Is Open World Gacha Already Getting Old? REACTION | HexJuice | Are Open World Gacha Games Still Fun?

[@Atmo-sp]

I find it funny that suddenttly open worlds gacha are too much (when there is barely 3 of them) and the stage combat type is now the most wanted gameplay when it was criticized and not popular during the last 3 years. Where were this people during Hi3, PGR, Aether gazer, Snowbreak, Nikke, or any other anime ip games etc.. ? I know that a lot of people don't like open world games but again there is barely 3 of them in the gacha space. Especialy when so much people eated and praized Genshin so much for the last 3 to 4 years as the top gacha game ever. To the point of some of them rejecting HSR because it was not an open world. Nothing against Hex, if she don't like it anymore that's her feeling and nothing bad about it. But why suddently a lot of people are saying it but when other people said that before it was rejected. Edit : And i'm pretty sure she didn't play ToF more than 2 weeks and Wuwa is out for like what 1 month and half...

[@Mikaeveli-z]

Because CCs want to play 5 games at the same time for money. Obviously you feel burn out, especially if you are easily affected by fomo.

[@HazardTone]

Only a small portion of the community cares about closed space action games and ZZZ will lose that hype it's getting now in just a matter of time. After that it will fall into fighting the player base of PGR AG snowbreak and HI3 and tbh the community of these games will not prefer zzz over their game. They play for combat and the best option for them was having the freedom to do so and in zzz you can't do that.

[@xAzur3x]

I feel like there are a lot of games that are trying to go in different directions. We have turn base bases (HSR, Brown Dust 2, FGO), card games (Yugioh, Magic), shooters (Snow break, Duet Night Abyss), open world (Genshin, Wuwa, TOF), combat action orientated games (Aether Gazer, HI3rd, PGR,ZZ) , we even having games like Arknights going into the x-com direction. I think she's just not exploring outwards to more of the niche titles and want more big budget titles games. I think it’s just a matter of games being released within such a short time span, that she feels this way like you said in the spectrum of things there's not that many gacha open worlds that released. There was burn out for survivals, open world, Mobas, it’s just a matter of people cycling through the moods.

[@Atomixi]

Yeah, I think ultimately when feeling this way, it's best just to look into other genres/games. I'm not burnt out *yet* with the kind of formula Genshin/WuWa have going on for the open world design, but with Genshin having been around so long, I think that's what gets some people if they've invested a lot of time into this style of game - not that there's "so many of them" because there isn't. In short, I think it's more of a "you problem" than an objective reality.

[@ugh5281]

there are only 3 open world gachas out as far as i know and out of those 3 the only games that people actually play are genshin and more recently, wuwa. so how are the only 2 open world games we have suddenly "getting old"? i think it's either ppl not liking open world games in general or them getting burnt out from playing genshin for so many years. i personally like open world games so i can't relate.

[@momokosakurada605]

3 nah theres more to come 3 or 4 more to be more correct

[@ugh5281]

@@momokosakurada605 i'm talking about the games we have currently

[@momokosakurada605]

@@ugh5281 currently its 3 open world that are in attention

[@poster66]

It's so funny how last week's discourse was: "We need more competition". Now that competition is arriving, they feel burnout. She just got bored, and she'll get bored again with every new gacha that comes out. It's the same story over and over again, people try to find things in gacha games that the business model itself will never be able to deliver.

[@Atomixi]

I think you're right. At the end of the day, the business model needs continual content in order to survive between patches. Open world format is the most desirable, and also "easiest" way to do that.

[@Prodigal450]

She's bipolar, don't know what she wants. pgr and hi3 and AG been a thing for years but her excuse is "outdated ui" as if the ui havent been updated. Besides, the ui was already good to begin with. Its a catch 22 with these ppl. Damned if you do damned if you don't

[@zealgaming8161]

Yep, sorta facepalming that she complains about WuWa and ZZZ but keeps on ignoring PGR which blows both of those games out of the water my a mile and then some.

[@Prodigal450]

@@zealgaming8161 i agree

[@Yewrenegade]

I mean 2020 was the start so...4yrs. Id say its fair that open world gacha games feels like its old, but however we're kinds reaching the 5yr mark so my guess its in phase 2 in a way, but it will be getting old much faster in a sense. We got upcoming gacha games announced from these 4yrs and are still in production for maybe this or next year for a beta release

[@Atomixi]

I do understand some people being fatigued having played the style of the game for so long, even if there aren't many of those games out there in total in the Gacha space.

[@momokosakurada605]

@@Atomixi dont forget but open world game can be very exhausting because its way too time consuming if u are working and everytime u spend on trying to catch up rather than playing other games.

[@Noobster474]

@@Atomixi Why u deleted my comment King 😭🙏

[@Atomixi]

@@Noobster474 Hey man, I didn't delete any comments! YT can be weird sometimes with displaying comments - I get that often on channels I've never even visited before where they don't seem to show. Can assure you though that I didn't delete it.

[@Noobster474]

@@Atomixi alright, let me repost my comment about how ZZZ had already ended wuwa and every single CCs had already exposed wuwa because it's a trash product that tried to copy ZZZ like Iyo, Hex, Pokke, Tectone ✋🤚😭

[@Geminosity]

The whole Rally missions and 'legacy dungeons' you mention are definitely what I want: more gacha dungeon crawlers where you run through procedurally generated dungeons and can optionally coop. Just to be absolutely clear though: when I say dungeon crawler I mean you enter the dungeon and run about as your characters, flipping switches, finding chests, avoiding traps and enter/exiting combat seamlessly. No weird abstractions like the ZZZ Tvs or turning the dungeon into a UI navigation exercise. Again, Rally missions in ZZZ are a good example of what I want more of. Same for Labyrinth Warriors in Genshin or even Misty Dungeons (minus the timer) Oh and on that topic: no goddamn timers. They seriously need to see someone about their bizarre fetish with timing everything. I want to explore, but open worlds are kind of one-and-done. I feel procedural dungeons would give a lot more replay and bang for the developer buck :D EDIT: You mentioning First Person gacha is interesting as I'm working away on a little VR project that I may or may not add some 'gacha' to. Rather than the character you play being the gacha element, though, it'll be small followers (a bit like the Mags in Phantasy Star Online) that'll determine your avatar's powers and whatnot :3

[@ErmaHume]

>HexJuice. Not the best CC to follow in terms of gacha takes but ok.

[@kittencuds]

true

[@Atomixi]

I quite like her, but I probably haven't been watching her as long as you and other people have.

[@OverlordMango]

No such thing as too many. Content creators and players are having FOMO and burnout at the same time. They're overplaying. Personally, I skipped Genshin, play Wuwa and tried ZZZ. Almost the same history as Hex. I'm not really a fan of the open world aspect. But really? Whether it's open world or not does little to the grind, the actual important part of gachas. Getting gear is genuinely shit in Hoyo games. I remember farming for 2 months on Blade's release in HSR to get his 4 pc and 2 pc to a good level. On the other side, I built Jiyan's gear in Wuwa on the first month. Zzz gave me strong HSR vibes with the grind so I just stopped at level 30.

[@momokosakurada605]

ZZZ is closer to HI rather than HSR. HSR is quite draining also. ZZZ is similiar to HI

[@HazardTone]

​@@momokosakurada605he means grinding for gears not gameplay

[@momokosakurada605]

@@HazardTone i see.

[@zealgaming8161]

Tbh, gear is the reason I'm on the verge of quitting HSR and Genshin. Just cruising among doing my daily login for 90 primos atm, but ym inventories are filled in both games and I just can't be arsed to spend hours sorting trough all the useless gear. WuWa has same problem and ZZZ probably too... Can only deal with one such inventory management game at a time and Ill give that to WuWa then hoping that Kuro will make the game good in the future. I've pretty much given up hope that Hoyo will ever make their games give me that childlike wonder which I got with PGR now after I started it with WuWa.

[@HazardTone]

@@zealgaming8161 already quit HSR despite having a good roster. Mainly because of gear farming. Like it's very hard to get your desired mainstat. And additionally you need to RNG the rolls in substats as well 💀

[@Hoodrych24]

I mean this in a non offensive way but why is every reaction you do a Hexjuice vid? She is not the person id listen to for gacha takes at all and theres many other creators out there who offer way better takes and perspectives on these games then she does imo.

[@milmil5350]

There are only 2 open world games. How does that equate to "too many"? 😅 If 2 is too many, then maybe the open world genre is just not for you in general, which is fine. But the fact stands: 2 is not many. lol I don't count MMOs. Majority of them have large worlds in order to hold players, so I think it's fair not to include it.

[@momokosakurada605]

its not 2 its 3 actually. theres another 4 coming. but it is more interesting than the current 3 that is out

[@Atomixi]

Yeah I mean, realistically it's not many (Only three if we count ToF, to my knowledge). I think it's more people getting burned out on those games being so high profile and by extension, playing them *a lot*, that is burning some people out. I do think it's a more subjective case by case concern for certain people.

[@momokosakurada605]

@@Atomixi good thing 3 of them will be different that is coming out. Tbh its not 4 that is coming out its 5 if i remember correctly

[@Taobakoinay-h7k]

I think she was just burned out. But still open world on a gacha game is just a bonus. If she is looking for the excitement you get on an open world games, she wont find it on either genshin or wuwa. First of all, there's no randomness, no random encounters because monsters are in a specific locations and once tou ransacked the worlds treasures there nothing to do. There's also no survival aspect so exploring will be easy and foods in these games are just buffs and healing items. Also dungeons are just for farming materials. Dungeons should be a place to explore like for example in games like skyrim and fallout where theres an excitement once you found a cave full of dead people with diaries or notes to read and found out they were atracked by bandits, infested with ghouls and so on. Also there's the engine limit, you can never have a perfect game and so much more genshin and wuwa are crossplatform so they have to balance features and optimization. Imagine a perfect game but you cant play it right? one example is skyrim modding, we put a lot of mods to make the game perfect only to overload the game in the process and destroy the game while playing. She should stop having high expectations on gacha games.

[@mateyo_]

the tectone influence is showing lol

[@Atomixi]

I think the presentation style in taking stream clips and the "rambling" might give you that idea. I've always been this way though with my takes/criticism, long before I ever knew of Tectone's existence!

[@MauveButterfly]

Regarding burnout: a lot of gacha players seem to want to not play their games. Log in to do your dailies as quickly as possible and then log out. Autoplay is even held up as a desirable feature to have. To be fair, a lot of gacha games barely even have gameplay, and it's all about account progression. Exploration of an open world will be slow compared to other forms of account progression. I love exploration in both Genshin Impact and Wuthering Waves, and I think the secret to enjoying these games is to just not care about having a good account or pulling for new characters. If all you care about are rewards and premium currency (and maybe even use an online map to 100% a new region the day it releases), and you don't want to spend time actually playing the game, then an open world won't work for you.

[@momokosakurada605]

i think the burnout is also trying to catch up also. I may play Wuwa again once its on playstation but i will just do it for daily

[@MauveButterfly]

True. I started Genshin Impact earlier this year, and I completed all the Archon and Story quests (main story and 5* character side story) stuff from the first 4 regions. Suddenly I just didn't have the desire to push through Fontaine, so that's where I stopped.

[@momokosakurada605]

@@MauveButterfly thats why i prefer zzz and snowbreak more cause catching up is easy and not hard and u can play easily and no need to rush it

[@MauveButterfly]

@@momokosakurada605 I've been deliberately taking my time with Wuthering Waves, so I don't think I'll experience burnout there. I was considering Azur Promilia, but that would be a third open world gacha which might be a bit much. Unfortunately, the non-open-world games haven't appealed to me as much. Might end up trying ZZZ since I love Persona and it seems to hit that vibe. I'll probably be that weirdo that prefers the TVs to the combat.

[@momokosakurada605]

@@MauveButterfly The tv is gonna be changed its gonna be similiar to one of the mission im fine with the tv

[@gullygod0993]

I have been playing gacha since 2013 they're like fast food for me , but genshin and wuwa drags because of the open world, the yap fest of the nonsensical story at times and upgrade progression of characters takes too long. HSR is not so bad because it's turn base but it have the same other issues for me.

[@Noobster474]

So there's no yapfest in zzz?

[@HazardTone]

​@@Noobster474lol the entire 30 hours of zzz without skipping is literally yapfest session

[@zealgaming8161]

Bad stories become yapfests. WuWa and Hoyo stories are not very good imo. Picked up PGR at same time as WuWa and have read hundreds of hours of just visual novel style writing in the game and never felt like it was a yapfest because the story and characters where great.

[@bishamon1075]

Its not open world fatique for me. Its combat with swap mechanic thats getting tiresome, when is dev gonna grow some ball to make action where you and 3-4 other character run around with you beating shit up. I know aether gazer exist and endfield is coming but we need more y'know.

[@HazardTone]

Just play xenoblade

[@momokosakurada605]

ZZZ and Snowbreak and other jp games are what i mainly play. I dont really play wuwa or genshin because i quit mainly because its not a money problem but cause it feels like it will never end. The problem with these kind of open world game is its not going to end. U are gonna be forever exploring. i prefer partial exploration like zzz and snowbreak as it is more relaxing rather than wuwa or genshin

[@zealgaming8161]

I play both Genshin and WuWa. My zones in both games is just 30% complete and I'm fine with that. Nobody is forcing me to explore in either of them. I like they the option exist, because at times I might just be in the mood to do it. I generally play for story and combat, not to explore.

[@momokosakurada605]

@@zealgaming8161 i feel that i have to explore because of side story and main story sometimes going there

[@zealgaming8161]

@@momokosakurada605 I think the stories get better if I have no prior knowledge of the place I'm heading to for the quest. As I said, I enjoy an open world for the feeling of freedom it adds. I'm just not existing within this contained lobby. But rather, this is an interconnected world. I can just go in a random direction and enjoy the scenery at my own pleasure and maybe loot a chest or two while at it. Trying to 100% Lyule and Inazuma burned me out completely on exploration. There's just something fake with +Vaacum cleaning+ a zone.

[@momokosakurada605]

@@zealgaming8161 thats why i think open world is good as long as it doesnt expand every single time. THe thing its because its a game where it is online so it will expand forever.

[@rhoem1353]

Play like 6 gacha play different kind fgo wuwa epic seven genshin hsr zzz yeah alway seek a pvp gacha fate for story genshin just comfort wuwa better genshin but story hsr story and character gameplay not my fav zzz story only combat not screaming great to me yet