Is Online Poker Rigged? The Truth FINALLY Revealed

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Do you think online poker is rigged? Also, check out my latest video on how to make $5000 a month playing poker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hX2ngpmAnt6Bprs

[@D1G1TALFOX]

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[@nicor6415]

Some Alu-hat players would say you are actually an employee of the Poker industry and all your Pokercontent and advice are only made to make the population invest more and more money into the industry. So the only thing which is rigged - is You :D :P

[@supp5123]

Fold

[@Run187]

No, just more hands dealt so you see more bullshit. Why would sites even need to rig hands they make millions daily without rigging..

[@supp5123]

@@Run187 lol

[@stevenbell5224]

I’ve noticed I always run good the first day after depositing if its been a while since I deposited. Or if it’s a new site. They always do that. They can afford you to win a few thousand every now and then. But it’s always the next days after that I can never win. Every single time without fail. I can always just tell when I am gonna start losing. And like the only way I am able to win a pot is by some ridiculous bullshit. Like I will lose all my straight forward large pots. And then after I lose they let me win some ridiculous back door hand or some dogshit. I don’t just lose some cooler hands and think it’s rigged. I notice the same patterns of winning and losing. And it’s always the same. I’ve experienced it so many times over the years.

[@Gumbocinno]

Deposit once, get the bag, leave, go to the next site, deposit, get the bag, leave. Make yourself a rainy day fund. Fuck online poker sites.

[@crackerslim2469]

Yup , it actually felt good to play at a live poker table after seeing so much horseshit with online poker​@@Gumbocinno

[@foreveryoung7757]

100% man. Same with me. They call it a variance, I disagree. I see same patterns every single time. they need action players to win, to be happy and to create a big pot so as their rake is big enough. No more online poker. rigged 100%

[@GUMPxGAMES]

If online poker isn't rigged, Mike Postle is the greatest poker player in history.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

CTO ftw!

[@armandofurtado4848]

legend

[@antoniogubaira2303]

I think ALL poker sites are rigged most of the time. When I started playing with play money I used to win 60% of the time.Once I started betting real money, at first I won with the welcome tickets, but after that I began loosing 80% of the time. I still play micro stakes for the fun of it, but I am convinced you can´t beat fraudulent algorithms.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

80% seems very high indeed!

[@andrewa5662]

I agree, it wouldn't be hard for them to do. They can control where a player sits at any given table and each hand is pre determined by its number identifier. They simply put people in games who work for the site who know when they have best hand. Safest bet is not to mess with it.

[@tomsaywer8403]

For sure there are lots of scams and cheating online.

[@douglasfreitas9720]

@@andrewa5662 yep,they mess up with the game of everyone,in the end everyone loses

[@maveluck]

Nice thought

[@phillipholmes5206]

It's not a question of 'everybody will suffer bad-beats occaisionally' it is like an impossible seemingly endless run of bad-beats that you will never see on a live table. Speaking as someobe who has played virtually every day for the last 5 years, and who plays on many sifferent sites, you can see the difference between sites. Often it seems like you are playing a completely different game between sites.

[@Gen_66]

Is there any site that is seemingly less rigged? I really want to play but I hate their fixed rngs

[@TimeHandler]

@@Gen_66 they don't fix their rngs. You're being colluded vs.... they don't steal eachothers blinds, so they can wait for really good hands, and also take MASSIVELY -EV jams vs u, in a sng that is, not sure about what edges they take in cash games, but i'm sure they have a long list.

[@ndb5jd9w_xw]

What's the best site in your opinion?

[@phillipholmes5206]

GGPoker seems fairer to me, i.e. when you have the best hand it seems to hold up more acording to the actual odds.

[@skullduggery3377]

@@TimeHandler - but the nature of SNG'S is such that you are often put into a push/fold situation if you haven't accumulated many chips and your M is spiraling. sometimes you have to make pre flop shoves with marginal holdings, especially when the previous action or your position dictates so; and that then becomes even more important than your actual holdings. so in those situations, you are primarily looking to just pick up the blinds with folds and when you get lucky when someone does call, it may appear to be a -EV move on your part, when from an ICM standpoint, it may have been a perfectly fine line to take, especially when open shoving ranges become very wide as the blinds become large and your stack is dwindling. with antes in play, they become even wider.

[@bryantaylor9874]

Few weeks ago in a similar hand I saw someone raise 99% of their stack and fold when raised the last 1%. 20 years of poker and I've never seen anything like that before.

[@jesseengland5967]

I had this guy on my right who was clearly folding based on how much stack he had rather than pot size. He would literally calp off 20% of his stack on flop 30% on turn and then almost always folded river. I ended up taking 5 or 6 buy ins from him.

[@bryantaylor9874]

@@jesseengland5967 nice wish they were all that easy lol

[@frankdebellis2879]

Chip dumping

[@bryantaylor9874]

@@frankdebellis2879 I know that sounds like a clear cut case of dumping but it was a reg in an o8 tourney, a very very bad reg, and I don't think it was. When the other guy potted the turn it just happened to leave the reg with like 1bb. He didn't toss it in and when the river didn't make a low he mucked. He's so bad he would def call off his stack with just a naked low in a heads up pot. Nothing like risking 100bb to get back 100.75bb at best! I crush these tournaments lol

[@_Chris_D_3004]

Either chip dumping or fooling around for laughs happens all the time

[@funkfarmer7125]

Watch how many times board pairs on ANY online poker site. I once recorded 25 hands, the board paired 16 times. I play in real casino's and have for years, never see that happen at that rate. And the level of "dramatic" river catch's is insane. And don't give me that "oh you just see more hands" bs, that theory only convinces the simpleton's.

[@Jay13lazeIsReal430]

I get variance, I get that bad beats happen. I also get that with online poker you are seeing more hands at an increased speed. But math is math, there’s no reason why I’m losing 80 to 90% of time constantly on the turn and river with premium hands when I’m a 4 to 1 favorite or I have somebody completely dominated. The number of hands per hour doesn’t change the math! That’s what people who defend this garbage don’t realize. The type of beats I’ve seen are just unbelievable. And it’s not like they happen every so often. They happen every other hand. I’ve lost so many hands where I was ahead, where I was playing solid, and I mean solid. And my opponent catches their miracle card on the river. Or I get beat by runners. I very rarely play online poker now a days and if I do I just buy in with ten bucks and that’s it. My poker sessions are done at my local casino now.

[@endgame6979]

Variance is a LIE!! These online sites pay people to lie to everyone on KZbin. They tell people its not rigged, or your crazy, or blah blah.. Don't bet on the NFL or NBA either!

[@electricalstuff259]

The best is when you pot it every single street and they chase, and then the card comes on the river and you know you're beat for like 1/5th of a pot sized bet and either have to donk it off or fold. Good variance never happens for some reason, it's only ever the excuse for a bad run. When's the good variance coming meaning you build up a huge roll? Never comes..

[@ChristianMichaelCreates]

Hey man I know this post is old, but I totally agree with you, the problem is regardless of math, you are playing with everyone who has an internet connection. It’s super easy to not know how to play poker and play an AK go all in when a player has 3 of a kind and catch a straight, I find poker tables have the same players(live) but they last a couple hands, bust out and go back to the hotel room, it’s not the same. I wish it was. That’s why a lot of higher ranked players go higher, the hands don’t exist because the amount of money to chase isn’t worth it. Maybe I’m crazy. Idk

[@donnagarrison1071]

I am a 64 yo woman and a retired RN. I put myself through Nursing School playing poker in poker clubs, homes, ect.. I started playing on NLOP 3 years ago. I've saw hands like this one too frequently. With only six players on most sites. There is no doubt they have an algorithm set in the favor of the house. It happens, like you say, but not at the rate it happens on this site with only six players. Strategy and perservence gets you know where.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Great story Donna and thanks for your thoughts!

[@boomshakalaka8655]

. in multi way pots this stuff happens live too. There is more people in the pot. What he is showing is a dumb hand hes just want to fool recreational players because this isn't a spot that explains how online poker is rigged. this is a typical multi way pot where you will run into big hands and lose and lose a lot. To show it rigged is hu situations playing against the sme regs day after day losing to them day after day way ahead losing to runner runner, 2 outters 3, outts and it doesn't just go for a month but it goes on for a year playinng many hands against these players and looking through the hand history and doing the math to see if this is possible what they are doing. and when you are behind against them they hardly if ever get bad beat. Then you ask other players if they ever win pots against them? And they say hardly. Then you know this is a house player or a russian thats hacked the rng after years of seeiing non stop bad variance for u and non stop good variance for them where its not variance anymore. Thats how you find a scam in online poker. Not a multi way pot. Its his way of trying to just fool recreational players about 1 hand that is obvious cooler spot. We don't anything about player he is up against. His win rate or anything. We need that info to konw if hes house player or not and it takes massive amount of hands to figure that out. Once you know mark them as house player get off tables they are on. And fold pre even with premiums if they are on your table. You will not beat them. Math don't lie ( it says they win over 75% of hands)= cheating. thats whast important to actually play on poker sites you can collect a hand history so you can find out who the cheaters are. Sites that don't show a hand history= dont play.

[@dunner079]

And never use Playtech software,

[@PeripheralWisdom]

Just in the last hour I jammed with AQs and AJs different hands and lost both times to a straight and a flush against A3o and A6o. This is a regular daily occurrence for me on bovada and yet these bad beats never happen to me in person. Maybe it’s rigged maybe it’s not, but in the end, I don’t trust their cards and that’s all that matters

[@endgame6979]

Your not crazy. Bovada is rigged. I just play their lowstakes once in awhile to get my poker fix.

[@pot_kivach160]

@@endgame6979 they are all the same. I played jokerStars, ggjoker…all the same. Tooo many bad beats and always when you’re all in!??? That’s beyond any variance, man. Losing entire stack in one hand for so many times. Then working hard to make up for it, and then bad beat again!!

[@endgame6979]

@@pot_kivach160 I know their all the same! They dont want poker players cashing out anymore. If I had the money and mindset, I would start my own online poker site, and put ALL these f*ckin' greedy pieces of sh¡t out of business!! Good news is, people are finally waking up! Betonlines poker rooms are empty, and Im sure the rest are struggling too.. I just play Bovadas little $1 sitngo 2× a week, and thats IT!!✌

[@sixdroid]

@@pot_kivach160 they don't want you go all in because you make more rake with normal bets. if you go you win the first, the second and then they give your chips to another player

[@JMD215]

Bovada is 1000% rigged

[@timothyspears8180]

Every free online game is rigged. And you don't prove or disprove it by focusing on bad beats. That's irrelevant. All you do is track every flop. And then apply a chi-square test on the distributions after, say, 200 flops. You will find that every single online game that is free is rigged. Now don't be tricked by people who say, "no you can't tell after 200 flops; you need millions of flops!". Anyone who tells you that does not know statistics. Let me ask a simple question: would you need 1,000 more flips of a coin to determine if it was crooked if on the first 20 flips it landed heads up? No you wouldn't. And I can guarantee you a chi-square test would not need to see any more flips. You don't care about all the different permutations when you are trying to determine if something is rigged. You care about the outcomes. That is if 1:6 flops should produce a pair on the flop, 200 flops should produce somewhere around 33 instances where a pair comes up. If you are significantly above or below that number, you should suspect that the deal is rigged. I have done that kind of analysis on a lot of free online poker sites, and guess what every single one of them flop pairs about two times more than statistically probable. Every single one I have ever tracked. The same holds true for flopping three cards same suit--that happens about two times more than statistically probable on every single site I have tracked. Do you get beat by flushes a lot? Well there's a reason for that. Every site I have tracked has five card boards that produce three or more cards of the same suit about twice as often as statistically probable. So don't let anyone tell you that free online poker is not rigged. Be aware that if you ever decide to play real poker with real cards for real money, that the incidence of those big hands is going to be much less frequent than on these online sites. So why are these free online poker sites rigged? Well that's just good business. Rigging the deals levels the playing field. When pears come up on the flop that really levels the playing field against good players. Same with when three cards of the same suit come up on the flop. These sites aren't providing you free games for nothing. They hope you experience the thrill of winning if you're a novice, until you get hooked on the game. If the playing field weren't leveled you wouldn't survive long enough against good players to get hooked on the game. So these sites cannot have novices losing all their money instantly. That's bad business. There will be no one to buy chips with real money, because the novices are going to get bankrupted so quickly they're not going to grow an attachment to the game and the real good players will never need to buy chips. I can't say with certainty that there is anything more nefarious intergame going on, but I am sure that there probably is. For example, if I owned one of these sites I would also want to be able to tilt players. And I would do that by having algorithms that would target players with bad beats enough so that they tilted and lost huge amounts of chips in the hopes that they will purchase huge amounts of chips--because it's not fun playing for 20,000 stakes when you used to have a billion. I would bet that these sites have much more sophisticated variants of this exact strategy than I'm positing here.

[@TimeHandler]

Best hand playing accompanied by hole-card sharing imagine we're in a team of 4 players, 1 holds 82o in UTG, 1 holds A8o in HJ, 1 holds KJs in CO, 1 holds 89s in BU. now there are clearly 3 bad hands here, and they block eachothers outs, so it's clearly better for these hands to fold, than it would normally be, the KNOWN EV of a fold is the same as always, 0, however our alternatives just got worse, meaning the EV gain of folding these hands (A8o we should normally rfi, 89s should call KJs' open in a tournament for example) however with the extra information, we can now fold. Where-as others cannot seize this advantage. Over the long run, yes, the games will FEEL pretty rigged. These teams white-list certain individuals in their games to avoid detection, granting that white-listed player a winning graph... If you have a massively positive graph, chances are you will be white-listed by the team, as they will expect you to smell a rat more often. By this token, once a player is white-listed if they stay in that game, they quite often can amass a decent graph and then go on to crush the next stake, due to also being white-listed there, due to having been white-listed in the previous game mode... However if you are a losing player, i wouldn't wait around to get white-listed. I got white-listed in a game mode, and made over 400 buy-ins. However, i then cashed out after having some life stuff come up, a month or two redeposited, having spent much of the roll that i'd amassed, was planning to grind it up from lower stakes than i was playing previously.... After all, i was absolutely crushing 2 stakes higher, for several months putting in decent volume. HOWEVER..... The games were (i am as certain as i can be without knowing their actual hole-cards in every spot) filled with colluders, convenient folds to my direct opponents on bubbles where it just didn't matter to the big-stack whether or not the bubble continues as everyone is 1-2BBs deep.... Repeated over months of volume (roughly 100 sngs per day for several months - i was really grinding)..... Pokerstars seem to think that more sophisticated collusion simply does not occur. They seem to think that groups of individuals cannot find loop-holes in their defences... Lets imagine these 6 extra blockers throughout the entire game give you an extra 5% roi Suddenly a player who was making $25/hour if he studied like a maniac all year is making $50 an hour with virtually no effort... Personally, if i knew that i could just donate back $25 an hour to a few other players who are not involved through some "whale" account, and it would convince the site that i'm not colluding, i'd probably do that, if i were the kind to collude. (i'm not i can just see how ridiculously easy it would be, and yet everyone for some reason is talking about rigging, as if to deliberately mislead people from the real problem - rigging never happens really, collusion happens AT LEAST sometimes, yet the only detailed video i find, is doug polk talking about mike postle, playing live... great.) Pokerstars however, believe that if players are consistently refusing to take collusive opportunities, that this is somehow a dead-cert confirmation, that they are not cheating, enough to insultingly tell me that it is essentially all in my head. The problem will only grow, until we let pokerstars know that we are aware of it. All you players who are break-even/losing/barely-winning just know... You may well be decent winners, if all the colluders were gone... After all there are a lot of fish.... But if the colluders have a bigger edge vs them, and an edge vs you that even god players cannot achieve vs fish. You're simply done for... With the colluders there... The game is doomed and will die... Quickly. We're watching it happen in front of our eyes... It should be quite a stable economy; some making money then quitting and doing something less demanding or playing far less, others losing money then quitting, some losing money at a steady pace for recreation some breaking even and aspiring to eventually win, winning some off of the fish, losing to the better players.. site takes rake and brings in new players with some of that money via promotions + advertising government taxes everybody one way or another. However throw colluders into the equation, suddenly you now have 2 groups of winners, and this group of winners barely has to try, they simply arrange 1 day per week, that they will log into new accounts, that they got someone else to make and verify for them for a small fee (or simply stole/bought their details online), after making X amount of money... All funds are dumped onto a legitimate heads up account, who then pays the group accordingly via bitcoin or some other un-traceable method, after himself, taking a small fee for the process, somewhat accounting for all the variance in heads up, a sort of extra rake-back if you like, what's more, their graph now looks way better than it should, so much so they may be able to rope in some people for coaching, $500/hr thank you very much, very reasonable these days for a world class heads up player eh? Tell me i'm wrong. I'll just prove i'm right.

[@electricalstuff259]

Literally who gives a fuck about play money games being rigged?

[@trentevenson8988]

On wop I won about 90% the first night. Never a table the next day. Buy ins go from 750k to 15 million, nothing in-between. Never going back

[@EricFarmer01]

@@electricalstuff259 Your mother

[@LinnJakobsson]

Can u tell me how l can be a winning player for years if the site is rigged? Please answer just this only question

[@seaneaston1329]

I was playing low stakes on poker 888. I played and kept track of 60 hands. I was an average 69.9% favorite on showdowns. I won 18 hands. Lost 26 hands and split 4. Won 0/8 of really key hands. Bought in for 50$ twice and lost it all. Out of 60 hands I was under a 50% favorite 6 times. Fuck online poker.

[@alexxander1768]

(I will never read a reply) That's how they do you in online poker. If you are nitty and avoid flips what they will do is have a housebot or hand a loose fish Aces or Kings on the small/big blind and give you QQ+ or a set. Board will runner runner a straight or they will simply have you dominated. All heads up. That's how they got their last 2 buyins from me. SB with 9's BB limped Kings and we both got a boat. Once you start recording all the coolers you receive. You will notice you are almost never on the delivering end. You will receive 10 coolers per each one you deliver, if that. The pattern goes like this: Fish or bot sucks out against you or loose player is magically given Aces vs you after playing any 2 cards for 3 hours. You lose your buyin. Then the fish will donate their stack to a house bot. Now they have both your deposits. Up to 100% increased profits depending. And then of course, drooling poker shills and fanboys will come in and say the hilarious "They have no reason to rig their sites". Well, they rig their sites because they can make literally 2-3x more profit and they have no oversight at all. If the poker tables online went like normal poker, the fish would burn out within days. They feed the fish just enough runner runners and gutshots and goofy hands to keep them addicted. They give extravagant bad beats to skilled players so the player won't logically scratch their head and finally realize "hey this is simply rigged", it's every single session and definitely not variance to get 2% rivered 15 times in a row.

[@seaneaston1329]

@alexxander1768 I've kept at it over a few thousand hands now. Basically losing 2/3 hands at a 70% favorite. It's the key all hands that really hurt where you are 90% favorite and lose without fail. The spin and go games seem the worst. The tourneys seem more legit.

[@Jaffer2x]

Every person claiming that it is not rigged is actually someone selling guides and tricks to win a lot of money.

[@JackSeries44]

Not rig, could be a total retard(newbie) player that has had some luck, same similar instances irl. J'utilise it's always easier to claim a game ir rigged when you lose.

[@luma9007]

Funny enough, it`s never rigged when a person wins, only when they lose. If the other guy had 33 and lost, this hand would`ve been perfectly fine for Ed and you`d never heard about it. Tho you`d be getting "poker is rigged" hand from the guy with 33. Pure logic.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Haha wise words and very true Ce Co :)

[@kilobumpin]

your right but bankroll says it all, idk how ppl dont notice the pattern with some of these sites.. you may not think its rigged but its forsure not realistic.. sure can these outcomes happen in real life but everytime? i really dont think so

[@Fernando11flamengo]

@@kilobumpin when playing online you play way more hands, so yes. It could happen. If poker is 12% luck, then you should expect to lose 12% when you are winning, because that's what supposed to happen.

[@boomshakalaka8655]

i done it for 2 decades making a profit trained by the best players using the bet solvers. And my profit is ab out 10x less then what my ev is. So its definitely rigged. tHey use equitable distribution software so when you are in a pot and if your winning percentage is to high and theirs is to low your getting bad beat. They have collusion players, house players, people who hack old rngs that are out dated and not secure ( russians). You guys don't understand all the software involved. The key is avoiding these players by not playing pots with them. Going to other tables etc. Play in games they dont play in. And you can make money but that equitable distrubition software will make sure u don't make to much. Thats how online poker works. Anything else anyone says plays tiny stakes where they dont bother cheating or they haven't put in enough volume. I put in about 2m hands a year over the last 20 years. Your guys dumb theory on whether its winning or losing is stupid. Its based on many years of volume playing that the math is not adding up properly. you see all these guys who made millions years before all quit and become poker training coaches and make sites. THey know its rigged and they know they can't make serious money at online poker. That it will just go back to the site if they continue to play. THis is the truth to online poker. Sorry to burst peoples bubble. But i made a lot more live the ev follows properly unlike online.

[@Fernando11flamengo]

@@boomshakalaka8655 that doesnt prove anything.

[@msladebeatz]

I would sure love to experience the up side of variance in these types of situations.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Sometimes it takes longer than we hope to get the "good" side of variance :(

[@nicks210684]

I wouldn’t suggest you start limp-calling with T7 from UTG.

[@bradk2080]

Ya smart eh lol

[@andrewconnor6545]

For real

[@andrewconnor6545]

@@BlackRain79Poker or never

[@okiepokertraveler1718]

It's funny you mentioned T3, I lost a hand today where I caught the nut flush on the turn and knowing the villain was a complete fish who would call with any pair I jammed all in for about 12x the pot and got insta called by that hand. They ended up filling up on the river...lol POKER IS RIGGED!!!

[@BlackRain79Poker]

T3 always wins, confirmed T3 is rigged :p

[@dakta817donkey6]

@@BlackRain79Poker Ha ha. You stirred up a bucket of shit here.

[@bootyholederek7599]

“10 cents into a 140 cent pot, you could literally call with a pair of napkins”😂😂😂 this guy

[@gd5128]

1 player loses 500 at a table then joins tble for 1k. Theres a player up 500 at the tble. They deal you both aces and run 4 to a flush for the player who lost 500. Understand now. If you keep the money in the system you effectively keep raking same money. Its like a new tax system

[@demetriusthers1186]

This jus explained it all, makes much sense I always feel like it’s up and down up n down. Exactly like u said they taxes the same money over n over to keep u on the site

[@stevenbell3509]

@@demetriusthers1186 I think they just straight up make fake accounts for the site and make it so their in house bots just win all the money in the end. they let you win some to make it seem more legit. half the players are probably fake. thats how those guaranteed tournaments fill up at the last second when onle 40 people register out of the 10000 needed to pay the guaranteed pay

[@studiomanager688]

How do explain winning a tournament for around $370 and then getting knocked out 17 times in a row pushing all in with the best hand and getting outdrawn and often being called by absolute nonsense. Pokerstars is rigged on many players no doubt

[@aardvarkbiscuit2677]

7th of 14 left in a tourney the other day. I get dealt AA. 6th place shoves, I call and he flops quad Q.

[@V45hTh3Stamp3d3]

​@@aardvarkbiscuit2677 AA wins small or loses big.

[@TheToddFather1969]

I play on 2 sites and I’ve been noticing patterns lately, which is why I searched out channels that talked about this. I’m new to poker so I didn’t know what to expect. However, I’m good at recognizing patterns and the sites I’m on sure do seem to be a little sketchy. Most times I’ll fold if I don’t get at least a full house because time and time again people get flushes, quads and other ridiculous hands and I’m thinking that can’t be normal. Thanks for the info

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Glad this video helped BM!

[@illiturit1151]

I wouldn't place too much value in this video or it's opinion. And, I can't help but question the motives of people who ever-so-confidently argue online poker is legit when most don't have the ability to ever find out for sure. We live in a corrupt world, and site's programmers are smarter than most of us, so who's to say they don't fiddle with the algorithms? There's no cap on the amount they rake in pots, so they're incentivized to build them and that they do. And, then there's the old argument that you're seeing so many more hands, per hour, than you would in a casino hence you'll experience more bad beats, which is fair enough. But, if your a solid player you should also be winning more pots to compensate for those beats. And, the question is...are you? Bottom line: If you're playing on a site in which you start correctly predicting outcomes, it's time to bounce, or simply just play at the lowest stakes for fun. Trust your instincts. Patterns are patterns. And. People are effing greedy.

[@2bluelou]

its rigged to make shorter stack lose 99.9 per cent of the time - no question i seen it a million times that magic card will always appear for the larger stack player ! reconize that pattern!

[@davymac92]

@@illiturit1151 great comment. Blackrain 79 is obviously shilling for some online poker site. you can hear it in his voice.

[@TimeHandler]

@@illiturit1151 When teams are colluding they have blockers/unblockers that you're not aware of, thus making their equity higher than you think it is, by an undefined amount, remember it also means they can bluff catch you WAAAAAAAAAY wider, individually, just by knowing that X team-mate folded A2o with a blocker to the nut flush for example... If you're repping the nut flush, it's way easier to call you knowing this, no? That's the ammo u need m8.... It's not rigging, you're being colluded vs, and the players you're arguing with are over-confident and on an upswing/playing micros.

[@eddiemglass]

People play 10-2 because of Doyle Brunson. Others play with 10-5 because of Barry Greenstein. I believe that 10-7 is supposedly one of Daniel Negreanu's favourite hands and I can imagine him playing this hand exactly as it happened.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Haha so true!

[@SlutyAnnoying]

But you don't make a full house with 10 7 and beat another full house that's the difference in this matter. Make a straight or flash or trips if you please but FH over FH in so many instances is odd.

[@razorsharp2330]

I deposited only $25 two months ago. It lasted until 5 minutes ago. I had $125 in my account Friday. Today is Sunday. Since Friday to today I’ve have pocket Aces 6 times and pocket Kings 4 times. Of those 10 hands, 8 were all folded to me. No one bet or called. I won the Blinds. Of the 2 hands were I had callers, my kings lost to pocket 2’s, while my aces just lost on the river while having 92% equity. The lay out and play of cards is most improbable. I was able to make $25 last for 2 months. It was an interesting investment. One in which I will NOT make again. I play live poker frequently and can honestly say Internet Poker is NOT a reliably honest card game. Negative Variance is an occurrence that’s happens to often. For instance, an ace, on overage (look it up) is to flop 22% of the time. Of my last 13 playable pocket pairs, not including aces, an ace flopped 11 times. That’s 84.65%. 4 times higher than mathematical projections. By ANY measurement that is ridiculously high. The site got my measly $25. IT WONT GET ANY MORE!

[@toffeefan]

Not rigged but something not right about some of the algorithms. I don't think it plays out the same as live cards.

[@robinsampson6106]

To be fair, this is a pretty standard cooler - it's not really a good example of the kind of things people are complaining about when they complain about sites being rigged to generate action. But I've seen a lot of literally unbelievable things in online poker - in back to back hands. Statistical miracles.

[@robinsampson6106]

I think that limping with suited connected hands, and then continuing when you flop 2-pair is good play, and the 'mathematically preposterous' bet is literally an invitation for Hero to go over the top and should have signalled caution, imho. easy to say with hindsight. But again, this is just a fairly standard cooler. It's not yet another miracle runout.

[@tonydee893]

I would be interested to know how the algorithms work when deciding what cards come out because I feel you get loads more big hands more often online and I feel you get beat by a flush when u have a straight and boat when u have a flush much too often than would be expected by normal chance or variance. Thoughts?

[@BlackRain79Poker]

I am predicting there will be a lot of "theories" on this in these comments. So stay tuned! :)

[@johndarrenkamp]

I have played a lot of poker at varying casinos across the country. I have never seen as many quads as I have online however I have played so many more hands online than I have live. Thats the difference, you just get to see so many more hands so much faster that it seems like the variance all comes at once good or bad.

[@tonydee893]

Yes there are more hands played but if I need a particular card on the river to make my marginal hand I seem to hit it more than expected. Also I've never lost so many 95% hands on the river live. Yes it goes both ways but it just seems different algorithms are being used in different games and in different buy ins. Play a home game on stars and see how every player seems to have a hand almost every hand lol

[@sekainiheiwa3650]

@@johndarrenkamp this is utter nonsense, either you played once in a lifetime live or just simple parroting poker mafia gibberish.

[@Ewochable]

@@chacemccallum983 problem is not sample size but that normal is outlier

[@greer2402]

No software can duplicate a hand shuffle. It's rigged. Bad beats happen in live poker but not as often. I don't even like automatic card shufflers at live tables

[@DerZeppterdesAldi]

I'm sure it is possible to make a real handshuffling algorytm in a software it's just that nobody want to make it because it's more profitable for them to scam players...

[@sixdroid]

even the % is rigged. 80-20 means I win 8 times on 10 not two on 10 or 20

[@blairarcher8952]

It rigged .Top players don't play online much if any anymore .They have complained about the anomalies.Tbh there was a time when they were straightish.That day has gone .I've played poker for 15 years online and have been a winning player most of that time .I would say the last few years its ridiculous. Don't listen to this man .He made his money in the good days and now makes his money from books,KZbin and such like .

[@gd5128]

Real simple a paired brd sometimes 3 or 4 hands in a row. Thats all you need to know

[@josephmeador1529]

Called and checked down to showdown 50 hands with a friend head to head on the old WSOP ... He won 45 of 50.

[@totomaster9841]

On PokerStars my 70/30 (all ins) ran as coinflips.

[@Alexanders1one]

Exactly, if i go with 70% procent i cant even hope of winning. Not even with aces not sure if i can win

[@tiagodumont4422]

Yup, today I lost 8 all ins that were 70/30 or worse. KK vs 88, KK vs A9, QQ vs 88, KK vs JJ... The most comical one was me flopping a straight vs a guy whom had a pair. Turn paired the board and river put trips out there. I literally all of my all ins to underdogs over the course of 8h. There's no way bad luck accounts for this.

[@pot_kivach160]

@@tiagodumont4422 the same here! RiGGeD!!

[@chrismorvant33]

Ignition poker today: - flop trips, disconnected from server. -AA cracked by 99 -very next hand AK cracked by K9.

[@cato451]

This happens to me daily on WSOP. It’s so frustrating

[@chefmikeankh6434]

Me too. I just deleted WSOP app. What do you think of the PokerStars App?

[@tweetman00]

same shit@@chefmikeankh6434

[@christopherlehman626]

Started playing on ignition a month ago. I know, small sample size. But every time a nit goes all in on the turn when I have two pair or a set, they're hitting their flush or straight on the river. Just played a game where a nit type went all in on A high and hit his straight on the river. Couple hours before a nit went all in on the turn when I had a full house, river brings him a higher full house. These players don't play this way. All game long they fold easy and bet their pairs transparently and then all of sudden when I have strong hand, they bet it up and make their hand on the river. Been busted out like 20 times like that.

[@pokergeniusordonkey6517]

With three players behind, I probably lead out hoping to get at least one or two calls, but I might also get raised and get it all in on the flop.

[@murffie55]

With a live dealer the cards get shuffled and then stay in the same order until dealt out. With a random card generator, you’d be delt one card one moment, but a moment later a different card (mostly). Right? Might this explain the difference in patterns people feel between live and online?

[@fishbonegaga]

Well , even if i know you're right , sometimes i feel like it's kind of rigged : i'm playing on 3 rooms , i'm earning 8bb/100 on the first one in 15k hands , 5bb/100 on the second one , in 12k hands , and , lost 20 buy in ,in 10k hands, in the third one , a room where a lot of people are complaining about crazy coolers and magic rivers. I know it's not a huge sample , but i found myself in a minset where i'm scared to call a shove with a fullhouse and loose vs quads or even nut flush vs straight flush. How possible to play like that. I'm just thinking about leaving the third room , i'm probably wrong , but , enough is enough.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

I think we all feel its rigged at time Julien, whether justified by logic or not :) It is natural, I won't lie, I have been convinced its rigged against me many times especially in the heat of the moment!

[@fishbonegaga]

@@BlackRain79Poker Haha , it's probably just variance i know , but like you said , i'm human. By the way , i recently bought your book cms , it's great , thanks!

[@sixdroid]

you always go up when you deposit then they took every cents even if you deposit 30$ and play in bankroll with 0.50 and 1 $ spins.. try spins and go and you will see. won 10 all ins on 40 and every time I was 80-20 or 70-30 or always up.

[@chadwellington2524]

Its rigged... i play tournaments.. and cash sometimes but mostly tournaments... I get unlucky in 9/10 big spots... they always make me win as little as possible, sometimes its so obvious they are forcing me out its ridiculous the hands i get setup.... Last 15 deep runs it come down to an all in with around 10-12 left and i lose to go out 10th to 12th instead of getting a top 3 stack every single time.. I just satellited a 50 dollar into a 500 dollar... and a guy 3 bet, other guy called and i have ace king suited.. i shove and i was in 5th at the time... the 3rd place stack calls off 65 bb with Jacks like he knew they were good... risking his whole 3rd place with 28 people left.... Ive been running horrible so im running the ace king suited... guy snap calls jacks for 65 bb in a huge tournament like they knew they were good and obviously instead of having twice as many chips as any other player i go out 28th. They will cheat you so bad if you play above your bankroll hahhaa thats one alrwady ver obvious way its already proven rigged. Go in 10 1 dollar tournaments and 10 500 dollar.. watch how all luck goes to 1 dollars.. this already proof its rigged. I will lose 999'000 of my 1 million chips stack to a 2 outer.. and then when i ahve 1000 left i will win 2 worthless all ins a row to get 5bb and then next one i lose... Now on my stats it says i won 2/3 fllips but really i got screwed for everything.. Its very easy to tell its rigged becuase they do everything to make me win as little as possible.. even when i get heads up its set up city so i dont win 1st especially if bounty tournament

[@chadwellington2524]

@@BlackRain79Poker Its rigged... i played on new time and hustled 500 tourneys.. built 50 dollar deposit to 5000 fairly easily seeming like i was deep running in 9/10 tourneys..... and thenits doomswitc turned on and i cant even cash one tourney in the next 100.. Then some complete fish idiot will go in a 200 dolalr tournament and get incredible luck win 10 flips with stupid hands and make more money in one tourney than i hustled in 500.. Its a joke

[@torquebm1521]

Bro this is nothing if i show you my hands in one(only one) session you will blow your head in the desk!

[@RedRocketRR-xc5hk]

Absofuckinlultly my man,I officially quite playing poker yesterday and I had situation like this is between 2 hours,I had KK villain had AA after around 10-15 games absolutely the same thing,had KK villain AA I was like"is this reality?"in the same day I lost with almost nuts,it was giving me an almost perfect card and at the end villain had some impossible hand and anyone who's gonna say"come on dude,you had bad day"or "shit happens"no man,go kill yourself, yesterdays games cant happened in real life,I understand that it's random but randomity was the last thing in my games yesterday,I suggest everybody to stop throwing money in that shit hole,nobody gonna give you money randomly and you know what the funny thing is?I was playing on the top website #pokerstar

[@colemanhoyt5437]

I made my straight flush against threes full of tens a few weeks ago, over 300bb deep. You have to win a few of these hands to understand that they don't prove the game is rigged. Monster hands like this are rare. And if you aren't gambling, being on the winning side of a ridiculous "cooler" is just not as common as you would wish.

[@electricalstuff259]

Monster hands like that are rare? lol.

[@tobiaskarl4939]

I think the poker sites use bots at least in times with very less players. What should they do if less players online ? In a few days all would leave. The poker site would be dead.The questions are now ... the bots win all the time ? The bots know all cards in the future ?

[@endgame6979]

The bots will call every ace! No matter what.

[@ygbiz_inc3698]

Bots for sure

[@masonjames7308]

Playing last night pokerstars 12 ppl left in the tourney and the this happens. My hand KK UTG hand KK UTG+3 Hand QQ Small blind hand AA Big blind A10 suited OK TIME the eff out all that in one hand....explain that please

[@dirkpeachey6911]

T7 was a surprise, but I was thinking T9....which is a playable hand (imo)

[@BlackRain79Poker]

I think he limped UTG preflop (usually the sign of a weaker player), so I suppose T7 isn't that shocking haha

[@geniusmode1219]

So I don’t think it’s rigged as in they want you to lose. It’s not like they want you to lose and Joe Schmoe to win, but the difference between live poker and online poker is live poker pits good hands against each other more often because they want the pots to be bigger and they want more action on their site. I’ve never seen so many AK vs AA or KK vs AQ. That happens once in a few nights at a live table and it happens at least a few times per session online.

[@trendiboy5718]

Online poker is so rigged. No matter how hard you try, no matter how much you study, no matter how good your equity is, if you are not the chosen you wont win

[@BlackRain79Poker]

My advice is to be chosen for sure.

[@washnon]

even casino poker is rigged ,why do you think the cards are shuffled under the table

[@TonyEnglandUK]

The problem with getting _"It's all rigged!"_ into your mindset is that you'll carry it with you in each game you play online. Bad beats are a mathematical certainty, brush them aside instead of attributing them to rigging. The donk who just called your rockets with 7 2 off is *_supposed_* to beat you over 12 times in 100 match-ups. When bad-beats happen, don't allow your "rigging" belief to become a self-fulfilling prophecy and affect your play ever after.

[@TimeHandler]

Incorrect, don't brush them aside, it's clearly not rigging, there are too many paper trails to people with too much to lose. That's obviously not the answer and should ALMOST not even be considered. The real cause for the "rigged" feeling of the game online, is collusion... When teams are colluding they have blockers/unblockers that you're not aware of, thus making their equity higher than you think it is, by an undefined amount, remember it also means they can bluff catch you WAAAAAAAAAY wider, individually, just by knowing that X team-mate folded A2o with a blocker to the nut flush for example... If you're repping the nut flush, it's way easier to call you knowing this, no?

[@sixdroid]

so you have to convince yourself that bullshit are true because? lol. I understand what you say but it's not like that. if a thing is rigged it is.

[@sixdroid]

@@TimeHandler sure. it's only for that they do this stuff.

[@itspawloski]

how about getting the same hand 3-5 times in a row? today i had the same 7 5 for 3+ turns and K 2 about 2-4 times both within the same hour. still not rigged?

[@chadwellington2524]

Wrong, the site screws you in every big spot and then gives you supreme luck in the insignificant spots.. example you run KK into AA FOR 99% of your stac.. then when you have nothing the site lets you win 2 meaningless all ins in a row to get back to 5bb.. then you lose.. now the site says you won 2/3 flips and actually ran well! HAHAHA its unreal

[@TheNewbSauce]

Here's my beef. I've been playing HDPoker. When a Flush and a Full House is more common than two pair, something is wrong. When you start going through the top 100 players stats and they have MULTIPLE Royal Flushes, something is wrong. The people with the most "luck" always seem to be the ones with the heavy weight Visa or Master Cards. I refuse to believe this is coincidence. Are all poker sites rigged? I don't know. I will say this though, the "RNG" is fishy. Especially when you've watched years or WSOP and never seen anything like it. Bad beats happen but not every single hand. I watched a player at a table of seven get quads two hands in a row. Name one time that has even happened in a real game.

[@falcone7908]

Approximately 70% of sets on PokerStars are either 7s or 9s. I know I'm not the only one who thinks that. Or when I had instant fold hands like K3o, A4o, 92o, etc; and get quads on the flop which is happening more than often, and by that I mean every single MTT. Sometimes even as often as 3-4 times during the first one hour into an MTT.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

70% wow! Go ahead and present your statistical data from PT/HEM to prove this right here. Don't worry, I will wait.

[@chadwellington2524]

not so ure about that but whats hilarious is i defned my blind like 95% of the time and the one time i dont i always flop trips or a straight haha

[@PeripheralWisdom]

As an experienced player on bovada and in person, the amount of bad beats that happen both ways in bovada is not normal. Pretty sure their algorithm rewards the worse hand that jams. The bad bovada beats do not happen at the same rate in live poker. It’s bovada‘a way of evening the playing field so the best poker players don’t rake all the fish as fast as they should be

[@wickedbabayaga]

My experience on Bovada is after a week or so of normal seeming play, I can't win a good hand unless I make a bonehead move against a better player. If I can't get a bad player to fold before turn and river I can't win because they will hit whatever they're chasing.

[@DavidTMSN]

@@wickedbabayaga That's because each of the tables has a bot player who is predetermined to win. I think the flop is determined by who folds pre flop and who doesn't. It's the only thing that makes sense.

[@DavidTMSN]

@@wickedbabayaga I noticed if you flood pre flop with a weaker hand, you're more likely to see the exact cards you had hit the flop. If you make it to the flop those cards are magically gone. It's not normal variance.

[@armandoalcb]

Chess is rigged because I always lose LMAO

[@BlackRain79Poker]

I am an alright chess player. I find that it is only rigged against me once I start playing 1600+ rank players. I can rarely beat them, its clearly rigged!

[@wayne9287]

How can you compare chess to poker? Chess is 100% skills all the time.

[@liveslowlivesimple]

@@wayne9287 lay off the glue wayno

[@Fernando11flamengo]

@JupitersTruth Bond you know that other people can't play in your account right

[@thecarrotmonster8827]

I just done pretty decent in a tournament, got to the top 50 out of 400, 53rd was the bottom paying position, sitting 49th then all of a sudden the tournaments finished and I got nothing. Couldn't understand it

[@Rev201287]

Scam 100 percent.

[@marknoble5495]

I just recently signed up for online poker a few days ago. Really enjoyed it for a couple days. Then last night it just got silly. Crazy stupid hand after crazy stupid hand. Guy raises 6x under the gun. I act next with KK. Raise him 3x. We are heads up. Flop is 468 two diamonds. I bet about 40% pot he calls. Turn is 7 and I misclicked and bet 2x the big blind. He calls. River is a K so I jam. He calls and turns over K5 off suit…

[@tkomow2]

You said, "it happens once in a while". It happens way more than once in a while.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Damn, hope your luck changes!

[@Fernando11flamengo]

ooo poor baby

[@Fernando11flamengo]

@JupitersTruth Bond I love people with that kind of mindset, people like you pay the people that actually study and dedicate to the game. The bad part is that you actually think it's rigged, dude, it doesn't make any sense, first of all you really dont know what you are talking about. All the poker sites try their best to eliminate all the bots, pokerstars software eliminated bots a long time ago, party poker was the poker website that had more bots, and nowadays it's almost impossible to know if they still have bots on their platform, since HUDs are not allowed at party poker anymore. "Bots with 50 k profit who are complete fish" first of all, who are you to judge someone as a fish? Based on your speech you can't even play the game correctly, I don't trust your judgment at all, and second, if it's actually a bot playing, it can't be a fish, the bots are perfectly balanced, they play perfect gto, it is impossible to explore them. I totally agree that it's wrong to have bots playing with humans, but pokerstars has no bots currently and it is perfect reliable.

[@Fernando11flamengo]

@JupitersTruth Bond you are believing what you want, I believe the facts. You are trying to justify your incompetence by saying that the site is rigged when you don't have a shred of proof to back your wild theory. If you play tournaments, you should play around 500 tournaments a month so you have a reliable sample, otherwise it is just lots and lots of variance. I would love to play against you, unfortunately I can't play heads up because I play for a team and my contract only allows me to play mtts. So good luck on your theory, and I am really sad you don't play at pokerstars anymore, it would be so fun to play with you

[@Fernando11flamengo]

@JupitersTruth Bond I can play whenever the hell I want, and no, I'm not an agent, I'm a professional poker player under a contract. Stop assuming stuff, don't be so presumptuous.

[@20eyesmisfit]

Of course it's rigged, all the site have self regulated software.

[@philrupp7767]

I’ve only played ACR and it is 100 percent rigged. You will never flop anything against a bot from Brazil or Russia and you will win maybe 1/20 of all ins against these bots. Online poker helped my game out a lot at first but it has been detrimental to my game now so I don’t play anymore. I can never win anything online yet when I play live cash games I can put together streaks of sessions where I don’t lose at all and turned $300 to 7k in an 8 day period so clearly I’m a competent player but by rigged online standards I’m a fish lol

[@aardvarkbiscuit2677]

The hands that really stand out for me on ACR are when deep in a tourney someone shoves with AK, they get called by AQ and AQ nearly always takes the pot.

[@pokergeniusordonkey6517]

After studying this game for years, I realize the turn and the river are in a sense rigged, but not unfairly rigged. The combinations of possible hands that people play the flop with, almost always includes some chance of smashing the turn or river. Many of the biggest pots are created from unlikely turns and rivers. They key is knowing when you are ahead or behind. On bad turns and rivers, good players minimize the losses. On good turns and rivers, good players maximize the profit. The mathematical possibilities of the cards themselves is rigged. It is built in to the game, but it is not unfair. In fact the built in so called rigged combinations of possible hands is an opportunity to crush your opponents.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Good points PG or D! I think the most important thing is to get it rigged in YOUR favour, and then it's an easy game :P

[@smartnothard2400]

@@BlackRain79Poker lol rigged in your favour! Me: pockets 6’s Opponent: A8 Flop: 668 Turn: 8 Guess the river lol.... Of course it was an 8!! Regardless of the action and how we got there, quads over quads? Jeez... Online hey.... It seems to me the RNG is just an in-house preset, to a win percentage for every player and it’s up to the player to capitalise on the best available spots. An example of this would be when you make a player fold a better hand. It being rigged there is irrelevant but relevant at the same time. If it was rigged for you to be dealt the worse or loosing hand, or your opponent the better hand (depending on how you look at it), you won with the worse cards. Facts speak for themselves and unless they are in on it, there are plenty of players still starting from micro stakes and making their way up to high stakes. It’s very much still possible and happening. Kind of like immigration. One can still make it but instead of competing with 20 others for that job or to move up the stakes, you are competing against 200 others, with technology on their side like solvers and trackers and whatever else is used. The game is the same but the way it has evolved is just crazy.

[@electricalstuff259]

@@smartnothard2400 You musta got that tasty bad beat jackpot?

[@smartnothard2400]

@@electricalstuff259 nah bro / sis. This was on joker stars. I’d forgot about this hand until now. Gonna hurt for a while again 😆

[@firejs1000]

It’s to bad something for down time would be great. I used to play online years ago and it was bad. I had about 77 dollars worth of my money in and decided I was done when that was gone. The programming was awful. Every hand you had to be the best possible hand or you would lose. If you razed it fed you better cards. All trash that was painfully obvious. So I did what I could with it and started playing the algorithm. I used to like to play big tourn for 2 bucks or what ever. Had a good pattern down. Last game I played I got second place and won 360 dollars. Cashed out a Winner and never looked back. Watch for patterns easy to pick out if they are there.

[@terencehill3972]

If it weren't for rigged, I'd win every time.

[@electricalstuff259]

if it weren't for language, you'd english every time

[@Nuschler22]

The dishonest online poker supporter: "Bad beats happen." The honest online player: "It happens way too much not to be statistically probable the deal isn't fair."

[@ignaciosavi7739]

Now. Where are the numbers?

[@GenericBadName]

Pretty sick cooler. But they happen and you gotta just push on through

[@BlackRain79Poker]

I agree, these ones are difficult to take though. If you are prone to tilt, you may want to take a break for awhile.

[@Run187]

Notice they only think it's rigged when it happens to them, not when they do it to others. Piss poor play to allow the player to call and catch..

[@nicks210684]

@@Run187 how would you have played this hand differently to avoid getting stacked? If you flop middle set you’re trying to get the money in ASAP, not make worse hands fold.

[@AndrewSDodds]

1. Play tight 2. Always Watch videos read and study 3. Learn Basic strategies flop prelop ect 4. Learn Pot odds and Equity 5. Don't bluff alot especially at low/micro stakes. 6. Learn position ect 7. Learn Implied odds 8. Fold at least 50% of the time 9. Learn Good hands best hands 10. Learn the worst 2-7 3-2 3-6 2-8 ect 11. Limp Half the time. 12. Learn Ranges...... Always read and continuously learn...

[@carlwaynecole]

I say definitely riged I've been playing poker for years and ill tell you playing at a casino and online is not the same I have lost online so many times where i should have won hands down having said that my days online have been done for almost a year now making more at casinos my friends

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Thanks for your thoughts Carl, glad to hear the live games might NOT be rigged. At least there is some hope left!

[@Fernando11flamengo]

How many hands have you played? Have you played them all correctly? How do you keep track of your records?

[@carlwaynecole]

@@Fernando11flamengo I have been playing for years so probably thousands of hands and i know how to calculate my odds studied enough lol as for records well just the last 4 years been keeping track and i will tell you online poker is rigged to many times i see As vs Ks and to many times i loose were i should not have i know sometimes could happen but in this case just more losses then wins makes no sense also been keeping track of my casino plays for around 4 years now and definitely not same play as online for sure will be playing at casinos only as my wins are more like 90 % or maybe 80% as opposed to 20 %

[@Fernando11flamengo]

@@carlwaynecole I have been playing for years too... Ok you know how to calculate your odds, but the game is not just about that, there are so many factors. How can you say that you studied enough, study is never enough, you never know everything, we can clearly see that your attitude is part of the problem. I see aces vs kings every day multiple times, so what? That doesn't prove anything. How do you keep track of your records? What software do you use? Because if you don't use a software, you can speculate whatever you want but it doesn't mean it is true. There is no thing such as loose when you're supposed to win, because there is no supposed to win at poker, that does not exist, there are probabilities, and that's it, you just have to accept it. How do you know that you have more losses than wins with aces vs kings? Do you have that actual data? And also, depending on the size of the sample you could experience things like that, poker is not sbout short term, poker is about long term. Long term is way longer than most people believe, you begin to have a reliable amount of data when you reach about 10k tournaments, you said you only played a few thousand hands, that's way too little, you can't use a sample like that as rule, because it is not, it is variance.

[@Fernando11flamengo]

@@carlwaynecole also do you play cash game or tournaments?

[@keepgoing9837]

online poker is 1000% rigged . i have played online poker for 12 - 13 years and also played many live hands and i am sure it is rigged . i had 3 royal flushes within 3-4 days of playing on a famous pokersite for example not that long ago (and i am not even a multitabler) . and always people sucking me out wit their 1-4 outers . and so many runner runners . all the bait hands . all the AA vs KK vs TT vs 88 etc etc.. i actually dont even discuss with people online anymore who say that it isnt rigged . i only smile and go on . i know it is rigged and thats that

[@CardsChat]

lol I flopped a set of queens this morning to a set of aces on an AQ2 button, got it all in knowing one hand beat me, rigged I tell you! ( yes it's happened live too) 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Even my favourite online poker forum is telling me it's rigged now! I knew it :P

[@RageCityBiscuit]

If you think it’s rigged, you’re expressing an opinion that cannot be proven. If you think it’s not rigged, you’re expressing an opinion that cannot be proven. It’s that simple.

[@brendonw456]

Well aside from doing math to find the astronomical odds of seeing KK v AA 5 times within 10 minutes on one table...or seeing 10 straight flushes in one sitting. And I've had both. The odds are STAGGERING against seeing EITHER of those things. The former, KK v AA, is a standard hand in the games I've seen. It's SO unlikely to see this specific match up as often as I have, that I would have successfully filled up the grand canyon with water if I added one drop for every time I won the lottery before I could see it again at this point. Well...assuming I played the lottery at all and bought a ticket every day.

[@cloudlesseveryday947]

I dipped my toes in at the micro-stakes level and noticed the difference within hours. I went on an incredible run using the free tickets awarded by the site and then withdrew everything. Went back for a cheeky game after a second deposit, was stunned by how bad a run I went on. Give all the winnings back and a bit more. Tried other sites and they were just the same with their negative variance in the end. You can only win when you first join the site. After your first withdrawal, or try and build up a substantial bankroll nothing goes right. Stick to live poker and you will have more fun, enjoy the social interaction and will be more successful in your game, with balanced variance.

[@princeforde907]

Of course it's rigged. No sarcasm. Poker stars deals hands with the intention of having bigger pots. The money goes into the middle, the better for them. Sometimes I win hands I really shouldn't. So the game is not rigged against any one person; but it puts way to many hands out where players almost have to get the money in. Card coordination is what I'd call it

[@ghfhgfuuu]

It's a forced action algorithm designed to frustrate and felt someone while taking rake and targeting addicts.

[@carlocorrias6073]

I met somebody who knows a guy that i know from the neighbourhood too..he was so good that pokerstars asked him to come play for them ..and come on later on in the tournaments if you go allin against a larger stack the outcome is more favored to the biggerstake ...i play every day

[@adrianamatlack532]

I am a winning online poker player. 13 bb per 100 hands for a 100,000 hand sample at 10 nl and 9 bb per 100 at 30 nl, and that would be higher if I was not experimenting with LAG style. I play better as a TAG at this time. In any case I do feel online poker IS rigged and I am a winning player. I feel it is rigged in a way that makes sense. I believe it is NERFED and can give a good example why. The thing about online poker is there is so little action, we all know the feeling we get AA no one has anything, we get a set, no one has anything, I get a gut shot straight no one has anything over and over again exept on a few very VERY rare days where we get a bunch of heaters, and it is all too rare online, most of the time we are beating fish who are pretty much giving us their money. I can play 2000 hands 3000 hands and nothing much happens, on good tables with weak players, and this happens often. Yes everyone says this is normal with online poker. You can play 40,000 hands or more and break even. But this is my question. I play in live poker casino games, with 10 tables that are 9 ring. That is 25 hands per half hour, so about 500 hands per hour. In that hour they run high hand bonus. Constantly there are full houses, quads and even a lot of straight flushes. I can play 3,000 hands a day online for MONTHS and I will see a decent amount of boats, usually when no one else has anything, but I am not seeing all these big hands like quads, straight flushes, and hardly ever get heaters. Why does 500 hands generate all these big hands at a live casino, but online we do not see this? True it is 6 handed and the players are more selective, and there are far fewer big multi way pots, these things would certainly reduce these hands, but not down to almost NOTHING, and that is what we see with online poker, almost nothing, no action, and am talking about a big name "legit" poker site, as online poker is legal in my state. What makes me different than a lot of people who question online poker is that I am a winning player, and got to say online poker has been great for improving my game, with the aid of Poker Tracker 4, and studying a lot of books and videos. So, I feel very lucky because you HAVE to get extremely good to beat online poker and I do not believe anyone can get very good without online poker to practice on, and HUDS and Tracker data to study our games and find leaks. Certainly once your skill edge is big enough, and you have enough fish and call stations in your games, and you also need at least 7 to 8 tables to play, preferably more like 12 to 14. I can only see 4 tables at a time cause I stack the tables over each other, just have one computer monitor and need reading glasses. Yes, you can make good money at online poker, but does that mean that things are not nerfed? Not at all does it mean that, if your skill edge is great enough you can still win, but this is not fair to the skilled players. However, ass long as there are a lot of people I crush the games, and it is not that much of a problem, if you got a lot of tables going you can still make a lot of money pretty fast online, but have realized early on that there is truly a lack of big heaters and things seemed NERFED. I study the game all the time, I am a USCF Chess Expert rated 2130 something. I was a physics major. I am constantly learning more and more about poker, I love the game, it is beautiful, but there is no way that online is playing like regular cards. I understand poker math. It is very simple math, though some of the ideas are very elegant and beautiful. Like balanced GTO playing and how if you balance your bet size and bluffs to value hands you can make the caller indifferent and win the pot on average! When I started playing online poker I thought something seemed wrong. I thought it seemed nerfed, but when I started I could not win, I was a losing player. During the pandemic I got much better, and it helped that it became easy to win because casinos were shut down, so the games were very soft. As the casinos opened again the games got tougher, but I had plugged a whole lot of leaks, and my expeience of playing over 1 million hands, and analyzing with Flopzilla. and also studying many books by John Little, Split Suit, and there videos, as well as BlackRain who makes excellent content , Bart Hanson, Upswing Poker, and watching pros playing online on vlogs, all this helped greatly. So YES If you got a HUGE skill edge and a BIG player pool you can make good money at online poker. But I believe we should be making more money. I believe that the online poker corporations, and that is what they are, do not want the good players absolutely decimating the weaker players, so the games have been NERFED, to make things very even. But if you plays 20 to 30 hands per day, and have good table selection skills you can still win. But this does not mean that we should trust these gaming companies. And this gets back to the question, WHY do I see so many quads and straight flushes for 500 hand samples sizes, per hour in casinos when 10 tables are running, and obviously I am talking about 500 hands from everyone playing in an hour as dealer live can deal about 25 hands per half hour per table. This is a lot of BS, and ignorant and arrogant pros have given gaming corporations a license to NERF our games. Sure they math distribution of hands looks consistent, but that can be done by nerfing the games too. I am a winning player. A crusher at low stakes anyway and I crush live 1 2 and 2 5 as well. Anyone wants to see my Poker Tracker 4 stats just ask. Fed up with these pros always saying online is normal poker. It is clearly nerfed. Do you really think the big corporations want the pros winning all the money fast and having huge stacks while the fish lose it all fast? Online poker is fast as it is, but we should be winning faster. I play lots of fish with VPIPs of 40 ,50, PFRs of 40 even 3 bets of 17. Here in the USA online poker players are mostly tight regs, call stations and fish. Problem is the stations and fish get bored by the lack of action too, and they lose their money fast. The winter is better than the summer cause way more people online. I am not fish. I am doing 13 bb per 100 for a BIG hand sample size. That is considered extremely good. Can you win at online poker yes, you can, but the good players should be able to win a lot more than they do, and at a faster win rate.

[@chadwellington2524]

i can play some tourneys with 75-80 vpip because i know what people have 99% of time and do a lot of overbet bluffs... i can play a whole tourney 80 vpip and still get absolutely nothing... making triple up stack purely from bluffs and then ill just run kings into aces... while some donk will shove 3 times ina row with dumb hands and win

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Well said!

[@masteryoda9259]

Anyway, rigged or not. Why i am always having more KK vs AA than my self holding AA vs somebody with KK? Why i have lost about 9-10 full vs full against 2-3 for my favor. Why i am so often getting somebody with set on the flop in 3 bet pot when i am holding AA/KK? Why today i have lost 6 games set vs higher set in about 6-7k hands?! This game is bullshit. I always keep telling my self that it will change and i will have my chances against their set etc. but 150k hands later still nothing and i dont see any chances for such a luck, bullshit.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Have you checked your long term data on AA vs KK in PokerTracker Master Yoda? I discuss how to do that in many articles on my blog.

[@masteryoda9259]

@@BlackRain79Poker Hi, i dont have pokertracker. i am using holdem manager 3 and i dont know how to find those stats. Last night i have lost AA vs AK all in preflop. Today i lost all in preflop AA vs AA, (villain got flush).

[@Brandon-v3u]

Till u but if I get rid of the hand I just call i hit alot of straights by limping

[@ynwa73]

When you download a poker app if you could record what's up on the screen as it downloads you will see things like river card fail or large pot fail ...why are these ever mentioned

[@Ysspiano]

What I always find suspicious is why they don't tell what algorithms they are using for there rng... I mean what is there to fear? the counter argument always is " if you put your algorithm online for other people to judge, people might find a way to mathematically exploit the algorithms" but that argument doesn't hold for these 2 simple reasons, 1 if your rng is exploitable it's shit, and you should use another one, 2 unexploitable rngs exist and are used on daily basis in cybersecurity. Besides if a site would tell you which algorithms they're using for their rng's and those algorithms would prove to be secure that would draw in more players.

[@davidcoelho1339]

I always quit for the day if something like this happens.

[@TonyEnglandUK]

Very smart to do so, otherwise you play a self-fulfilling prophesy.

[@electricalstuff259]

I play PLO where hand selection preflop is supposedly extremely important. On every single site in the micros up to .25/.50 there are house players who play basically every single hand on multiple tables, and they always accumulate a big stack on each table, day after day, until finally they stop showing up. It's happened on every site i've been on - they defy PLO good play logic yet time and again accumulate big stacks by playing literally every hand. It goes against everything the statisticians say about PLO and odds and starting hand selection.

[@danielandreisx]

So your argument is that we will have this kind of variants, online or in a real poker table... I understand that, but those variants are not the same online comparing to a real poker table...I believe they rig the game so that once every X hands one player has a pretty good hand but there is another player who has a better hand than that...This way the rate at which people win or lose is higher than at a real table... I don't know, perhaps it is only in my head, and I don't trust a machine. If some crazy stuff happens at a real poker table, then I accept it, because I can see the cards with my own eyes being shuffled and stuff... Anyway, I rarely play poker online, so it doesn't really matter to me. I just wanted to share my thoughts a bit.

[@pot_kivach160]

Im so glad to hear that you rarely play poker online. Thanks for sharing this with us…means a lot! 😂🤣

[@Scythera99]

Would you consider it fair if the same guy gets another full house, then a straight on the next hand, them a two pair on the next, and a 3 of a kind to finish, all in the same game simultaneously? I mean, yeah it'll happen for days weeks and months on end but that doesn't mean it's rigged right? multiple times, courtesy of WSOP on appstore.

[@JPort561]

I hate this app I swear~!

[@bobraspet7706]

Money is money.. I do well, but I rarely give them $, so most likely the addicts and those shoving $$$$$ i just feel sorry for. I've made it more fun by just tracking the ridiculousness of it all. For $1/$2/$5 tourneys, cheap cash games.. the 2 outers and runner runners that catch are absolutely hilarious.. especially when someone comes in that should never in a million years be in a hand and catches low % catches.. it's just staggering. Track your larger pots/hands and watch the fireworks and stupid runouts over and over and over.. I've lost so many large pots with Ace high flushes, Full boats, etc. to quads, runner runner straight flushes, etc. (can't remember the last time I've ever seen a straight flush.. ever haha) online over and over back to back, and just laugh at them all, but I have a ton of fun with it. Pokerstars is the biggest culprit by far, the rest just fall in line.

[@nicks210684]

Lol, I was expecting to see T9 or 99. Nathan i slightly disagree that in this spot the shoe will be on the other foot, since surely no decent player is ever playing (let alone limp-calling) T7 from UTG? But I guess we don’t need the shoe to be on the other foot, since >90% of the time they don’t hit their miracle T on the turn or river and we stack them. If you replace that turn card with a J or even an A I guarantee Villain 13 gets stacked.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

I definitely see what you're saying John, and for sure agreed that no good player is ever limp calling with T7. But I feel that the coolers will even out eventually over time versus all players. Whether that is T7 vs 77 or KK vs AA or bottom set versus middle set and so on.

[@nicks210684]

Not shoving the river (and not starting with a full stack) was bad though. We don’t want to let the guy off cheaply when he (much more frequently) has T8s, JTs, QTs, KTs and ATo. He might not raise-shove those hands on the river himself but will definitely call a shove.

[@nicks210684]

@@BlackRain79Poker yeah, sorry Nathan just being pedantic, I get what you were trying to say. That’s why I find a string of bad beats more tilting than coolers. Coolers I can accept will even out, but players hitting those miracle river cards to me when it’s clear they should have folded is what really gets to me after a while. Anyway love the content!

[@Godsuhn]

The bad beats seemed rigged to me too......but...well if you play small and micro stakes like I do online you are going to run into more bad beats than in a live game because people will call to see a flop with rags far more often. When I play in the casino, and I raise pre flop, get called, if it goes to a showdown its very rare my opponent turns over Jack, 4 off suit after flopping trips. I find that online at the low stakes people call raises more, and like this video demonstrates.....sometime the cards just fall in a way that you have to be an expert to not get trapped.

[@manchildusa]

Should always be cautious if there are a pair on the board especially higher than your boat. Happens all the time and a big money maker if youre the higher

[@lixdonkeysck1583]

When you combine the hackers and the worthless programs on the internet your basically "Shit out of luck" if you want to play some honest poker. there is nearly no protection security wise and those who think they can beat a fraudulent algorithm need some seriously deep therapy

[@skullduggery3377]

hero lost because he didn't bet right out on the flop. it IS rigged. it's rigged against what the evil brain perceives as slowplaying. you can slowplay in a live scenario in certain situations, but not online without having the stone cold nuts first. slowplaying is a stupid move most of the time anyway, but just try to slowplay AA KK QQ pre online. see how far you get. you can't just call for pot control neither. say you have a weak A which was checked around to you in the BB and an A falls on the flop. if you are bet at on multiple streets with your top pair/weak kicker and you just call for pot control, hoping to just get to showdown, the bettor will invariably always destroy your hand by the river; especially if he was behind. how are these non isolated situations not influenced by an internal stimulus?... answer please.

[@scottjessupjones6037]

I know exactly what you mean about slow playing and pot control. But why is terrible play and terrible hands always rewarded? Why can't I ever make terrible plays with terrible hands and ever get rewarded like they do?

[@alanclarke01]

There is another factor in play, and it's human memory. You will remember bad beats far more readily than your winning suck outs. That gives you a memory bias that you lose these situations way more than win them.

[@ДрагоОбрешков]

I often get bad beats and sometimes think that the game is vs me. Then i see my results on poker tracker and say to myself " You see? You are a wining player on the long run!". Our mind makes us believe the site is rigged or whatever, because we play online huge volume of hands and when you are dealt weak hand you instantly throw it and its next hand. So majority of time we play strong hands and big pots. And the emotion of loosing is stronger than winning, so when we lose its very hard for us. When we win its just normal.

[@PeasLivesMatterGivePeasaChance]

I start to think this everytime the underdog wins on the river which is like quite a lot

[@therickestpicklerick]

It's also the rate at which it happens to consider. This is one hand, but when you have 9 out of 10 hands on heads up for someone who has barely played on the site and they somehow have some luck, something seems fishy.

[@chadgamer6942]

I went to play blackjack on vr i did probably 10 hands dealer got 3 blackjacks flipped quad 2s and 1 upped me everytime.

[@minhajsiddiqui6200]

Would u recommend a site for us players

[@Themilkmanskid.]

Online poker is more of a suppository than a depository. Also must add that if you have to stare at those cards the whole game it would make me feel nauseous which would also affect the game.

[@russelljohn5258]

I have had my full house been beaten many times by a better full house, and there's always a chance of that unless you have the nut full house, but then occasionally someone flops, turns, rivers, quads. Just keep getting the money in because most of the time you'll be up against a flush, a straight or trips all of which you have crushed. Bad beats happen.

[@nightonthetiles8833]

It's the amount of bad beats that do my nut in, called buy nothing and get rivered, so often it makes you wonder

[@Piyushrahi]

I played 87 hands in online poker out of which i won 11 pots out of which i showed 5 of them and rest didn't. Since others ruined it by raising ridiculous amount and others got the benefit or it was when i folded all in of them. It made me loose with A,7 off suited on button and then made hijack win with exact same A,7 off suited which i got. No card came so he won because of high card

[@JeffAtkins]

Lol... If all you ever saw was videos of hamsters biting people you'd probably be scared of hamsters....

[@rubenjov]

It's RIGGED! Without a doubt... SHAME

[@firejs1000]

I used to play. It was rigged. I stopped trying to play poker and played the game given which was there is always the best hand on the table. Online is trying to clear the tables as fast as possible to get the commission on the next table.

[@robertandrews8686]

when you say "the truth finally revealed" seems like clickbait to me.I don't recall you revealing your opinion let alone "the truth"

[@welcometotheshow5247]

You promoting that online poker is not rigged is what really stumps me. I've seen calls made that one would only make if one knew someones hold cards, because if a player made calls like that consistently they wouldn't have a bank roll. I have ever range for every position, the knowledge of pre flop betting, odds of hitting, plays and traps. I can confidently say online poker in the US is rigged like a minefield. Calling with A 3 off out of position with a 8 times the big blind bet because nobody respects a standard 3 or 4, flopping dead, and still calling a 3/4 pot is all I need to know. U tell me how he had the balls to call another enormous bet with the ace on the turn. This community needs to see the bad voodoo it has been promoting, can't get an honest game. I had KK, but what if i had AK all the way to A4. I was better off limping and folding yea right.

[@redfox1111999]

What do you think about the cash out vs resume feature when players are all in that pokerstars offers ? Do you like it or not... is there a situation where it's EV plus to chose the cashout feature or are you giving to much money to pokerstars when you select cash out ?

[@BlackRain79Poker]

I personally don't use the all in cashout option on PokerStars but it might help for some people.

[@Cosmic-Wanderer]

Cashout features are never there to benefit the player. Always the system.

[@Reikkhu]

Pokerstars has taken over PKR, the only 3D poker game that worked well for years then shut down overnight. They are now in control and no other online 3D poker game has seen the light of day since... Nobody talks about it, isn't it weird?