Is Mihawk's Title Meaningless Now? | Morj Response Video

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Other title: The Truth Behind The World's Strongest Swordsman

[@LethalPlayers]

Seeing the discourse around who and who is not a swordsman will always crack me up. In all of the media I have consumed, I have never seen people be so anal about what a swordsman is; even though we see Oda label certain swordsmen yet people refuse to accept this. Agenda causes people to reach and twist their logic to nonsensical degrees.

[@amarti9]

The thing is the shanks and Sanji stans are trying to do mental gymnastics to keep their guys on top. Any show or announcements that elevate either mihawk or Zoro is met with pushback because of what it means. And that is the gap between Zoro and Sanji is starting to get wider. The gap between shanks and mihawk has basically been closed.

[@mightguy3118]

@@amarti9 On god. Zoro = sanji is pure bias. Zoro has feats, haki, portrayal and narrative over Sanji. Yet people still call them equal and run with it

[@kadeemcalbert6235]

Even after oda confirms that shanks is weaker than mihawk in every sense the shanks fanboys will still try to deny it. They will come up with some sort of coping mechanism

[@mightguy3118]

@@kadeemcalbert6235 Shanks could flat out say mihawk is stronger than him and the fanboys will say "he means mihawk is Only stronger in skill 🤓"

[@animegod772]

@@kadeemcalbert6235 when was it confirmed shanks is weaker it was said that Mohawk have better swordsmanship then red hair .

[@GioHimonPro]

Mihawk gave Zoro a promise as well. He said he will stay on top till Zoro gets strong enough to take his title. Nusjuro, Garling and whatever character comes next with a sword wont change anything. Shanks is a closed case for me.

[@RoyNewgate]

Yup. Mihawk's promise is just as important as Zoro's

[@Sin05269]

I don't think there's a huge gap though. I do think Mihawk has a slight edge in a 1v1, but I also think Shanks is basically the conqueror's king. Not by much, and not enough to make him the superior swordsman, but the difference is there. Another thing to note is that Shanks is the more dangerous person overall because he has ambition. He has life goals, connections, and influence. Mihawk is mostly docile. He doesn't have anything to do but wait, and his goal of making sure Zoro surpasses him is not a grand one. It will not shake the world as much because it is a 1v1 rivalry, and not a direct challenge to the status quo.

[@Sin05269]

I also think there's potential that someone in the WG is better, but they've never had a huge public display of that power in the history of the one piece world. Their power is secret, or undocumented at least. The world doesn't know because they've never openly proven their strength. The world at the moment is shackled by the WG. For a long time that was the case for even Dracule Mihawk. He was a Warlord, and thus could not live in peace with the current power-structure in place. He was strong, but not so strong as to be unbound the WG's authority. Zoro could reach that pinnacle of strength, and become unbound and unshackled by that authority whereas Mihawk could not. What better way to demonstrate than by taking down the true strongest among the ranks of the government and the Celestial Dragons? Is there someone at the top that even Mihawk could not challenge, yet Zoro will? Not Imu obviously, but maybe Garling or a Gorosei member?

[@jayg.2066]

@@Sin05269 There will be stronger characters that pop up but there is almost zero chance Mihawk will officially lose his title and Zoro will shift his goal from beating Mihawk and becoming the worlds greatest swordsman to someone else. Even if there is a more powerful swordsman, after Zoro beats Mihawk Zoro will still have the title and his goal would've been fulfilled. For him it's just gonna be another challenge. Everything Zoro has done since East Blue has been to surpass Mihawk and only Mihawk so Mihawk would've still been his biggest challenge he had to overcome.

[@21mahwanfaqih88]

​@@Sin05269​ But the fact even the world goverment officially recognizes mihawk as the WSS

[@meunomenaoethiago284]

Finally someone actually comprehends how narrative ACTUALLY works

[@CoolAsianGuy]

You do?

[@sekai2982]

​@@CoolAsianGuy prob not

[@victorkaranja1420]

​​@@sekai2982bf what is there to understand? It's as simple as zoros dream is to become the worlds greatest swordsman, to do that he needs to beat mihawk, if mihawk isn't the worlds greatest then that invalidates zoros entire journey so it does NEED to be mihawk, is it deeper than that?

[@sekai2982]

@Victor Karanja that's not even what I implied? And considering that in-verse no one knows the existence of figarlands there's a possibility he could be equal to mihawk or his son could (not shanks)

[@victorkaranja1420]

@@sekai2982 what did you imply?

[@deathlessstrike]

Kaido's title wasn't really explained in this vid but it also doesn't discredit Mihawk. Whenever the narrator talked about Kaido's title he said, ”They say” one on one bet on Kaido and ”He is said to be" the strongest creature among all living things. The narrator is basically saying people perceive him to be the strongest but never actually plain out said he was the strongest, like the narrator and the story has told us for Mihawk.

[@RoyNewgate]

Yesh I meant to add all those details in but forgot. But the fact that even the world government officially recognizes Mihawk as the WSS and just refers to kaido as the king of the beasts speaks volume

[@vaiyt]

I mean... Have people read the same wano as me? Kaido fought multiple rounds with several groups of people and basically killed Luffy twice before things began to get even.

[@InTheKitchenWristStirFry]

Kaido was the strongest, everything he did in wano shows

[@avalac7412]

@@InTheKitchenWristStirFrypretty much kaidou, gear 5th luffy and bigmom are the strongest characters in the verse atm still until someone shows better feats than them in a prolonged battle

[@muchoyurdem5260]

​@@avalac7412You don't think Shanks showed better Haki feats than the ones you mentioned? And also has a crazy Haki statement. But sure in a prolonged fight i agree with you. They showed the best feats

[@relife3348]

Unless Oda says Mihawk is not the strongest there is no evidence that he isn't the strongest swordsman.

[@exuuuuuuu]

it's literally that simple yet Shankstards have to complicate things

[@idothingssometimes456]

I don’t think zoro will fight a swordsman stronger than Mihawk but I also don’t think zoro vs Mihawk is the last fight in the series. Im just hoping it starts to becoming more clear how Mihawk fits into the final part of the series. I don’t want it to be just put on the end of series after the final war and everything. I would rather their battle to be very important during the final war. That’s just my opinion though, I just think it would be a lot cooler that way lol.

[@jaredbowen3527]

I actually would heavily prefer them to fight after the final war and everyone ends, I basically assumed it to be that way until only a few months. Just because if Zoro beats him before or during the final war it kind of makes Mihawk not as strong as i thought he was.

[@nathanwelling8948]

@@jaredbowen3527 Or he dogwalks everyone after Mihawk and they just have abilities that he has to figure out a way around.

[@BramoStork]

Finally someone else wrote this 🙌

[@trafalgard.waterlaw7330]

Mihawk isn't in the final series of the show, that's the problem. Mihawks story is done. And has been for awhile. It really seems like more of a "I can't lose my favorite character" than a story.

[@nathanwelling8948]

@@trafalgard.waterlaw7330 How is story done when barely anything is known? We'll likely learn a lot about sword grades and black blades when the story starts really picking up for Cross Guild.

[@tercial]

The Mihawk disrespect has to stop. This is all because Shanks is more popular and can't admit Mihawk is stronger

[@RoyNewgate]

For sure. Often times within the community it's easier to favor who you think is cooler for powerscaling debates.

[@deathlessstrike]

Just think about it, if Mihawk didn't exist would the concept of Shanks not being a swordsman every be discussed or even cross someone's mind?

[@mightguy3118]

On god. If mihawk wasn't the world's strongest swordsman Nobody would say shanks isn't a swordman.

[@cheapthrills8963]

yes 😂 Oda himself said "shanks has a sword called gryphon,but how does he really fight" it'll take a blind man or a bias man to not see that Oda is setting shanks up to have a crazy haki movement he can already kill other peoppes observation haki which no other character has ever done

[@tercial]

Exactly this all happened because Shanks fanboys don't want someone to be deemed stronger than him which is where all the Mihawk slander began

[@mightguy3118]

@@cheapthrills8963 shanks is stated a swordman is sbs and volume red

[@avalac7412]

@@cheapthrills8963it’s just oda jebaiting people saying is shanks a swordsman or is he 😂 he clearly is, you don’t have a named sword and not be a swordsmen, are considered a rival of the world strongest swordsman and your most legendary accolade being dueling with Mihawk. Shanks was pretty the representation of roger, Rayleigh and maybe oden’s teachings as they probably each had a hand at one point in giving him lessons with the blade

[@gucciusmaximusi5099]

I love how people try and say Luffys dream of being the most free man in the sea also applies to the holy land but Zoros dream of becoming the strongest so that his name reaches the heavens doesn’t . Saying Kaidos title doesn’t apply is FUCKING INSANE

[@roselelouch3038]

100% agree Zoro whole character journey is to become the worlds strongest swordsmans and Mihawk is the man he will defeat to achieve that title it’s that simple and I do think it will be his last fight I actually think it might take place after the final war all together.

[@user-rr1no1yn4i]

Nope, his goal is to become the wss so he can help luffy achieve his goal

[@roselelouch3038]

@@user-rr1no1yn4i okay and when will Zoro consider himself the WSS?

[@user-rr1no1yn4i]

@@roselelouch3038 when he beat Mihawk ofcurse

[@roselelouch3038]

@@user-rr1no1yn4i yeah u get it just semantics I left out how he wants to achieve this for Luffy but your 100% correct abt that

[@muchoyurdem5260]

​​@@user-rr1no1yn4iis goal was already world strongest sowrdsman BEFORE he met Luffy. You remember why he even got that goal? There was a little girl named Kuina, check backstory 😂

[@Kidkinsey]

W video; the community's mihawk discourse is insane😭

[@Sworn981]

exactly

[@nathanwelling8948]

There are still people who think Mihawk was actively trying to kill Luffy. Like seriously? Zoro in Dressrosa would absolutely destroy pre time skip Luffy.

[@mightguy3118]

@@nathanwelling8948 If they think bro can't even kill pre timeskip Luffy then current Zoro should be no diffing Mihawk 💀

[@nathanwelling8948]

@@mightguy3118 Which of course will not happen. Oda will no doubt make Mihawk Zoro's biggest challenge. It'll likely be he beats Mihawk and then he walks all over every opponent after him just like he did Pica.

[@mightguy3118]

@@nathanwelling8948 i was just debating with someone over mihawk vs shanks who said current Zoro > mihawk lmao

[@monkeydspider8203]

Shanks only purpose was to give strawhat and then gets defeated by BB 😂. Mihawk is downplayed only by Shanks stans because they can't accept Shanks is no 2 hence creating false things. Mihawk has no scars from battle. Zoro called him more inhuman than a inhuman. If Mihawk wasn't top dawg in haki or haki wasn't related to sword fights he wouldn't teach Zoro haki. Mihawk is now going to be engaged in story due to BB. And I think holy Knights are gonna be spread in Revs,Cross Guild and Strawhats where BB and Shanks gonna engage each other

[@RoyNewgate]

Yeah honestly it shouldn't be an issue for Shanks to be weaker then just one person

[@heroricspiritfreinen38]

Reminder guys: if shanks was called the WSS then this debate would not exist, it literally just exists because people (including morj) want Shanks to be stronger than mihawk

[@leronwatkins3164]

Nah it’s still a debate because shanks has actually showed good feats

[@RoyNewgate]

@@leronwatkins3164 I think statements and narrative together hold more weight then feats. Feats can be subjective but concrete and established plot points aren't

[@travisealy3512]

Morj literally said in his video Mihawk won the duel cause he has the title and in a sword fight he always wins 😂😂😂

[@RoyNewgate]

@@travisealy3512 1 + 1 = 2 type stuff lol

[@spiritualliving8318]

@@RoyNewgate scaling involves correctly balancing narrative + portrayal + feats, if you take one out of the equation the scaling will be off and incorrect. Ppl don’t know how to scale that’s why they have shanks over Mihawk.

[@tannermarkland5214]

i don’t understand the ‘titles are meaningless’ thing considering all the titles were true. Whitebeard WAS the strongest man, he just got old like everyone does. Kaido WAS the strongest thing, he beat Luffy like 3 times, beat the red scabbards, took on Luffy with some of the strongest the worst generation has to offer, still beat luffy AGAIN after all that. Yes eventually Luffy beat him, but Luffy wouldve never gotten ‘stronger’😉☁️☀️, if it wasn’t for the strongest beast Kaido kicking his ass and helping him unlock that. why on earth would mihawk be a fraud if he’s essentially Zoros end goal, Oda wouldn’t build up a mysterious character like Mihawk to be Zoros goal, if he was a fraud.

[@mightguy3118]

I'm a believer of mihawk > shanks but I can't lie and say his portrayal and feats are backing it up. Oda needa to do something with Mihawk and give him some hype feat. And a actual feat, not some statement. Because all we have for him is a controversial title and his feats Against vista, jozu, pre timeskip Luffy, and crocodile 😭

[@yutaoGOATsu236]

fr mihawk gotta one shot the seraphim that they sent for crossguild if he strugges the tiniest bit its over for him

[@mightguy3118]

​@@yutaoGOATsu236 It would've been hype if law somehow fought mihawk and got one shot.

[@yutaoGOATsu236]

@@mightguy3118 that would have been a nice parallel to shanks as well cause he one shot kid

[@mightguy3118]

​@@yutaoGOATsu236 But yea if Mihawk fights and even remotely tries and struggles against anyone under admiral tier at that point it's over.

[@yutaoGOATsu236]

@@mightguy3118 i dont think the seraphim are admrial lvl but oda has been hyping up there strength ever since we seen them like the first time we see them s hawk is pushing blackbeard and now on egghead even with cp0 and the strawhats teaming they struggling i hope the reason oda been hyping them up is to give mihawk a good feat

[@CameronkAK]

My biggest problem with this debate is that the characters in one piece don’t question if Mihawk is the strongest swordsman. There is little reason to believe that Mihawk named himself the strongest since we know the world wouldn’t accept it if suddenly Doflamingo called himself the World’s strongest. Especially after Marineford with Shanks literally showing up. People downplay Mihawk in marineford but Mihawk literally had all the top tiers watching him when he did a no name strike. Fair literally had a sweat bead and Jozu can be argued to be the most durable in one piece since he is made of the hardest material.

[@mightguy3118]

Facts. Also it would make zero sense based on Mihawks character. He is very prideful and honorable. He wouldn't have the world believing he's the strongest when in actuality he isn't. He truly sits at the top of swordman

[@1ight2]

​​@@mightguy3118so prideful that he didnt one shot everyone in marineford with full strength. He has his standards when fighting. Mfs with 0 brain cant comprehend this. Why would you shoot a rabbit with a cannon.

[@mightguy3118]

@@1ight2 On god. He already didn't wanna be at MarineFord and only puts in as much force as needed

[@1ight2]

@@mightguy3118 also Mihawk is a swordsman more than a pirate. Like any swordsman in fiction, Mihawk's only goal is to be the best swordsman there is, which means proper duels and self defense are the only fights he takes seriously.

[@haterreaction6368]

The only thing I could see happening if Mihawk is not the strongest swordsman is that the same phrase he told to Zoro apply to him, something on the line like he doesn't see all that world has to offer, meaning that Mihawk never knew about the holy knights, but is something strange because Dragon and Iva know that they exist.

[@ReeseChloris1]

One Piece: look at this guy. he looks quite intimidating huh? and look he has a swo- One Piece fans: OH MY GOD! MIHAWK IS A TOTAL SHAM! THIS GUY IS CLEARLY THE GREATEST SWORDSMAN IN THE WORLD! seriously. this happened with Oda And Saint Figarland. Figarland literally hasn't done anything accept sentence a celestial dragon to death and thats only because he has the title too. And Oda lost a sword fight to Roger easily AND is also...hold on I am forgetting the word. its not that important but still....oh yea DEAD! mihawk is the strongest.

[@bricedbeginner]

The way I generally see it with significant op characters who are stated or implied to be powerful is that the longer it takes for us to see them in a serious conflict the likelier it is for them to be top tier (dragon, mihawk, maybe gorosei and imu)

[@RoyNewgate]

yeah that's the crazy part. There's no deadline for feats, it just matters that they eventually take place, and the more Oda is hiding someone's power the more impactful their showings are going to be.

[@tercial]

Yeah look at Garp too it's a matter of time before Dragon and Mihawk show something

[@tercial]

@@RoyNewgate exactly he let Shanks show gears before Mihawk showed his

[@bricedbeginner]

@@RoyNewgate which is exactly why I never take these "fraud" allegations serious. People at some point also expected shanks to be a fraud until he did what he did with greenbul and especially kidd... sooo I am basically only waiting for them to say "mihawk over shanks" or " mihawk top 1" once he does anything ridiculous combat wise🤣🤣

[@bricedbeginner]

@@tercial and the more zoro shows the crazier mihawk needs to be, sooooo yeah he is going to do something crazy

[@yutaoGOATsu236]

what im confused about is if shanks is stronger than mihawk why doesn't he have the wss title they had very famous and public duels everyone heard about yet in the end mihawk is the one who walked away with the title and is also considered to be more skilled than shanks although shanks said they havent settled their duel from all the information we have it sounds like mihawk preformed better and to go even further after the duels shanks lost his arm and after that mihawk doesn't even consider shanks a worthy rival anymore and its stated he stands alone at the top with no challengers even if ignore how valid the title is the fact mihawk is considered the strongest even after having multiple duels with shanks should speak to the fact he is at least stronger than shanks

[@migueljaques6780]

Thank you!

[@ThornDevl]

I feel like Zorro versus mehawk is going to be like black star versus that one guy from soul eater. If they’re in a greater battle, it would probably be given more attention, then other fights until it’s over but I would definitely say the best thing it could be, would be like black star versus that one guy just a final battle between two guys without an interruption just us seeing them fight for the title

[@Relax_Rombey]

A response vid, I’m intrigued

[@mightguy3118]

😉

[@98ore]

i never understood this feats things because the character matters, their personality etc just because someone show some stupid feat doesnt meant they cant do it, ive been watching one piece for years and new to the online community but definitely cant get into the community cuz they annoy me with the stupid powerscaling debates and rankings, agendas, and even nonsensical theories (theyre fanfiction not theories), people really acting like power is linear. when theres match ups, circumstances, motivation, preparation, knowledge etc

[@bmoney3837]

yep I always comapare mihawk to zoro. What zoro can do mihawk can do 10x times better

[@freakydeaky1435]

I would say a swordsman is a person who justifiably believes themselves to be at their strongest when using a sword.

[@Manji__]

Finally, a smart OP fan

[@firewallnuke147]

I do agree with your points but does that mean prime whitebeard was stronger than roger and rocks? Or did he get the title after and i prob forgot

[@Chris-rj4bt]

If anything Mihawks title is the most secure out of every character in the series

[@RoyNewgate]

Without a shadow of a doubt

[@st_king_jay]

My man!!!

[@plank1347]

i cant wait for the entire fan base be flabbergasted by what oda cooks up

[@saurabhsingh6227]

Zoro, wont be defeating Mihawk head on, its kind of like a gut feeling, like something more interesting would happen that would pass on the title to him…..Mihawk will be playing a bigger and bigger role, I speculate, since he is now a part of Cross Guild, an organisation which is challenging the WG directly, like so freakin directly, which will lead to some circumstances…spicy ones, its not going to be as simple guys, Zoro directly defeating him, thats what I think. Plus the creator has his own favourite characters, which is so very evident from how Oda treats Mihawks character, in every instnace he has appeared, each instance being very short not giving us much, and the way he is presented is beautiful…the air of dread that surrounds him, his presence itself raises the anxiety, all when he is just shown his face. Zoro is a central character and he is always different when he appears, like he when he appeared in the Movie stampede…and people keep talking about feats man, well for all the top brass, of how many did we get to see feats, PK himself was shown clashing with WB so freakin late in the series, was their any air of doubt about their capabilities, also Garp, we got to see him throw some punches just a few chapters back…

[@PortgasDASCE]

I could see an all out war at the end of one piece, Yanko, CDs, Marines, and revolutionaries. All fighting each other and that’s where Mihawk and Zoro fight. Could be wrong but that’s where I see the narrative going. However it is Oda, so who knows?

[@vlogbagam9079]

Damnnn... Amazing topic

[@RoyNewgate]

Thanks fam!, any topics in particular you'd like to see explore moving forward?

[@harlock1550]

A swordsman in One Piece only needs to fit two simple criteria. 1. They define themselves as swords / live by a swordsman code. "Scars on the back are a swordsmans shame." 2. If the character is diminished by not having a sword in power and / or characterization. Example: Mihawk is both less powerful and less important without his sword, where Roger is still just as threatening and important without one. In the case of Shanks, it doesn't seem like he would define himself as a swordsman since he is far more than that, and he's still important and can threaten entire islands just by standing near them.

[@Lineage4you2]

1.That is not true . 2. all instaces we have seen roger fight was with a sword, he might not have had a code but it is still how he fought to win battles, which defines how far he reached and the level was at in terms of power. He even named his sword ace which is described to be one of his longest companion alongside his journey. 3.There is a manga panel where it shows OP srodsman on the cover and shanks was on it. He is subject to WSS title.

[@harlock1550]

@Lineage4you2 Wow, good job. None of those were even close to good arguments. All my points still stand, so address them each with valid points, or don't comment. Like it or not, there are major clear differences in characterization between characters like Mihawk and Zoro and characters like Roger and Shanks. Whether or not you can understand them isn't a point in favor of your argument.

[@Lineage4you2]

​@@harlock1550 I adressed them, read again. Your points do not stand i debunked them with literal manga evidence that you can verify. Your point about roger still being a threat is only valid for fodder ...at the top level without his sword is not valid because if that was the case he would have switched his fighting style a couple of times in the flashback yet that didn`t happen, shanks also. You made a statment that" A swordsman in One Piece only needs to fit two simple criteria etc" that is false. Yes zoro and mihawk or roger and shanks they have different goals or objectives in the world or their life does not revolve around the sword ,but they are still swordsman. A MANGA PANEL that showcase the swordsman in one piece definetly is more valid than your argument.

[@harlock1550]

@Lineage4you2 All of what you're saying is missing tons of meta narrative context and is wildly inaccurate. You are making up things up, like Roger couldn't fight at a high level without his sword. And we do not have enough info from any part of the manga to suggest anything about that for Roger. Additionally, Garp is his main rival and fights bare handed, and you could easily assume Roger is just as physically powerful, would fight him on those same terms, and thus, he's very likely not diminished by not having a sword. Simply put, everything I said does, in fact, stand. Roger isn't a swordsman, and Oda clearly frames him a pirate, and pirates happen to use swords. There is really no argument here. Reducing it to its simplest form, what I said is pretty clear how Oda wants to frame this narratively. A swordsman is a character that is just as important as their sword and defines themselves as a swordsman. Like it or not, that's how it is in this story. Example Jinbe and Luffy both punch things, but only one is a martial artist.

[@Lineage4you2]

​@@harlock1550 If i am inaccurate please point to a single thing that didn`t happen in the manga or anime or isn`t supported by the author. I`ll wait. Bro you need proof to back up your statemnts , your arguing in bad faith...you just make asumptions on things that didn`t happen and weren`t showcased ...mine are backed by vivre cards ,manga panels, point is YOU have no argument just speculation. Fact of the matter is both jinbei and luffy fight with their bare hands they fall into a certain fighting style class like boxers ,or kick boxing...but you couldn`t put shanks there cause he fights with his sword ,a real world equivalent to that would be medival fights with weapons specfically the sword category... and that just so happens to put shank in the same fighting style class as mihawk ,zoro or other swrodsman.

[@thiscus1636]

its pretty easy to see that most of the counterpoints to the title of WSS being a legit title require a decent amount of mental gymnastics which shouldnt be necessary for smth so simple imo, to me its just bitter shanks fans tryna find loopholes or slight flaws in odas portrayal of mihawk to make shanks seem stronger when basic comprehension should tell most people mihawk is stronger since they both use swords lmao

[@alexandruandros1271]

Except for the fact that if you believe Mihawk is stronger you have to do mental gymnastics to explain why Luffy, being stronger than Zoro will have to fight in a match with similar stakes to Zoro's, an opponent weaker than Zoro's

[@thiscus1636]

​@@alexandruandros1271 luffy doesnt want to take shanks' head since he idolises him plus shanks wont realistically be the final fight when blackbeard, imu and even akainu are around, if luffy fights shanks theyll probs just spar while when zoro fights mihawk theyd both go all out

[@slenda8205]

Venusjuro has a strong devil fruit so he may be exempt for that reason with Garling it could just be that although Zoro’s the strongest Garling could have a tech to negate Interesting observation, we know Shanks has the ability to combat future sight and Mihawk is known as the clairvoyant, hence one could be nowhere as near skilled as a swordsman but limit their capabilities to make it a very difficult if not impossible fight

[@thumbsup6042]

My main argument to shanks fans is imagine your in the once piece world. Zoro just defeated Mihawk by a tiny hair and he’s standing there in triumph. Now, it’s your job to walk up to him and explain to him why shanks is actually stronger because he’s not a real swords man or because Mihawk title isn’t legit while he stares into your soul.

[@mr-ov5gt]

Shanks want the op and become pk you're really gonna put wss over pk 💀

[@rare523]

one thing, black blade scaling to scale mihawk over roger and whitebeard (throw xebec in there as well) is pure headcanon cause as of now 1. we don't know how black blades are forged/ made other than the Haki component 2. we don't know if mihawk even made it black (if anyone is dedicated to the sword to achieve this feat it should be mihawk and at some point zoro) 3. black blade significance is yet to be clarified cause all we know only top tier swordmen have it and it can increase a blades grade to a higher one, maybe already supreme grade blades such as ace cant go any higher as they are already at max stats? was yoru already a supreme grade blade that mihawk turned black? if yes then it makes sense why he says its the strongest blade in the world as it would be a tier above the 12 but it isnt (maybe it gets retconned and yoru will be the highest grade blade) but what makes sense more is yoru was a great grade before it was turned black and became a supreme grade after turning black

[@RoyNewgate]

Well I didn't outright say that it scales Mihawk over Roger but it is an accomplishment that Mihawk has over Roger since he didn't have one and from what we know Mihawk has the stronger sword. Mihawk also said any blade can became a black blade like his. I think with the other information we have like from road to laughtale saying black blades are the most elite of the graded weapons that his sword would be a tier above a blade like Ace. What it all means in the grand scheme and what additional advantages it gives the swordsman is something we'll have to see but I don't think there's any doubt that there are advantages there or it wouldn't be touted as such an impressive feat.

[@bmoney3837]

to carry the strongest sword you have to be a monster. look how hard is it for zoro to control enma

[@rare523]

@bmoney3837 blackblade has nothing to do with that, shusui was just heavier than his other swords that was problematic to cut way more than zoro wanted and the black aspect of it made it more durable than his other swords (makes sense since haki is a component in turning a blade black) and that's about it. When a sword is forged, the blacksmith gives it the traits and characteristics, not the swordsman. Enma isn't a black blade, yet it was more problematic than shusui.

[@bmoney3837]

⁠@@rare523t’s the swordsman that makes the black blade. Any sword can make be a black blade stated by mihawk. It takes a lot of haki to make it. Only mihawk in present day one piece has done it. He made his own sword the strongest sword in the series

[@leodoro4356]

Dude sword fighting is not separated from haki common

[@blablaelgore]

Could this be the beginning of a new one piece yotuber legend?

[@l.e.x4983]

Wow fantastic video

[@takeshikujo2909]

Honestly, I can see ones like Garland and Nasjuro fighting Zoro right after he fought Mihawk, which leads to being his greatest challenge: Fighting two other formidable swordsman right after defeating the best, with no rest in between at all. That… is just simply Zoro.

[@user-dw3bk1yk4c]

Doing tricks on it

[@xxmetallica808xx]

Mihawk has been my top 2 for about 20 years. I've always thought that Mihawk was below Yonko and above Admirals. However, recently the story has made it a point to emphasize Mihawks comparison to Yonko. My stance has become increasingly more uncertain, he is certainly Yonko lvl but not #1.

[@RoyNewgate]

I think he can be stronger then anyone except for Luffy's final opponent, so yeah not #1. I think that might be imu the way things are going

[@KurokamiNajimi]

Whitebeard being old isn’t innately why he wasn’t the strongest, it was that his illness peaked. He was the strongest in chapter 234, possibly even when he met with Shanks. But by MF he was screwed. That’s why Garp who is relative to WB is kicking Aokiji’s ass right now and why Kizaru admitted he wouldn’t be able to bring in Rayleigh alone. So while I couldn’t use vivre cards or databooks I agree that narrator titles are fact I don’t think being a swordsman is solely do you use a sword. Strongest swordsman should mean 2 characters fight using a sword and whoever wins. Fujitora using his DF isn’t swordsmanship at all. The same way no one would label Big Mom or Whitebeard as a pure swordsman. You’d also have to ask how does Kaido’s club have any meaningful distinction. Granted I’d put Mihawk over Kaido and Big Mom regardless Haki has shown to have elements that go beyond just coating your blade in Haki. The divine departure if you look closely isn’t just a coated slash it’s energy. We tend to forget this but Rayleigh, Sentomaru, and the Admirals showed invisible ranged Haki that acts as offense and defense. Garp showed us full on energy explosion which Shanks can obviously do. Ryou+King’s coating is similar allowing you to strike without even touching. Future sight even is a hax not related to a straight up. Shanks may be a swordsman’s but if you took his sword away I don’t think anyone would argue he’s defenseless or significantly nerfed. Does it make much sense to say Shanks beats him without his sword but somehow loses when using it? It was even emphasized Mihawk has better “sword skill” helping to clear up confusion. At any rate Mihawk just has no feats or portrayal putting him at Shanks’ level. I honestly question if he’s even close to Shanks. Imo the final battle is Straw Hats vs Red Hair Pirates+Mihawk on Laugh Tale. Oda has said twice now the series ends when the One Piece is found implying the final battle is pirate vs pirate. Shanks was established as Luffy’s goal in chapter 1 and again emphasized he will defeat him in Punk Hazard. Shanks being the modern day Roger with the best portrayal by far and their meeting being put off to this day I can’t see any other scenario. Only reason Shanks is excluded by most is because he’s not a villain. Makes the most sense for the goals of Luffy and Zoro who are also friends so to speak to be waiting for them at the end

[@user-lw6wx6om4p]

the disparity seems to be between characters that use a sword as a weapon to fight and those that being a swordsman is an integral part of their fighting style. zoro doesn't fight without a sword, hes a swordsman. roger was the strongest, the king of the pirates but he had a sword, should he not have been the strongest swordsman or did he just use a sword to fight?

[@RoyNewgate]

I do believe that Roger was the world's strongest swordsman of his era. Mihawk didn't rise to the top until Roger had long been dead.

[@laraison6020]

​@@RoyNewgate nope it was never confirmed. Even when he wasn't pirate King he was called "a great pirate", if he was the WSS the narrator would have used this title instead. That's one of the numerous problems with Mihawk's title, like for exemple, how did he obtained it. The dude is the strongest swordman but never won against Rayleight, yonkou Shanks (who clearly is stronger than the Shanks back then), Shiliew, Nosjuro, Garling... like WTF. You're the best when you beat the best, that's it, how can we be so sure that he's stronger than those guys if he never fought them. That's the problem I have, his title is fraudulent by nature. Plus it was never explained proprely what this title was about. Is it about sword skill ? In that case devil fruit and haki techniques like mental attacks or observation haki suppression shouldn't be taken into account. Is it about overall strenght ? Then why did Roger never had this title... Also Garp said that Shanks was a pirate capable of rivaling with Newgate, and called the yonkou the four most powerfull pirates in the world. Even Buggy confirms this because the world government view him as a man capable of submitting Crocodile and Mihawk, so a very powerfull person.

[@user-zy4tb8jd1t]

Who cares about title? True scalers use direct statements in databooks. His vivre card calls him the worlds strongest swordsman but also in the data books he is called that (without title) and also once the most power swordsman. Also narrative wise this doesnt make sense in most cases. Even remove the title and hes still above Shanks😂

[@Kidkinsey]

Notification gang

[@SarevokRegor]

Imu appears to power up the Gorosei, so its irrelevant if Nosjuro is a stronger fighter then Mihawk in that context.

[@theanimazin]

Even if shanks is on par with mihawk in terms of overall strength and haki he’s still not the strongest swordsman. For all we know shanks probably uses guns proficiently. That’s one of the reasons why mihawk is the strongest swordsman. He is strictly a swordsman. No other strong character wants to take that from him because it’ll be way too much trouble. Except for zoro of course. We all know that’s later in the story. I still think even if kaido decided to fight mihawk just to test mihawks overall strength and skills, it would be way too much trouble. He could kill mihawk but at what costs? Imagine luffy being a skilled swordsman. I’m sure that would be scary. Now imagine a real lone swordsman with the title of worlds strongest swordsman, without a devil fruit power, that can freely travel the seas on a little ass boat. That’s even scarier. Like way scarier.

[@karthiknarayanan3705]

Look lets be honest here. The only thing Mihawk has is a TITLE. His portrayal and feats don't back up his title. Oda did him dirty there. Except for the statement that shanks used to duel Mihawk a long time ago ODA has never potrayed Mihawk as being equal to shanks or any of the yonko for that matter. No one took him seriously in the war while Shanks mere presence stopped the marines, WB pirates and the black beard pirates. That is how you portray a strong character. Mihawk himself considers he is below WB and wanted to know the "distance" between them. Heck WB didn't even move a muscle against Mihawk's attack and let jozu handle him. The only feats we have seen from Mihawk are against vista, jozu, pre time skip Luffy and some ice. So unless ODA gives mihawk some ACTUAL feats and not just some statements and titles, he will always be on fraud watch.

[@Lineage4you2]

Let` be honest given shonen story tropes in general the more feats and show of power you show in the story like shanks did recently ,while other show them later the stronger the latter character... which is why we basically haven`t seen as many feats of mihwak like we have seen for shanks going all out, it`s the same reason why people suddenly consider the dude that was at god valley that was recently introduced, suddenly people start putting him at a level of mihawk or shanks or over , and that guy is featless yet people still assume that he might beat characters with more feats...yet when it comse to mihawk they suddenly don`t do it because it implies mihawk >shanks. Any yonko showing up that late in the war would have put an end to the war it wasn`t just shanks or he`s mere presence like he can stop wars left and right like nothing, also we have some implications that shanks might be related to celestial dragons so that also played a part in ending the war. Shanks fighting mihawk is absolutley a statement that they where equal, pre shanks losing he`s dominant arm which is why mihawk didn`t want to fight shanks anymore, and that also shows mihawk scaling to shanks up to present , if you really think one became much stronger while the other lagged behind for no reason,that is less belivable,even tough in the story prior to shanks losing an arm they where at the same level, your statement requires proof mine doens`t because it is backed by the story while yours is a guess that mihawk lagged behind. In one piece we have seen examples of swordsman cutting and not cutting a leaf at will depending if it was the target or not , in your example the target was WB it wasn`t Jozu which it didn`t cut him like the leaf example. It also depends if the atack was haki infused or not, Jozu in your example has a DF that is specifcally more resistant or a natural enemy to swordsman like luffy was to enel, so we have 2 things we really don`t know in the equation ,does the leaf example apply and was haki involved in the atack,because a normal slash from mihawk would be just as deadly to someone like WB but to Jozu because of his DF would be another story.

[@bmuhammadthariqhumaid4670]

im confused, is this video suppose to contradict or support morj video?

[@RoyNewgate]

It’s against his points

[@stefa7004]

Swordmanship is an art. The strongest swormand has the best sword skills ! Anyone in the serie exept Ryuma did not mastered his blade like Mihawk did and thats why his blade is black. But there are swordmans like Roger Shanks who are stronger than Mihawk because they power is represented by their will (Haki)to protect people and not only represented by their swords and swords skills

[@mightguy3118]

I love how his title is world's strongest swordsman and not world's most skilled swordsman. Love how literally every Swordman especially Zoro relies on haki

[@bricedbeginner]

​@@mightguy3118 I mean big mom uses a sword, Roger did, whitebeard kinda does, none of them have or had a Black blade even in their primes and I would argue especially Roger and whitebeard were more powerful than mihawk (not by much ), so forging a black blade seems to be more about dedication to the Art form rather than just strenght,as there are many strong characters that utilize swords ( Roger, big mom, whitebeard, shanks, even shiki, Oden) without turning there blades permanently black

[@heroricspiritfreinen38]

​@@bricedbeginner Roger is not more powerful than mihawk

[@mightguy3118]

@@bricedbeginner Or maybe mihawk simply has better armament Haki than them🤷

[@mightguy3118]

@@bricedbeginner and I got shanks above Roger and mihawk above shanks. New gen > old

[@Iroh10800]

Good vid. Btw I find it funny how you didn't actualy debunk or argue against anything morj said really bc morj basicly said what you said. "Mihawk isn't a fraud but that doesn't mean zoro can't fight someone stronger later who isn't a swordsman" This is why I laugh and think mihawk fans are way to soft (not you btw I agree with the vid) morj basicly said shanks < mihawk and that mihawk can be the wss and not zoros final fight still. Yet they called him a mihawk hater. And mihawks morjs fav side character.

[@blablaelgore]

I can't wait to ses morj reaction to this.

[@blankblank6214]

I'm pretty sure that samurai Ghandi is stronger than mihawk cuz I could see him not caring about the title as it could draw too much attention to himself which would cause a lot of problems overall

[@bgregz]

idk why anyone brought nasujuro into this discussion, i really dont think the gorosei directly use their weapons

[@Kabra2012]

Hot Take, but I think someone is gonna steal the title from Mihawk. Maybe the BB pirates interfering in a fight allowing Shiryu to sneak attack Mihawk. Then Zoros final fight would align more with an end of series Strawhats vs BB Pirates battle

[@muchoyurdem5260]

I agree. That's what I've been theorizing since the last saga started. Mihawk won't be his last opponent. Either Mihawk gets beaten by a stronger opponent or Zoro fights Mihawk before the final fight/war starts

[@bmoney3837]

That’s if shiryu makes his sword into a black blade

[@bmoney3837]

But the problem is does shiryu has a devil fruit? Then he will more likely be ablity user than a swordsman

[@muchoyurdem5260]

@bmoney3837 ?? If he's a swordsman since "ever" and recently got a devil fruit, then why would he only be more likely an ability user?? That doesn't make sense at all, lol. And he was already stealthy before obtaining Suke Suke no mi. He can perfectly implement/combine the fruits ability with his "original" fighting style, which is "Swordsmanship"

[@FireAngelChris]

All the titles in the series are legit.

[@kingofspaids1]

personally i think strongest swordsman means that but i always thought that shiryu would beat him underhandedly then zoro would have to beat him

[@baypat3688]

We saw Mihawk blacken his blade? I must have missed that panel, I thought we just knew he had a black blade

[@RoyNewgate]

Well I don't think every concept in the show will be in your face in bold letters, so some things like that are a safe assumption. I don't see the merit in Mihawk using a blade that was passed down to him already forged or it would take away from his accomplishments and weight as the world's strongest swordsman. I also think this is why it was important for Zoro to lose Shusui. He gained it in order to learn about black blades and plot points that tie him in with the arc but lost it to learn to reach this step on his own which is important for his overall ability as a swordsman.

[@baypat3688]

@@RoyNewgate my only problem with that statement is that your making an assumption based on Mihawks title, which we don't even know is legitimate yet

[@bmoney3837]

@@RoyNewgate if it was passed i think it takes a monster to control it because it is the strongest sword in the series

[@abbamalami9171]

The celestial dragons would never aim for a title like world's strongest man or swordsman, they view themselves as gods above men, going after a title for men is beneath them

[@leftoflove]

People put too much stock that the one piece epithets are absolute fact about a persons skill when in reality its probably more like a nickname given by the people/news. roger wasn't king of the pirates his monicker just signaled that he was in a class above his peers. Kaido/whitebeard didn't have to actually have to be the singular strongest person in the world, but rather titains that took actual armies to take them out. Kaido and whitebeard could have probably 1v1 any one at marineford/wano and the elders could probably easily beat them. In Mihawk's case he's strong enough to be in the top 1% of fighters and the top .5% of sword fighters. On top of his sword fighting skill people like mihawk and Zoro who live and breath swordsmanship as a way of life are few and between in the world and i think the people in universe can see that.

[@victorkaranja1420]

While I get king of the Pirates not being literal, I would really put stock into the rest like strongest titles, whitebeards fruit is literally just shockwaves after all so it shouldn't be out there

[@bmoney3837]

he got that title because of finding the one piece and he ruled the seas its not a strength title

[@bmoney3837]

All the titles are legit so far

[@YepMarko]

people latterly saw 2 panels of Garling doing nothing and 4 panels of Gandi Gorosei holding sword doing nothing, oh ye failing to get Sabo with Cobra on his back with 5 other God strong people, and got to conclusion that those are stronger than Mihawk that we saw only towing casual swords entire manga, joking around.

[@mrbubbles6468]

Mihawk is absolutely the strongest. He’s been Zoro’s end goal from the start. Oda is not changing that. And honestly it fits Mihawk now if he is. As Shanks seems like he was a Luffy trying to get his Zoro, both his fame and his skills were seemingly gaimed for battling Mihawk. Hawks are known for seeing real well and Shanks just so happens to null observation specifically. They fight each other to a draw in their legendary fight. Then Shanks loses and arm. Mihawk loses a challenge and his tool and drive to grow. Until Zoro. And Shanks finds it in Luffy. Sp you have them aiming to be the best in a way Mihawk and Shanks couldn’t wuite be because fate robbed them both of that at the same time.

[@Crazycazper]

Ur 1000 percent correct

[@sixpaths66]

I don't know the way whitebeard went out while he was sick is worthy of that title you can't name another "man" in op capable of tanking such abuse and then dying on their feet. Op fans look at the world's strongest man title and think he doesn't deserve it based off only combat ability. But his death clearly shows why he had that title.

[@RoyNewgate]

I think for example if you put him in a scenario where he would have to last 10 days with an admiral, he would lose before the second day so I wouldn't call him the strongest man at that point

[@sixpaths66]

@RoyNewgate I don't know the way I see it the admiral would have to last 10 days vs him pre time skip of course. You could argue Sen goku but he did annihilate akainu and could have easily kept going.

[@Relax_Rombey]

This video was great and factual

[@mightguy3118]

Fact's

[@RoyNewgate]

Appreciate it fam!

[@CalmDubs]

Morj shouldnt have said that figarland is of " heaven". What he should have said is that figarland and the celestial dragon fighters are hidden combatant. It's not like mihawk can waltz into marijoa and duel the holy knights. So, the world doesnt no about them. Lets not forget that the god valley incident was erased from the history books. So there are a handful of ppl who even know about the gods knights and figarland

[@just_365]

👍

[@relife3348]

The reason why we never see Mihwak try. Oda said he is the strongest no matter how much new op swords man came out mohawk is still stronger

[@kutrodassf1851]

Whitebeard was the strongest until his very end, old age has nothing to do with it. Whitebeard was the strongest because he ate the strongest fruit, and became the strongest man, he could easily destroy islands. So he was the strongest at his very end, old age is totally irrelevant . Kaido was the strongest creature in endurance,"Noone could kill him not even himself" ,..... Mihawk being the strongest swordsman is true, that doesn't mean if you out him 1v1 with any other swordsman, he wins. Strongest means, he is the best on something that has to do with being strong. Mihawk being strongest could mean his slash does more dmg than any other persons slash, doesn't mean he is, for example, the fastest or anything else. All of the titles of "strongest" that have been given are true.

[@gabriellk]

Morj has negative observation haki. If he says Mihawk is a fraud, I take that as basically confirming that he is the strongest swordsman 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@angel_1]

The Realm of the Gods vs World point Mr. Morj brought up, also makes a lot of sense. Particularly about Seraphim Mihawk. Since S-Hawk is basically buffed up, all specs enhanced, giant Mihawk. So it would still be fitting for the WSS title

[@monkeydspider8203]

S-Hawk has no haki. Mihawk's one casual slash destroys meteors, his haki slash would half the S-Hawk

[@angel_1]

@@monkeydspider8203 stampede is not canon. Mihawk literally has no post-timeskip feats. S-Hawk's blocked attack destroyed a mountain the size of the tsunami Mihawk cut

[@monkeydspider8203]

@@angel_1 Marineford? His slash destroyed one ice mountain from far 😂.

[@monkeydspider8203]

@@angel_1 And that Mihawk is created from whose genes kid?

[@angel_1]

@@monkeydspider8203 marineford is pre-timsekip dude

[@himu6948]

They're all strong and all untill shanks pull up and says who wants the smoke... 😏 and all the strong and what not don't want that smoke... 😂

[@RoyNewgate]

Do you have Shanks as the strongest in One Piece?

[@domspokestopshop6018]

😂just him having a black sword is the only feat this man needs yall do realize that him having yoru literally proves his power literally has the strongest weapon in one piece

[@stephencox8723]

"sword lore that has to be explored" why you dropping bars fam?

[@RoyNewgate]

Force of habit fam😂

[@stephencox8723]

@@RoyNewgate that shit flowed my guy 👌

[@PoH27]

W vid

[@moagilah8519]

This discourse is nuts in the fanbase, mihawk is the strongest swordsman or it invalidates zoro's goal. People are just salty that 1 vs 1 mihawk is probaly besting shanks. In fact oda said he was stronger to the live action actors.

[@buffalosoldier5128]

Bruh look how long it took us to see how shanks really fights …. And we still haven’t seen Mihawk fight yet . Meaning he prob is the goat or literally as strong as shanks maybe Stronger

[@5-iwnl-596]

If you want to realize why shanks beats Mihawk you have to realize why he has the title as Strongest Swordman... Whitebeard/Kaido had "Strongest Man" titles, mihawk only has Sword Skills title. its very different, as he can lose to just about anybody with better haki and Shanks is no different because now he has advanced conquerors and can cancel out mihawk's famed observation haki, making the fight pretty one sided. its been 8 years since they fought dont bring up their fights.

[@DANCERcow]

Mr "the raid will fail!' Morj lol hard to take a guy seriously when you get something so wrong when it was spelled out it wasn't going to fail! Lol

[@jarontirosh324]

About Kaidos title he is called the worlds strongest creature which refers to the fact that you can't call Kaido really a human anymore. He's more like a natural catastrophe that destroys everything in its way. So if we consider that he very much holds up to his title. Also people seem to think that because luffy beat kaido he is now stronger than him even though the series goes out of its way to make clear that Kaido and luffy are equals now. They both fought ob the same level and in the end luffy was able to get the win, due to his willpower. Beating someone in a fight doesn't directly make you stronger than them

[@bmoney3837]

He was never a human

[@soraxis9285]

ppl now saying he is trash now? KEKW

[@bwaka9178]

I don't give a fuck who is stronger but mihawk fans annoy the shit out of me. Why do people defend this guy so hard he's alright but other than theoretical strength what do people think is so compelling of a character. he does not do anything. Im not debating that hes not strong but as a character what the hell is his deal. we know literally nothing.

[@AngryAnimeFan2]

Argh, in the end I feel Mihawk is suppose to be a foil to Zoro. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman, that found strength in Himself and Alone. Zoro found strength through a cause More then Himself and Others. So I feel Mihawk needs to be defeated not just to eclipse a goal which should be his only purpose (I cannot deny I despise Mihawk) but also as the Final Person who found strength in Himslef and got surpassed by one that Found strength beyond that

[@mortvald]

Zoro got lost in fairy tail and unlocked the power of friendship.

[@AngryAnimeFan2]

@@mortvald and whats so bad about that? Whats your point?

[@mortvald]

@@AngryAnimeFan2 Learn to take a joke

[@AngryAnimeFan2]

@@mortvald if that was a joke I am not laughing, because I have heard enough bash of that great series that I am jaded

[@mortvald]

@@AngryAnimeFan2 Ahhhh that explains the outburst

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

4:43 idk man , that seems like cope to me.

[@deathitself6985]

I've never seen the issue in Mihawk being stronger than Shanks it wouldn't hurt the narrative and Shanks would still have more influence and power at his disposal making him more capable than Mihawk he has the red hair pirates is an emperor has territories etc Mihawk being stronger in a swordfight would just make Zoros journey more legitimate while the opposite would just lead to dissapointment. Shanks would still have insane power it could also just be a bad matchup with one arm. This wouldnt hurt Shanks in anyway he would be just as badass and strong against every enemy he would face because the two of them respect eachother anyway Them being equal could also work making Zoro surpass both when surpassing Mihawk but i doubt it only Ryuma and Mihawk have black blades so far

[@RoyNewgate]

Yeah I agree. Shanks is still important to the story while being canonically weaker then just one man. People don’t realize his value isn’t in being the strongest in the world

[@Archonus]

I can't wait until Mohawk starts dual wielding and one-shots the planet.

[@RoyNewgate]

I think he'd have to give up Yoru for that to happen lol

[@CameronkAK]

Talking about Mihawk in this community is a funny thing. You have one side who worships him and the others who think it’s blasphemous to say he is in the level of top tiers. I saw a short where it was Mihawk vs the yonko and it said Mihawk beats all of them outside of Whitebeard and people were clapping it Mihawk piece. But then you see Shanks vs the yonko and he gets the exact same situation but people call it fax.

[@Ptolemy336VV]

Yeah. Mihawk is stronger than anyone. Hence. Thats why the series is called Zoro Piece. Because even though Luffy is 2.5x stronger than zoro today, in the end of the series Zoro grows 100x and Luffy only 2x more and then the TRUE One Piece comes into play. The whole 1080+ eps have never been important. As the entire world will look to Mihawk and Zoro. Imu, Shanks, Kaido, Luffy, Dragon, Garp, BB, will all look to Mihawk and Zoro and are COMPLETELY in awe! They say: OMG, do you see that power IMU? You dont even have 1/10th of this power. Not even Roger was 1/5th of Zoros and Mihawks power *And this is how One Piece ends. True story bro. Ask any Zoro fan*

[@Melmethal]

I think when It means “Strongest Swordsmen.” I think personally it means that he has made the strongest sword style currently known, like strongest sword techniques

[@mightguy3118]

No stop coping. Mihawk spent 2 year's teaching Zoro haki not a new sword style. When it says STRONGEST SWORDSMAN it's what it sounds like it means. The Strongest Swordman alive. If you're a swordman, you're inferior to Mihawk. How tf are you the world's strongest swordsman when there's a swordman who would beat your ass in a sword fight but you still remain the world's strongest swordsman bc you swung your sword with more style. Does that even sound Right to you 💀

[@Melmethal]

@@mightguy3118 I ain’t coping I was just saying a theory?

[@ultimatedumbass4640]

​@@mightguy3118 It's not coping you clown, it's a fuccin perspective lmfao

[@cosimocosimo2319]

Good point of who is a swordsman and who isn't Even if let's A define himself as swordsman but his best moves are punches or DF attacks unrelated to Swordsmanship (Rankyaku can be considered swordsmanship) then that guy can be a weaker swordsman but be overall stronger. Of course all of this doesn't apply to Shanks who has nothing other than swordsmanship

[@RoyNewgate]

Yeah straight up. It shouldn't get any more harder to discern then that. I will never get the idea that a sword slash by one person is a sword attack with haki but by another person it's a haki slash that just happens to be focused with a sword lol

[@muchoyurdem5260]

I just don't understand why you say Shanks has nothing other than sowrdsmanship? Haki and physical capabilities play a big role. Shanks has showcased one if not the best Haki feats. Your techniques or skill/proficiency in a certain fighting style be is swordsmaster/martial artist/magician or whatever doesn't trump physical capabilities speed and hax. For example Shanks has showcased the best observation Haki feats and also hax pretty much the craziest hax in negating others observation so even if someone like Mihawk or even Figarland is more proficient in swordsmanship that wouldn't make them stronger than someone that could possibly see any attack coming and in some way being able to outspeeding them or evade most attacks and be able to hit his opponent easier because of negating said "observation." Shanks has way more going on than swordsmanship and probably more we don't even know and Mihawk too. We didn't see much of them

[@Z_Belphemon]

its the "strongest" part of the title i don't stand by atleast "greatest" maybe but if White beard is the "Strongest man alive" wouldn't that make him the Strongest Swordsman? just not the most skilled? idk.

[@RoyNewgate]

I don't think Whitebeard counts as a swordsman

[@victorkaranja1420]

I think that mainly refers to his devil fruit, same goes for kaido

[@muchoyurdem5260]

For me, that title was never meaningful. Maybe in the beginning of the series, sure. And when i say "never meaningful," im saying "being the strongest" is meaningless if it's just a title because their should be evidence of how he gained that title. Did he beat the strongest swordsman? Who was the strongest? Did he even fight the strongest? The strongest doesn't nesseary have to be challangable or present. I mean, we are talking about a whole world. Do the people that live in there even know the strongest swordsman? So, how would we know? The title was as meaningless the same way Kuzans title was meaningless, being the strongest Admiral in the Marine. The only meaning that title had and still has is "Yeah, he is really strong, one of the strongest" but "the" strongest? Because of that title?

[@RoyNewgate]

I don't think anything has happened for it to lose meaning because all of the extra details can be explored at any point before the story ends. The deadline is the end of One Piece, not pre-ts or before Shanks and other characters get explored and expanded on. It's not a race.

[@muchoyurdem5260]

@@RoyNewgate Your argument can get both ways "I don't think anything has happened for it to lose meaning." Neither did anything happen for it to be meaningful and I'm specifically talking about "being the strongest swordsman" He never proved himself to be the strongest. Like i said in my original comment "that title has only meaning for him to be one of the top tiers" it doesn't prove/"means" he is the strongest.

[@poopoostinkyshit]

Mihawk > Shanks Morj = retarded Hotel? Trivago.

[@mastername5373]

This just tells e you didn't watch Morj's video, He is also Mihawk is the Stronger Swordsman and was confused about how this would play out, The Likeliness of Zoro Vs Mihawk being Last Battle seems low so how that would work in the Story, One of his suggestion was with Oda hyping up the Seraphim and them being children the Mihawk Seraphim is Zoro's Final Opponent and the Only Swordsman Stronger than Mihawk was him Upgraded.

[@Lok_N]

Mihawk is the strongest sword-man (a sword that's a man)

[@RoyNewgate]

Did parvision send you?🤔

[@TrueReverse74]

Personally, I take what the manga says as the reality where they highlight that mihawk's skill with a sword is what has surpassed shanks, Skill with a sword is a VERY specific trade, which has no room for haki or devil fruit abilities which use the sword as a way to enhance their powers. At no point in the story would I ever consider Law a better swordsman than Zoro even if Law is overall stronger, and I get that's just something that zoro has to deal with if Law ever wanted a shot at the title, but regardless of if Zoro wins or loses, his skills with a sword, meaning, Haki (as it relates to swordsmanship), Finesse, AP (with the sword) and technique, all relates to his blade but with Law and his devil fruit it does not. No matter how you put it together Law IS a swordsman, but his skill with his devil fruit would not make him a better swordsman than anyone. Big mom is another example, Big mom is not a better swordsman than Zoro in any way shape or form, in fact she uses her hands and devil fruit far more than her blade, the sword is just a convenient tool to apply her other abilities. This alone doesn't contribute to sword skill either. Mihawk is the definition of what a swordsman is and that's what Zoro has to surpass, but by no means does that make Mihawk top 1 against anyone who uses a sword. Obtaining a black blade could have nothing to do with strength but more and Ideal that is forged through a battle, much like character development in an action shonen or like an awakening for a DF. And no one other than those who embody a true swordsman 100% can achieve a black blade. Anyway, that's my thoughts.

[@RoyNewgate]

I would consider Law a better swordsman if he's able to more effectively utilize his blade ability with his devil fruit then Zoro can. It's a skill to even be able to effectively use the ope ope let alone with a sword. So i'd absolutely consider law the strongest swordsman if he can put these two together and outperform Zoro.

[@TrueReverse74]

@@RoyNewgate Even if you say that, there's no way you can honestly believe that big mom is a better swordsman than zoro, we can agree to disagree with Law cause at least there's a debate to be had there, and to be clear, I'm not saying that there isn't skill to use the ope ope fruit with a sword, what I AM saying is that it doesn't put him above zoro since most of his effectiveness comes from his skills as a docter, not the sword. If zoro and law fought and law awakened during it and beat zoro with it, that's not law being a better swordsman, that's his devil fruit giving him the win. but in no way is that the case with Big mom or even king for that matter who was stronger than zoro overall until zoro got Acoc. Point being, that skill with a sword is not reflective of all capabilities a person has. If there are things like enhanced body modifications, DFs, scientific weaponry in addtion to the sword, that inherently enhances their overall abilities, it also weakens their rep as a swordsman as well. That's all i'm saying.

[@RoyNewgate]

@@TrueReverse74 so when Zoro got acoc did he become a better swordsman or not?

[@suko1254]

w video

[@Stefan0v1]

Bro, you really didn't make a strong case for Mihawk, because there is no strong case..It's your opinion, and it's great, but the fact is, we don't know if Mihawk is truly the strongest swordsman. The narrative is going out the window with what you are saying.. The big picture is out the window. 1) Luffy will reach Raftel 2) He will defeat BB and Become PK. 3) He will learn the true history, as WB said at Marineford. 4) Will join Dragon and challenge the WG. 5) He will arrive at Holy land as the Pirate king with Zoro number 1 WSS contender at this side. 6) Will defeat Akainu 7) Will defeat the Gorosei. 8) Will defeat Imu 9) Will save the world and bring forth the truth of the void century.. 10)Will die or not because of his shorten life span. Now, after all these emotions and Luffy's moment passing, all the attention goes over to a small hill on a deserted island that hides a trembling Zoro fighting the Majestic Mustach man.. All of that buildup, all those emotions...and now we pan over to Zoro? It seems too anticlimatic.. What happened to the promise he made to Luffy?That the PK will need the WSS at his side? Where? At the side of his grave?We didn't catch that part it seems. Edit: There's also this thing called Cross Guild that came out of nowhere.. If Oda really wanted Mihawk to be Zoro's final opponent, he should've left Mihawk alone, but he didn't, because he knows it would suck.. The race for the One piece is there with Shanks, Buggy, Luffy.. Shanks has Ben, Buggy has Mihawk and Luffy has Zoro.. There's a reason Oda put Buggy in the race for the one piece.. Zoro and Mihawk will clash before the final war starts..

[@mastername5373]

I don't think this is a Full Response to Morj's Video, Zoro vs Mihawk being the Last Fight is Very Unlikely, And Where was the counter against Mihawk Seraphim being Zoro's Final Battle, With Oda Hyping them up and them being children, The Only Stronger Swordsman who exists is Upgraded Mihawk.

[@tsfocus8317]

It wouldn't make sense for Zoro to be the world's strongest swordsman and Luffy hasn't become pirate king yet. Luffy also can't become pirate king before fighting the government because Oda said finding the One Piece will be "the most exciting part of Luffy's adventure". The most exciting part comes at the end of the story. Mihawk Seraphim will probably be a stepping stone to fighting the real thing because "haki"

[@mastername5373]

@@tsfocus8317 Mihawk himself says to Luffy that becoming the Pirate King is Harder than Defeating him in Baratie.

[@tsfocus8317]

@@mastername5373 That's true but there's less required things to become the world strongest swordman all you need is be number 1 with the swory. While to become the Pirate King u need a decent crew, some that can read the poneglyphs, and surpass everyone in the process. You can't do these by yourself.

[@mastername5373]

@@tsfocus8317 ? You Said Zoro will fight Mihawk after Luffy wins the War against the World Government.

[@tsfocus8317]

@@mastername5373 that's my guess I don't think their swordsman are as strong as Mihawk base on what has been told