Is NASCAR more entertaining than F1? | Door Bumper Clear

[@ynwa1283]

I grew up in Europe watching F1 since 1995. I came to the USA and started watching NASCAR in 2000. Was a Gordon fan from day one. F1 has lost A LOT of its appeal. Slower, heavier and technically manipulated cars with DRS to pass isn’t the most amazing thing compared to having nothing but a V8 engine and 4 tires to work with. I will say this though: F1 smashes NASCAR in the marketing department. NASCAR does have way better driver personalities and is more entertaining, but none of that is being marketed like it should be. I truly believe that if NASCAR steps up its marketing strategy, it will absolutely be the staple.

[@kben24]

NASCAR is completely lost as a motor-racing league… they brought (football/basketball) rules into racing, which angered old school fans & didn’t attract new fans… yet they’re still trying to sell that racing product to the masses who have already rejected it or have no interest.

[@eternalharvestfarm]

As technically manupulated as the cars are. It's better than NASCAR. F1 teams are allowed to innovate and make new parts within the tight confines of the rules. They can even run some crazy data collection devices in practice. Nascar teams use the wrong hood louvers in PRACTICE and they are hit with some of the heaviest penalties.

[@alvarojneto]

F1 has the pedigree, the prestige, the international appeal and the better drivers. That's why their marketing is better. F1 is synonymous with racing, still.

[@gabbar51ngh]

NASCAR just needs to get market in China or India.

[@ryanpoole6743]

Big thing for me and why i like watching F1 more than Nascar these days is the less commercials less cautions and more green flag racing like i love Nascar i do grew up on it but man watching an F1 race just feels like a breath of fresh air by comparison like its just not the same like its not even comparable. I find F1 easy to actually enjoy every race where as in Nascar I always find myself being bogged down by commercials and all the cautions because Nascar races just feel slower and slower and F1 is the complete opposite and for me I like that more and i just know Nascar will never be like that i know that and it just sucks because i think Nascar could be so huge man but i think the TV coverage would have to completely change because in my opinion it is easier to watch an entire F1 race than any Nascar race on the schedule from the beginning of a race to the end of a race. Like sure the racing between denny and kyle was greart at Kansas but i just feel like racing like that isnt enough to make me want to sit through an entire Nascar race because that was just a portion of the race man ya know like its just not enough and i just think with the stages and stage cautions just make the first two-thirds of the race meaningless i really do which was the opposite of what they wanted those stages to be like why have stages if wins mean so much like i think wins should mean that much but why have stages then there just extra points are they necessary i dont think so i just want Nascar to be what it used to be because i think it changed to much and its not in a good spot at least not to me.

[@runofthemillz]

Did Brett just mention that he loves “the month of May” and not even mention the Indy 500?🤣

[@djgib53]

I think he was specifically talking about the 1st week, since he didn't bring up the Coke 600 either.

[@joshuapowers4623]

I actually find it perfectly justifiable the drivers weren't happy about the pre-race driver intros. Unlike Nascar, that's not an every race occurance that's scheduled into teams race prep. It was an attempt to Americanize the race that disrupted their established pre-race prep. Unlike nascar where driver intros are buit in to the weekl show.

[@wesmanpipes9430]

Bang on! Its the problem with alot of sports in general. Entertainment and pandering to the newcomer is taking away from the sport side. That intro at Miami GP was just too cringey but Im sure some average fans probably thought it was cool.

[@pittsky]

F1 technology is great, the actual racing is horrible. Cars win by a mile.

[@joshuapowers4623]

Yea but that would also be the case in Nascar if the entire race were run under green, or our caution flags only neutralized the speed of the field & not bunch them all back up.

[@S.Matt240]

100%. The cars are the stars. And once you see them in person and see how fast they are going it's unbelievable, like legitimately unbelievable. The F1 drivers all act like a bunch of boring rich kids that are terrified to say anything that might cost them a sponsor.

[@danielchai6145]

Agreed. I think there’s a place for F1. Their cars really are amazing. But yeah they’re racing sucks.

[@blondie214]

@@S.Matt240 F1 drivers are a lot more enjoyable to listen to then Nascar drivers. Max, Charles, Carlos, George, Lando and others stream on Twitch a lot to connect with the fans. F1 will be bigger than Nascar in the US within 5 years. NASCAR has no chance at this point to stop F1’s momentum they’ve screwed up to much since the mid 2000s

[@nothinghere7391]

It would be acceptable if it was a different driver every race, but it's not only the same car, it's the same driver every fucking week. I can't stand that

[@45mNZ]

Talking about international races... Come down under! They've run a cup car for a few exhibition laps at a Supercars race on the Gold Coast a few years back and it'd be awesome to see the Cup Series come back

[@peopleschampgarage7869]

Bathurst ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ I'd love to see a double weekend of the Supercars & Nascars

[@TheMisfitChef]

IndyCar is the best for me. The race length and no commercials is great about F1 though. I'd watch more Nascar (I do watch, just not every week) if the races were shorter. Probably help with younger fans too.

[@peopleschampgarage7869]

Indy needs more races tho ❤ I'm going to Texas next year for sure to see Indy. That race was crazy entertaining

[@ricksorber9562]

Too bad NASCAR can't come up with a commercial free deal for them. Or at least only have them during cautions.

[@danielchai6145]

@@ricksorber9562 hopefully the next tv deal helps with that. I think it will be a lot different cause a lot has changed in the entertainment world in the last 10 years.

[@devonmartinez780]

No stages

[@devonmartinez780]

@@peopleschampgarage7869 IndyCar needs about 10 more races and all of them on ovals. Not a longer season but more races during their current season length.

[@ernestquadrello8507]

Nascar has the better racing and more parity by a mile, but I also think they could learn a few things from F1. Love the length of F1 races right around 2 hours, love the size of the grid, love the presentation. Would make every moment of the race feel more of a sense of urgency and maybe cut down on cautions.

[@TheMisfitChef]

I agree with this 💯

[@lovejoyb20]

I think NASCAR needs to look at moving to timed events. Make your TV windows 3 hours including the invocation, national anthem, and post race interviews of at least the top 10. Every race (except the Daytona 500, Coca-Cola 600 and Brickyard, if they return to the oval) runs for two hours plus a specific number of laps based on the length of the track. A number that typically runs 15-20 minutes, so like 10-15 laps at Daytona/Talledega, maybe 50 laps at Bristol. Rain screws it all up as it always has, but you schedule with nice, neat TV windows. I won't get started on stage breaks, but I think the best version of NASCAR I've seen in a while was the Trucks at Texas with the 5 minute, non-competitive pit stop stage breaks. You get your built in TV time outs without drawn out cautions (remember, lap count is no longer relevant), and you can reduce the insane number of "side-by-side" commercials while still getting your full ad sales job done.

[@Vilakazi]

No, i like the 3 hour races to be honest. It can be exhausting sometimes if it's a boring race, but the 3 hours at Kansas felt short. So i don't think it's about time exactly, it's about the product on track. 3 hours is fine for a good race.

[@lovejoyb20]

@@Vilakazi That just tells me you're older, like me. I was trying to shape it for the younger, way short attention span generation NASCAR is actually struggling with. You could do a 4 hour window with a 3 hour race, but the concept is the same. There are far more boring 3 hour, seemingly endless races than there are races like last weekend that feel short. The 3 hour time window was mostly to match the similar time windows of the more popular sports, especially the NFL. TV will have the final say, but based on every other sport doing everything they can to shorten their games, I expect NASCAR will be doing more of that as well. They're already turned some 500 mile races into 400 mile races. Hell, Gateway is a 300 mile race and took over 3 hours in 2022.

[@ernestquadrello8507]

Timed races might be a little too untraditional, but everything becomes a 300 except for Daytona, Charlotte, Bristol, and Darlington. Also F1/Indycar style qualifying to make those feel more like events as well. I love all 3, even Supercross which is short, timed, and competitive. NASCAR just feels the most sluggish to watch. Cut out some of the fat and give them more HP and we are set.

[@JoeSchmo747-t2c]

Idk why some people are so tribal about these things. Any driver in nascar would probably love to drive a formula one car and even lewis hamilton just said recently he would have fun driving an indycar or nascar.

[@RyanL88827]

The problem I have with NASCAR analyst is they don’t understand F1 fans. It’s NOT all about who wins. It’s Mclaren beating Alpine, Russell out qualifying Lewis, Magnussen getting a top 10. Also, Nascar created their own problems. Pissing on other Motorsports doesn’t fix them.

[@brianmiklic5058]

As someone who has watched Indy, F1, NHRA and NASCAR for years, I can tell you that I usually watch the prerace for F1up to the start of the race. Once the engines start, basically by the end of lap 1, you basically know the winner. The rest of the race is basically following the leader, limited passing for the lead or the team manager telling you not to past. If you watch Indycar on a street course, it is not too much different from that. You may get a pit call that changes the race but passing is limited, Put a NASCAR on a road course or an oval, chances are something is going to happen at a stage break or in the last section. The NASCAR street race is going to be a 4 hr F1 style event,

[@ps3beatswii]

This whole topic was like comparing apples and cucumbers. I'll keep watching it because I've been entrenched since the Maldonado years.

[@thekeithbutts]

Same man but I’ve been watching since the Senna years! These new fans are what’s killing it.

[@usleadershipareliars]

​@@thekeithbutts Blame D2S, New fans aren't there for the racing. It's pathetic

[@southsideintern]

I think they buried the lead here. The broadcast style was briefly mentioned but should be talked about more. F1 and even IndyCar have a far superior TV presentation (put aside the competition and passes etc) the play-by-play, the graphics, the information all of it. Obviously F1 benifits from only 20 cars from a presentation standpoint, but I feel they do a better just keeping fans informed and on the edge of their seats. Plus no commerical breaks for F1 - its like the new MLB approach. Get the event in, create excitment, get home quickly. Its the new way and NASCAR races with overtime can be a big drag some weekends. Fans don't sit around for 4 hours anymore. ALSO..the synergy being the F1 video game and F1 broadcast..is identical. The music, the graphics, its the same! so you get fans of the game (like me) who feel a connection to the actual race. Maybe i'm weird, but I love that. Its another tool they have beyond Netflix. The NASCAR video game product has been lacking for years.

[@thejerkyshack8040]

Exactly, every race is exciting if you know where to look and I think F1 does a better job explicitly showing you what's exciting. Sometimes it's still boring, but they sure as hell try.

[@hgriff14]

because F1 buys the time on the tv so they dont need commercials. nascar sells rights to races so the networks get the commercials.

[@baggedhemi]

Incredible timing just this weekend after watching Miami my thought was “NASCAR is so much more entertaining”

[@summitsandiego3160]

I am a Ride or Die NASCAR Fan. You are definitely right on the purely racing perspective. The race was phenomenal with all the action. Here are my thoughts on this. The only real exciting commentators are only Clint Bowyer on Fox however Tony Stewart provides his hot takes. The NBC team works extremely well and gives you a better product. Let’s talk commercials I wish there would be a way that NASCAR could cut down on the number of commercials because F1 is nearly commercial free. F1 also continues to hype itself with the Drive to Survive series where NASCAR’s show kind of flopped. The podcasts for NASCAR are mostly negative where we need the electricity afterwards even if the race was not that good. Spot out what went wrong critique it quickly and move on. This will get us ready for the next race.

[@TSi99999]

F1 broadcasts are really good. The Announcers are great and no commercials is amazing. I just got back into watching it after 5 or so years of not watching. This season the broadcasts got me back. The tire selection choices and DRS make for great strategy and passing. Lets not pretend if not for stage breaks and cautiions we wouldn't see Larson or another HMS car lead flag to flag at many speedways. Now l never miss Cup but internationally it unfortunately is seen as, a joke. They see Spec cars that are 1000 pounds overweight, same 358 c.i. engine formula/sound sjnce the 1970s, rock hard tires that do not fall off, superspeedways huge wreckfests and road course events everyone running people over in every corner. "Competition" cautions, stage breaks that it seems like everyone hates, hundreds of commercials, drink everytime Mike Joy says "teammate",gimmicky playoffs etc.

[@scottswinehart6901]

Need an actual manufacturer competition in NASCAR instead of a universal car with stickers…. That’s half the attraction and NASCAR doesn’t have it.

[@ericmicke4130]

One of the things they dont often tlak about when comparing is that you are spening 90 minutes to 2 hours of your day watching an F1 race. And in the US usually right after you wake uo and then you have the whole day. Even though currently id say the NASCAR product is generally better than F1 (hasnt always been that case IMO over the last 20 years) it doesnt take your entire day. And overall as someone who watches all types of racing, its just a different mindset. I have an expectation from F1 for what im going to get which is different from what i expect when i watch NASCAR or a sports car sprint or endurance race. Is anyone surprised a bunch of NASCAR people who have spent their lives as NASCAR fans and work in NASCAR dont think other series are as good as NASCAR?

[@markalbert9011]

Freddie's right. Guenther Steiner is the standout star of Drive to survive because he's a colorful character. NASCAR has always had an abundance colorful characters plus an abundance of actual racing too. Time to show the world NASCAR. Forget broadcast TV. HBO has a longtime connection with sports and a broader audience

[@DJ_Mooseknucks]

F1 racing is highly dependent on the track they're at and the development race between teams. It's far less consistent than NASCAR in terms of actual good racing, but it does provide incredible moments time to time. That's the main difference.

[@slfan68]

Number 1 reason I prefer to watch F1 over NASCAR (on TV at least) is because it is much easier for me to watch a 90 minute F1 race with zero commercials and announcers hyping the smallest moments. That said, my dream race to watch is cup series at either Suzuka again, or Spa. That would be incredible

[@king1dmt]

I’m sorry but I’ve lost my interest in NASCAR and have moved onto Indycar and F1. I actually understand their POINTS SYSTEM 😂

[@jantje155]

That is a very real argument. I watch both races, but am more a NASCAR fan. But what I love most of all is old school (80's and 90's) NASCAR races without the ridiculous playoff system

[@king1dmt]

@@jantje155 I go on KZbin now and just watch the early and late 2000s races. Todays NASCAR just doesn’t glue my eyes to the tv anymore

[@jantje155]

@@king1dmt I do watch the race every sunday, and find it more entertaining than the F1 race on that same day, but I too regularly watch old races. Currently watching the 1987 season on youtube.

[@mwlvranken]

commercial free broadcast is the key factor

[@Ronaldl2350]

I watch IMSA and motorcycle racing more than anything. Beats F1 and Nascar.

[@Racetastic]

For me I care more about F1 because every race of F1 matters equally in the championship. Only the winner matters in NASCAR until the chase, and you can argue it is the same in the chase. So in May do I care about a Nascar race in Kansas that Denny Hamlin won, not really. Any driver who deserves a shot will make the top 16, so what is the drama of the "regular season". I would be way more interested if the storyline right now is Ross Chastain is leading the points by 31 points and has yet to win a race, has no DNFs, can he keep this going the entire year vs the biggest teams. But he can be leading by a couple hundred points at the end of the regular season, doesn't really matter. Ultimately, the NASCAR races are closer but the invested fan has much less value there to dive into and be excited about. The story for me watching the F1 race was if Perez could find a way to pull out the win from the pole and create the tension of a championship battle between teammates, is Ferrari going to be the 3rd best manufacturer or is Aston Martin going to take it to them, are McLaren falling futher and further behind the rest of the teams. On top of that I care where drivers and teams finish all the way down the order in F1, can't say I ever look at the full standings of a NASCAR race anymore, it has no value. I used to watch Nascar races with the in car radio playing with the broadcast, thinking about pit strategy and good points days, now I prefer to consume F1 that way.

[@321-Gone]

I'm an F1/Indy/Prostock/WEC/IMSA GTP fan who is trying to get into stock car racing. So far it seems like passing in nascar is just crashing the car in front to pass. That would be a penalty in most forms of racing and mostly an immediate penalty. Stock car is confusing to me because of that.

[@burnsyp13]

search for compilations of NASCAR’s best passes/battles and you’ll see some of the proper stock car racing that everyone loves - I’d also suggest watching the replays of the recent Kansas race from this past weekend as well as last year’s Coca-Cola 600; two of the best races I’ve ever watched

[@Mike_GA]

Validated at NASCAR's race at COTA this year.

[@keeganbrown9967]

Best way for NASCAR to get a younger audience is 2 things: 1: A New badass Video Game 2: A streaming option, NO COMMERCIALS!!!

[@johnokeeffe5399]

The commercials and prolonged cautions are just killing interest in the NASCAR races for me these days. I hate the stage breaks, everything that slows the race down for no apparent reason other than to shoehorn more commercials into the broadcast. If I have to see the " I have to try it first" Coke commercial one more time I'm never buying another Coke product again.

[@peasantstimekeeper]

Comparing NASCAR to F1 is 🍎 apples to oranges 🍊. Everything about both sports is different... Ill tell you this, i WAS a diehard NASCAR fan 10+ yrs ago. Far more casual now. 10yrs ago i never saw an F1 race. Now, i pay the yearly subscription, been to a F1 event, and havent missed a lap in at least 3 years...

[@paulcarbone7354]

Lmaooo

[@matpk]

@@paulcarbone7354 IndyCar is way better🎉

[@kevn33]

Please don't hate on me! F1 is my favorite to watch and listen to. The one thing I know I don't like in Nascar is that too many drivers use their front bumper to push their opponents out of the way to gain an advantage without getting penalized. I'm sure everyone can remembers Ross Chastain's wall ride, I don't like watching cheaters. Although I will admit that I did not mind watching Dale Earnhardt sr. push drivers out of his way and honestly I feel like his passing is what led me to stop watching NASCAR races because I couldn't watch my favorite driver anymore. Plus watching any NASCAR race was just a painful reminder of his passing. Many tears were shed, you would have thought my best friend died. I do regret not watching his son Jr. race. Another main reason I enjoy F1 is that the teams can choose between different tire compounds. I love watching someone come through the field on soft tires while the leader is still on his medium or hard tires hoping to hold on to the lead. Another thing I like about F1 is the DRS that they use. If your car is fast enough to catch the car in front of you, the DRS allows you to actually make the pass instead of getting stuck behind them even though your car is faster.

[@futaba951]

I quit watching Nascar about 2005. My favorite drivers were retiring, the COT was just around the corner and sponsors were running away. It seemed like a good time to tune out, too.

[@joninpgh]

I watch F1 too but the problem is that the cars have gotten a lot bigger but the tracks haven’t so there’s almost no passing. And every week the top three are a mix of the same five guys.

[@EL1TESHARK]

Watched em side-by-side Sunday. The F1 was practically muted on my smaller screen. The Cup race was the only thing keeping me from boredom or sleep. F1 only has off-track entertainment. NASCAR has on and off-track entertainment. There's no better example of this than the Cup race on Sunday. NASCAR has a racing product that is second to none

[@mdw1000]

If NASCAR could learn to race on a road course without wrecking everyone, that would help a lot. There’s some great road racers in nascar, but the behavior in turn 1 at COTA needs a lot of work.

[@SwigerQ86]

We saw the same thing in the F1 race a couple weeks ago. They don't hardly ever do restarts with 1 or 2 laps left. Honesty it showed how good nascar drivers are doing that most of the time

[@mdw1000]

@@SwigerQ86 I guess my point is that in other forms of road racing you get penalized if you turn another car and you could have avoided it (not a racing incident). So you have to use more skill to pass. Nascar allows the drivers to police themselves, so you don’t get penalized for wrecking a guy in the braking zone or corner. I don’t mind them using a little contact to move someone a bit (rubbins racing after all), but I prefer to watch passing with skill. I also get that others like a lot of contact. I just feel bad for the guys in the shops that put so much work into the cars, but I guess it’s job security for them 😄

[@coryculbert2847]

It's different and possible to like and appreciate both at the same time.

[@ajdahun]

Depends upon the track. That stated Indy Cars is way more exciting than those two put together

[@jimsoutdooradventures2748]

I have been a Nascar fan for more than 20 years but two years ago I cut the cord, so I can't agree more that Nascar needs to be on the main networks. I do miss the races on FS1 and NBCSN but it is what it is .

[@quentinanderson8456]

I 100% agree with freddy that the F1 commentators are amazing. I dont really watch F1 just the highlights and they are incredible.

[@aaronb4936]

I lived and breathed nascar from 95-2015. And it was clear that nascar wasn’t interested in the sporting aspect of racing as much as the tv “entertainment”. When they lost the pure racing and started manipulating things to create a “show” they were essentially abandoning longtime fans. Things like gwc finishes, double file restarts, endless playoff formats, and now races broken into stages.. all that may be entertaining to some But it’s all manufactured/fake excitement to me personally. I truly do enjoy F1 more than nascar currently. I see f1 making some of the same “entertainment” mistakes with sprint weekends and other things but it’s still a much more raw racing experience than nascar is currently:

[@michaelgraves5320]

nascar needs more old school excitement, more bump and run and more setup freedom. The fact the Fords are struggling this race season shouldn't be a thing.

[@flacko_jody2130]

Depends whether you like passing or watching cars go fast.

[@TalladegaTom]

That is certainly a very fair point. I suspect that many people reading this have driven performance cars and can relate to that. I watched in AWE as the F1 cars decelerated from 200mph down to around 40 in mere seconds. The cars performance is something to see. Yet, the actual racing competition at Kansas was really good.

[@SwigerQ86]

They both go fast.

[@jacobguy3343]

I only watch formula 1 when It's on super early and I have nothing else too and the one upside is u don't see the Dodge Ram commercial 1000 times lol

[@jantje155]

coming from Europe, I enjoy watching the commercials like the Dodge ones and especially the hilarious Busch commercials (head for the mountains of... lol). Though I also feel blessed when the stream Im using doesnt show the commercial and I just get to continue watching the race haha

[@jacobguy3343]

@Cycle Gypsy lol I actually the funny commercials too but Damn the hearttttttt like a Truuuuuckkkkkk is over used at this point 😅

[@jantje155]

@@jacobguy3343 hahaha fair enough

[@Thunderer0872]

Coming from the UK F1 has struggled to get traction in the states since it stopped going to the Glen or a Vegas parking lot in the 70's/80's, I've watched F1 since the 1970's, but not so much NASCAR I can see the attraction and I get the argument here, F1 this season is messed up, the Red Bull is the only car in class of its own. but I get why its so hard to get any interest in the states, granted the Drive to survive show has brought in new viewing figs. I think to promote NASCAR worldwide needs a similar show to get it a world interest. No way was Miami a good race, it sucked, as for the driver announcement seemed a waste of space for us F1 fans but again I get why you would do it for an American audience at the race track.

[@NewWorldCT]

If you love close racing and tough racing, you watch NASCAR. If you love strategy and love tech, you watch F1. If you love all four? You watch IndyCar.

[@Sknarfn]

The racing is consistently better in NASCAR but I think the highs in F1 are higher than NASCAR. But the phantom cautions to reset the field and the copy and pasted tracks since the 90s expansion soured me as someone who grew up a NASCAR fan. Over the last 7 years I have watched almost every F1 race while watching maybe 1 out of every 4 NASCAR race. The tech/engineering side of F1 is fascinating to me. Even if they are making some questions decisions on the tracks they’ve added or replaced, the tracks are so much more interesting in F1 than NASCAR.

[@Rannd]

I used to watch NASCAR and now only watch the KZbin recaps. I always try to watch F1 qualifying and full races. NASCAR races are too far too long, that is the problem. Oh yeah… F1 races are commercial free.

[@crouchb15]

Good point

[@usleadershipareliars]

Full ride around, it's not racing

[@demonrko3497]

I’ve never heard about the Netflix series until now I got my interest in F1 because of NASCAR 21 ignition being a bad nascar game and started to play F1 21 and got hooked on it.

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

IndyCar deserves way more attention than Formula 1! But too bad they don’t know how to market and advertise their product

[@edjbox]

3:00 NASCAR’s trying to have exclusive streaming races so you can’t watch it on regular TV, big mistake and not good for longtime fans and sponsors

[@timelapsebroheem962]

Think about if Garage 56 wasn’t just a Chevy Cup car. If they brought a Ford and a Toyota as well. That’s three cars to watch at LeMans instead of just one.

[@superimu]

Formula One did a good job of pissing the American Motorsports scene while trying to actively court it.

[@scottk3034]

I like both but for different reasons.

[@jasonwoodward3697]

Been watching F1 since I was a kid. Love the sport as an American. Used to love NASCAR however if it isn’t a super speedway, short track or road coarse, the racing on most weekends is not much better than F1. W stage racing and the new cars the ovals really are not any better.

[@dan3162]

F1 is better in a couple ways; it’s not scripted (think about the competition yellows…REALLY?!), F1 isn’t limited to a schedule that’s got the broken record of 1-1.5 mile ovals (granted it’s finally getting better), F1 isn’t 4 hours of drafting with no one able to pass because their team did better R&D.

[@FrostyBrew]

Nascar can't do any real R&D - the cars are standardized. That's why the races are way closer. Better parity.

[@TalladegaTom]

F1 coverage is FAR better than the NASCAR coverage. It has a much better feel to it. F1 has fewer commercials and the commercials are far less annoying and repetitive compared to the bombardment of them when trying to watch NASCAR. Seriously... the hell with Coke. I do NOT 'need to try it first'. Just that stupid commercial alone makes my case.

[@jantje155]

I absolutely agree. I am a verstappen fan, and the only reason I started watching F1 is because I heard he and hamilton were closely matched in 2021. Of course I wanna see him win but with the new regulations since 2022, I really hoped we would see at least 4 or 5 real championship contenders. Instead, we're back to the exact same thing that happened with Hamilton and Schumacher. Of course NASCAR has Earnhardt, Petty and such, but those guys took like 20 years to get 7 titles, instead of 10.

[@jantje155]

The fact that F1 cars need DRS to pass is pathetic

[@keithjrisk]

F1 could be a lot more exciting if they just put some damn fenders on the cars. (and maybe a few more drivers with names we can pronounce)

[@jantje155]

I totally agree. If you're racing and have to focus on not touching all the time, thats bound to be boring. Also, f1 cars are waaay to far apart when it comes to abilities (the sheer dominance of mercedes for the past 10 years, and now Red Bull). Also, I think if you need something like DRS to even be able to pass a car, there's something wrong with your racing platform.

[@TSi99999]

​@Cycle Gypsy yep NASCAR needs it also. All the Driver's complaining about not being able to pass at Martinsville

[@aaronmachado13]

didn’t NASCAR try that last year with “ race for the championship “? I love both series coming from a more motocross background. Motorsport culture is at its healthiest when there’s no “ top dog” and rather embracing other racing disciplines. F1 was arguably at its peak same time as NASCAR and Earnhardt even payed tribute to Senna when he passed. That’s what the old IROC series was founded upon was creating a series meant to encourage motorsport athletes from different disciplines to compete together.

[@the.witch.of.november]

Race for the championship was only on peacock though, they really need to expand it to get newer people in.

[@Yankee7000]

Regardless of whether or not F1 is better or not: NASCAR is slipping in ratings for years . Fix that. Don’t worry your pretty little heads hem and hawing at F1. All y’all have enough on your hands with the lower interest in NASCAR.

[@whassupg89]

Here as a lifetime F1 fan who loves nascar too. The guys are talking a lot of sense here

[@talenmcgraw6102]

Yes come to Canada. We would support a race easily. Half the crowd in Michigan is Canadians

[@jasgen1391]

Nascar needs to be on network tv.

[@POB_.963]

My problem with Nascar is I can’t get past the stage racing and playoffs. Indycar is my favorite Motorsport followed closely by Imsa/WEC. IF Nascar got rid of the stage cautions and playoff system I’d put it in the Imsa/WEC category

[@DominicanBobby]

Love listening to your guys's show

[@eddieredmann3]

I will say this about the excitement aspect of NASCAR versus F1: does NASCAR have any team's CEO publicly blasting his brand new team principal for underachieving for the 7th year in a row? I didn't think so.

[@frankword9889]

sorry though, I have been a NASCAR fan all my life ( I am 50 now). and I am SICK of left after left and the bland personalities. Literally Kyle Busch and Ross Chastain are the only reason I watch. I do like F1 for different reasons, its more entertaining for me. My recommendation to NASCAR would be to move the Australian Supercar series. North American StockCar Auto Racing)....There is abso-fkn-lutely NOTHING stock about these cars. To ME nothing is more entertaining than the Aussie SuperCars which ARE STOCK cars

[@stephenwhite1393]

NASCAR can't put a crowd in the stands matching F1's in the same venue in Texas...no one in the F1 world is worried about NASCAR going international 😅

[@luckyjim51]

Go back and watch Senna and Michael Shoemocker racing in the rain. It was F'N amazing.... this last weekend was a great cup race. Figure it out nascar...!!

[@herrmarklepotz8326]

I've been watching F1 all my life. It just doesn't have the same natural excitement any more. Part of the excitement was in the scarcity... The Management has replaced passion with greed. I first saw NASCAR in the 80s and watched on and off, when I could find it on random satellite feeds. Been following it again full-time since 2018. Last year or two, I've even gone full addict, watching ARCA, Trucks, and Xfinity, as well as Cup Series. Whilst I could do without the sledgehammer advertising, the racing is, mostly, much more exciting than F1. That said, BTCC, F2, F3, all much more exciting than F1, today.

[@lowrider0two]

One The great thing about F1 is the yellow flags. I would love it if someone knew the status of yellow flags in one race. This is what kills it for me in Nascar

[@cvetkovlive]

These guys are butt hurt that F1 is taking over rapidly. There is a reason why F1 in US went from one race In Austin, TX to 3 venues now including Miami and Vegas. Vegas night race will be a new mega in USA and by the time these coping grandpas will wake up NASCAR will be behind. I am fan of both sports and watch every race, but out of all the races we had this year in NASCAR only Kansas really brought a show. By the way, DAYTONA 500 sucks. Change my mind.

[@kriswysong6038]

It’s not just the Netflix show…F1 has also had great video games while nascar has struggled big time.

[@eternalharvestfarm]

They are completely different racing styles. You may say wow F1 is boring, but it's no more boring than watching a mile and a half NASCAR race. One thing that brought me back to F1 and why I watch F1 more than NASCAR now is points racing. There is excitement week in and week out following the points standings. I literally went from watching all NASCAR races to maybe 4 or 5 because of this stupid 'Playoffs'. Netflix is why people come out to the American F1 races, it's not why people follow F1 day in and day out.

[@BigBird629]

f1 isnt a spec car series so they are more far apart, nascar has stage racing and the playoffs and thats a HUGE turnoff edit: this was also a street track, a boring race was to be expected

[@toddcrosby3896]

Go to Daytona or go to Monaco? Easy answer, Monaco! I have been to both, no comparison.

[@yvlakhtionov]

The guys have no clue what they’re talking about. It’s like asking a burger eaters to give an opinion about Michelin restaurant… It’s just completely different things and you can’t compare side by side. F1 is not about 100 overtakings per lap and drivers go bumping in each other every minute. It’s just different racing. You cannot compare like this. NASCAR has its own crowd whose get what they want, and F1 has it’s own.

[@hulldowngaming909]

I dont know where this idea came from where if cars aren't close together on the racetrack than they aren't racing. Maybe someone can explain it to me.

[@RSDX99]

In both sports, it's who spends the most usually wins most but just not enough passing in F1

[@markdawsonziglar9436]

I can’t honestly say whether I like one over the other…I watch (& race online) both. F1 is a different kind of racing; I will concede that NASCAR, by & large, is more exciting.

[@jaedog53]

F1 is pure racing. Before nascar neutered the engines a few years ago, Truex won at California by like 20 seconds with 10 cars on the lead lap even with wave arounds and lucky dogs. Not every race needs a three wide finish with a flip into the fence.

[@kyle381000]

Pure racing? Verstappen won 15 races last year and Red Bull has won every race so far this year. You call that racing?

[@jaedog53]

@@kyle381000 That's exactly what racing is. Not some watered down puppet show. The best teams will always be the best teams

[@Maverick33]

At least NASCAR doesn't have the champion crowned with 4-6 races left on a yearly basis. And NASCAR isn't so strict to the point drivers are afraid to even pass each other unlike F1. In NASCAR, you can start 20th and still win thanks to pit strategy and cautions. In F1, the only way to win is starting on pole and win by half a lap.

[@jaedog53]

@@Maverick33 That's not true at all. In 2021 the championship was tied going into the last race, without a points reset. There is no pit strategy in nascar. Races are decided by whose left. Pit at end of stage 1, end of stage 2, and then at the green white checkered with 2 to go. No more green flag stops except at Talladega for some reason. Atleast F1 has a decent tire with different compounds

[@michaeldorich4485]

This is a good discussion. Currently F1 races a re boring because the cars are so unequal. That's NASCAR strength. In my opinion there are too many NASCAR races, Each F1 race is a special event like the Indycar race in Long Beach. Secondly old NASCAR fans like the rough driving that goes on. For new people they love the closeness of the races in NASCAR. But, when you have drivers who intentionally wreck other drivers at the end of the race like Chastain did for his first win in Austin last year new viewers are not going to come back. It's the only major sport which consistently allows the leader to be intentionally taken out without penalty. That's demolition derby. A good example was the race in Austin this year. Drivers could be penalized for exceeding track limits but not for wrecking other cars. If the competition among the teams in F1 gets equalized, which not likely, it will surpass NASCAR in viewership.

[@madweazl]

The draw to F1 for me is that the cars are evolving every race. This year has been pretty solid as there are 4 teams that at least have a chance to win (though Red Bull has a huge advantage at the moment). I quit regularly watching NASCAR about 10 years ago. I prefer circuits to circle tracks now and the cars (NASCAR) just aren't appealing to me.

[@hgriff14]

there’s more passing in one lap of nascar than an entire race. i tried to get into it a few years ago but it is obviously just british classism on a race track with the differences in money they can spend.

[@davids5006]

Overpriced is what F1 is

[@ravenbh]

before even playing the video.... Yes... Just yes.

[@markalbert9011]

I had a Jackie Stewart poster on my bedroom wall. I leapt out of my chair spilling food and beer everywhere when Hakkinen passed Schumacher. I won over $500 in bets when Lewis won his first championship.....But I also stopped watching after Lewis won his 3'rd. No point. When you and THE ANOUNCERS go in hoping against hope for some competitive action somewhere during the race there's a problem.

[@bigt6359]

I like racing period… put a motor on just about anything and I will watch it!

[@GlassOfWhiteMilk]

This argument entirely depends on which race. Some nascar races can be boring asf

[@timdonnelly110]

Drag racing is number 1 in my books

[@paulday5722]

They are right. There were more passes for position during the Kansas race than F1 will have all season. F1 can never put on a show like Bristol, Talladega or Watkin's Glen. It's all about glitz and image while NASCAR is all about "rubbin' is racin'

[@howlinwolf25a]

Motorsport should be about interacting with and entertaining the fans, Nascar does this really well, for F1 all that stuff is more like an inconvenience. It would not be as bad if they had a great product when it comes to the racing, it really is boring to watch for the most part, its better than it has been but all that wonderful technology is wasted if it does not produce anything worth watching.

[@dchawk81]

I don't think these guys realize how many people walk away from a Nascar race and come back at the end because of how boring the middle is. That's why they invented stage racing in the first place.

[@RK-fh4bp]

F1 racing does get boring, but I appreciate how they run their organization. NASCAR would be better for me if they got rid of stages and the playoffs. As a pure Motorsport fan, I just hate those two components and it makes NASCAR seem like more of a gimmick than a prestigious Motorsport organization

[@jeremypepin481]

F1 actually markets the drivers and personality’s. NASCAR doesn’t put any effort into that, they’re completely clueless. That’s why F1 is growing despite the racing being boring

[@andrewwaring3643]

NASCAR should go to f1s most popular tracks and put on exhibition races and beat them at their own game

[@Hamlin2Fast]

NASCAR is definitely the more entertaining racing

[@thejman3489]

F1 is a real race though. With NASCAR it really doesn't matter how the race went. They throw an unnecessary caution to send it into overtime and several drivers who were not in contention to win the race now have a chance to steal a win. At that point they should have just run 2 laps and call it a day. Not to mention the driver who was the first to complete the scheduled distance should have already won the race. Race manipulation at it finest.

[@CHEVY4245]

While some aspects are worse, some are much better. Y'all need to leave the echo chamber

[@zatgeye7320]

NASCAR is never gonna sniff F1 internationally. The fact that nations get behind their individual drivers is the biggest hurdle. A field full of US drivers and token internationals aint gonna do it. Plus nearly every nation has their own touring car series. Most admittedly arent on NASCAR's level. I just cant see 400,000 people over 3 days attend a NASCAR event in Australia for example like they did for F1

[@P42_foamer]

I mean F1 and NASCAR had its glory years in the 90s but modernly I would have to pick nascar, srry Lewis Hsmilton!