IS MY KY KISKE FINALLY BETTER THAN DEB'S SOL BADGUY?

[@skiff3714]

Kizzie didn’t even say no longer a clown when activating DI, this must’ve been a bad day :(

[@JayceCH.]

Nah, man's focused.

[@mibbzx1493]

I was waiting for it too

[@adhamsalem9121]

May be he is convinced that DI is a clown.

[@xxlegitkmoonxx]

Yo shutouts to the editor for that megaman like intro also support your boi.

[@comb3596]

deadass

[@ihatetxmethy9258]

Went to the comments to say that lol

[@VizualBandit]

Awesome PFP bro, No More Heroes is sick af

[@sopadefideos5636]

You can see even kizzie gets tilted when playing against Sol, lol

[@Tysechi]

Tbh deb's playstyle is mad weird and it works really well.

[@aganaom1712]

This isn't a sol thing, bro Deb is a different beast entirely from the rest of us sol players. And she scares us

[@markkirollos4437]

*against Deb

[@g0mita925]

I think it’s Deb play style and Sol bullsht

[@jeremiahperez11]

Deb play style is really good, that man is too od

[@Supavillain360]

Okay, that MegaMan intro was kinda godlike.

[@deepzone8114]

I was thinking that lol

[@cafequente8252]

Thomas Light would be proud

[@derellsherman1579]

When Kizzie doesnt say "SUPPORT YA BOI", my sadness increases by +5

That intro was GODLIKE HOLY SHIT

[@cherryboywriter6299]

1:17 I am DYING. I swear the FGC creators have the best meme game on the planet. Best part about the community.

[@kdawg3484]

Apologies, Kizzie, I'm mostly focused on equating Guilty Gear characters with Mega Man characters after that intro.

[@minislaughtr2743]

Seeing Kizzie do combos makes me want to learn Ky

[@JestinJester]

Ky is really fun!!

[@dakuedgelord8170]

@@JestinJester he really is as a ky main myself.

[@cafequente8252]

1:12 I'm going through a Megaman fever and this... this is absolutely perfect

[@JestinJester]

Kizzie gets tilted but stays with it. He don’t start callin the other player shit. He plays and respects it. Sick.

[@asdasddas100]

Who in their right mind would call Deb shit? Dude would get flayed on Twitter for saying something like that LMAO Also kinda hard to call someone who's *actually* better than you shit

[@defianthound407]

The editing on that intro was sick. Kizzy needs the Deb color mod. Blonde Sol 😖 2:48 The life of a Ky main 😰

[@Cool30Comics]

4:59 kizzie still got them godlike reactions! I usually loose my cool when i get stuck in blockstrings, but kizz got the professional attitude!

[@feofatale909]

The intro was cool af! Also yikes, Kizzie stopped cracking jokey jokes this video but navigating these Sol setups!

[@NRLazy]

Foundre Arc should be an Overhead and it's a crime that it isn't.

[@rajstream4768]

well its supposed to be a pressure reset not a mix up, if it was an over head the frame data would need to be nerfed to shit which ky's pressure worse

[@MasterReginald]

That’s an unnecessary change that would not help him out. It hits on the 29th frame on a crouching opponent. Far too slow to hit anyone.

[@hcaelBBleach]

12:36-13:10 Was intense. Loved it

[@avayevvnon914]

Still find it hilarious that the only way arcsys has even indirectly affected Sol's DP is by getting rid of the 6P wall bounce as if he doesnt have plenty of other easy ways to combo into it. That route in the intro still looked sick tho.

[@lijnat]

lol even ignoring combos, doesn't it clean hit as a reversal? if i'm not wrong i think it's pretty ridiculous

[@cryesix128]

@@lijnat It only clean hits if Sol is close to the opponent. If they overextend their okizeme by being in his face, he has a chance to turn the table around since they are already close. Downside on using H VV is it's very slow, 14f startup compared to 7f for S VV, making it blocked against properly timed meaties and almost every DPs are not full invuln, only strike so they can just grab Sol again.

[@Lucoms]

@@lijnat you're wrong

[@Lucoms]

6p change nerfed his damage and combo consistency. By a lot actually. He has to change up combos depending on character, distance and number of hits in the combo. Sol definitely nerfed. But he is overall more fun to play.

[@lijnat]

@@cryesix128 yeah i'm aware of all that. but odds are if you're wake up DPing you're gonna do it when people run in for oki since DP's have meh horizontal range. The speed being slow doesn't change all too much. Few safe jump setups get messed up by the varying DP speeds. As for perfectly timed meaties against DPs... I assume you mean things like safe jumps and whiff baits as you can't actually meaty any traditional DP in GGST... Chipp, Ky and Sol are all invincible from frame 1 to 1 or 2 frames after the first active frame of their DPs. It's either throw or try beating baiting a dp by running up and stopping or using a 5/2P early enough to block. but yeah of course HS VV has downsides compared to S VV. But in the grand scheme it's no big deal. Chipp doesn't have a second DP option, and both of Ky's DPs are slow af ontop of having their properties locked behind shock state (which maybe 90% of the time, Ky's enjoy the benefits in combos, no reversals). With all that said if you're gambling that the opponent is trying to meaty a jump or catch a back dash, then there's no reason not to HS VV if your'e gonna DP. Also if you're confident that your opponent has meaty timings down and they really do... you probably don't gain anything by S VV unless they have setups that only work against the 13 frame DPs

[@callumbreton8930]

Oh boy, never thought I’d see the day when the best Sin Kiske player would be fighting a vtuber. Times really changed, huh

[@im_dari7614]

Deb is def not just a vtuber lol

[@R0kushi]

gotta say that this matches againt deb are always great to watch, a lot of good insights

[@Holland1917]

Love the cut screen intros. Dope editing

[@lofiebread]

You know what. I think I will support my boi

[@human_h8839]

Ok kizze the editing was on point

[@HazyTown01]

Considering I too am trying to learn The Sol match up, this was good to see

[@1raysteez]

The Mega man intro just took me way back

[@kirbone511]

Sol players can literally whiff or be hit by something and have it still be their turn which I think is the main issue. Getting a full high damage combo off of damn near any move is just ridiculous even after several patches

[@ManoloRibera070]

That also applies for nagoriyuki though. Any of the top 5 characters really

[@Holidoll]

As a Sol player I can tell you right now I'm already mashing another dp on dp whiff 100% without question it's dumb

[@devionwilliams8000]

the vibe at the beginning was so hopeful. then at the end he was rubbing his forehead hella hard lol

[@TitaniumBeast]

Still can’t believe some people think Sol was nerfed overall. Just wow.

[@alexeonbel4304]

Yeah I play a lot of Sol. People are mad capping if they think he was super nerfed. At best you could say he was finely tuned. But a lot of his stuff is still VERY viable.

[@yourbellboy]

He's still mad scary, but Bandit Revolver's 2nd hit makes him really spotty to play now.

[@yourbellboy]

Kizzie's frame traps and 5K fishing are MAD good!! I would NOT want to swap out for DEB here 😵

[@lyonsin2535]

Came back for this vid and this intro is nice as hell

[@WingGT79]

Matchup seems rough , good job keeping up with Deb !

[@endevor5554]

@8:33 he threw a fireball and it HIT Deb, and she PUNISHED him on HIT…..what is this game

[@ShizuoHeiwa]

B.s ass strive lmao

[@adhamsalem9121]

That is bullshit crazy.

[@TheAmicableWarrior]

hey kizzie, great videos you post, always and very entertaining. My question for you is, do you think Ky needs a damage buff? Watching this video and Ain matches I feel like Ky gets cheated from getting a W’s because his combos usually don’t finish off opponents like they should. They opponents looks to always have a inch of health left then one mistake and Ky eats a huge damaging/comeback combo from characters like Sol and Nago for example.

[@АндрейБабичук-у9ц]

Thank god deb plays B tier sol and not may

[@Lucoms]

They did nerf Sols damage. And nago is a good counter pick.

[@Village0Wolf]

Intro was godlike man, also how the hell can you do commentary while playing against this monster lmao good job like always

[@YTGRSU]

THAT MEGA MAN INTRO WAS SO STUPIDLY FIRE

[@adamant6470]

Sol: Everyone: I'm calling the police now (Call the devs for putting SS tier Johnny in the game for saving the game)

[@BADink3D]

Now, they have to make some Mega Man-like Guilty Gear game; Loved that Intro!

[@justafanboy3968]

yo Kizzie just wanted to ask if ya doin good cause ya still sounded hype in the intro but ya seemed to lose that hype and joy as the match went on. Which don't get me wrong I could be mistaken and maybe you were just focused is all but I don't know. Anyway just wanted to say that the vids are great as always but maybe try takin a break if you can or need it, maybe try listening to music of your choice,(if ya want a suggestion I've been lovin "Diva of Despair and marionette") hope ya can get hype again soon. Also for the intro I thought I could notice the greenscreen mainly on Ky's arm lines and just wanted to suggest using the black screen even if it does kinda get funky with the black pants in my experience but still those angles and edits overall were godlike. we love ya kizzie.

[@markkirollos4437]

He got his ass beat and he feels like the character he wants to play can't put in the work in the match-up. That would bum anyone out. Strive is a pretty good game to have sub characters in so I'm sure it will work out.

[@justafanboy3968]

@@markkirollos4437 yeah i know just feels bad to see him energy-less, not even mad it seems, just hopeless. usually he's hella energetic specially to chat but then in the like two moments he talks with chat he's just unenthused.

[@viper64jr]

Being counter hit on hit, even after the “buffs”….. that’s just wrong man

[@Deadestest]

There were no buffs, the fd changes will never stop hurting

[@bobjones5939]

Damn she’s good

[@rashawnb9965]

Nah. Sol’s broken

[@sawyersimpkins9428]

4 S's in a row Dam thas gud

[@johnhurley8918]

My lord, the spacing games being played here!

[@Tysechi]

Kizzie what do you think about deb's stagger pressure? Oddly weird right?

[@spencerhansberry5156]

What song is playing at 4:58?

[@zen8950]

Love that MegaMan intro. Keep it up

[@kakashi-__-vi]

Anytime he cuts to sol getting a COUNTER i feel that in my soul every time

[@konnerkillsback7876]

LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY

[@LegateSprinkles]

What if DI was allowed at like 40-50% instead?

[@pproman123]

Adapting to a Sol player feels extremely satisfying tbh, he's busted, but winning feels extra juicy

[@Ganitros]

I would burst because it's game point for them. I've got nothing else to lose.

[@FernandoPazin]

Megaman transition was really cool

[@garylocc8128]

X4 Intro was dope

[@profes6447]

Ok that megaman intro was hype as fuck

[@asdsdaadsdadasdasd2473]

Damn...seeing kizzie complain a bit about sol is actually kinda "refreshing" cuz i do that too when im against zappa,faust,kliff lol

[@Deadestest]

I'm this close to stop the ky grind bro i cant

[@petermaldonado3316]

Feel that

[@doralgranger6744]

That heavy fireball into regular fireball iton another fireball was as good as that intro

[@doralgranger6744]

Siiiiiiiic

[@jddebr]

My dude fighting for his damn life

[@ManoloRibera070]

I feel ya kizzie. As an anji main i feel like this playing any character thats top 8.

[@Holidoll]

Honestly I'm surprised you don't feel this way about any character that's top 16 Anji has it rough out there dude god speed to you

[@twoinone_]

Serious question: Why didn't he Faultless Defense against Sol doing the slash spam thing? (Edit: I mean the time near the middle of the video, can't remember the time stamp and I didn't see meter. Sorry)

[@duckadence]

Just a guess, but FD is an open invitation to getting thrown since it's very visible.

[@carlos41519]

I wasnt there for the stream but i believe from the gameplay we see in the vid, i think kizzie prefers to punish with instant block then grab as an option select. If the sol “spams” they will be caught off guard. If they dont kizzie wont get punished cause the sol has to commit to a blockstring or actually stagger pressure with the close slash. You can also hear him pressing one button as he tries to instant block and i believe its grab. It sometimes doesnt come out cause he didnt instant block I saw this around 8:38

[@twoinone_]

@@carlos41519 ohhh! Alright. I appreciate the explanation! Thank you!

[@Extreme_Dummy]

What song is that at 7:46

[@StrawHatCentral]

Sol’s dragon install song from xrd

[@Extreme_Dummy]

@@StrawHatCentral Thanks

[@WillCipher]

Ride the fire from guilty gear xrd sign ost

[@Extreme_Dummy]

@@WillCipher Thanks

[@alejotomasortega547]

Damn she's good

[@acedavidson1410]

Can things have uhhhh recovery frames??

[@GHoST2130]

Yo who edited this that MegaMan intro was fucking godlike

[@ShizuoHeiwa]

I wouldn’t of bursted in that situation especially so close to death lol

[@MagicTacoNinja]

what a fucking animation!

[@comb3596]

i wonder how much damage sols combos would do if he didnt have dash cancel 5k 🤔

[@crabulaunch4754]

Might be less versatile but I don’t think it would affect damage much

[@KingBeneviento]

That's not the issue here. The damage as is is already pretty fucking high but then when you pair high damage with a character like Sol who has good ways to open you and crank Risc out the wazoo it becomes literally cap. You could take away the 5K and Sol would still make your ass explode. The damage overall needs to toned down because seeing ch with a little risc can literally be gg

[@rajstream4768]

@@KingBeneviento his 5k allow to confirm into combos easily and other characters cant really do that i feel

[@ShizuoHeiwa]

@@KingBeneviento they won’t tone the damage down cause it makes “causal players” feel like they doing something off of rubbing the controller on their forehead which is why I took a break from this game I’m sorry I shouldn’t get hit once and basically lose the fucking round depending on who you’re fighting that’s just my imo tho

[@blackadaminj1-261]

That looked frustrating I’m like: man can I play

[@viewtifulgold4223]

No, the answer is no.

[@youravictim38]

Don’t gotta do em like that💀

[@SilvioDylan]

It feels so unfair that Sol can just mash 5K after whiffing Volcanic Viper and not get punished.

[@Lucoms]

What are you on about. It's heavily negative.

[@NameGaming]

@@Lucoms sol is busted still lmao

[@Lucoms]

@@NameGaming not really. Keep lying if it makes u feel better.

[@NameGaming]

@@Lucoms yes really

[@Lucoms]

@@NameGaming are you even in celestial with at least over 500 hrs played? If not I don't think your opinion matters.

[@WarlockLov3]

I'd love to see a set of you fighting Supernoon. I think it would be pretty sick.

[@zloading_gaming9361]

does deb have a twitch or youtube channel or sum?

[@crimsonraiza3633]

Yes to both

[@0micyde]

the next hit kills anyways you defburst there. maybe a couple of frames laater if you can react to the startupframe of the attk

[@sansire746]

that intro is sick

[@xerexssdenial5504]

Im waiting on a projectile zoner to be added. Like Venom would be sick in this game. But for now im playing ky cause the new changes.

[@tylerwilson1024]

Yes, same

[@ackmedzambosama5327]

do you like happy chaos

[@samadshilling9653]

Kizzie had to focus so hard, he didn't say shit😳

[@BrunoLiraArraisMaia]

the X4 reference tho

[@balllord8580]

yeah that was godlike

[@harryvpn1462]

Kizz still not used to not having to mash while in hitstun

[@rustycrowbar4250]

You got it brudda

[@happycamperds9917]

I feel like they don't want fireballs to be too good because you can RC and beat an airdash attempt, making them pretty safe. Then again Pot Buster exists.

[@adhamsalem9121]

What's wrong with a that? RC ain't free.

[@shadyknux]

"Would you burst in this situation?" Honestly, I wouldn't. At that point I'd just resign to my fate, cause that's a catch 22, you lose either way.

[@hectortejeda2057]

I'm not playing Strive until another patch drops. I'll still watch and support your channel.

[@ShizuoHeiwa]

This I feel this right here!

[@hurwitz3484]

Cool intro Mr. editor

[@andrewc4929]

Bro, Kizzy tryna bait my burst and I ain't even playing? wtf

[@SGBlack]

AY EDITOR!!!! I hope they're paying you 6 figures

[@Tommylmao]

editor really outdid themselves

[@chrisbalousjr9592]

Yeaaaaaaaa kizzzz!!!!

[@the_illest21]

SUPPORT YA BOI

[@jefflevy606]

i definitely have something to say and am not commenting to boost engagement. remeber to support our boy!

[@adhamsalem9121]

Drop KY when?

[@frozone1669]

Never, Ky players stay on the struggle

[@adhamsalem9121]

@@frozone1669 well as a content creator sure. But when the offline tournaments are back I don't know. Kizzie is a pro he needs to but bread on the table.

[@emilyattackhelicopter7515]

Green Brawlhalla color for Sol.

[@YukonJack]

Can you explain to me why Ky's fireball is considered bad? I'm nowhere near your level and don't know how to properly evaluate it. I think it's insane what Nago's clone does and compared to most any fireball I can see how that would be irritating. I know Deb is a serious opponent but I'm curious if your losses are from a skill gap or if you were in your head a bit. I've seen you do some serious matches where you're on point even against very solid opponents. I can't help but wonder if you were psyching yourself out a bit here.

[@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome]

High start up and punishable on hit

[@Enis1198]

In general fireballs are a way to harass people from far away, cover your offense or to bait your opponent to do something. but in this matchup if ky uses stun edge, sol can just viper and punish. and its counterhit state for the entire recovery. its not great on block and the opponent can hit you. @ 3:04 Kizzie hit the stun edge and still eats a decent punish. but I'm no top player or anything.

[@YukonJack]

@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome I know they buffed Ky's fireball and it definitely seemed better, I didn't know it was still handicapped like that though. I haven't played much since the big patch.

[@YukonJack]

@@Enis1198 I'm a brainless Ram player so I'm used to getting low profiled on sword chuck. Seeing that punish at 3:04 though is some shit. I had no idea the hit stun was that poor on it. Are there any other projectiles besides Ky's that are that unsafe on close range hit? Even if there are others, that's pretty shiesty and I'm a bit surprised they designed it that poorly. Yeesh.

[@donewithprecision785]

Ky needs a buff brotha

[@Cheesepuff44]

I feel like Sol can combo after any little hit

[@sawyersimpkins9428]

Das because he can. With meter he'll take you to the wall with any little hit.

[@sasquatchenthusiast4179]

No, not when one is crouching. (The burst question)

[@s_factor_sam]

I check in on these videos every once in a while to see whether I've been accurate about Strive's balance and the state of Ky. So far, seeing one of the best Xrd players (one of the best players on the whole Guilty Gear series) hit a wall against certain characters and comparably skilled players while using Ky heavily suggests that my stance is pretty accurate. And if it's this difficult for a player in the top percents, imagine how the experience is for low-to-mid level player. (Aka. the vast majority) Crazy how some on FGC KZbin and Twitter have said that I have an 'elitist' or 'I know everything' attitude simply for stating my thoughts, having a different perspective from the majority on the FGC, having conviction in what I say, and having confidence in when I'm right. I admit when I'm wrong and am always open to respectable discussion or debate. Yet, I'm somehow proven right more often than I care to count. It's almost like someone doesn't have to be a top player or FGC figurehead in order to be knowledgeable and able to analyze things logically. Unheard of, right? Since only people with clout can be correct. Lol

[@Sorichuudo]

4:29 yeah uh... that wasn't a whiff. She missed the clean hit, but you still got hit.

[@bowserjr476]

totsugeki aint even a projectile?🗿 damn i miss xrd may

[@axllomein7215]

What Ky needs...Foudre Arc hits overhead, and Stun Dipper needs to either auto hit on the second hit when the first connects, or it needs to be split into two button presses so you can choose whether or not to use the second hit and take the risk.......also Axl Bomber needs to be made into a normal dp that can be done from the ground....I'm going to keep saying that....

[@frozone1669]

Foudre Arc being an overhead wouldn't make Ky and better or worse

[@lijnat]

i think the reason they don't want Ky's type of fireball to be good is that... there's probably market research that people don't like having to deal with them. Like characters like Axl are never meant to be at the highest tier as far as "enjoyability" goes. Rather get beat by Sol than zoned by Axl. Traditional fireballs sorta have a similar reputation. if I'm right it's one of the dumbest balancing rationale.

[@johnhurley8918]

That's exactly it. People don't want to deal with zoning. The person in the video mentions totsugeki and ram swords, but dolphin brings you closer to the enemy and Ram can spam swords all day. Getting spammed from full screen sucks, period.

[@anzumisho7779]

i like this video!