did both jobs, but producer worked with artist on song selection, basic arrangement, hiring musicians, overdubs, editing, mixing, translator between artist/musicians and the engineer, and producers most had great ears so they were the autotune of the day telling singer your off. Good producers worked a lot with the artist/group before ever stepping foot in the studio getting the arrangements down, getting the song down to target time, solos, vocals and etc. Because studio time was expensive and the better prepared the artist was the less time in the studio was needed. Also editing tape was very different so if a artist/group could play the song front to back in a take it had a better feel and flow, than today cut and paste assembling a song. So for me it really interesting listening to you all and other KZbinrs on recording today and thinking back how different it was.

[@HitzdropBeats]

They are on decent topics but their takes are horrible ! To say that today's system is working is a volunteered lie from the pits of hell lol ! We can't even remember half the shit that these artist are putting out ! They're so focused on quantity till they have no clue what quality is ! Mannie on the other hand doesn't have to work another day in his life and the same system he put in place is still working ! Even the Bible say's the student will never be as high as the teacher People really need to learn respect and how to listen to people who influenced a entire generation

[@BringingDownTheBand]

​@@HitzdropBeatsIt's almost like you don't know what a nuanced conversation is. Nobody said it's 100 either way. It's a discussion. And further, half of the panel has far more experience than anybody disagreeing. Some of y'all just wanna disagree to disagree.

[@Ru5hMusic]

The process that Mannie describes is how hits are made.. hands down

[@BringingDownTheBand]

*were. That's an important distinction here and generally the premise of the entire discussion.

[@SimonPhoenix3]

@@BringingDownTheBandthe hits made the way he describes last longer, become actual catalog

[@BringingDownTheBand]

@@SimonPhoenix3 There's no data to prove that.

[@biggmixxo]

​@@BringingDownTheBandyes it is, ask the people. Y do u think the songs now r microwave music?😮 keep living

[@BringingDownTheBand]

@@biggmixxo Not all the songs are "microwavable" in the slightest. We've literally built a brand off the opposite being true. 😅

[@williamphillips3035]

There are beatmakers and there are producers, Mannie Fresh is a producer.

[@justmeblac7273]

Not really

[@lee_drifting]

he guides artists on how to sound on a record. he did that with juvie. hes a producer

[@mont-doggBeats]

I think what he may also be referring to is some of the current artists will ask producers “can you make a beat that sounds like this “ basically wanting them to mimic another producer..thats a no no..if you want that exact specific sound you should reach out to that producer

[@prezidentjeff]

^^^That is so prevalent nowadays, its crazy

[@mont-doggBeats]

@ I’ve never seen an era full of such copycat energy. Thats essentially Pop music energy..Pop music is basically designed to have a bunch of artists copy cat a cut and paste formula of music for top 40 billboard

[@ProducerTagPodcast]

THIS!!!!!

[@ATMFX-uv3ox]

I agree i hate that I like to be authentic with mine and stand out from what others doing

[@zshakur]

DJ Premiere ONLY works face to face. And ONLY makes a beat for an Emcee on the spot. Some cats have a work flow preference. Gotta' respect it. 🙂

[@blackliquidtv1579]

Not true

[@leezydagod2507]

what Manny is really saying is... having an ear for hits isn't a solo thing. to create magic your ego has to leave the room. Dr. Dre's worked with everyone who says the same thing. If you hire an a-list producer to produce the record (not just make the beat), then you make sure your writing is right and let him produce the record fully.

[@beatzbysipsum]

More albums are classic/no skips in the pre-digital era vs digital era. Seems like his formula might be better

[@VENGEFULHEXX]

Agreed

[@creativeclectic]

Albums made back then had an entire theme to the album and flow to the project from collaborating during the entire project with the producers. I think when beats get mailed and there's no working in the studio, it just sounds like a patched together album and you get skip songs.

[@beatzbysipsum]

@creativeclectic big facts

[@kenzoblytheproducertv4934]

Bg said Mannie was washed up and the beats he sent him was trash. To talk about the producer that gave you a sound and hits is crazy work.

[@DaMixWizard]

Mannie Fresh needs to get back with Barewolf- his keyboard player, and Corey Stoot aka Funky Fingers - his guitar and bass player. Barewolf said he was the one coming up with those keyboard melodies and layers you heard on the Big Tymers' albums "How Do U Luv That", Juvenile albums- 400 Degreez, The G-Code, BG albums, etc. I'm sure yall noticed after 2001-2002, the Cash Money sound had changed up. That's because Barewolf and Corey Stoot had left. You didn't hear that funk sound from 1997-2001 when Mannie Fresh was dropping classic albums. Listen to Mannie Fresh's album "The Mind of Mannie Fresh. It doesn't sound like those 1998-2000 albums. It was an ok album👎🏽😢. That's because his 2 main musicians were gone. People say Mannie Fresh fell off or he's washed up. It's not that, it's because his main players are gone

[@kenzoblytheproducertv4934]

@ I agree with that.

[@cardpuller17]

​@DaMixWizard if he can't do it well without them, then that means he's washed up.

[@kenzoblytheproducertv4934]

@ 😂😂😂

[@kenzoblytheproducertv4934]

@@cardpuller17 😂😂😂

[@totalyfakenews]

Outdated he said you need to be in the studio working together or you don't capture the magic . He is 100% correct .

[@peter83north]

Whoever wrote this thumbnail must never have heard BG checkmate album, fuck a drum roll, that shit is timeless

[@Amazinbeats]

I see exactly where mannie is coming from and this how me and my artist. We respect our lanes. I don’t write lyrics they don’t make beats. But but I’m always coming hot with beats so the artist I work with ready to go. we come together where it’s needed just hard to explain

[@JamesGreggReavesOfficial]

Yall missing the point. The point is that there is a disconnect. Mannie is absolutely right. There are no great albums that are made without the producers and artists being in the same room. Beat makers send beats and producers sees the project through to the finish.

[@BringingDownTheBand]

There are plenty of great albums made without them in the same room.

[@slay.lawson]

@@BringingDownTheBand plenty might be a stretch but there are a few that comes to mind. Most are hybrid though where some beats are sent in and the rest locked in.

[@BABYT]

The perfect example of this is shown all over RHYTHM & FLOW S2. None of those artists (including the person who won) could take direction in or outside of the studio. Artists of today know how to pick a beat from KZbin and start rapping, which means the art of collaboration has been lost due to this. Just my thoughts

[@DomeStik-he2gn]

I feel like its a blessing that generations can link like the producers and beat makers of hip hop. Dang cus the rappers are dying or just jammed up.

[@Topsey2000]

I'm not a musician but since Mannie has had so much success that he now wants to slow down the production process + put out more quality than quantity

[@matthewcummings6593]

Depends on the Artist and producer but he has a point has a better outcome for sure together but artist and producers do much work now days

[@emanuelandrewsiii4160]

3:10 Spot on, brother.

[@MikeMadgeVenue]

Dont forget mannie also is a rapper so we can't separate him from that and a producer's job is mainly the beats but there's more that comes with it

[@marcusx3605]

Depends on what you doing. If you just trying to throw some music out then sending beats is cool. If you are in album mode you should want to lock in more

[@MurphMagic1]

There is no wrong or right way to do it……if the songs come out fire that’s all that matters. Especially if you’re locking in with one artist, because u know each other. U don’t always have to be in the room together for the chemistry and magic to happen.

[@thomasmatthews8873]

I can easily email a track but that doesn't accomplish anything. What works is when the emcee or singer is in the lab with me to capture that moment.

[@ProducerTagPodcast]

a lot of artist like to focus on end result in the pre production stage. or demand klc production on a mannie fresh beat.. then it becomes why didnt u call klc? many dont understand the assignment and keep up confusion trying be the artist,the ceo,the engineer,the weedman,the background singer,the producer etc..

[@HitzdropBeats]

I totally agree with Mannie ! Hence the reason the music out today is trash !! Just because someone likes it doesn't make it good! Just look at the sales ! Yes you have small niches of music that make noise but when it's time to look at the numbers , they are trash and none of the music has staying power hence the reason in one year we don't remember none of the songs that were put out from the previous year ! The mentality is the issue ! To even try to refute anything Mannie just said is ridiculous ! Here you have a legend that still making money and currently on stage at sold out shows off music he created over 20 years ago versus people who are saying the system now is working ! Denial is a hell of a drug !

[@tysonjordanjackson5826]

It's Mannie Fresh. Your editor needs an editor.

[@YoungTito-u6n]

It's called a correct sentence

[@ProducerTagPodcast]

also it eliminates miscommunication and time wasting..

[@mbb3817]

There is no singular way to create or to extract the most from any particular artist/producer. Although I choose to create in the way the Mannie creates I do not feel that this is the best/worst way to create. It just suits me and my workflow. Jake One makes great music with Rick Ross but never works in the studio with him.

[@BringingDownTheBand]

Exactly, there are plenty of examples of both ways working depending on creative preferences.

[@iThinkWeGotIt]

Old heads hate technology. How many hit songs were made from sending beats through email?? Everybody process is different.

[@mont-doggBeats]

Email was around with us “old heads “ that is our generation’s technology but as he said it wasn’t always feasible do to bandwidth file size limitations . And You still gonna have to be in some kind of studio to record your vocals and have input on how your Music is mixed if you want quality and cohesive professional sounding music..even if its just your buddies home studio. Whether that producer can also wear a recording engineer hat or if it’s a guy who is a recording engineer

[@iThinkWeGotIt]

@ agreed

[@apexone5502]

It's not an "old head hate technology" thing. The Foreign Exchange (Phonte and Nicolay) literally created their first album by sending stuff via emails and such since Nicolay was still in The Netherlands at the time while Phonte was in North Carolina. That album dropped in 2004. Mannie has a preference for working with the artist in person. That's all it is. That has nothing to do with being a luddite.

[@creativeclectic]

you said hot songs... Say hot albums... There's only a handful of albums made in the "Email me the beat/verse" era that you can make it through without skipping. biggie Ready to Die, is an album with 0 skips. It's also a generational difference of how we intake music/content/anything. Younger kids just want a song and move to another song. Older people grew up listening to entire albums and grew up having listening sessions.

[@ksirdidthatbeat5569]

I bet the same people would take direction from Zaytoven, or Metro they probably not gonna tell them what to add to a track

[@mossomstylz]

Hit music as we know it is over, everyone knows everything nowadays, but can prove nothing, it was fun while it lasted.

[@Bingoatl]

Example : Dr. Dre & Snoop........ Manny already knew that the HotBoyz could go

[@raphael9783]

What I'ma say is if you rap and you want a song with a LEGENDARY producer, get to the spot. Timbaland doesn't need you. Pharrell doesn't need you. Mannie don't need you. You need them. I don't know who these 3 are, which says a lot. But if they don't have no plaqs, if they ain't sold millions of records, then who are they to speak on what mannie does at all.

[@BringingDownTheBand]

The same could be said about YOUR comment.

[@viewsfromthe4]

These dudes sound dumb at the end man fresh made juvenile rewrite back that ass up two or three times because he didn’t think he came hard enough. But a real cash money and would know that because they told the story millions of times, but these dudes just taking clips and reacting to them without doing research on the actual person. Do I need to start a podcast too?

[@BringingDownTheBand]

Mans has never heard of jokes before.

[@viewsfromthe4]

@@BringingDownTheBand I apologize for hurting your feelings with the truth

[@BringingDownTheBand]

​@@viewsfromthe4 Hope you find the therapy you need.

[@HoodHandyman]

These guys think they are over smart. Those guys someone should have told them to write better lyrics. I tuned out after that.😊

[@BringingDownTheBand]

Might want to make sense with your sentences if you're doing to be critical or something being smart. 😅

[@timjackson549]

When pro tools came onto the scene.....the rest is history

[@justmeblac7273]

If I pay you for a beat you do what I ask

[@thablackkat9905]

SPELL HIS NAME CORRECTLY IF YOU ACTUALLY RESPECT HIM!

[@YoungTito-u6n]

It's called a correct sentence