Is Minecraft 1.8 PvP Finally DYING?

For the past 8 years, minecraft 1.8 has managed to remain one of minecrafts most played versions, primarily for its PvP mechanics. Yet, things are finally changing, and 1.8 for the first time is beginning to see a decline in popularity...
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0:00 - Intro
1:08 - What Changed?
3:40 - Different Types of PvP
6:14 - The Bright Future of 1.9+ PvP
8:32 - So Is 1.8 PvP Dead?
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[@TheMisterEpic]

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[@ItzPeople]

:D Very nice video

[@sockqt]

zamn

[@SleakZ-_-]

God vid

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

it's not just 1.8 pvp, minecraft as a game is dying overall as well

[@Jeremonkey90]

@@LavaCreeperPeople not true, Minecraft will never die!

[@MuzikBike]

I still can't get over how it's been over two years since the last combat snapshot

[@PeakApex]

and yet still nobody plays it 😞

[@Vendetta_killer]

Exactly! I want combat snapshots to get more attention!

[@PeakApex]

@@Vendetta_killer do you have java?

[@thomasalvarez6456]

Jeb working on it personally makes me think they want to overhaul it massively. Including potions, shields, new enchantments and maybe additions like new items etc. They want to focus on it as post 1.8 combat divided the community and don’t want to repeat it.

[@Vendetta_killer]

@@PeakApexno, but I have seen tons of combat test snapshot videos and It seems fun, simple and slightly more intuitive than 1.8 and 1.9 pvp, however I do recognize this Combat needs more snapshots for It to begin being as popular and better than the other combat systems

[@Novaliod]

Once 1.XX combat comes along, everything is going to change and I feel history will repeat itself. Which I think will be an interesting chapter in the history of Minecraft combat. I'm very interested in the future of this now.

[@MC_CN]

Jeb get to working!

[@adon155]

Im hoping that its not seen as a 3rd pvp version, and instead as an improvement on 1.9 thats similar enough as to not warrant servers that are pre 1.XX

[@AxoCatWasTaken]

I'm not updating past 1.19.0 anyway

[@danksmemington362]

Adding new combat requires Mojang to do work, which won't happen

[@AxoCatWasTaken]

@@danksmemington362 yep

[@SemiHypercube]

Moral of the story: Hypixel might be getting viable competition Also wondering how this might change when/if the combat test snapshots start being implemented into the game _(it's been over 2 years since the last one Mojang)_

[@PeakApex]

play them (please)

[@AltraHapi]

Finally about time we get innovation in the server space

[@letthenonsensebegin]

nice

[@itsdidone]

if the combat tests gets added, I'll guarantee you I'll be quitting 1.8

[@PeakApex]

@@itsdidone well you can test em now

[@tmgmichaelyt]

What also makes this a little ironic is that the final version that Notch has worked on became one of the most popular versions to play.

[@CR7GOATofFootball]

Yes

[@baggerz6557]

Repent to God christ

[@michaelsam4239]

He didnt work on 1.8 though

[@joaquincespedes3073]

@@michaelsam4239 really? He was talking aborto Sell the gane in june 2014, 3 months before 1.8 full release, he wasnt working the last months?

[@jimmyharmel7448]

@@joaquincespedes3073 he sold the game before the full 1.8 release even came out. He had already stopped working on the game in general by the end of 2011.

[@usedtissuepaper42]

now that you mention it, a simple gamerule for changing the combat type would be amazing. or maybe something that you can only enable when you start a new world. there are literally no drawbacks to something like that, and would likely satisfy everyone in the community!

[@fakurai]

this is an AMAZING idea. like imagine a plug-in or something to switch what kind of PVP you use on a server like Hypixel. Tons of new building blocks they can use and more functions for gamemodes would be crazy

[@CiRdy34]

^^^^

[@truepixel__5927]

The problem with a gamerule for something as major as combat is that it will still split the playerbase and can be viewed from some perspectives as bad game design. Even if the playerbase was already split because of it, you might as well have a gamerule for everything like what updates to include or not; doing that would only further split the playerbase.

[@nebulaischilling]

I remember this q/a post or suggestion post on the minecraft website, one of the faqs was talking about a toggle able combat system, and well, the answer to the faq, was a very firm “no”, i remember it was some thing like “No, we do not plan on adding toggle able combat system anytime soon”, so its likely it won’t happen for a while. Kinda sad though, like you did say, it does not have many draw backs, and could please most of both sides of the community

[@mega_gamer93]

there is the generic.attack_speed attribute, which you can apply with the /attribute command, kinda like this /attribute @p minecraft:generic.attack_speed base set 1024 It's still not the same, but it's better, i guess

[@C-F]

As someone who wasn't fortunate enough to experience Minecraft myself until I became an adult a few years ago, I can only agree with the part about it feeling more intuitive, and IMO there's just a really nice flow to it, better than what on the surface seems like outspamming one another. I think it's also worth noting that the fact that many servers continued being based on 1.8 is also thanks to the fact that it was simply far less demanding than more recent versions of MC, so it catered to those preferring the old combat AND server maintainers.

[@ryan20028]

The combat update was just very controversial when it released with mass hate. There for sure are still those haters, but the group has fallen significantly. Many servers refused to update due to the fear of losing mass amounts of players.

[@tracer4b]

MC's performance didn't really take a big hit until 1.13 came out; the performance effects of that update are still felt today. That's why 2b2t is stuck on 1.12 for the foreseeable future

[@FantasmaNaranja]

nowadays there's plenty of plugins and third party mods like fabric's starlight that can actually make a server perform better than it did with 1.8 spigot

[@cricketandgraham8644]

I agree, honestly imo now you can't just spam like crazy to win

[@pajatime2403]

that is just rtered take if u think that 1.8 is just about who has higher cps it just tells me that u didnt play it nearly enough because cps isnt even that important yes more cps = less kb but movement and sprint reset is far far far more important then any amount of cps u could get one of best debuff players jewdah kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2WQcoV7r8aEq68 getting railed by nakoso only having like 10cps avg cps does matter but all people that try to defends mojangs combat update didnt even put 1k hours in the game before 1.9 as for other gamemodes as kitpvp factions whatever there is 1.9 and later updates also removed alot of things that were useful for 1.8 as rods became useless bow boosting isnt possible blockhitting was removed even if it wasnt as useful as it was in 1.7

[@mattthebongo]

It's very interesting to see how 1.9 is taking over, especially since overall there is a huge majority who use 1.8 style pvp, if we not only take older servers like hypixel into the picture, but also almost all of bedrock edition. There will still be a vast majority of 1.8 pvp players if bedrock doesn't get it's own pvp update, which I think is needed for both editions after so long. I personally play mostly bedrock, but I play java for certain servers as well, and I personally much prefer the 1.8 and bedrock style of pvp, they're a bit different but similar in principle. I personally wouldn't be happy if Mojang just ported over 1.9 pvp to bedrock, I think a brand new style is definitely needed for the future.

[@ypob2007]

Mojang can’t just port 1.9 combat into bedrock, because that would include mcpe, which would make mojang take a huge hit in the number of active players, as a lot of people play on mobile

[@realPurpleOrb]

@@ypob2007 They can't even port over the combat test style either due to the bow change

[@flamedramon68]

Bedrock team be like "We'll make 1.9 with 1.8 combat because we're lazy and can't add a cooldown bar"

[@ypob2007]

@@flamedramon68 not because they are lazy, it’s because pocket edition exists and is a large part of their money making

[@CommieComrade69]

Bedrock isn't really 1.8, its kind of its own thing. No blocking and knockback is very vertical With the limitations of phones I don't think they can really change combat all that much

[@s900o8]

I used to play 1.8 pvp a lot, but then, I started not playing minecraft, being busy with my life. When I came back, I became really rusty, and I was losing constantly. I switched to 1.9, and it was a lot easier to learn 1.9 pvp than 1.8.

[@gigabit6226]

1.9+ is easier to learn but equally difficult to master I'd say

[@baggerz6557]

Repent to God christ

[@stickman1695]

@Abird Pilguy I still don't understand why everyone says this. Play 1.8 a bit and record yourself or watch a 1.9+ player play 1.8, and you'll immediately see the reason you're not even aiming on the other person 90% of the time.

[@OfficalSammY1]

1.8 ON TOP

[@s900o8]

@@gigabit6226 agreed

[@ryanbasu59]

This made me cry as I have played for many many years, I remember when 1.8 came out and I was so excited! And as much as I love hermitcraft and the new frontiers of 1.20 and more, I still love the 1.8 pvp system and its a childhood memory for me...

[@rustydawgt]

I was just thinking about this, there’s been 11 updates since 1.8 and there’s been so much added to the game and like you said I haven’t seen any KZbinrs making any 1.8 pvp content anymore.

[@matthewmspace]

I don’t think it’ll ever completely go away. There will always be fans of those combat mechanics. But 1.8 is from 2015. Most of the younger players these days don’t even remember pre 1.9 combat. I didn’t start playing the game myself until 2020 lockdowns (when I was 24), and I honestly don’t feel the need to go back to the old versions unless it’s for mods I like (such as Fossils & Archaeology). It’s like a lot of games. Eventually games or modes that were once popular will start to fade away as newer versions comes out. The original Modern Warfare 2 came out in 2009. But only the really hardcore fans play that while most players will stick with MW 2019+. Or really, any old games like OG Doom, Counter Strike Source, Old School RuneScape, Warcraft Classic, etc. So in the end, you’ll probably end up with a small, but loyal base of players for 1.8 servers.

[@itsdidone]

I really don't care that much about 1.9 or 1.8 anymore as I don't necessarily play Minecraft anymore, but one thing I really would like to see come is the Combat Snapshots like Mojang, it's been 2 years and it looks so interesting.

[@OfficalSammY1]

1.8 ON TOP

[@zerotimeleft]

@@OfficalSammY1 no

[@Happy1speed]

I am very excited about the combat snapshots that seem to combine some of the aspects of both 1.8 and 1.9+ combat.

[@hawoi]

hope they bring back blockhitting

[@Happy1speed]

@@altanoone6925 Its not active right now, sadly. They will probably pick it up again soon, now that 1.17-1.19 seems to be done.

[@malachiomeletoe4320]

1.9 is good but please mojang, nerf the axe and improve the sword, I don't want a slow ugly looking axe as a weapon. Make sword crits disable shields too at least 2-3 seconds also make the sword a little tiny bit faster so we could combo.

[@sfisher923]

5:54 - The amount of times I got Comboed in Bedrock PvP (Which is still based on 1.8 but has 1.19+ stuff) so it's very much a struggle but at the same time it helped me get out of a tough PvE situation (Logged on to a YT member sever with 4 hearts due to a Drowned attacking me with his trident while I was on the connecting screen)

[@peter_verduin]

I think there is also something to be said for the insane skill gap between new players and the veterans that still play

[@Abingusus]

Im afraid of cheaters in 1.9. If you can easily recognize cheats in 1.8, its almost impossible in 1.9. I think its the main reason why 1.8 pvp will use for all non anarchy large servers. 1.8 anticheats are more relaible than 1.9

[@eliad6543]

@@Abingusus 1.8 anticheats have been more developed because more competitive server were on 1.8 and therefore there was a bigger need for 1.8 anticheats. It's not the version, it's how much demand there was for an anticheat for the version. If 1.9 competitive servers get more popular and face similar cheater problems, there will be more effort put into 1.9 anticheats and they would catch up. Also, maybe I just play in the right/wrong places, but I've only ever seen like 1 cheater on pvplegacy and many more on hypixel

[@aurniox]

@@eliad6543 he probably meant being able to know when your opponent cheats, since it might be harder to see closet cheaters on 1.19 Could be wrong tho since I havent seen cheaters on 1.19 before eithrr

[@eliad6543]

@@aurniox Yeah I've not seen cheaters on 1.9 either and part of me wants to think the community isn't competitive enough for cheating to spill over from the tryhard servers to the popular ones, if these are even gonna be two separate things But on top of that I'm not sure how it would be harder to spot on 1.9, it's probably gonna be 3.x block reach and 80-90% knockback again which is kinda the same for both systems?

[@ShiroCh_ID]

@@eliad6543 seems only Cheats that can be seems was AntiKB,KillAura,Always Crit,Always create Knowckback,Cooldown Reduction and Reach(wich is Very Very Blatant and Very Sus) and not to mention i bet that Auto Attack will be Undetectable since we can just code the cheats to just read the cooldown timer and Hits again once the timer goes off,something that Tweakroo has for Tech Survival Player like Schicraft AFK killing certain mobs that needs Looting 3 sword to obtain

[@arttukettunen5757]

Minecraft just has great desync between the client and the server on what your in-game location is. Ofc it is partly ping dependent like in every multiplayer game ever, but the desync here is greater than other forms of desync, especially when taking any sort of knockback and it matters way more than in a shooter game. 1.8's fast pvp mechanics use this and allow you to get comboed even outside your hit range. Desync still exists in 1.9+ but doesn't come into play nearly as much due to no combos

[@Gameriam100]

I for one love the newer pvp system. It makes pvp more fair to newer players while still keeping it hard for later on players.

[@KingJacob105]

no.

[@cricketandgraham8644]

@KingJacob15 why

[@uropig]

bad opinion

[@febsho9613]

L take just get goos 1.9 pvp is dogshit and will forever dogshit

[@lynxovski]

It also looks cooler when spectating.

[@JoePCool14]

The fact that 1.8 is still alive is comparable to how Smash Bros Melee is still alive. 1.8 will likely never completely die, but I think it will continue to decline. And as a player who picked up the game when Release 1.4 was around, I'm all here for it. I'd like to see big networks move on.

[@bobbyiscool]

I love the system but I seriously consider quitting because every popular server and game mode is infested with closet cheaters. Its so obvious they are cheating too and you can only combo/beat them if you trick them. It just isn't fun when you can't have fair PVP fights. I get it you can still do well using game sense or super high CPS and good ping/aim/timing, but being able to engage in even PVP fights even with lower CPS was what made it fun for most. It will die if the cheater problem isn't addressed.

[@maximud]

I'm kind of glad... back when 1.9 was new, I felt like one of the only people who wasn't whining about a pvp mechanic which honestly wasn't that bad, and the people who disliked it, as it seemed to me, were mostly just afraid of losing their dominance.

[@Camka427]

i was never a pvp person, but i prefer 1.8 because of the casual and less convoluted play style meant i can kind of chill and play single player, my own way.

[@pqx8982]

nothing hits like the old PVP mechanics. I wish I could go back to badlion in its prime.

[@stickman1695]

I prefer 1.8 personally because of the higher skill ceiling. My personal problem was all of the people who backed the update were all not very skilled. Like all top people preferred 1.8.

[@fosminclorin]

@@stickman1695 what skill does spam clicking require? Lol

[@SpectacularSpiderFan]

@@fosminclorin Alright, what skill does "Click-shield-click" require lol?

[@felixfernandez6676]

This was suggested to me while listening to the song “Dupe - International “ 🔥🔥

[@base13music]

love these documentaries

[@Funz]

god that champions montage from 2014 brought back memories. oh 2011-2014 minecraft… i miss it

[@fakepro5848]

I hope so, I can't believe how many servers are still held back by 1.8. The fact that hypixel modes like build battle are missing almost half the blocks available in modern versions just because people can't move on from 1.8 combat

[@ToasterOven.]

at this point all of hypixels playerbase is 1.8 oriented meaning a hard switch to 1.9 combat would take a big hit to their playerbase, also hypixels pvp gamemodes are fastpaced and would be more difficult to play on the new version

[@tobiaszpaprzycki8298]

1.16 is *DEAD* Edit: crystal pvp

[@ramanahveljeyaseelan5406]

​@@ToasterOven. ye, ngl bridge on 1.9 would he horrible

[@goobles64]

you can't just "move on" from 1.8

[@Thomas48484]

People have been asking for a gamerule to include 1.8.9 pvp for years now. It's crazy to me that you're blaming us the consumers, when we didn't ask for a combat update. Edit: Also the fact that the 1.8.9 pvp community has been ignored for years now, with any mention or suggestion of 1.8.9 gets silenced on the many forums such as reddit. During the combat update, and the upcoming new one the og pvp community never had any say, so how do you expect people to move on when you're constantly ignoring their existence. If Mojang wants to resolve the issue of people staying behind in 1.8.9, they'll need to communicate with the pvp communities to find a compromise which satisfies all.

[@feendog6900]

Arguably, although the straight combat of 1.8 might be more skillful, alththough 1.19 has so much more variation nowadays, that it could be said it is more skillful because of that. (Tridants, crossbows, elytras, ect). Also, although I do not perfer or like crystal pvp on servers, if you are an experianced player, it is way more skilled than any other area of pvp, and people are still finding more info about crystal and respawn anchors to this day. But yes, if you had a it of unenchanted diamond armor and a sword, (add an axe and sheild for 1.19), then pvp in 1.8 would require more skill.

[@samexahr3326]

1.8 was one of my favourite updates, more for what is added than what came after. I'm a builder so PvP changes don't really affect me. At the time I was concerned it would make everyday gameplay more tricky (with the cooldowns) but now I naturally delay my hits often to the extreme perhaps as a result of trying to used to 1.9. I think it's good that they are looking into improving the current system of combat, that will probably be what kills 1.8 combat outside of revisiting old versions for curiosity or nestogia. I say that but the new controversy is chat reporting, which may keep 1.8 combat going over a future combat update due to them both being related to multiplayer. Then again there are mods around these things and chat reporting doesn't tend to work on big servers anyway as I understand. I suppose older servers which run on older versions have the advantage of getting the players who play older versions as they can support players from 1.8 onwards.

[@bonkmaykr]

There's actually a really good plugin I used to use that did some tricks on the server-side to bring back 1.8 combat to 1.9+. You could even choose which mechanics you wanted to keep or replace with the old ones. I don't know if it still works on the latest version though, and I've heard that 1.9+ clients don't let you click as fast so comboing is harder. There needs to be a built in gamerule like you said to just use the old combat so we don't have janky solutions like this.

[@AgentIllusion73]

The one thing I could bring from 1.8 to later versions of the game was the no-cooldown attacking - and I could do this either by using /effect to give players a really high haste effect or (as of 1.16 and up) use /attribute to increase the base attack speed attribute of players. That said, while I enjoy both 1.8- and 1.9+ versions of PVP, I prefer a slightly more casual than competitive style of PVP.

[@thepengyknight]

Personally, I think that there is equal potential for skill in both versions, but I agree that there’s a higher skill average in 1.8 players. Additionally, this is sort of related, but I think that it’s a lot easier to have “chill pvp” in 1.9+ than 1.8, solely because most big 1.8 servers, like Hypixel & Lunar Network, are just infested with sweats. And while I’m not arguing that PVP Legacy doesn’t have its fair share too, I think there are also a lot of people just on to have fun & not necessarily to tryhard.

[@OfficalSammY1]

1.8 ON TOP

[@thepengyknight]

@@OfficalSammY1 no

[@zerotimeleft]

@@OfficalSammY1 no

[@Adi-mk2lq]

@@OfficalSammY1 no

[@deborty]

Personally, I started off on bedrock edition, playing mobile, and only recently got into Java and Java based PvP, and I think I can say the same thing happened to a lot of people, so they ended up learning the bedrock PvP mechanics, and since 1.8 is quite close to bedrock mechanics, it’s a lot easier to slightly change to 1.8 PvP mechanics, as to learning an entire new way to PvP, with 1.19. Also, later on you stated that it was much easier to learn 1.19 mechanics than 1.8, well I would like to beg to differ. It’s very very easy to just click to your hearts desire, and then if you feel like it, you can learn other things like fishing rod and snowballs, but with 1.19, you have to learn to perfectly time all of your clicks, and do so with 2 different weapons. Not only that, but you have to learn how to time your shield blocks with your hits, other wise, your just gonna never have your shield up when necessary and take loads of damage, or always have it up and never deal damage, all of which take a lot of time and effort to learn, most of that just being the basics, while 1.8 takes little to no time to learn the basics.

[@IB0i]

That's the thing; you can't win against the majority of other 1.8 players by _just_ spam clicking. It is a requirement to learn how to sprint reset, strafe, rod, and etc with skillful precision to consistently win. I feel that these base 1.8 mechanics used in almost every battle are notably harder to learn than many 1.16 PvP mechanics. Even if that statement is wrong, there's completely different PvP playstyles and modes in 1.16 PvP that give you another shot at starting to see some success against other players, compared to having to perform the same complicated mechanics in most 1.8 kits.

[@Flegz1]

Amazing video! Love your videos! Keep up the great work!

[@stephaniethebatter7975]

Something to note is that backporting and forward-porting mods are often available. ESPECIALLY for versions of the game that are popular with modders, such as 1.12. Using 1.12 as an example, there are mods adding content from future versions of the game up to at least 1.16. There's also mods that return the 1.8 combat mechanics to 1.12. So if some servers wanted 1.8 mechanics so bad, but didn't want to be using a super-dated version of Minecraft, mods like this were almost always an option.

[@lpfan4491]

Mods will always carry the legacy of the game. Nothing like exploring the farlands with controller support, even tho one thing was long removed and one was never officially added.

[@hdckighfkvhvgmk]

This feels a lot like the smash melee vs ultimate split. 1.8 may decrease in popularity as other versions become more and more appealing but there will still be a dedicated competitive playerbase for that version.

[@OfficalSammY1]

1.8 ON TOP

[@argonaww]

love me some melee

[@AlanusProductions]

1.8 will be remembered as one of the most unique multiplayer experiences in gaming

[@orbic521]

If we ever get a combat update sometime with the new mechanics from the combat snapshots, but a version of these that have even more depth and polish and it's a full scale update instead of some side snapshots, I can easily see it totally killing 1.8 PvP if it's good enough and fun and has a decent skill ceiling while still being easy to understand for newer players and still just as good for PvE as 1.9. There would simply be no reason to not upgrade unless you just for some reason still really really hardcore prefer the original Pvp. I hope an update like this does eventually come, as well as arriving with tons of server and fps optimizations, so most if not all major servers can finally get on modern versions.

[@jokroast6912]

In Minetest you can change or remove packages and there you go, there is your 1.8.9 style combat on Libre software.

[@stevik12]

This gives a lot of nostaigla, Great documentaries as always.

[@TheMithrandir]

One of the most unique things about 1.9+ combat is that it's incredibly accessible for new players, with intuitive mechanics and different hit sounds helping the player, while also having a very high skill ceiling with Crystal PVP and even high-level fights on Axe and Shield PVP. When I first started playing Java edition around 2 years ago, I started with 1.8 but just didn't understand *why* I was losing. With 1.9+, it was clear to see that my movement was bad or I was spam clicking or something like that and I was able to improve rapidly without tutorials and such (though those are still helpful). I know this is still somewhat controversial, but I think 1.9+ combat is better than 1.8 by a fairly large margin.

[@malachiomeletoe4320]

True, in 1.8.9 you wont figure how to become a pro without the internet, how would you know about sprint reset, combo, w tapping. How are we supposed to figure this out??

[@Jugement]

​​​​@@malachiomeletoe4320Fair point but it was still hellah more fun. Combos were the stuff. Also most newbies were bad because of poor aim/damage uptime making it easy to combo lock them. W tapping, strafing, and other speed/angle manipulation were mostly a tiebreaker between good players

[@malachiomeletoe4320]

@@Jugement true, its so fun when you learn it

[@melnewdemon4873]

Honestly, making a combat mode toggle in game rules would be interesting. Then servers could pick or even splice the differences in combat depending on how the settings are set up.

[@ruggeropalumbo2432]

no it would be trash, servers would all pick the old system and 1.9+ pvp would die

[@minli3562]

@@ruggeropalumbo2432 nah, thats bullshit. the old combat system may be appealing to a wide player base, but the new pvp system is enjoyed by lots of players already. If the split system happens thou, I believe that 19+ pvp will not die, especially for some many gamemodes

[@_Killkor]

I used to frequent Mineplex Survival Games back in 2014, during the 1.6/1.7 PvP era. Back then, strafing was the meta, and fishing rodding was still in relative infancy. I and and a small circle of Mineplex PvPers discovered that hitting at just the right frequency allowed our hits to be registered twice as fast as for other players who hit normally. I remember becoming so good at this meta, that it allowed me to accumulate the back then impressive 11k+ overall kills in SG, which made me one of the best players for a while. It also made us prime suspects for killaura hacks, lmao. I've had so much fun doing this, good old times. I remember how I was getting more frustrated with new players, the fishing rodders and especially the sweaty sprint resetters - I could no longer hit them. That was the end of the true strafers era. I feel great nostalgia, whenever I see some recording of the good old Mineplex SG. All those players who say that 1.8 PvP is just spamclicking have no clue what they're talking about.

[@acid1910]

At first, when 1.9 was released, I hated the new system. Especially how they removed sword blocking, as it was somewhat of a universal peace sign. Looking back now, I realised how stupid the 1.8 PVP system was. You just spam your mouse until someone dies or their hand starts to hurt and they give up lol

[@stanislausklim7794]

I still think they should add back the sword blocking, just for the social aspect, not the combat aspect.

[@minli3562]

@@stanislausklim7794 people can always shift

[@minli3562]

@@stanislausklim7794 thou sword blocking can be replaced with the sword and shield skill where quickly spamming both left and right mouse button can give off 90%protection and quick sword crits.

[@darkestccino5405]

Probably my most unpopular Minecraft opinion: pre 1.9 PVP is the worst PVP experience I have ever had in a video game. You can have your cursor perfectly aligned on the enemy and be clicking as fast as you can, but every single attack you perform just phases through the enemy whilst every single attack they do hits you. What were you doing wrong? You weren't spam clicking the the correct way. What's the difference between spam clicking the correct way and spam clicking the incorrect way? I don't know, just throw yourself into PVP again and hope this time you do spam click the correct way while you have very little feedback. Even playing tactically won't help you. I have had times where I snuck up on someone looking in a chest, opened the fight with a critical hit, and continued hitting them while they were still interacting with the chest. But despite doing a perfect ambush, the enemy still manages to turn around, hit me once, and then I suddenly can no longer land a single attack as they kill me with no problem.

[@doodlebob3374]

You're just bad

[@Tornnnado]

bro you got straightlined

[@smacpats6379]

yeah i think you were playing on laggy servers or a bad internet connection, what you're describing does not happen.

[@i-fu9yg]

@@smacpats6379 he's probably talking about getting comboed and I don't blame him because combo mechanics are basically incomprehensible for newbies.

[@Jugement]

You werent W tapping nor strafing, thats it. They out positioned you and manipulated their speed so they stayed out of your range while keeping you in theirs. You got the basics, you just fell short of mastering what differentiates good players. Proper aim and damage uptime was still enough to steamroll through 75%+ of players back then on gamemodes without a matchmaking system tho. You aren't being completely honnest

[@cosbronaut4405]

It sucks that the new combat is mandatory and makes some enemies (baby zombies) a lot more difficult to deal with for no reason. But I think as time goes on people just start to get used to and start to enjoy the variety and some strategy that the new combat brings. I really do want improvements and I wonder why Jeb hasn’t updated it in a while

[@IamBrocco]

i didn't only play both types of pvp, but i also see the future in 3 pvp types (1.8, 1.9+ and combat snapshots) because, although some are dying, but someone in the future may stumble across 1.8 out of curiosity, and maybe get it trending again.. or maybe even get the oldschool lets plays back

[@CoolerFN15]

"Minecraft 1.9+ pvp is finally more popular than 1.8-" "We have added the new combat snapshots into the main game!" just imagine

[@alexg9601]

Then 1.8 would be dead for good and Minecraft would be set free of that cancer

[@figboot]

@@alexg9601 1.8? cancer? who hurt you?

[@profx33]

Juzst because people play it doesnt mean that it is good and we wouldnt have a problem if people would just switch to the newer combat 1.8 people are switching anyways and i think most people play 1.19 not only because of the pvp, but because it is the latest version and the bedrock players will be forced to switch anyways so i think that a new combat update wouldnt really divide the community

[@nate0___]

My friend told me that I quit pvp because I was bad, but in reality I was getting bored. Even if I was indeed the best terrible player, I don't see any enjoyment. There was just one loop everytime. Play - launch - queue - kill - win/lose - continue playing - quit - bored - repeat PVP has grown on me, since I've started playing 2 years ago and I've officially retired. I just want to play survival which isn't that stressful

[@KwikBR]

survival all good till you join an smp, then its more pvp then you can imagine

[@pizzahound2444]

I remember I used to play 1.8 pvp all the time in 2020-2021, even when 1.9 was out and thriving. I can’t remember exactly when I started the switch to 1.9 pvp, but I can say for sure that I have to played it in quite some time now.

[@GroguGamer20]

yesterday i played 1.7 LOTR in the overworld and it felt very fun like it showed me that the combat updates are something that is greatly needed and is greatly received. the LOTR mod adds combat delay which makes it challenging as well as armour and tool attributes and i was only fighting zombies and skeletons lol. so anyway i think i find the newer updates sometimes overwelming and its nice to step back and relax and look at the simpler times.

[@max_208]

Another thing in your poll that favours 1.8 PvP is that the 1.8 PvP community is far more entranched in their position, you won't find many moderate 1.8 PvP fans, on the other hand most of the 1.9+ PvP community are just casual players that don't have a strong passion for 1.9+ PvP so don't necessarily vote for in the poll at all

[@welpyes]

as an og player 1.9+ pvp is not that bad tbh. its just a different playstyle where everyone that has 4cps has a chance. although i hate the crouching bc I can't bridge as good as in 1.8

[@TastyGuava]

I really think that Mojang should just add advanced game rules that let servers pick between 1.7/1.8/1.9+ PvP protocols so we can have all servers update to all servers with the new content and removing having to support so many versions while allowing to pick what pvp protocol per gamemode

[@edelzocker8169]

Servers can use the "OldCombatMechanics"-plugin to disable the cooldown and off-hand

[@koolkatzjoey1717]

Honestly, I like the 1.9+ pvp more. Its clean, reasonable, and its kinda better for you health, as spamming your mouse as hard as you can is not ideal and it can hurt your hand.

[@shrumm_]

its not just about spamming your hand tho

[@__En__]

@@shrumm_ it's a big part though, and doesn't it affect your kb too idk why but

[@shrumm_]

@washed bruh I’m not tying to be toxic or anything I just want to mention it

[@shrumm_]

Also do you want me to explain 1.8 pvp?

[@argy7526]

@@pringle409 you know in 1.7 and 1.8 the pvp happens with rods if you dont know how to use it you are dead so yes it is not only spamming click (or if it is pot pvp you need to use pots at the right time, if it is uhc you need to use rod and gaps at the right time, if it is skywars it is chaos)

[@connectivity_issue]

where did the promised second combat update go? why has mojang seemingly abandoned what would make everyone more happy than having just the choice between the two? im still holding out for it, but my hope is fading. 1.9+ combat is unarguably better for pve but pve has never been what people cared about balancing. with shields and stronger armor prolonging fights, and so much potential to use supplies mid fight , many engagements between similar skilled players are decided entirely by who brought more stuff. 1.8 isnt without its flaws, most notably the unintuitive nature of it, as mentioned in this video, but at least the high skill ceiling gives people something to continuously meaningfully practice towards. the second combat update snapshots showed a glimpse of what could be the best of both worlds, something with both a reasonable skill floor, and a ceiling more than head height above it.

[@LineOfThy]

1.9 also has a high skill ceiling wdym, also, just because it hasn't come out yet doesn't mean it's abandoned.

[@connectivity_issue]

@@LineOfThy a high skill ceiling from what, crystals? inventory management? when you add such a sheer amount of things to do, yes, you can raise the ceiling but at the cost of bringing the floor part of the way with it, thus adapting the largest flaw of the other option, unintuitiveness. and i know the snapshots havent been abandoned by the community, as there are a few servers running them, but mojang has a track record of promising things in the vague future without any of them being ever touched even to this day. my hope hasnt burned out yet, but its only a dimming ember at this point.

[@LineOfThy]

@@connectivity_issue like, y'know... PVP

[@franzgrafconradvonhotzendo7494]

I remember asking u to make this video in the discord well thank u

[@thestateleader5333]

I came back to Minecraft and pvp as a teenager last year, and I could never get far playing Hypixel pvp unless I was fighting friends. However, I found the logic along with skill needed for 1.9 made sense and were simply more enjoyable to me

[@OfficalSammY1]

1.8 ON TOP

[@HaReX277]

Yea 1.9 skill issue

[@patrikcath1025]

I've used both and I've absolutely preferred the "new" combat since its release. With the old combat, you'd simply get destroyed with no chance to fight back unless you focused on PVP to some extent. And even then you'd still get destroyed with no chance to fight back, just less often. 1.9 PVP seems a lot easier to learn not just because it's more intuitive but because click speed isn't such a central part of it to the point where clicking slowly makes you useless.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

Precisely. You don't see people complaining about the removal of machine gun bows, despite it functionally being the same change.

[@kytalternativa102]

so its a noob update basically

[@vgmixer7593]

@@kytalternativa102 ok mr. vibrating finger, keep breaking your finger if you want. I would like more variation in combat gameplay, thanks.

[@kytalternativa102]

@@vgmixer7593 I just see a skill issue here :)

[@TheMasterIsHere]

@@kytalternativa102 Yes.

[@gamermapper]

I think it's also interesting to learn about 1.7.10 and 1.12.2, both considered Golden versions of mods, whether they're still popular or not for modded let's plays

[@Myer2011]

Woooooooo new mister epic video Do a video on minecrafts most popular skins

[@VectorJW9260]

Unpopular opinion: The 1.9 combat changes are good and they make combat more interesting

[@KwikBR]

thats a popular opinion.. the whole point of the video is him saying that people like that

[@eppeltsy8403]

When I got into bw on 2018 it was almost impossible. I kept being first rushed by "sweats" every game. I still pushed through and now I have 500+ hours of playtime with bw. These days The situation is Even worse. I don't think it is reasonable for new players to lose The first 200 of their games.

[@hotrodrory1]

I grew up with the 1.8 combat and the nostalgia of it still runs deep in my memory and I will always prefer it to the new updates but as a survival/SMP player there just isn't any servers left that still run the 1.8 combat or they disable pvp entirely, although I have no hate to the cooldown pvp system because it is easy to learn the crystal pvp aspect just ruins it completely for me as the fight ends so quickly

[@KwikBR]

mojang is trying to fix crystals, for example they made it so shields block crystals now

[@connie4334]

It’s about time. I never missed the old combat system. Never found spam clicking very engaging.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

Agreed. Though I have come up with an idea about stance determining attack timing and damage type. Fast, medium, and strong. Being able to toggle between the stances could provide a rather dynamic way to do the present combat, keeping cooldowns and crit importance while allowing for faster attacks that aren't bee stings. It would be pretty easy to streamline to boot. Further proof of how good of an implementation this could be is that it goes in line with the best lightsaber combat from any star wars game, the jedi academy series. I'm not saying new animations, just changes in cooldowns and damage values at perfect timing.

[@netherhunter945]

I think why 1.9 was so hated was because you had to relearn the pvp system again, and why 1.8 lasted so long was because people saw the hate it was getting. But when 1.8 skill ceiling became higher and higher new players wanted to win, and they had a completely different version of pvp to play in.

[@OfficalSammY1]

1.8 ON TOP

[@ramanahveljeyaseelan5406]

​@@OfficalSammY1 ye, but 1.9 pvp is so much easier.

[@zerotimeleft]

@@OfficalSammY1 final comment, s p a m e r

[@OfficalSammY1]

@@zerotimeleft ITS NOT SAMMING THERE IS so much more to it, stay skill gapped u little knob

[@ShadyKoi]

Definetly one of the videos of all time

[@ThatNoobKing]

Do you have a video to show how 1.8 combat works, cuz I fail to see how 1.8 is more than just a spamming contest _(with a bit of timing of the fishing rod/snowball)_

[@DannyCheezits]

I hate 1.8 pvp but a lot of it is about positioning and timing since knockback is so important for not getting combo'd in 2 seconds by an emo weeb sweat who skips middle school to grind hypixel ranks

[@jasonso2056]

I only started playing Minecraft in 2015 a year before 1.9, so in terms of vanilla Minecraft, 1.9's combat is what I'm most used to, especially since I follow a lot of KZbinrs that play on the latest updates (Hermitcraft, Empires SMP, etc.) and am a regular watcher of MCC. However, I still did play primarily on 1.8-combat servers up until a few years ago when I found PVP Legacy (through one of your videos I think) and decided to give 1.9 PVP a good chance. I'd say 1.9 is superior when it comes to the sheer amount of options you have for combat at your disposal. You've got End Crystals and exploding respawn anchors or beds, as well as tridents, crossbows, firework rockets, elytra, and the list goes on. 1.8 combat may be what a lot of older players are used to, but they miss out on all these options if they choose to play that version (unless a plugin is used to implement 1.8 PVP onto a 1.9+ server, but that's probably quite rare).

[@samherken]

I like the 1.9+ cooldown because it feels smooth and has less strain on my fingers. The need for timing hits makes it feel more involved and skill based compared to clicking at 30cps to win.

[@OfficalSammY1]

1.8 ON TOP

[@sacrificeyourself7134]

cps doesnt even matter you can have 1000 cps and still lose

[@eggycarrot]

lol true but 1.9 still strains my left hand for the strafes and the s taps T-T

[@MishaGold]

Bedrock, meanwhile, still have 1.8 PvP. So it doesn't look like it's going to die for this side of community.

[@SantiPowerShow26]

Yes,only said the java edtion

[@flamedramon68]

Remember when the dev team said "They couldn't add the cooldown" to bedrock? 🙄

[@MishaGold]

Also I've seen that new combat is not that intuitive. New players, as I can see, are still trying to quickly click to deal damage, and they have to be told that the cooldown reduces damage.

[@sergodobro2569]

This is astonishing that in my mind 1.8 is forever a new version but it was so many years! Started playing since 1.5.2

[@Hectilli0n]

7:53 I remember seeing you on minerival and was wondering what you were doing lol

[@Yoda_16358]

4:41 Though I do prefer 1.9+ PvP, I don't think the basic mechanics of it are more intuitive. In 1.8, each time you hit the enemy with your sword, you do a set amount of damage. In 1.9, you have to wait for the attack indicator to fill before you do full damage. Though this makes sense, the game doesn't explain it anywhere, and I see many new players trying to spam click in 1.9+ PvP because in most games don't have the attack cooldown the way Minecraft does (most games I've played either deal a similar amount of damage on each hit no matter the speed, or have a set attack speed that stops you from attacking faster than this set speed). Also, I feel like it's more intuitive to have swords do more damage than axes, because when people think swords they think combat, but when they think axes they might think combat, but many would think of it primarily as a tool for chopping wood (though this point is somewhat negated because Minecraft does tell you the damage values of the weapon). That's just my experience though, and the point about the other points of 1.8 being less intuitive makes sense to me.

[@__En__]

The weapons have set attack speeds though, the difference is you can't just hold down, you have to time each hit

[@jack---]

@@__En__ you obviously dont know shit about 1.8 do you lol? you cant just hold dont left click, you gotta click for every hit…..

[@Yoda_16358]

@@__En__ Yes, I get that. And I like that. But I don't think Minecraft explains it very well to new players. Most games I've played don't let you attack faster than its attack speed. Like, if you try to click before the attack cooldown recovers, your click does nothing. In Minecraft, you can attack faster, you'll just do less damage. Again, I like the mechanic, I just don't think it's intuitive.

[@__En__]

@@jack--- I wasn't talking about 1.8, I was talking about attack speeds. Sometimes if games have attack speeds, you hold down and they attack on time

[@jack---]

@@__En__ oh, well i dont hate 1.9 pvp or anything i think it works great for vanilla survival. but when i try to actually pvp on 1.9 servers i find it so much more unintresting and boring compared to 1.8, just my opinion tho

[@Axe879]

About the ''they will get comboed to death and be frustrated.'' Smart people will realize theres more room for improvement and your showing a clip of one of the most popular / sweaty servers for 1.8 pvp instead of hypixel which has plenty of said noobs

[@alebroom]

Im sure pretty combat and overall animations will change in the next updates 👀👀 They added frame animations in 1.19, trainguy a creator of an amazing animation mod stop working on it sudenly quite curious and they already have talk about making that change

[@twomur_]

i’ve always been a methodical thinker so 1.9+ PVP has always felt so much more rewarding and I much prefer it over 1.8 but I can see the appeal of the fast pace crack head PVP of 1.8 lol

[@vegmonster]

Amazing video

[@Adam_X78]

Thanks

[@XiX_Mega_W]

@@Adam_X78 what

[@_5urrendered]

@@XiX_Mega_W its probably a bot

[@Adam_X78]

@@XiX_Mega_W It’s a joke

[@duality4y]

i felt like the combatsnapshots were on track, i played them for a while

[@Kavaitsu]

A bit weird to see you only have close to half a million subscribers. I watch all your videos because I think you're one of the best

[@SimplCup]

1.8 combat is about reflexes development. The more you play it, the better your reaction and speed becomes. 1.9 is about strategy. You need to create new strategies to defeat your opponent. That's why i enjoy 1.9 pvp more (but that shield delay still sucks, lol)

[@galactic800]

TheMisterEpic you are forgetting that bedrock is just 1.8 pvp with some 1.9 elements likes shields and end crystals and also has more players than Java to the availability on more platforms

[@fitmotheyap]

Well I noticed something is wrong with the textures and *bedrock specific features* He might not know they have 1.8 pvp ig Not to mention the unfairness since you can't change your version on bedrock so if they were ever to change to 1.9 then what do you do, there isn't a choice

[@lpfan4491]

@@fitmotheyap There is a fanmade launcher on PC. On consoles tho, yeah, the player is just SooL

[@TheOrigamiGenius]

If the new combat update Mojang has put aside for now gets released, I think the 1.8 and 1.9 PVP situation will occur again

[@yeeiyeei3193]

I love minecraft and everything about it but that 1.8 pvp is something else, i will never forget those skywar games me and my friends had ,the adrenaline rush everything had to be done fast and with precision.

[@infinitiez]

i wont say dying but defiently a decline

[@entropic-decay]

honestly, as someone who preferred 1.9+ combat since 1.9 came into existence, I'm happy to see the decline of 1.8 combat. the one thing I wish 1.9+ combat had that 1.8 combat has is swords being able to block at least to an extent. well, that and sprint knockback. and before anyone says anything about me not having experienced 1.8 pvp, I've been playing the game since beta.

[@fitmotheyap]

I agree on the knockback part, it was a huge part of pvp and they should bring it back

[@McFroger3]

Is it just me or does the way TheMisterEpic asks for subs seem so seamless, like it just fits. My random thought while watching.

[@Catalyst5]

Personally Mr. Epic I have played mcpe (Minecraft pocket edition) since 2012 and I have a pretty good understanding of 1.8, 1.9, and crystal pvp methods. On mobile for me at least crystal pvp is easy and we have a combination of 1.9 and 1.8 combat systems. Like the strongest weapons are a trident with impaling 5 bc if a target is in water you do around 3 hearts of damage to a full prot 4 netherite player and a multi shot crossbow with instant damage 2 arrows bc if you hit all 3 u can almost kill anyone in fact at 1 point it even killed through totems. I think if you made some minor tweaks to our system on bedrock edition you could get a nice hybrid of both that would satisfy players criteria.

[@cyclone141]

No matter what people say, 1.8 combat will always be my favourite. All those hours I spent playing the old cooldown-less, shield-less Xbox Minecraft with my friends on the couch taught me that having fun is better than arguing about some update. We enjoyed our fast-paced intense battles because it was fun, we never cared if it was 'no skill only spam'. I wish I could make a mod that mixes both combat styles, making the sword fast and spammy, and the axe+shield combo being the slower but more powerful option, but I can't code for shit.

[@ramanahveljeyaseelan5406]

Ngl whenever people say 1.8 is all spam that just means they don't know how to play it. Which is why people say 1.9 pvp is easier than 1.8. But infact 1.8 is way harder.

[@goobles64]

@@ramanahveljeyaseelan5406 trueee

[@GlitchRN]

there currently is a command that allows 1.8 style PvP on newer versions, the /attribute command. with this command you can change a players base attack speed to a really high number essentially enabling 1.8 style PvP.

[@coluzea]

this works in theory, but in practice it's really nothing alike. you need plugins to simulate the knockback behavior

[@oworandom]

@@coluzea not to mention how clunky that command is in practice

[@coluzea]

@@oworandom and not to mention throwable entities being affected by momentum

[@ToasterOven.]

not to mention the blocking sword sytem

[@Decobra-]

I mainly just agree with what @asimoa tweeted and think that 1.8s general playerbase is too good for it's own health I did try out 1.9 and became decent at it pretty fast which further implies that it is more intuitive, but personally I cannot get myself too like it all that much. and then you have the combat test snapshots which I mainly play now and they are amazing! there is so much potential and it already does feel miles better then 1.8 and 1.9

[@dan2800]

From development standpoint in never version the spigot API is sooo much better for example you don't need to do NMS particles in 1.8 now you have simple API for it, more events to use for detecting things etc..

[@DeclanCunningham]

This is a good and bad thing I think. It’s cool that 1.9 pvp is getting bigger and growing because it overall grows the Minecraft pvp community since most people play in the newest version. However it’s sad to see the 1.8 pvp styles die. Learn this 1.8 style now and enjoy it while you can before this art is lost. Or at least not practiced.

[@OfficalSammY1]

1.8 ON TOP

[@DeclanCunningham]

@@OfficalSammY1 yes

[@schmuglbub]

I have been active in both PVP communities over the past 8 years, and although 1.9+ is pretty fun, 1.8 is still my preference. Mojang has repeatedly proven that they will not listen to the community on anything multiplayer related, so somebody needs to make a mod for 1.19 (or some version after) that uses 1.8 PVP mechanics, knockback, and movement on the latest version. Im suprised nobody has tried this, even if it would be very hard.

[@blackcastaway500]

Another thing to note is hypixel, the most popular 1.8 pvp server, has level scaling which pairs lower level players with other low level players. There are still several 1.8 pvp youtubers out there which means that players still can learn from them regarding mechanics in 1.8 pvp

[@DerAustor01]

The reason why it falling off from the cliff it could be that people adapt the 1.9 pvp and gotten rusty when is fast clicking pvp

[@scarletpathcat]

I've never liked PvP, so the 1.9+ combat has always felt better to me. Far more balanced. When farming large numbers of mobs, I'd much prefer to use a sweeping edge sword and kill the whole clump in a couple clicks, rather then clinking time and time again. And all the little rules become second nature naturally- you don't have to learn anything outside of the game to be at least decent. Not to mention that as someone with anxiety that combat can set on high... yeah, being able to actually get at least one hit in edgewise is nice, even if I'll never be great in PvP lol

[@ish_]

Oh yeah I think most people prefer 1.9 for single player worlds/pve

[@GregorianMG]

For PVE, it's absolutely amazing, but for PvP... I can see why people dislikes it.

[@Chase.Rosser]

1.8 pvp (edit) I forgot to write the rest of the comment :-;

[@rosewhite7652]

As someone who has been playing since 1.7 I think new mini game servers will be a well needed refresh as hypixel is an unrivaled giant currently and there needs to be more diversity that will be a seldom sight to see when tubnet and the mcc server release.

[@KwikBR]

tubnet released 2 days ago-

[@Gandhi_Physique]

I can't even play pre 1.16.5 anymore, let alone 1.8. So many QOL features just vanish. I would love to play the Tekkit modpack from like 1.4, but it is just so painful to play now imo.

[@kailajanecic9148]

I really hope 1.8 doesn't die

[@BallisticWistfully]

I hope it does. We’ve been stuck on this version for years.

[@fitmotheyap]

@@BallisticWistfully yeah but.. some minigames are simply better with 1.8 pvp, tho they are not really played: mineplex the briidges and turf wars

[@doodlebob3374]

@@BallisticWistfully Because it's the best version

[@AJCubing]

@@BallisticWistfully 1.8 is good for fast paced and sweats, and 1.9 is good for new players

[@BallisticWistfully]

@@fitmotheyap The combat snapshot would be good for that

[@Dmanepic]

Again im curious, why do you separate cpvp from 1.18 pvp

[@Florthy]

crystal pvp was popular before you can craft it

[@Florthy]

well not popular but people did it

[@Dmanepic]

@@Florthywdym, crystal pvp wasnt a thing before you could craft it

[@Florthy]

@@Dmanepic it was

[@Dmanepic]

@@Florthy explain than how, other than traps