Is one-button Sonic Blade worth rewiring your brain? Exploring SF6 Guile Modern Controls

[@Matt101Vgettio]

I feel like street fighter 6 is the perfect time to bring back some excellent adventures

[@MrCarlorr]

As someone who has played since SF2 came out and Alpha 3 is my favorite so I know classic controls. Modern just feels right with fighters like Guile or Zangief. I never expect to beat a high level pro but anyone else gg!

[@jildert]

Only handful of days left till full release, can't wait! Already upgraded the layout for my leverless so I'm ready to go :-)

[@crosscountertv]

What did you change? Post a photo

[@AlphaProto]

It was fun seeing Goo explore the possibilities of Modern controls with charge characters.

[@crosscountertv]

Not trying to get caught slippin, and hopefully you guys won't either ^_^

[@tzera_rhuon]

I hated modern with Chun. It seemed her fireballs only came out by charging *exactly* back; charging DB just gave her honshou (spelling?), likewise charging DB and moving to back. She also loses SBK without inputting it naturally and several key normals. I think I'd feel more comfortable playing one of the new characters on modern than a legacy character.

[@akinasgreatest01]

Will we ever get a gootecks and mike ross does sf6?😢

[@ElectricNikkiGames]

For when I switched to modern I adopted this layout. (M) (H) (Auto) (nothing) (L) (Sp) (DP) (DI) This let's me throw using the normal method i've always used, do supers by hitting V-skill and a direction, my ring finger can hover over auto and DP for when they're needed, and my pinky is on DI. This has been the most comfirtable solution for me, but it did take a bit to not press heavy when i was thinking medium because it sits in a spot where MP would normally be, but i've gotten used to it now and enjoy it.

[@tobimangaka]

We are SO back

[@aamake547]

Modern controls are definitely something serious players should lab, even if you don't plan on using them. Modern controls have distinct advantages and disadvantages, and we should take time to familiarize ourselves with the system. Whether you like it or not, modern controls are here and we got to treat them like an annoying character, and lab the matchup. One of the concerning things about modern controls though, is that there are certain option selects that only work on modern controls. And as veterans know in this community, powerful OS's can make or break games. Also love what you said, about it's hard to beat something that you hate. Essentially, you're letting your opponent tilt you before the match even starts. This hurdle took me years and years to overcome.

[@crosscountertv]

Exactly, I'm glad I spent some time with it because you never know what you find. For example, with Ryu, I found that his Autocombo #1, AUTO+Light, Light (i think), was st. LK xx Donkey Kick. Once I saw how easy it was in Modern, I started incorporating it into my Ryu game because I could see how Modern players could get a lot of mileage out of it. And there are definitely a lot of OS possibilities. That's currently above my paygrade, but somewhere out there, someone is working on something grimy right now. It took me a long time to realize it as well, that's why I try not to think too much about what I like and don't like. Luke is another example. On one hand, it's easy to get triggered by him, but on the other, I do see that he is the new face, so unless I don't see myself playing Street Fighter much longer, I better start to learn to deal with him, otherwise it's going to be a constant source of negative energy.

[@MrRubydoobs]

Thought's on changing stick buttons? Setting tradition LP to DI, LK to tech, Shen pushing the rest along one button... so ur old PPP is now HP if u know what I mean

[@crosscountertv]

yeah I can see that working if you feel more comfortable with DI on the left side. IMO setting one button to throw is a waste unless you have extra buttons to spare or have difficulty teching

[@MrRubydoobs]

@@crosscountertv TBH I haven't played much SFV. I played a big chunk when it came out. Thought it wasn't very good and stopped playing. But in 4 I played a bunch. I never really touched the spare buttons. But I feel like thumb to quick tech while walking forward might be good. Anyways. Subbed. HAven't really tuned in since SF4 died, I think I've seen every excellent adventures episode. SF6 looks the shit tho, and I hope you can make some dough out it. Keep it up.

[@MrRubydoobs]

And by tech-ing I mean parrying lol

[@KAMAKAZE_ZC]

That was fun watching you struggle.

[@crosscountertv]

It definitely took at least an extra processing core or two in my brain to even do as bad as I did. ;(

[@xaviergonzales9562]

Gootecks! Hey dude I just came across your channel for the first time in years ! I’m talking like excellent adventure days ! Man you brought a lot of good times and laughs to me in my high school days . So thank you for that ! With launch coming out soon, man it would be an honor to run some sets with you . Let me know if you are down gootecks !

[@crosscountertv]

Gonna be streaming a bunch post-release so keep an eye out ;)

[@xaviergonzales9562]

@@crosscountertv looking forward to it brotha . I’m pumped up for launch .

[@ihavetubes]

In a counter pick situation what advantages would modern control have over classic at the highest level? This is something that I been thinking about.

[@ihavetubes]

Also modern control may allow people to control and play effectively even more characters allowing for more counter play.

[@crosscountertv]

One-button Super seems like it would be a big deal in scenarios where you're able to punish things you wouldn't otherwise. And yeah I think Modern is useful for learning new characters. Not necessarily to main them, but to gain a better understanding of how they work so as to fight against them more effectively

[@TheKai432]

Gootecks I am a pad player and I tried to play on stick. There is a learning curve for any hardware thats a Givenchy. Hitbox isn't a shortcut but let's not act like it doesn't provide more precise inputs.

[@crosscountertv]

100% there's a learning curve for each controller. I wouldn't say it provides more precise inputs than pad, but compared to stick, it does for sure

[@pellmara5045]

Great video Gooey! Hope to see more content like this ❤

[@crosscountertv]

More to come!

[@Untitled893]

Cool Video Gootecks!👍I am definitely going to try characters on modern controls. But I will say that I don't think Hitbox is much different than learning a how to use a fighting stick coming from controller if anything its easier. Typing is easier to translate into button presses as opposed to moving your entire hand/wrist for the motion. hitbox is a keyboard fighting stick if you can type you can play hitbox 👀.

[@crosscountertv]

The learning curve is steep either way. I've seen many lost souls try to switch from pad to stick and give up in the process. It doesn't matter what you play on if you don't practice effectively and aren't willing to build the muscle memory

[@chaosic08]

I used to play fighting games on keyboard way back in the day! I personally think certain things are a lot easier and precise using that kind of control, but I could never for the life of me figure out how to do SPDs on the keyboard 👀

[@jadedbreadncircus9159]

My biggest hurdle is the physical layout of the buttons. I trained the HitBox layout on keyboard in SFV first, & after finally getting my Snack Box, I was losing on easiest again. I was used to my keys being close, & being able to hit lp+lk with one finger pressing the gap between keys. I get physically lost on the actual stick, but I assume it's another learning speedbump.

[@Lightsong001]

Hey Gooteks could you release some content about hitbox?! I switched to it too so it's awesome to see you on it!

[@crosscountertv]

There's a video I put up a few weeks ago about the SOCD DP shortcuts, that should hold you over for a bit :)

[@crosscountertv]

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[@Lightsong001]

@@crosscountertv Thanks! Again, it's so good to have you back, much love ❤️

[@JoeRahl]

You could have set controls to C in like normal, then chose M for Guile in training where you switch characters. Not that it matters anymore as we'll have access to regular training mode in 4 1/2 days, lol. Unless you want to train M on a cab in the future.

[@crosscountertv]

I'll keep that in mind for Beta #4 ;)

[@jadedbreadncircus9159]

Modern kinda looks like Smash Bros controls. Id really like to know how to universally turn Modern off for the whole game.

[@crosscountertv]

Here you go: kzbin.info_SSsYPZBI8Y?feature=share

[@m3dinant]

i think learning a new character from scratch in modern would be a lot easier then trying to rewire your brain for n existing character

[@crosscountertv]

Yup that's definitely what it seems like

[@D117-m5p]

I think the new control are interesting it may make few things easier but I think if u get use to it won’t bug people as much lol

[@crosscountertv]

100% it makes a lot easier, but IMO the less SF experience you have, the easier it is

[@belikewatersf1051]

I will always prefer classic, it’s just more rewarding and satisfying.

[@crosscountertv]

"THE FUTURE IS NOW, OLD MAN"

[@KillahManjaro]

True indeed. When i'm watching people playing and using Hitboxes, it's like they are not interested in the game, no emotions.

[@belikewatersf1051]

@@crosscountertv 😅

[@MajeedBelle]

Cheers Goo.

[@pauloshea6291]

I think if you want to learn modern controls then you should start with a brand new character also! Someone you've never played before. 30 years of playing guile the same way won't easily leave your brain. Whereas with a new character like Jamie you'll just be like 'oh, this is how he works'

[@crosscountertv]

100% Paul, much easier to start with a clean slate

[@maskofacryingclown3]

No lie. I tried modern and couldn't wrap my mind around it. It was too confusing even tho it is "supposedly" easier. I'm stuck in my habits for the past 30 yrs. Guess you Can't teach this old dawg new shortcut tricks.

[@crosscountertv]

I know the feel. Try a character you don't know how to play

[@REMfakeplastictrees]

This feels like joystick vs dpad. Classic/joystick feels better but modern is gonna have its pros just like dpad. At the end of the day what matters is how you like to play, ppl are so pressed to shape everyone to only what they like.

[@crosscountertv]

Yeah I guess now we're gonna have 4 categories of players: - stick - pad - leverless - modern Or maybe we'll have six cuz you can play Modern on stick/pad/leverless

[@SomaBT]

Hold back 2 seconds then motion foward and punch to perform Boomer Sonic Boom.

[@crosscountertv]

LMAO BOOMER BOOM!!!

[@FriskuStrife]

Modern is fucking broken sometinds and i hate it.

[@TheRizzWhiz]

I feel like I'm gonna get folded in this game. It looks so aggressive and just a mess. One of the reasons I hated 3rd Strike and DBFZ

[@kingabsalon21]

Sounds like a Skill issue if you ask me.

[@TheRizzWhiz]

@@kingabsalon21 I didn't. And it's not.

[@ELGUAPOIV]

@@kingabsalon21 you are a troll. no need to do that bro

[@ELGUAPOIV]

yeah, it is going to be a mess the first few weeks. i think once people figure out parry timings and chokepoints it will be a little better

[@TheRizzWhiz]

@@ELGUAPOIV It's possible. But you can see that the game heavily favors pressing buttons. I guess I'll find out once I play a character I want to play. I skipped the beta because it didn't have Gief, Manon or Lily... And did you see that Guile corner loop and Chun Li's and pretty much everybody lol. That's what I'm saying it's just a button happy game from what I see.

[@jasonsmith530]

Holding back for 2 seconds is stupid It artificially forces defensive play

[@millerwrightt]

Not as much as you think! Since you can hold backwards during moves and jumps, it doesn't restrict play style as much as limit the usage of very powerful moves

[@crosscountertv]

That was the idea in SF2. Also, I don't think it's a coincidence that Guile, a defensive character, is in the US Air Force, aka part of the Department of DEFENSE. As to whether that's stupid, that's a matter of personal opinion

[@KillahManjaro]

That's if you only relying on special moves. most charge characters have better normals than other characters so you should be exploiting that. If you're relying on special moves to win with charge characters you won't do well. they alson teach you meter management and spacing. You can play rush-down with charge characters, you just have to work on your pre-charge timing as well as plan a couple moves ahead in advance. I'm a Ryu main and I love to use charge characters, I wasn't feeling any of the charge characters in SF5 but in SF4 I used Chun, Guile, Deejay, Gen who was a hybrid and Honda and will be going back to Deejay in SF6.

[@crosscountertv]

Yeah many charge characters, including Guile, have normals that move them forward so they can advance while still maintaining their charge.

[@Feetism]

I need an honest unbiased opinion; as a aspiring Juri beginner who had practiced time and time again, my practice is immediately thrown out the window due to in game anxiety so i have mis inputs and finger slips, cold hands the lot. Do i try modern? But use it to play in baby steps and once my anxiety goes away, try to go back to classic?

[@millerwrightt]

Might as well try it. If you don't like it switching back to classic is easy

[@crosscountertv]

You should probably play with Dynamic first, then once you get the hang of it, then try Modern

[@KillahManjaro]

You should play more casual matches until you get more comfortable. in casuals you don't have to worry about losing points and you can experiment more. forget about winning the match, if you can pull off a move in casuals that you've been practicing then that's a win. just build on those little wins and you'll get better over time. Fighting games is one of those genres where losing can make you better, as well as having a short memory, don't dwell on those bad matches you just have to know why you're loosing and how to correct it. Use the replay function and study what you are doing wrong and fix them. As for modern vs classic, I'm riding with classic. I understand the need to have modern with newer players and player retention. I feel classic will be more rewarding in the long run.

[@Feetism]

​@@crosscountertv i never got to explore Dynamic, how does it work?