Is Modern Controls Zangief worthy of the Hype? - Street Fighter 6

[@rooflemonger]

Due to OVERWHELMING DEMAND, I guess its finally time to talk about Modern Controls Zangief. Its probably the single thing I have been asked the most about so screw it, lets do it. Lets talk in depth about Modern Controls Zangief, and if he's worthy of the hype/fear/controversy surrounding him!

[@evalangley3985]

Capcom needs to offer an HYBRID of Modern and Classic. I would definitely use a ONE button Specials and Arts just to give me an edge like JP with Amnesia on a single button when required. I will still play the classic way, but those specific instances giving you an edge are interesting.

[@Grogeous_Maximus]

I still don't get what modern controls actually are, but I'll probably just stick with what I know, anyway.

[@Mene0]

You should go for this kinda stuff more often, I feel like it gets the clicks without being clickbaity haha

[@Saskaruto16]

I get Legacy and all, but 720 is and always has been a stupid input. With new controllers like hitbox making it consistent to get standing 720, and modern controls making it super easy, just let everyone do it if that's a tool they want him to have access to now just raw. If it was still a longer input but didn't need to leave the ground say like Strives standard super input of half circle back into forward (632146) it would still accomplish the same thing of making it slower without the massive disparity in capability based on controller or control scheme which is ridiculous.

[@Necroscat]

@@Saskaruto16 Justin Wong himself even says it's just the way to go with Zangief, because 1 button specials have the advantage because your combos with him aren't too complex

[@repstylegaming9730]

If you’re not messing up your inputs for SPDs, are you really getting the full zangief experience?

[@Quinmcgaming]

One does not Simply Grab without the jumping SPd

[@jonahblock]

You just made me feel better. I keep messing up but it feels so good when I hit it

[@repstylegaming9730]

@@jonahblock You got this bro. Sometimes I can only do it after a jump. Keep SPDs going my friend.

[@diegocm8636]

The fact that you showed Modern Controls with the Classic costume gief and Classic Controls with the Modern costume gief made my brain go mush

[@onlyonehere555]

I would love to see a modern/classic evaluation for a bunch of characters, I think there's someone on the roster that would legit benefit from modern but I'm not gonna test it 😅

[@rooflemonger]

I might just go through the roster now that I finally bit the bullet and looked at modern, and figure out whose really viable and who isn't

[@lamMeTV]

@@rooflemonger I wanna know what Manon loses!

[@GeneralThunderbolt]

Modern luke is probably the best of the bunch plus a few others like lily, marisa and guile. Common trend is that these characters are simple and don't have much to lose

[@TheAmazingHow]

@@rooflemonger just a suggestion, Modern Ken seems to really piss people off. He should be next (I play Modern Ken)

[@Mario_bland]

Modern manon suprisingly loses alot for a character who is pretty simple to begin with

[@phdbot4483]

It was funny speculating the potential of Modern Zangief and his one-button SPDs. Turns out one-button 720s are amazing for catching people in ways most classic Zangiefs can't do consistently. In the end, I stuck with the classic controls, because Zangief needs all the options he can get. My practice with buffering his 360s and 720s have paid off in the end!

[@gp381]

This. I tried both on Zangief since he's my main. Although the 360 and 720 are the most beneficial. I feel like he's better on classic and has more options

[@chibinya]

@@gp381 I tried it too and hated it. I want stand HK! And the combos with Air SPD were basically impossible (and its all the good ones)

[@TSE_WOODY]

The actual 360 is so easy on stick if you do the 270 shortcut

[@timberwolfbrother]

getting that 720 out of block is amazing

[@chrisb8698]

So to summarize, the main benefits of modern control Gief would be reaction supers and SPDs that could situationally boost your neutral game, however, that boost is negated by the loss of some of his key neutral pokes.

[@chrisb8698]

Good players trying to abuse modern controls would have to deal with a stripped neutral kit and see if the new tools that do scaled damage are worth it. Most have said no... New players, however, get one heck of a skill floor to start at.

[@christopherjones7023]

@@chrisb8698 ya know, that might be kinda the main idea behind modern controls. It lets you get a feel for the basics of SF without making you memorize motion inputs or how to chain combos. At the same time, it gives you space to learn those things, at least to a point. Personally, I've been playing SF for YEARS, probably over 2 decades, and naturally gravitate toward Classic and kinda hate modern tbh. but I DO see its appeal.

[@dyldragon1]

Definitely don't think it's worth it at the end if you're trying to optimize, but Gief for sure is playable for a long time for someone starting with Modern Controls

[@TheLeroy125]

As a modern gief player there are a few issues to just playing gief in the current game that modern doesn't make any better or worse. - 1 button reaction super punishes are great, the downside is that gief's supers are unbelievable wonky and very often whiff or trade incorrectly so you are really won't be getting the mileage you assume from them. - 1 button SPDs suffer from a similar issue, the OD version is great, however the regular 1 button version is the H version which is severely lacking in range so i find myself most often using the actual SPD input with L to get the range on the L spd which you need desperately. - the loss of some of those normals hurts in some matchups, but the biggest issue for both Modern and classic gief is that some of his best mid range pokes are not cancellable leaving him very susceptible to DI counters. So in short, modern gief (like other modern characters) is a great way to learn to actually play the game without the high execution threshold holding you back. But he is not a menace unless you're swimming around in bronze or low silver where people don't know how to jump command throws.

[@Limbaugh_]

@@chrisb8698yeah this is my first fighting game and I’m only silver, but it just seems that modern carries through the low ranks but equalizes as it gets higher

[@GeneralThunderbolt]

Would love to see modern review of all characters not just from a newbie standpoint but for an experienced player who does all the motion inputs but only uses the shortcuts for super / special one button reaction punishes. For example Tokido uses modern luke in this way

[@rooflemonger]

I really, really was never gonna make any videos about modern controls because honestly they are just not for me as an oldhead. That said I am a man of the people and enough people have asked thus here is the video. Long story short, I still don't buy into it for the reasons laid out in the video, but if modern gief is good by you, then I hope you have fun with him!

[@CrossfacePanda]

I’m never giving up 20% damage on my SPDs even if the easier input ends up being better. I’ll stay churning that butter, boss.

[@rookie1405]

Not a Gief player but managed to get him into gold 4 after the 10 placement matches. Game plan at low level is pretty basic. Spd until they start jumping then hit them with the AA super. Doesn’t do a lot of damage but the way he slams you down must do severe mental damage because they don’t want to jump again. And then I repeat the 1 button spd 😅

[@SlothWindGod]

AA 360 K does the same effect but with more mental damage because they feel they got "reacted" to

[@Gokulover69420]

Man people were losing it over modern Zangief before launch. Glad I was right in saying the tools and damage he’d lose is too valuable to give up if you can consistently do 360 motions

[@dmitrisemenoff6455]

Excited to watch that one, your content's always fire

[@Zephz43]

I'm waiting on the deeper dive at Zangief! Though I understand that you still have a lot of content to go through.

[@jakobmann1497]

I agree with everything you said. To me, modern controls are not meant to be a serious alternative to classic controls, they are meant to be used like training wheels for new players to bridge the time until they feel comfortable switching to classic controls. Once you play against more experienced players, you'll need all the tools you can get.

[@chibinya]

meanwhile, Tokido...

[@adriandenton6637]

That's pretty naïve. They'll just get abused and be looked at if they can be used as an advantage. And also used to troll lower ranks. Thats 'modern' gaming.

[@shai310]

Agreed, despite everything Rooflemonger said about modern Zangief I think the fact modern controls still gives you the ability to input the move yourself will surely entice players to try out Zangief. Imo he's one of the characters you're afraid to approach as a new player because the 360 input isn't easy for everyone to get off consistently, but imo modern can help you with trying it out.

[@ironicmilktea]

Im pretty sure theres a top player using modern controls

[@LeSpy877]

@@shai310 I agree that it should help out new players with the 360 inputs, but I don't think they should make it so easy that it's only one button. A 20% dmg reduction and having only one version of it is not a good enough nerf imo. It almost feels like cheating to an extent, and this is coming from someone who only plays modern zangief.

[@cephuwu]

These are the kinda vids I'm looking for ty

[@zedek_]

There is certainly a benefit to using Modern even if you can do SPD normally. You can pick and choose when to go for damage, or prioritize footsies wiff punishing. Like if you were to use a setup, you could go normal SPD. Else, you're just ready to use the fast version.

[@SlothWindGod]

You forget that you have less buttons to use as compared to classic. Modern is good for reducing the option overload for new players imo

[@rooflemonger]

You lose some of your best footsies buttons though, so the neutral is already much weaker

[@Nicomartz52]

Insta súper Is your best footsie.

[@slivovitz1683]

It's useless. If you want to be good with gief you have to learn this stuff anyway so why waste your time with a scaled easy mode combo This is more for casual players who have no intention of being competitive

[@nothingineternityterms]

@@slivovitz1683 This is a very narrowminded view of how people learn to play games.

[@GurtGobain]

I placed Bronze 2 with Zangief on Modern controls, doing only triangle, triangle + back and random drive impacts. My highest placement on any other character was Iron 3, and I've done eight characters.

[@ignap]

3:35 "for reference, the medium version" Proceeds muscle memory to use the simple input instead

[@BlueJGilbert]

My youngest son is 6 and LOVES Zangief. He also plays on Modern. He has felt left out of fighting games when I play with his younger brother or when we play with his uncles. Now he gets to feels included, and thanks to the control scheme, he feels like a total bad-ass. If he gets older and still likes Street Fighter, we'll show him Classic. For now he's kicking butt and happy, so that's good enough for me.

[@jcoren23]

I’m at Diamond with Zangief using modern controls and I’m struggling, because you lose a lot of buttons. You can be fast with grabs but when fights are just guessing and pokes, I’m stuck just with chops

[@SBSmashers]

Great Video roofle but you missed some other important points. 1 - Modern Zangief can option select versus jump outs much more easily. With modern zangief, if you think someone will jump out of your tic throw you can jump after them. If you were right, immediately press 'special' and you'll get the air-SPD. If you were wrong, you can press down+HP, button and start your mix back up. This is possible on classic as well but MUCH harder. (classic must spin stick to get air SPD and then press Kick or punch depending on whether opponent jumped, just a lot harder.) 2 - Modern Zangief gets a MUCH easier anti-air reaction with his level 1 super. With modern Zangief, all you have to do is press special+strong to get your anti-air super to come out. This makes it VERY easy to catch jump-ins and jump-outs with Modern Zangiefs level 1. Classic Zangief can't really do this on reaction in the same way because the input for that super is double qcf. This may actually be the strongest thing about Modern Zangief and it looks like you missed it. For whatever reason, that 20% damage penalty on the anti-air makes it feel really weak though... it feels somewhat like it's not worth the meter anymore. 3 - Modern Zangief loses f+HK (wheel kick) which is one of Zangiefs best normals because it gives access to his most damaging combos. It hurts a lot to lose that. Overall, even with the advantages outlined in 1 and 2 above; which are significant. I still think modern zangief is pretty bad. Since SPD resets to neutral in this game, the 20% damage penalty means you're going to have to hit with 1-2 extra pile drivers per round which, imo, defeats the entire purpose of using it. Basically, pile drivers that do such low damage are not with resetting to neutral for unless they are going to kill. Combined with losing some very important normals; I agree with your conclusion; not worth it.

[@TeamGoals]

I play Modern Gief, I find you can compensate for moves he loses with straight movement. Neutral becomes a reaction game of baiting buttons to punish them. I thank vids like this for undercutting the strength of Modern Gief, opponent perception is really important as well, if they think they can just run in safely cause I don’t have all my pokes, they will be sorely mistaken, lose, and quit with no rematch.

[@JoeG2324]

Modern Zangief is awesome. I can't do the spinning pile driver input on demand so now I can actually play with Zangief

[@MattMagnani]

Thanks for the detailed explanation outside the SPD, I was wondering about how Gief was going with this in mondern. Awesome video.

[@GralofGaming]

As a modern control player (mostly just cause It just feels more natural to me, probably cause I'm newer) I actually like it when a character on modern requires classic inputs. I main Luke and I hardly use the easy inputs in my combos. I generally classic input them, which I kind of need to as all variations of his flash knuckle are like mandatory. What I DO like is having the option to either easy input for reliability/speed or classic input for optimal damage. That way when I'm learning combos and i'm not consistant with it yet I can fall back on easier inputs just to more reliably get the combo off or better yet, react to things easier by easy inputting it. Its one of the reasons I started picking up honda. It really does feel like almost his entire kit is there. and its only achievable through classic inputs. So the whole "if you're using motion inputs then why are you using modern?" thing doesn't really work for me. I'm happy sticking with modern and I don't want to relearn the game on a different control scheme. What I don't like on Modern is characters movesets getting "mashier". Example. On Modern Lukes light target combo and crouching medium target combo automatically flow into the next move by pressing it again. where as on classic Luke's crouching medium kick only combos into the shoulder attack if you hit heavy punch. makes it a pain when the first hit of both target combos are special cancelable and you accidentally mash into the rest of the target combo. Bit off topic as I didn't talk about Gief, but it was just something I wanted to say.

[@christoferprestipino7433]

This should be a video series analysing all characters

[@Rolfhn]

Fun story, my controller got drift on the DPAD a couple weeks before the game launched and I just wanted to play as soon as possible, since I never used the stick and I didn’t want to buy a new controller for just this one game, I went to main Zangief just because I Liked how he looks now and took modern controls out of necessity. Now I’m platinum, I'm aware ranked right now is really easy but still things went far beyond my expectations, the level 3 critical art It’s pretty much the “I win button”.

[@ComeArepas17]

Damn… I was Excited for the Zangief Tutorial video but Im actually playing on Classic Controller to learn on Keyboard. I hope you have time to do the Combo Guide soon, keep up the good work. 🙌🏽

[@YolkyPokey]

I'm addicted to the way you say "Weeelcome".

[@nicrules77]

zangief in general has been giving me so much trouble 😭 at least from silver & gold rank players

[@Revanxbone]

Could you talk more about other characters and their modern control feels? Like marisa or ken? Feel like you do a fair analysis of the moveset

[@rabbyd542]

I can't stand modern controls. Win or lose, you get to play against me once. I have no respect for holding down one button and just mashing another button for full combos into super confirms.

[@adriandenton6637]

Yep..once and done..and if they are super annoying they're getting blocked.

[@Eidlones]

Man, I didn't even know it was possible to do a 720 without hiding the input.

[@Bardock_Obama]

Love all the SF6 content as always, and thank you for confirming my classic covin elitism with Zangief. Butt most importantly: Zangief guide wen

[@BLAHBLAH1000shop]

I'm a brand-new player to SF and outside of that franchise I've only ever played Potemkin. I started with classic controls and got used to them quick (prob because I had a lot of practice with Pot) but the number-1 helpful thing for beginners is that the 360 input isn't a real 360. You can end the input on up+back+punch and it'll count. Same with the super: do the first 360 but end the second on up+back+punch no problem. This makes regular SPDs feel more like half circles. If you were turned off by the full 360 input, try doing this instead and see how it feels.

[@timberwolfbrother]

I personally use a combination of modern and classic. Both definitely have their advantages, especially on characters like JP and Dee Jay who have drastic differences in their options for moves using classic, but using the modern special button on Zangief means a lot of consistency on hurting your opponents or even anti-airs.

[@AlphaProto]

Even knowing that the damage is scaled, getting SPD'ed is demoralizing. So the more I get caught, the more frustrated I get.

[@goofmcgroof]

Me earlier on ranked lmfao

[@blackmanta2527]

I'm like "I back dashed" 😢

[@Sakdos]

Exactly my point too. I'm not a good player, and Zangief punishment hit sooo hard for what it seems (i can be biaised) a minimum efforts.

[@Sakdos]

But I'm sure that at high rank it's not a problem

[@nelsonglasford]

So true. I was playing Modern Zangief against some friends, and there was so much tilting and salt from them after consistently getting hit by instant SPD and instant 720.

[@mcgrewpunk]

The instant level 1 super anti-air is definitely a plus point for Modern Zangief. You basically have to avoid jumping when he has level 1.

[@pimsbury5155]

Man thanks for breaking this down. I play Zan off and on and I cant believe people think Modern Zangief is so good. The SPD is easy enough anyway with a little practice but he loses half his good tools. 720s are easy enough to buffer as well. I feel like the surprise 720 after a jump, on wake up, or after buffering catch people by surprise often enough.

[@UltimateHansford]

Modern does allow for a nice OS in the corner. You can beat or be advantage into 90% of simple/one-step defensive options that your opponent can do in corner on reaction. As they get up or are blocking, walk back a little, walk forth a little, neutra/forward + special for spd if they stay on the ground. If they jump, instead react during your walk back, and neutral/forward + special + heavy for level 1 super

[@SillyShinyDragoon]

I would love to see an overview of every character’s classic vs. modern styles! I haven’t gotten the game yet but I’m dying to get into it and this was a super cool video!

[@1deeman2]

It would be cool if you did a comparison between classic and modern controls for all characters.

[@evalangley3985]

It would take forever... and spoiler... Modern is inferior all the time... by a lot...

[@zachstarattack7320]

already done. just look it up

[@1deeman2]

@@zachstarattack7320 I wanna hear rofflemonger talk about it tho

[@ralessfgc]

​@@evalangley3985not all the time

[@MikeDeeJackson]

When I was a kid, I couldn't do a SPD to save my life! This woulda worked wonders for me. This is getting for beginners and people who just wanna play the game. Others? I would advise to learn and play the game so you could grow with your skills! It's a lot more rewarding!

[@SingerOfW]

A real missed opportunity of not having classic Zangief use classic controls in the video. Glad someone finally put it all together though!

[@jai249]

I'd say it might be worth it in the learning stage where you're trying to get into the grappler mindgame and playstyle, and then when you want to fully commit you can go and learn the secret techniques 👀

[@eml0073]

07:48 dude, you can do that on modern. I saw another video that had that combo in it and I just pulled it off myself aftr trying aa couple of times. your timing is just off. you're pushing the special button too quickly after you press jump. but you can do air SPD just as low to the ground as you can on classic.

[@bensoliman19]

I just discovered for DeeJay that his "missing" normals in modern controls can still be done while pressing the auto button. Like for his crouching medium punch, you press crouch auto+medium. Still possible for combos but messes with muscle memory.

[@Soulripper38]

I really need a rooflemonger zangief tutorial + bread and butter combos

[@ericsimonson8002]

I asked my son who has never tried it to do spinning piledriver without jumping or buffering from attack or defense. He figured it out easily. To me this suggests that S.P.D. is easier to perform than it has ever been. If you are thinking of S.P.D. as the reason to use modern controls with Zangief then I would say you give too much to gain too little. I'm impressed by how often I agree with what you say in your videos. I'm a skeptic who tests everything and your information is always solid. Thank you.

[@Zephlinfletcher]

My main issue is I can only consistently get spd inputs on joystick, but prefer my d-pad for everything else.

[@brettdallman3885]

Gief is the character who I feel I change my game plan the most for classic vs modern

[@RainStorm148]

lily's Lv 3 not being a 720 is what drew me to mark her as the grappler of choice. and my friends hated her boosted Condor Spire (all of us are casuals who follow the news of the competitive scene)

[@legbert123]

Im worried about your health lol so much content and travel! Do you sleep?

[@rooflemonger]

basically? no lol. That said things finally slowing down a bit so I can get more rest now

[@itloaf]

​@@rooflemongermate you best go take a snoozlemonger fr

[@SRIrwinkill]

With how tight the timing for the input is for the hellstab and d+MP to do any of his supers after, I can see why modern would appeal to people. I've never had so much issue doing a double down forward for either of his supers after a unique in my life.

[@feri7mble]

One of the main benefits of Modern controls is instant level 1 super to beat DI, especially when you're in burnout. Zangief's level 1 unfortunately doesn't work for that, so the defensive utility of Modern controls isn't as high for him.

[@LegendIam1465]

If youre willing, it would be cool to see you cover characters you think might be better on modern controls than their classic control counterpart. I think thats an interesting conversation to be had, and I'd love to see your take on it

[@rooflemonger]

maybe, will get the current planned videos out of the way first but after that it might be something I look at

[@LegendIam1465]

@@rooflemonger Cool cool, can't wait to see what you've got in store. Thanks for taking my suggestion into consideration.

[@XtraCrispy]

AGREE we should be able to customize all move our self

[@TakumiJoyconBoyz]

So I play classic Ryu on stick mostly in SF6 and have generally played on stick in every other SF game. The reason I play on stick is because I hated having normals on shoulder buttons. It just felt weird to me. In SF6 I like having a secondary I play on Modern just because sometimes I don't wanna drag out the stick and have to sit upright. Sometimes I just wanna lay down while I play or sometimes I wanna play on Steam Deck and I think it's great for those purposes. I don't really ever use the complete auto combos and I do the manual inputs when they are available. I don't really need it for accessibility or skill reasons. I just like the layout for playing on an XBox controller when I'm feeling lazy and I think that is something a lot of people overlook as a benefit when reviewing Modern controls.

[@drzitbag06]

I wish there was an option to block M players in ranked mode. nuff said.

[@CJ-wh7ik]

if not for the HUGE 20% dmg reduction A LOT OF players would play modern. Capcom literally has to nerf it with arbitrary dmg debuff because of how good the controls are.

[@bjt0056]

I know Roof doesn't like it but, this is the info I've been waiting for. Especially for Cammy and Juri.

[@TekkLuthor]

These Giefs live and die on drive impact. One grab and he takes out 1 3rd of your health.

[@PKshockwave]

"Just being able to walk forward and BLEHHP!! Get your 720." Rooflemonger 2023 😂

[@Riz_]

Hi Rooflemonger, Enjoyed this video very much. I play Zangief a fair bit and am actually enjoying him in classic controls. Never had a problem with the 360 motion, been doing it for thirty odd years by now. It was the 720 I did not like. I don't know if the 720 is a little more forgiving than before but using forwards plus medium kick into it works very well for me. The result is that I can do Zangief's level three super much more than his ultra in Street fighter four. I don't have a fancy controller or fight stick so it is the D pad for me and anyone who has tried that knows it is not the perfect situation but it is what it is. Still nothing is as satisfying as landing Zangief's level three super.

[@Busterman64]

While I know this is about Modern Gief...Thank you Roof for telling me how to do his anti air grab on the ground. I've been trying to figure out how to do this for the past few days.

[@dazelya]

Hey rooflemonger! Can you make videos like this for all the characters? I love all the tutorial/tips videos you have prepared so far and you are definitely the content creator that explains this kind of things in the best way. It will be a great pleasure to hear your thoughts on other characters. Thanks!

[@rooflemonger]

well there is demand for it now so maybe

[@dazelya]

Thanks a lot! As I said, your detailed explanations and the way you use your voice are very successful, you make me to listen/watch even the things that I have nothing to do with it. I wish you continued success!

[@RaheemRollair]

Me personally, I totally understand the 360 motion for the command grab. It's just that the problem is Tap Jump is super easy. If Tap Jump motion needed to be pressed harder, it would've been much better. I would've preferred that than pressing just one button.

[@hountybunter]

Thank you so much for this vid! I was kinda scared i had to go to modern cause people were talking about it like that was gonna be the only way to play him well or some... ive been maining him all sf5 and i love doing 360s and his neutrals and pokes and stuff with an arcade stick.. just bought the game today and gonna go play it right now. Ill just stick to classic! This really gave me some insight on what both controls do for the character.. well deserved like and sub for you my guy!😁

[@The_Kenster]

3:34 whoops that's not the medium button

[@AndresLionheart]

Some characters are definitely better than others with Modern controls. I've been playing Cammy after failing to find with stuff with Juri because she is missing her crounching MP, which is used as a stop gap in most of her good combos. On the other hand with Cammy I have almost all normals, and the first 2 hits of the medium auto combo does medium links for you as well. I do most inputs manually, but I like Modern because as I'm more used to anime fighting games like DBFZ and 4 button games like KoF. Plus since I play on controller it's more natural to have all attack buttons in the same place instead of having to straglers on the shoulder buttons.

[@superserg4763]

I was distracted by the other Gief having his Thighs jiggle everytime u used Lariat on block lol. But yeah Modern was made for new players, it's really not a big issue. Just Twitter blowing things outta proportion

[@DeepCDiva]

Huh, i thought charge characters would be the ones that could take advantage of Modern controls, but i guess one button piledrivers are pretty good!

[@rooflemonger]

Far as I know, charge characters still have to charge in modern, which defeats like 99% of the purpose to me

[@GeneralThunderbolt]

​@@rooflemonger pretty sure that would be broken. Even as a guile main walk forward flash kick / boom sounds disgusting

[@DeepCDiva]

@rooflemonger oh i haven't tried but if that's true then yeah, why even bother lol I know it would be broken but making you still have to perform a big chunk of the move is really funny for the easier controls

[@kccts44]

I feel like playing modern controls Geif is against everything the iron muscle stands for.

[@adriandenton6637]

Yep, his SPD was difficult for a reason.

[@rickcarter74]

I’m actually switching from Classic Gief to Modern Gief. Being able to instant supers is an intangible that really works in Gief’s favor because opponents ALWAYS gotta account for it, unlike Classic where buffering gives you away to your opponent and it’s much easier to drop in the heat of a match. I’m my 2nd day in and M.Gief is nuts! I feel like Classic Gief isn’t as feared as Modern Gief, due to not having to worry about execution. Godlike Classic players exempt, of course!

[@Banana-ej5ji]

The main strength is the ease of the SPD and the speed of it, you can blow up mashing so easily with that EX auto SPD, other than that classic is just better. There is also the insta air spd tech which you can't do in modern nearly as easily.

[@TSouL22]

7:57 You CAN do the same OD BD ender for those combos on Modern, but it's just a lot harder since u need manual timing instead of being able to tiger knee w/ Classic. The timing is so unreliable that I just opt for oki instead of dmg after OD lariat in the corner every time now.

[@gnogara]

I too do the ̺͆b̺̺͆͆l̺̺͆͆e̺̺͆͆h̺̺͆͆p̺͆ when I can just walk and get my 720 11:32

[@JoeG2324]

Can you imagine what Hugo will be like with modern controls?

[@armandoc2584]

He’s working out for me honestly and I was never good at Zangief

[@rahahtheking6160]

I think modern control is good from a defensive aspect Make you focus on the core elements of the game for difficult matches ups

[@2centstudios]

I was thinking similar things about Manon whom I'm maining. Having throws on a button is incredible, but she also suffers from poor autocombos, and the trade off of key moves like her stand HK and crouch mp is just too high of a price to pay which is a shame because if not for those two moves I think she would have been worth it.

[@GenderNeutch]

also I feel most of Manon's specials are fairly easy to do in Classic, lots of quarter circles, one 180

[@Maxler5795]

You know that one dude who could do a walking 720 ultra? Yeah turns out he just got an early version of modern controls.

[@MrAzramez]

I did wonder why I would find the instant Borsht dynamite combos so hard. Mid screen I go straight into air OD spd after level 2, and in the corner I use air headbut in to OD spd to avoid those moments. I have been playing modern 'gief. I mostly find use in one button supers in reactive situations and the difficult hellstab cancels. I might use the modern control inputs for supers once a match though. I do find it difficult to poke, Modern 'gief is mainly a counter poking character. A lot of times I am at the mercy of what the opponent does rather then setting up my own game plan.

[@mrsizeablerice]

Imo when making tier lists for sf6 you'll probably needs to have a modern version and a classic version since I feel like some versions of some characters are significantly stronger /weaker then their counterparts

[@Ultramatt17]

I’ve been playing Street Fighter off and on casually since SF2. The one input that I can’t perform consistently is the 360/720. Certainly not without jumping. I’ve also got old man reflexes now, and I could never remember all of a character’s normals, anyway. I think I’ll take the Modern controls, personally.

[@Unserioussam328]

I like modern controls. not playing them, mind you, but I love them for existing. people who couldn't do 360s either because of hand problems, mental blocks, or just being new to fgs can now enjoy THE grappler. THE grandfather of putting hands on people. THE red cyclone. And even if the competitive viability of modern is still in debate .. the fact that the barrier for entry to grappling has been lowered to practically the FLOOR is wonderful. because most of these people weren't going to tourneys. most of them probably didn't even *want* to go to tourneys. they just wanna hang with homies and throw them around like ragdolls. So I for one happily welcome our modern grappler friends.

[@KaiSchSp]

Is modern piledriver faster than manual piledriver since the 360 motion requires like 3 frames of directional inputs (if input is optimal) before pressing the button? Is my thinking correct?

[@rooflemonger]

Yes, modern control piledriver is frame 1, instant.

[@cloudstrife5487]

the frame 1 SPD counter to moves is insane for modern grief.

[@MrDrumStikz]

I'll be honest, I've had to drop Gief because of the new lariat hitbox. A substantial part of why I've played him in the past is how well he handles cross-ups. So I'm on the hunt for a new character.

[@logancooper3625]

The worst change, hands down. I'm used to it now but, I still wish lariat hit behind him.

[@dxbrasky]

@@logancooper3625 it doesnt hit behind? is this why i keep getting crossed up

[@logancooper3625]

@@dxbrasky That is correct!

[@matrix3509]

Seems like the best characters for modern are characters with already good neutral tools who don't hurt too much from losing a few, and yeah, losing light SPD with Gief hurts him a lot, since light SPD is absolutely vital to his kit.

[@Netsaver]

So if you look up the command list in training mode, you can switch between the moves Modern and Classic so you can see what Modern removes and keeps from classic control.

[@tim90x]

I play modern zengief on iPhone 13 Pro Backbone. I also have a fight stick, but I don’t like taking over the living room TV. It’s just not that serious anymore. I also place 9th in yellow brick Road tournament. no glitches double stun were allowed.

[@smokepotion6981]

I use modern Zief. But since I learned the "360 trick" i've been practicing him with classic. But being a 40 year old dude, i notice after a few hours of playing my hands will ache. SO I'll probably stick to modern, and input specials manually when i need the xtra dmg. All that said, I learned me something about Ziefs SPD grab ranges from you. TYVM.

[@irishsoxfan34]

Since you could still manually input the more damaging moves I was thinking that was worth until I found out he loses the med kick poke. That alone isn't worth the advantages of frame one spd wiff punish. I'd rather get good with Geif (learn 360 motions) than nerf his neutral game all day.

[@itzAsianFool]

Okay my pocket modern zangief may go crazy as a funny counter pick

[@S3RVANTofCHI3F]

Barely played against anyone on modern controls

[@reddragoner1932]

i still struggle doing 360s while standing but i get better at it. the S.P.D. argument was also crucial for my thinking process of trying M-Controls but after playing a lot of World Tour with M-Controls (simply because it feels better) I came to the conclusion M-Controls are not for me. Even someone like me who played only a bit of SFIV and then a bit SFXT the 6 button layout for SF is simply what I've been taught for more than 15 years. But I always recommend friends the M-Layout with the argument that it is equal to the C-Controls and to be all fair on a casual/scrub level it probably is better.

[@PraiseChika]

the video has only been out for a few minutes but I can already guess lol, modern gief only gets heavy spd and it does less damage than a normal light spd

[@TheChocolateDrop2]

6:45 damn thats alot of drive meter depletion

[@jonahblock]

So I love the classic controls but I just can’t do the supers, I wish I could just just 4 buttons at once to hit it… and I wish we could de a reverse drive dash gain distance