Is PERMAFROST the Climate Tipping Point of No Return?

Arctic air is warming, causing scientists to worry that melting arctic ice and snow could also lead to a sudden permafrost thaw and release of carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane (CH4) that forms a climate tipping point or feedback loop. Thawing of permafrost has been linked to releasing zombie viruses not seen in millennia and the feedback loop mentioned in the recent IPCC report and COP27 focused on the release of CO2. This is something that US leaders hope the 2022 climate change bill (Inflation Reduction Act) could help avoid, but the trigger temperature may be coming sooner than expected.
In 2008, Tim Lenton published a groundbreaking paper on tipping points. Permafrost was left off the list at the time. But since then, additional research has shown that this truly enormous store of carbon is far more susceptible to global warming than we just recently believed.
If the permafrost that covers much of the northern hemisphere were to reach this tipping point, it would add many gigatons of greenhouse gas into our atmosphere, significantly worsening climate change, and threatening many of the other climate tipping points.
This episode of Weathered explores the latest research on the possibilities of abrupt permafrost thaw as well as the much deeper yedoma regions that could be triggered later on.
Weathered is a show hosted by weather expert Maiya May and produced by Balance Media that helps explain the most common natural disasters, what causes them, how they’re changing, and what we can do to prepare.
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[@beth8775]

Given how many times we've already been surprised at things happening faster than predicted, I won't be surprised if it's easier to melt that permafrost than currently estimated.

[@Iamrightyouarewrong]

Shuddup.

[@nottenvironmental6208]

The Arctic has warmed well over 1.5 already? This report downplays the reality and is based on old averaged data.

[@ukeyaoitrash2618]

@@nottenvironmental6208 i assume they mean 3.0 degrees global average is needed...

[@MoldyMan.]

Yeah I Do Agree But I also do think global warming isn't happening as fast like we predict of course it will melt but i really doubt that it is gonna happen in like 5 more years i feel like another 78 Years Until 2/4 of the ice melts

[@nottenvironmental6208]

@@MoldyMan. the Arctic has already warmed 3-4°c. It's melted faster than predicted in most areas but still shows resilience. Considering the fact we have predicted less warming than reality, your comment seems illogical and ignores the failure of current predicted changes. Then add in new information about non linear collapse of ice and methane bursts, your position is a highly risky one. As a conservative, I can't support such a highly risky approach with the outcomes of your position being wrong so severe, lives and livelihoods will be lost just to prop up a sunset industry and limit jobs and prosperity from sunrise industries. Risking lives and survival on a hunch is scary 😨

[@bogtrotter5110]

As long as our form of governement remains a plutocracy, the economy will always trump the environment.

[@ecurewitz]

Because billionaires gotta. Are more money no matter who dies

[@tobybartlett]

It’s crazy that literally the billionaires who’s empires are destroying the planet almost all have children (and grandchildren) seem to think they’re not making an uninhabitable world for the kids they’re leaving behind. It makes no sense. Are they that delusional? In denial? Wouldn’t you care if running your business meant your grandchild would end up a climate refugee?!

[@SouthCom1917]

As long as our economy remains driven by the profit motive and market logic, we will always have a plutocracy. The political structure reflects the base economic system, unfortunately

[@Chroogomphus]

There are actually perverse incentives to speed up the warming such as opening trade routes in the Arctic

[@hapaxlegomenon9085]

I hear talk of ruining the moon by pumping particulates into space in between the eart and the sun from it to fix global warming... for profit... instead of just not ruining the moon by just stopping the ruining of earth... for profit. Doomed... we're doomed.

[@BufordTGleason]

We’ve had to already hit tipping points. Each new climate report paints the same picture, faster than we thought. So feedback loops are active and gaining momentum and may have already been crossed.

[@TS-jj1wi]

And your dumb enough to believe this crap, lol

[@nerfherder4284]

During the W Bush era they started toning all these reports down so as not to scare people and Global Warming was rebranded Climate change.

[@righthandstep5]

Oh I agree. We've likely past the last and 9th tipping point by 2015 tops!

[@billyjoesmo8251]

1991 Tipping Point. That point it was irreversible.

[@christophernuzzi2780]

So then I say let's go on about our business as always.

[@GrandmaBev64]

There used to be snow and ice, from the top states of the US, through Canada and Alaska. Now, it barely snows. The ice used to be pristine and white. The spot and pollution have turned the ice black, and is melting a lot faster than it would have if we didn't pollute. I think it's too late. Some people are not taking the causes seriously. I really feel sorry for our kids and grandkids!

[@grindupBaker]

Not permafrost throughout Canada only winter snow & ice (I'm looking at it) but yes there's less than a few decades ago. I'm fairly sure that the nice video lady already said that.

[@maryjeanjones7569]

Wildfire Ash is turning ice and permafrost black. This will result in a faster melt because the sun can't deflect therefore heating everything up faster.

[@christophernuzzi2780]

We're not taking it seriously because it's all a lie. If future generations aren't fine, it won't be because of climate change. It will be because powerful people, who have figured out that fake emergencies give them unlimited control, have destroyed our way of life and standard of living because they want to bring the entire world down to a third-world level of bare subsistence. Every one of their doom-and-gloom predictions has failed to come true. Remember when Obama said that the glaciers in Glacier National Park would be melted by 2020? Still there, big as ever. The National Parks Service actually had a sign with that prediction up at the overlook, then they quietly removed it. Alleged climate change is the biggest power grab in history. Stop giving in to manufactured fear.

[@rainbowwarrior2635]

yeah we're at 2.2C above 1770 norm already, but we got very fortunate and it winds up we still have more then 5 million square km of ice in the artic pole so we wont have immediate societal collapse. So we will live beyond 2026 but 2027 to 2028 are very real societal collapse points. Oh well, "they were the best of times and they were the worst of times". Now is great time to achieve spiritual realization. Everybodies life is a life and death scenerio. It's just the story and terrain our lives play out on.

[@AvangionQ]

I think that all of this is a huge underestimate and that the arctic methane release will come a lot sooner than predicted.

[@BoogieManSince1977]

Agreed

[@EmeraldView]

Every climate prediction has been underestimated.

[@carleddison7479]

You do know that CH4 oxidises rapidly into H20 and CO2 when it is released into the atmosphere?

[@filmaker256]

They should pump it out to supply Methane industry

[@EmeraldView]

@@carleddison7479 Sure if you call a dozen years rapid. What could a dozen years of a potent greenhouse gas like Methane do? Well... good thing CO2 and Water Vapor aren't green house gasses.

[@victoriaeads6126]

So many of these tipping point events remind me of a slow plumbing leak. It *seems* like just a few drops here and there, but when you put a bucket under it, you realize that you're losing gallons of water daily. Of course, a plumbing leak can be fixed fairly easily.....

[@merleshand2442]

I said the same thing about immigration 30 years ago

[@Red-Brick-Dream]

Relative to the cost of doing nothing, so can climate change. But of course, to do so democratically depends on a small majority of human beings being both reasonably intelligent and halfway decent. The rank falsity of this, of course, is precisely what's brought us to this point.

[@macmcleod1188]

Interesting. I also consider the possible sublimation of methane calcites to be equivalent to the leaky water main running outside your house bursting.

[@Rick-yk5qb]

You can't solve a climate problem that doesn't exist. It's a scam.

[@joseph-mariopelerin7028]

You should watch serious videos... they'll portrait a very different reality... What if it's was all a scam?

[@markseagraves5486]

It's seems clear enough that the two major threats to our survival are greed and ignorance.

[@rickx1621]

and apathy.. People JUST don't care... toooooo busy playing video games and multiple other DISTRACTIONS vs DEALING with the real issues of life.. ho hum...

[@The1redman2]

What about the fact that this has happened multiple times before humans ever learned how to burn fossil fuels? We have not had anything to do with this so-called climate change it's a 100% natural process the earth goes through. We're technically still in a glacial period, there are glaciers on mountains still.

[@pitpalac]

@@rickx1621 ...and violent arguments or threats from the deniers of global warming. The narrative or arguments of deniers are almost always backed up by the police, soldiers, armies of lawyers, bankers and their. politicians.

[@Rick-yk5qb]

@@rickx1621 If you spent 10 minutes doing research you would know this is a scam.

[@tarstarkusz]

Yes, ignorance on your part. Anyone who thinks we can stop burning fossil fuel any time in the medium future is extremely ignorant. Trying to do this now or in the medium future would lead to billions of deaths.

[@zeke8701]

I think it's a done deal. My simplistic analogy is: I'm on the Titanic a bit after the iceberg. Just been down to third class where people are starting die. Go up the first class (US) and the talk is this really true with all the silly talk of "are we really sinking". Talk is a trip they wanta take, buying a new car or as I listened to short time ago "my compost". I heard a guy say "weather is weird". No shit Charley. All the "we could do", we should do", etc is simply a waste of time. Sometimes reality is a bitch but that doesn't change it.

[@QuitworkBehappy]

Not even close to a tipping point. 2 million years ago the average temp was 11 to 19 C on average warmer than today...no tipping point...and we entered the Ice Ages after it kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmaaf2ymYp2Bmqs

[@thermaldynamics]

my childhood bedroom faced permafrost mountains and over the years ive had to watch them melt over time and now it just rains in the winter :( i loved winter and snow but now winter is just sad bc of how much it rains. spring used to make me sad when the snow melted late march/april but now its nov/dec and theres only rain and hardly snow the rest of winter, heartbreaking really

[@merleshand2442]

Yeah and in a few decades it will change back weather happens in cycles not just seasons

[@kittimcconnell2633]

Where I am, we're getting heavy rains in late winter and flooding is getting worse and more frequent. Trees soak up summer rains but that's not happening in February and March.

[@dankonesovic8437]

That's sad that our Earth is dieing in front of our eyes.

[@briandbeaudin9166]

​@@merleshand2442 what bearing does what you say have on this discussion? Weather cycles overlay broader general climactic conditions. In the grand scheme, local weather is immaterial. It is the global climate trend that matters. Because the planetary climate is a dynamic, chaotic system, the energy of which increases as a function of increased heat retention, unexpected events will become the norm.

[@proximacentaur1654]

@@briandbeaudin9166 Not really. The interactions are far more complex and nuanced, and we're still learning new things about them.

[@castaway499]

AMEG (the Arctic Methane Emergency Group) has been warning about the thawing of permafrost for years. Glad this is getting the attention it deserves.

[@ianalan4367]

55 million years actually. At least that is the last time it melted we are to believe. Global warming has happened before and it will happen again whether mankind is on this earth or not. Our climate has always been in change and always will be. Now, whether we are accelerating that change is a separate question.

[@urpotaskinen]

Seems this group is not very active, their homepage is down. Redirects to a Facebook page.

[@castaway499]

@Urpo Taskinen You can find their conferences on KZbin. Main people are Paul Nissen, Stuart Scott, and Paul Beckwith. Paul Beckwith has many videos on his KZbin channel about arctic methane.

[@tonywagner4836]

Just a hunch, but my guess is at some point we will see a sudden collapse of large areas of permafrost. the mechanism is the formation of large numbers of dark melt water potholes that absorb sunlight at a much higher rate than surrounding areas and the influx of more deep-rooted plants that penetrate the soil.

[@Blackbird58]

A bit late now though, isn't it? I am fairly sure that the beginnings of a runaway Methane gas release are already with us, it would take decades for even the most Draconian CO2 reduction measures to turn back the tide on the melting taking place in the Arctc-this is where we will all learn exactly what the word "exponential" means. This is possibly the very, very worst time in human history to think about raising a family.

[@DanFlorio]

This whole idea of blowing past one tipping point after another somehow reminds me of my favorite quote from Douglas Adams: "I just love deadlines, and the *whoosing* noise they make is they go past." Just replace "deadlines" with "tipping points."

[@QuitworkBehappy]

Not even close to a tipping point. 2 million years ago the average temp was 11 to 19 C on average warmer than today...no tipping point...and we entered the Ice Ages after it kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmaaf2ymYp2Bmqs

[@rajun1231]

The world's climate has been at the point of no return for decades now.

[@QuitworkBehappy]

Not even close to a tipping point. 2 million years ago the average temp was 11 to 19 C on average warmer than today...no tipping point...and we entered the Ice Ages after it kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmaaf2ymYp2Bmqs

[@victoriaeads6126]

They call it the compost BOMB effect for good reason. If you've ever maintained a large compost heap, you'll know it needs to be turned regularly or the methane buildup can cause fires and explosions. Backyard compost isn't usually too dangerous, but that's why those fancy composting bins are able to rotate. It saves you from turning it with a shovel.

[@anthonymorris5084]

Then why didn't this kill us all when glaciers began to melt 10,000 years ago, exposing vastly more permafrost and releasing far more methane? Humans survived with zero technology.

[@hosnimubarak8869]

@@anthonymorris5084 It's getting old Tony.

[@warrenpuckett4203]

I guess I was wrong for the last 60 years. I thought was done to mix the nutrients with the soil. But mixing chicken manure really made things grow for some reason. Oh and don't let get too wet. Adding more soil and turning every 2 weeks works best. But what do I know? I am the grandson of grandsons of farmers. I also know I inherited the same brainpower they had. As for this climate thing. Well if you believe in geology it changes. With or without human help. mostly without So what conditions caused all those coal and oil deposits. Where did that carbon come from? Why so much? How come evidence tropical plant and animal life is found on EVERY continent? So I guess the sun is a regulated nuclear furnace, the earths orbit always in a perfect circle and the the molten core that the continents float on also gets free and constant energy. The only thing I am sure of is of during my 76 years on this planet. Things change. Fashion changes even quicker. Now I have to put the verboten CA Generator back in the garage. The electric power is back online. Don't worry I don't have a fireplace. Like my grandfathers had. Don't worry about the planet. It was here before hairless apes walked on two legs. It will be here after we destroy all of the upright walking predatory apes. I hate spelling and grammar correction. Because I always have to go back and change to represent how I speak English. F%C*$*^ AI manure! www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/hasnt-earth-warmed-and-cooled-naturally-throughout-history

[@vikingored7469]

@Warren pucker there's evidence of ancient flood from all iver the world stories and ancient writings,,,you are right about the earth changing and that's a way of planet earth if getting rid if pest or so called parasites by drowining their apeass destructive ways the same way fleas get washed of a dog.

[@ohgawd]

​@@hosnimubarak8869 what - is tight pants tony here???

[@Vector_Ze]

"We" have been aware of the problem and the steps we need to take to avoid serious consequences for decades. We've also known that the longer we procrastinate, the more drastic measures needed would become. And, so far, we've done nowhere near what is needed. That's a trend I expect to continue until seriously dire results are unavoidable.

[@MrDisgruntledGamer1]

sadly its near 100% certain that this is how it will play out, capitalism trumps over everything.

[@RichardMiller-tq6ut]

@@MrDisgruntledGamer1 capitalism pulled billions of people out of poverty.

[@MrDisgruntledGamer1]

@@RichardMiller-tq6ut maybe the capitalism of 50 years ago, this is capitalism on overdrive, nothing, and i mean nothing, matters other than exponential profits. Not even your measly pathetic life, otherwise youd have free speedy healthcare, great transportation, and would sleep for once instead of living at your job earning the same wage you where earning 5 years ago.

[@RichardMiller-tq6ut]

@@MrDisgruntledGamer1 I have all of these things.

[@toddharig8142]

We can recycle plastic and take the bus all we want, at the end of the day its the top 1% corporations pushing us towards extinction. "We" can't do much more than hold them accountable or wait to die.

[@Rakshasa1986]

I grew up in Toronto in the 90s. The difference in winter then and now is basically night and day. It's the middle of winter as I'm posting this. Yesterday was 15°C, which is closer to early-mid spring.

[@kittimcconnell2633]

the poles are seeing the biggest changes in weather and climate.

[@subcummins0134]

It's been a very cold and snowy winter here in the Rockies in Colorado though. Weird.

[@Rakshasa1986]

@@subcummins0134 I definitely envy you, if it's that cold where you are. A few days passed since my OP. It's 3°C right now, which will reach to a high of 5. Looks like no winter for me this year.

[@subcummins0134]

@@Rakshasa1986 It has been an epic winter here. I live high up in the mountains. Almost 150% snowpack. 35 nights below zero Fahrenheit where I live so far this winter and more to come. But even Denver had snow on the ground pretty much the entire month of January. One of their coldest too. I had a teams meeting with a guy just north of Ottawa Canada a couple weeks ago. He said he just had a bunch of snow and it was -40C. I guess it's warmed up quite a bit since then?

[@Rakshasa1986]

@@subcummins0134 Ottawa is further up north from Toronto (about 350km - or 218 miles). It's far enough away that they have their own weather. I googled what the temperature for Ottawa was and it says it's currently -1°C. -40 to -1 is a massive swing. It definitely warmed up a lot.

[@michaelrexrode3759]

It happens slowly, then all at once.

[@laurataylornyc9]

Thank you for bringing this information to the pubic. It needs to hit home because most people are in a state of cognitive dissonance and walking around enjoying the warm weather. I don’t see enough acknowledgement or acceptance that we are in a CLIMATE CRISIS.

[@tobybartlett]

Where I live in Canada, today would typically be -20°c since I was a child. It’s currently +1°c. We’re all noticing it up in the North. Unfortunately, until a lot of people literally experience this directly they just choose to ignore it.

[@sarahlachman1349]

This isn't a "crisis" the planet's been warming for years, and its still colder then it was 65M years ago, our eviromental damage is much more of a real crsis

[@gingerpickett6958]

Not all of us are ignoring it. You’re not ignoring it. I’m not. I’ve recently started getting a lot more involved in climate activism, and I’ve met some really awesome people that way.

[@baizhanghuaihai2298]

I have been aware of tipping point research and modeling for about a decade now, and have had a lot of time to grieve the potential, even probably, collapse of human civilization and the extinction of so many other species as well. There are many others who also have realized this for a long time. Most people recoil when they hear about the “big four” for people in highly developed countries: 1. driving a personal vehicle, 2. flying for leisure or business, 3. eating a meat intensive diet, and for westerners, 4. having kids. I gave up driving over 10 years ago, after owning a car from the age of 16 til I was 26. I also have not flown in that decade, as I will only do so for emergencies, not for leisure or economic necessity. I don’t eat meat unless somebody else has already purchased it (it has already been purchased, not eating it would be wasteful of the resources already put into it and also it might not get composted and would just become more greenhouse gasses). And I don’t have kids (as an American, having kids is hugely carbon intensive, it’s a different story for people living more sustainably, though overall population is a problem that can be solved by everybody having fewer kids and making infrastructure for an aging population so that we don’t burden our kids with our numbers and our terrible handling of this situation). These lifestyle choices have been very tough for me as I come from an economically disadvantaged background, I have not been able to get ahead because I have concerned myself with these things and taken them seriously. I imagined that by this time ever6body was going to get with the program, but your view of human nature changes from your mid twenties to your late thirties…people will never give up their comfort. It is the last diners at their tables on the Titanic, the string quartet playin til the end.

[@brodyhess5553]

Cause most people realize this is giant scam

[@Pistolita221]

This (permafrost melting) and methane hydrate is why Don't Look Up was made, we have functionally passed the tipping point, we would have to stop all human emissions today in order to avoid this tipping point. This mechanism (co2 induced frozen methane release) caused the Permian Extinction. It's absolutely stunning what we've set in motion for future generations.

[@philipm3173]

What future generations?

[@Pistolita221]

@@philipm3173 valid.

[@DeborahRosen99]

Even if we stopped all human CO2 and methane emissions *right now,* we've already set into motion a shift in global climate to at least 2'C, if not more. That's already begun, and it can't be taken back. All we can do is not make it worse.

[@Pistolita221]

@@DeborahRosen99 only 2c with close to 2 trillion tons of methane melting? lol, I wish I had your optimism. I expect 2c by 2035, and up to 5c total shift UNLESS the AMOC shuts down and refreezes the polar methane stores. But is the AMOC shutting down really a good thing? No, but sadly, that's our best case scenario. We could EASILY outpace the GAT change that caused the Permian Extinction.

[@1ACL]

My 6th grade science teacher taught us about "tipping points" in 1973. And remember the "energy crisis" around that time? We have known we needed to get off of fossil fuels for a very long time, and we didnt do it. Too late now, friends. Too late. Buckle up because it's going to be a crazy ride from now on.

[@RissaFirecat]

I know. This is already too late. We are all in trouble.

[@LK-pc4sq]

WOW, I was a kid in 1973 and recall a neighbors kid telling me the news about the earth warming "he said it was the sun, but I knew he was not telling me the truth" Can you tell me what school you went to?

[@allan339]

It's not too late. We could lock up massive amounts of carbon if we got rid of our lawns and turned them into organic gardens and taught everyone how to compost house waste.

[@neverrl3379]

@@allan339 We could do many things. But let's stay real and ask: What have we done so far at all? Not that much really.

[@allan339]

@@neverrl3379 So let's not bother then? What are you actually trying to say? Roll over for the greedy corporations? Do what you wish. I'll keep doing my "many things" while you :stay real".

[@caja210]

I'm with William Rees and Nate Hagens here. Overshoot is the problem. Climate change is a symptom of the cheap energy we've had to exploit the planet. The best way to mitigate seems to be to get off of our addiction to growth. If we stopped plowing excess of CO2 could be drawn down within a couple of years with same or better foodproduction.. See UN report on soil. No need for technical solutions, which anyway comes from the worldview that got us into this predicament. As another commentator wrote: "economy comes before ecology"..."Ecology" being externalized in economic thinking. etc etc etc etc

[@limbodog]

I feel bad for young people.

[@kittimcconnell2633]

it's not just going to affect young people, it's happening very quickly. But I hear you.

[@limbodog]

@@kittimcconnell2633 Yes, it's already affecting me. But as it will continue to get worse, the people who outlive me will have to deal with a lot worse than what I'm dealing with now. At some point it will routinely be life-threatening and climate-change related circumstances will be a common cause of death

[@rainbowwarrior2635]

Generation z is the first generation of people who want less freedom, less privacy, more restriction on freedom of speech, more racism, etc. They're the result of a bunch of single mothers with no father or accountability. It goes back to the baby boomers and all that hippy sht. But it is interesting to look at what happened in the 60's. That was a pretty wild party for a second there. It's just it winds up women have to be accountable for their sexuality and they can'thave sex outside of marriage and still maintain stable homes and families. Womens job is to take care of children, when women take care of children then children/society take care of them. This is why women can't have abortions, because then they wont be responsible for their sexuality and society will collapse. It has nothing to do with murder or living being or anything like that, it has more to do with responsibility and accountability to society.

[@jimisru]

It always seems like scientists isolate events. You look at melting then make predictions that things don't get bad for decades. This allows people to ignore it. But you don't take in the entire picture. The storms, floods, fires, and droughts already have gotten much worse. Add to the three additional children PER SECOND, and eight billion people already here and then do the math. Then you have every city on the planet using the same resources. Cities use the same cars, computers, clothing, housing, roads, factories, stores, etc. Not only is permafrost melting, but so is ice all over the world. Rising seas will destroy coastal civilizations. Droughts will cause the end of agriculture. Fires will destroy everything in it's path. Floods have become insane. So it's time to calculate all of these effects when doing a video like this. Otherwise you isolate the issue into something that only exists as an abstract. Habitat overshoot and the effects of climate change should be discussed more considering these facts. This isn't happening in decades in the future. This is happening right now.

[@emmanuelmatos9925]

Omg 😳 love this comment

[@kittimcconnell2633]

You're not wrong, but that kind of whole information causes some people to panic and others to scoff and ignore any further information. We need reasonable thought and response to these crises.

[@emmanuelmatos9925]

@@kittimcconnell2633 absorb

[@emmanuelmatos9925]

@@kittimcconnell2633 absolutely

[@LivingNow678]

@@kittimcconnell2633 in fact, no many people has seen the geologist and geophysicist Elizaveta Khromova associated with Creative Society, on the first 30 minutes video 'our survival is in unity'

[@nobody687]

The bigger issue is the laptev sea, the methane there is thawing extremely fast.

[@Oldcarnut63]

Who cares really , stop worrying about things you cant change just enjoy the time you have left .

[@djj949]

Learned a few things, great vid!

[@ardiris2715]

Usually our lawns here are brown by mid-November, snow or not. This is February. The lawns are still green, and new growth has already begun. Anecdotal, I know, but it is what it is.

[@ziziroberts8041]

Yes. True. The iguanas are already mating here in Florida.

[@reuireuiop0]

In my region, the regular time for farmers to do the first cut of grass on the meadows used to be in the month of May in the not so recent past, post ww2. With modern agricultural practices, it became earlier, late March at the earliest. Today, I've seen grass that had been cut, falcons flying over to catch mice. It's Valentine's day, Feb 14

[@ecurewitz]

There were flowers blooming in Cambridge Massachusetts earlier this week. February 12!

[@kneau]

"It is what it is" -- is as a toxic saying. When concerning climate change, I believe use of such a saying is anti-intellectual; anti-empiricist, at least.

[@ardiris2715]

@@kneau You do you. LOL

[@granitfog]

Imagine I have opened the door to my freezer just a milimeter or so. The freezing mechanism turns on every hour or so, and it is enough to counter act the warmth entering the freezer through the slighhtly open door, and to keep frozen the ice in the ice trays. But every day I open the door by another milimeter or so. Eventually on day 30 or so, the freezing system cannot keep up with the warmth that the door lets in, and the ice inside starts melting. Every day still I continue opening the freezer door by a milimeter or so and the ice melts more and more. If I agree to stop opening the door, will the ice stop melting - of course not. Once the ice started melting at some degree of door opening, I have reached the point where the freezing system cannot keep up with the warmth entering and the start of melting. The only difference between continuing to open the door or keeping the door the same, is the pace of melting and the day when the last of ice will have melted. Melting is a certainty, "when" it is completed is the only uncertainty. Similarly, we have reached a concentration of atmospheric CO2 to retain enough heat to start the process of ice melting, as it is doing in the glaciers, the arctic, and permafrost. In the last 3+ decades, the artic has lost a million sq km every decade, and glaciers are disapearing. What mechanism would halt the process simply because we have stopped raising the atmospheric level of CO2? But we are not stopping. CO2 is increasing by 2 to 2.5 ppm every year. Even in 2020 during a global COVID lockdown, CO2 emissions continued at over 30 GT. 2022 emissions were at 36GT. By 2040, atmospheric CO2 will be at or over 450 ppm. This demonstrates my pessimism about the future of climate change. I think we have passed the point of no return about three decades ago, and I have not found any scientific explanation to counter my reasoning The only question in my mind is when will life start to feel intolerable.

[@gregwilvert]

Life has already begun to feel intolerable for many of the world’s people.

[@granitfog]

@@mikeharrison6638 My pessimism about human caused climate change (related to the burning of fossil fuels releasing what was once atmospheric CO2 at levels 1000- 3000 ppm 300-400 million years ago), is based on rational analysis. I have written the above analysis in several different venues and yet no one, layman or scientist, has written an evidence-based critique of it. Hope or fiction are not enough to conclude anything else.

[@Encephalitisify]

In about 20 years anywhere south of the 45 degrees longitude.

[@Encephalitisify]

@@gregwilvert we don’t believe that here in the United States. We think people are fleeing Central America and Mexico because they are all spongers. No one ever says the real reason.

[@granitfog]

@@Encephalitisify At 0.1 C per decade, I think it will take slightly longer for the manifestations to become significant. 30-50 years, but they are inevitable. 😞

[@Kbarboza94]

Thank you so much Miaya May ❤

[@michaelkhoo5846]

Great video, thank you!

[@benderisgreat95able]

There's always more factors at play in natural systems than we know. These changes will likely happen faster than even expert models upper projections.

[@Pistolita221]

They also didn't even mention methane hydrate, which has just as much methane to release.

[@AmeriMutt76]

@@Pistolita221 also didn't mention undersea methane just off-shore in the Arctic, also already melting/bubbling up.

[@LeoDomitrix]

We're past the point of no return. We're toast. The lack fo glboal agreement ot abandon fossil fuels (and that's EU too!), we're looking at a mass extinction. It's insane that we didn't start 40 years ago aggressively, but... People are stupid.

[@Scott-xx6ib]

If there are more factors at play than we understand, that doesn’t necessarily mean that all of them point towards faster warming. We selectively hear the news about the things that surprise us with faster warming because the alternative doesn’t get published in the popular media. You could still be right, but it’s a form of biased thinking to think that because we often hear about “faster than expected” surprises that this means that everything in climatology goes faster than expected.

[@Pistolita221]

@Scott I see you posting a lot about your FEELINGS but this is a scientific matter not picking your favorite color so unfortunately your feelings don't matter

[@npmerrill]

As the corporatist powers that be are aware, we’re in the midst of a polycrisis - multiple existential crises that spell certain doom for a large percentage of the global human population and most other life on the planet - any one of which is extremely problematic, but taken together serve as an indictment of those same people’s political influence, wanton greed and exorbitant lifestyle. It’s not left versus right anymore, if ever it was. It’s top versus bottom, and it’s high time to rise up or give up.

[@4peaceandharmony]

Thank you for this information.

[@fbkintanar]

Is there any recent research on subsea permafrost, underneath the continental shelves jutting into the Arctic sea? As that sea loses its multiyear sea ice and turns dark blue absorbing more heat from the sun, could there be thresholds met for emitting a lot of methane?

[@dougfairbanks8055]

Love your work & love that you are getting the message out there without glitz, glamour or hype. PBS on! But seriously thank you!

[@timelessnugget]

Another extremely warm winter and my parents are like "this is great, it's so nice out!" And I'm like "yes, it's almost as if it's *unnaturally* warm." Gods we're so f*cked.

[@CampingforCool41]

People loooove when it’s 40 degrees Fahrenheit in the middle of January but they are gonna be whining when it’s 110 degrees for two weeks straight in June.

[@kittimcconnell2633]

@@CampingforCool41 and they'll still be clueless

[@georgebailey3716]

Tragic conditions are emerging across the globe. You comment “we’re are so fucked” is dead on accurately. Most people don’t have a clue that this planet is not going to have any livable conditions by the year 2026. Way too many tipping points have happened and it will be visible later this year when the arctic is ice free. Some say it’s the BOE = blue ocean event, some say it’s “ beginning of the end “ sadly it’s not reverse able. It’s all doom and gloom and it’s only going to get worse and we humans are not going to like to read all about it. Worse still we are not going like mass extinction. We are going extinct because there are no habitat that will grow food. Or worse we will die because of ionizing radiation. I prefer starvation to death by ionizing radiation. Maybe too much on Saturday morning to take in.

[@worldprops333]

@@CampingforCool41 some people i know prefer 110 to 70 degrees

[@kasheem1747]

You mean naturally warm and that’s a wonderful thing only thing I need cold is my beer 🎉

[@tylermacdonald8924]

Already subbed but keep it coming please

[@pbsterra]

Thanks for the sub! We'll keep it up for sure.

[@jamesburge1983]

The tipping point has already been crossed. While it can be argued that, 'this or that COULD be done' the reality is that one must take into account the slow response time of humanity. As a result of the slow motion response, anything that 'can' be done will not be done or will be done too late.

[@dcyphyr]

We passed that point long ago

[@chevafootbrave7875]

Pass the perverted sex and sin of negro and catholic bigot racist hate groups

[@springbok4015]

Are you available for an interview?

[@theokroezen9259]

Just found this channel and I'm impressed by what I've seen up to this video.

[@LivingNow678]

Maybe you will be more impressed if you look at a) from a biologist Guy Mc Pherson Nature bats last at the edge of extinction only love remains b) from a geologist and geophysicist Elizaveta Khromova associated with Creative Society the first 30 minutes of the video 'our survival is in unity'

[@SolutionsWaterMinds-cy3hg]

Very informative. thanks for sharing

[@jonathaneffemey944]

Thanks for posting

[@clivemitchell3229]

Ice melting in a drink keeps its temperature down. Permafrost melting in the Arctic keeps the temperature down. Once the more easily-melted permafrost has gone, the temperature will go up more quickly.

[@StarLakeFarm]

You forgot to mention that the permafrost extends under the arctic ocean. It is melting and releasing methane.

[@billgoedecke2265]

Yes it’s odd that it wasn’t mentioned especially considering that much of the coastal seas are shallow since it used to be land. What happens if the sea ice all melts?

[@margiemartinson5767]

I was just in Alaska to see the glaciers. In Denali National Park some of the roads are closed because the permafrost under them melted and the roads have slumped.

[@bluegables]

When I was little, I remember the highest temperature in east China Summer was 28C, now can reach to 48C. What's 20C increase in 40 years. Look at Toronto, Canada this Winter, comparing to 20 years ago, at least 10C increase.

[@Pistolita221]

Right?! I think temps are warming a lot faster than the scientists are claiming.

[@iamdone7094]

sources used to reach those numbers?

[@nogreatreset8506]

How do you know it isn't thermomotor manipulation to make the temperature seem higher?

[@Pistolita221]

@@nogreatreset8506 You know that the rockefellers started BP, Shell, Chevron, Exxonmobil, AMOCO and ARAMCO, right?And the XX in ExxonMobil is the templar's cross. You're literally defending the WEF's interests. WAKE THE F UP!!!

[@camlinhall1363]

Yes, and since you posted that 52.2C recorded in China

[@EmilyJelassi]

Thank you for this information! I certainly hope that we can keep the global warming below these tipping points.. the alternative is a very hot world with even more unpredictable weather

[@philwilson609]

We don't think about geological time. The aims of the Paris Accords are irrelevant to the trajectory of mass extinction. We are befouling the atmosphere at a rate that is exponential compared with the end Permian - and we know how that ended.

[@jasonfirewalker3595]

I worry that no one is considering all the variables. These tipping points seem to be extrapolated from data relevant only to that particular tipping point. Given all the ways in which our biome is in trouble, death by a thousand cuts seems more likely than a single stab. Ocean acidification, wildfire, desertification, dry aquifers, loss of bees, amphibians and corals and on and on. I'm quite certain we"re looking at the end of civilization by 2050/75 at the latest. My government has started shooting down weather balloons and badmouthing China. I'm sure they'll grok the real threat any minute .

[@Vector_Ze]

By 2075, only psychotic Trumpian nutcases will be in denial.

[@kittimcconnell2633]

We can't even know all the variables, because this has never happened before. Earth has never had anthropogenic climate change happen. The closest comparison is a large meteorite strike.

[@macmcleod1188]

300 ft balloon carrying 120,000 lb payload the size of 3 city buses is not a weather balloon.

[@ElkwoodKeys]

I am relatively sure none of us, or any animal, will be here after 2030.

[@macmcleod1188]

@@ElkwoodKeys On what basis? Generic "animals" have survived much worse catastrophes. I think even humans will survive quite a bit as a species.

[@Tiago-]

Haha, this question was answered 13 years ago. We're 13 years past the tipping point. Good luck, everyone

[@DeborahRosen99]

Ummm... all three of those permafrost issues are already well documented. We've already crossed numerous tipping points, and we keep finding out that the various measurements we've set up as canaries to say "Ok, if it gets this far, we're in trouble" are already well past the threshold we thought was dangerous (witness Thwaites Glacier) by the time the measurements are taken and the observations made. Given the delay in gathering, interpreting, peer-reviewing and publishing scientific data, I'm reasonably certain we're already well over 1.5, possibly over 2', and on course for well over 3' global warming. We have screwed ourselves and future generations.

[@nerfherder4284]

It sells commercials on nature shows....

[@Pistolita221]

@@nerfherder4284 lmao, you think 'the market' likes green tech more than the Rosicrucian society that are today publicly known as the children of Standard Oil? You really think that politicians care more about some solar panel corporate CEO than they do about Halliburton and ExxonMobil? You think that the fossil fuel industry, who has board members in cabinet positions, and *100 billion IN PROFITS ALONE* are getting bullied by hippies in ty-dye? lmfao. BRUHHHHHHHHH CAPING FOR THE ROCKEFELLERS ACTING LIKE THAT'S REBELLION, your handlers must be SO proud.

[@olivere3941]

As a scientist I have to tell you that everything is technologically possible, from 8K/14.4°F to 0K/0°F compared to pre-industrial levels. The question is what is politically and sociologically feasible. (and no, we wouldn't need to live like in the 1800s to keep global warming at 0K/0°F)

[@reee_4067]

It is impossible when you have bible-based leaders who opposed anything scientific that contradicts their bible

[@rocksfire4390]

@@reee_4067 more the voters that elects them that is the problem, the leaders are just punching bags but punching them doesn't actually do anything. until the masses stop believing in bullshit, nothing will happen. i see no change in voters positions, most are ignorant and/or lazy. humans love, ever so much, to self-destruct.

[@Red-Brick-Dream]

An actual "scientist" would have qualified their expertise (which, for any given scientist, is _extremely_ narrow). You have not.

[@Yolandasfridge]

this is completely unrelated, but can I just say, your hair is gorgeous!

[@teachnaduinn3134]

We were at the tipping point years ago the way I calculate the tipping point is the amount of energy from past biospheres we have pumped into the current atmosphere from carbon, my first calculation when I realized this was 5 biospheres and that was in the 90s when I first started learning about our environment. It is people still have not understood his.

[@ADreamingTraveler]

Using 30 year averages my town in PA has gone up 2 degrees every 10 years. 1980-2010 average our July high was 86 degrees F. Now using 1990-2020 it's 88 F

[@aland5478]

Paul B was talking about the next El Nino started up this summer. If it is super 2024 could see 1.5 temps for the first time. This 10% increase in warming for the feed back up north could be way off. We could see a degree or more of warming in a mater of years.

[@jeffmcdonald101]

Thank Terra and Maya for the great vid. I read about permafrost and other traps like methane clathrates around 12 years ago. Sure seems like it is bound to be released eventually if the climate continues on its current trajectory.

[@fabiengerard8142]

…. ‘’IF’’ ?!?!? 🤔

[@JoepertN]

I really love the voice of the presenter, could listen to her talk all day! Great Video, really intersting

[@mikesweaney2227]

I really enjoy these videos and always learn. I have hearing problems and the (unnecessary) background music causes compitition for those of us with degraded hearing. Thanks.

[@thomaslubben8559]

Sociologically, we passed it a long time ago. Unfortunately.

[@heather4950]

Great video folks! A note that Herschel Island is in the Yukon (Canada), not Alaska (USA).

[@ginaslevinsky8906]

Yay someone else pointed that out so I didn't have to

[@tomgrantham9992]

Very interesting and very scary!!! Great reporting.

[@Sebabasse]

Do the temperature thresholds (for each permafrost melting level) are a the global or a the regional level? (Cause if it's at the regional level, given that warming is more intense around North pole, it feels like we are f***ed up...)

[@tobybartlett]

That was a well researched and presented video. Short enough that hopefully people’s limited attention spans will watch it, and maybe make cause people to make some slight changes to how they live to avoid their grandchildren from living in a near uninhabitable world.

[@pbsterra]

Thanks! What else would you like to see episodes about on this channel?

[@TaShaBeNz85]

@@pbsterra it’d be interesting to learn about Earth’s vibrational frequency.. and the geomagnetic field

[@tobybartlett]

@@pbsterra I would love an episode (though it may be too controversial) about how to have a discussion with a friend or family member who doesn’t think that climate change is a big deal. Finding a way to have a respectful dialogue about climate change and getting people we know to care would be helpful. I hear this so often from friends. “You’re overreacting.” Or “Prove it.” Or “Here’s a contradiction proving that there isn’t a climate crisis.” I think change begins at home, and if we can explain this crisis to our parents and our friends that leads to actual change, that will turn into a big change that could help us all. Waiting for the UN to fix things, or large corporations has clearly not worked. We have to make millions of small changes, and educating those around us seems the best (but challenging) way to start.

[@kathysmith6413]

but by some of the worst offenders this is a Chinese conspiracy and not a real thing

[@Chroogomphus]

@@tobybartlett anyone still in denial at this point is likely incapable of independent thought and will likely just echo whatever political and corporate climate denial propaganda until the end, but good luck though its worth a try.

[@geoffreykeating8172]

Facts & numbers are necessary , human nature needs to be considered too , I'm surprised how little individuals are willing to do to change their behavior to avoid worse case scenario

[@toyotaprius79]

Who? Your grown up manchild who races lifted trucks? Or the persons who explicitly own, represent and protect the most responsible and polluting industries? The saboteurs of our future

[@tobybartlett]

💯

[@gingerpickett6958]

Yeah, humans aren’t really wired to comprehend a slow acting crisis that will mostly just affect their kids and people in high risk/low income areas. We’re going to have to do more than ask people to change their lifestyles. If we really want them to live without emissions, we’ll have to put all our effort into making that as easy for them as possible.

[@RichardMiller-tq6ut]

What do you mean? What people are you referring to? What behavior have you changed exactly?

[@GordonGrahamPapaBear]

Perhaps they understand that nothing has been invented that will save them from "the Poisoning of the Planet," 6th Mass Extinction, or the First Extermination?

[@cbfarber5064]

The issues related to sea level rise have not yet been considered in the equation. 4 feet of sea level rise submerges totally the Florida Keys, but according to some authorities 18 inches will make Miami International Airport non functional ( It was built in an area once considered Everglades which was drained ) The last time all ice melted , except for islands that make up the Lake Wales Ridge, all of Florida south of the Gainesville area was underwater. The last time all global ice melted sea level was at least 100 feet higher. My highly respected professor of Environmental Science had told me 20 years ago that if PPM atmospheric CO2 levels rose above around 360, our goose was “cooked”. Well, it is now over 400 and still rising. The big question is how fast will the melting affect ice stability in Antarctica. The fracturing of the Thwaites ice shelf will raise sea level almost immediately an estimated 4 feet.

[@pedromarrero]

Today's levels of CO2 are 426.69 .

[@Herkimer_Snerd]

Unfortunately nothing significant will be done until it's too late. It's very probable that it is already too late.

[@pedromarrero]

It is.

[@denderrant]

Fantastic video. A sequel exploring the potential use of megafauna to mitigate this threat, as pioneered by the folks at Pleistocene Park, would be amazing. This is the biggest ecological argument in favor of cloning the wooly mammoth, so they can help maintain this system again.

[@dnomyarnostaw]

You have to be trolling? Does anyone seriously think reviving an ice age animal would revert the world climate?

[@reee_4067]

Imagine tons of mammoth poop creating more greenhouse gas lol

[@denderrant]

@@dnomyarnostaw Oh, haha, I guess it does sound funny - sorry! But no, this is an actual thing. It's a little more complicated than I could type out in a comment. Here's a video that explains it much better than I could hope to: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iImkmqWbo9mYiKM

[@ISureDont]

We took over the ecological niche for megafauna but our population ran away

[@fangsupply]

I recommend the documentary Pleistocene Park. It follows a man and his family in Russia, who run a wildlife park with the goal of restoring an animal population similar to the one that has historically lived in the Siberian steppe. These animals help regulate the environment by keeping the brush low, which lowers the temperature of the ground.

[@trstquint7114]

I assume you are referring to the great work of Professor Sergey Zimov and his son Nikita. It is astonishing how little they are listened to. It stays small until it's too late. And in fact, it is already too late. His proven effect of grazing snowy tundra can only save the world when his practice is applied on a massive scale. That means forming herds of many millions of large grazers such as bison. Those numbers are no longer there.

[@missiclark4009]

According to my info, the next 2 years, due to the El Nino that is coming this year, are quite possibly going to be our hottest ever. If that's the case, we more likely than not , will exceed the 1.5c degree change . That makes the claim of this tipping point being far off , very possibly and probably incorrect. That frightens me.

[@iamdone7094]

lol

[@pedromarrero]

You are right. We have passed 1.5 . There's no going back. Yeah.

[@anisotropicplus]

Great video! Your climate change videos should be part of school science lessons and should be mandatory for congress to watch. Good job!

[@camlinhall1363]

Agreed. And then tell the children in the school to work and study hard for their great future. Errm....

[@drunkpterodactyl]

Great video as always. Interesting if not depressing and you guys always do a great job. Side note: Maiya I love how you have a different hair style in every video lol. You always look great!

[@maiyamay_]

HAHA thanks! Gotta keep you guys on your toes 🕺🏽😂

[@teleskees]

Great video. Thinking that this type of catastrophic warming is far in the future is short sighted. The thing that is impossible to predict are the wildcards. Things outside of our control that amplify the warming, even if only temporarily. As an example, the underwater Tonga Eruption. Something like this could be the temporary catalyst that kicks starts the domino chain.

[@RichardMiller-tq6ut]

Has it ever been this warm before?

[@zoeherriot]

@@RichardMiller-tq6ut Oh it's been way warmer. But not during the period humans, or the food we eat was evolving.

[@GordonGrahamPapaBear]

Those dominoes have already begun to fall. That became inevitable when we exceeded 350 ppm of atmospheric CO² (in the mid 90's.)

[@kittimcconnell2633]

@@RichardMiller-tq6ut not while humans existed

[@zoeherriot]

@@ripzzzz the chances of that happening in the next thousand years are vanishingly small.

[@hlubilindiwe-797]

When did he start doing the research?

[@AliceinWonderlandzz]

We are in for a major El Nino event which means hotter temperatures and major fires. I expect vast portions of the forest biome to burn this summer. Fires in the carbon mat as the permafrost melts will also be an issue.

[@MeissnerEffect]

Brilliantly presented, sadly received 🦋

[@charlesstevensEnki]

In other words we're screwed ourselves.

[@stevenparker8076]

What will be the CO2 concentration to cause that?

[@AnonAdept]

I think what is really scary and no one is talking about is the momentum or inertia of the planets climate. Anything so large is going to take long periods to start changing and will continue changing when/if we bring conditioning back towards the preindustrial levels. Also the ocean has been absorbing large amounts of co2 and sea ice has been absorbing large amounts of heat but both of these 'braking' systems will be greatly reduced within 20 years.

[@majnuker]

Yes collapse of the AMOC, carbon sequestration, pollution, ocean acidification, all of these factors are accelerating and contributing. Our planet remains habitable due to a delicate balance between atmospheric composition, temperature, and natural resources. All of these are leveraging in a bad direction right now and as you say, the inertia feeds into itself. These natural systems can course correct to a certain extent but it takes millions of years. I am thoroughly concerned about our immediate future.

[@AnonAdept]

@@majnuker you got at least 10-20 years before the bottom falls out. But once it does it's gonna be scary. Police states starvation and societal collapse. If we're lucky enough not to have some ruler start rockin nukes.

[@DAILG_2024]

This information has been around for many years and people did not even give it the time of day years ago because they thought other tipping points were more impactful. It is my opinion that this could be the biggest potential tipping point, and if we hit it there will be detrimental impacts around the world. I hope we as a planet are able to improve on the work we have done to decrease warming. There are positives here for sure and if we can keep up the momentum who knows what the world can do. 2022 was my year to make a difference on a personal level and managed to reduce my house in Canada from a energy rating of 133GJ to 36GJ. This is the first step in my plan to get to energy neutral, so I can be part of the solution and not the problem. Everyone needs to do their part. Even little things can make a difference. Keep up the good work on bringing these issues to the forefront.

[@erwin643]

Yes, this info has been around for years, but suppressed, in order to not create a panic. When we reach that tipping point, that's the end of our civilization. The best thing people can do right now isn't being an eco do-gooder. That's not going top accomplish anything. It's adaptation. People need to start moving north, not south. Away from coasts. Start providing the means of your own existence: Food, water, energy.

[@merleshand2442]

Like everything else the media tells you it's bullshit to keep you distracted from important things

[@merleshand2442]

@@erwin643 the ice caps aren't melting sea levels haven't changed there was a report from 1922 in Norway that said the ice caps would be gone in 5 years. Do you think Obama would buy a 20 million dollar mansion on the beach if he really thought it would be underwater soon? Or that these mega banks would lend all this money to build beach communities if they thought they would lose their investments? And why aren't they talking about blowing up Nord Stream or what happened in Ohio or Michigan? Because it's all bullshit and when something real happens they prove they don't have a clue how to fix it

[@larrygalbreath]

Every little bit does help, but things that individual citizens can accomplish would be just a drop in the bucket. Only our Creator can help us at this point.

[@Mokawoo]

Wouldn’t I’d be nice to just start how we did form the beginning no carbon fuels.meaning stoping factories cars and anything that Amit’s carbon. We could just be riding horses and just do things back in the 1800s I think it would be so much more fun and just i don’t healthy for the planet

[@1969kodiakbear]

Tipping point. By the way, I have difficulty communicating because I had a stroke in Broca’s area, the part of the brain that controls speech. 2/8/2021 but I lived again. (My wife helped me compose this.)

[@platinumpig]

Where can I get those tusks at ?

[@preciousmousse]

I think measures will be taken slower than necessary due to changes needing time to adapt (that have been delayed for decades), but that in case of emergency measures will be taken similar to what happened during covid.

[@grindupBaker]

Maybe, Maybe not.

[@nyralotep]

As long as America has a huge group of science deniers, forward progress in America is going to be difficult. Couple that with capitalism that cares more about today and tomorrow than 40 years off, well it's going to be a shit show unfortunately.

[@BarderBetterFasterStronger]

Money owns the government and news, and the government sets education standards. There is no path to resolving this issue.

[@philliplamoureux9489]

It's not a long way into the future. Everything is happening faster than predicted, no reason to expect this to be different

[@keepmoving1185]

Well done

[@zachio69]

can we harvest the methane and use it?

[@honouryourvomit]

it doesn't matter anymore because of the aerosol masking effect. there's no fixing this problem.

[@pb8601]

Also known as “the McPherson effect”. I get my climate information from a source that has no conflict of interest issues (Guy McPherson).The fact that PBS (pentagon BS?) spins this as we can still fix this doesn’t surprise me, but the fact they are even acknowledging it as a potentially grave situation speaks volumes.

[@ShadowZephyr326]

Doomer boomer

[@pb8601]

@@ShadowZephyr326 Guilty as charged, so I probably won’t be around when the diarrhea hits the fan (terminal overshoot) and the deniers/ostriches are running around screaming “HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?”

[@brentsummers7377]

When you look at the storms and floods in the last year at only 1.2 degrees c of warming, God help us if it gets to 2 degrees let alone 3 degrees of warming.

[@OldJackWolf]

I hate to mention this, but I first read about the temp increases in the subsoil permfrost in the soil journals in the 90s.

[@resilientfarmsanddesignstu1702]

The question is not how many mammoth tusks that we will find but rather how many human skeletons that some future species will find as a consequence of our own selfishness and complacency.

[@gingerpickett6958]

For anyone who doesn’t know yet, Fridays for Future has announced a global climate strike on Friday, March 3, 2023

[@RichardMiller-tq6ut]

Climate strike? What exactly is that?

[@Mike80528]

If we survive to 3.0 degrees, whomever is left will have bigger concerns.

[@fractalnomics]

Do you have any solutions to the global (industrial) CO2 shortage? It is of huge concern.

[@nerfherder4284]

Our climate temperature goals are based on global average temperatures. Since the arctic region is warming faster on average (some studies find temperature increases of 4-5 degress already) this scenario is sooner than later.

[@14kchang]

It's like having a chicken in your freezer. You take the chicken out and let it defrost on the counter and you go away for the weekend, but then you forgot about the chicken left on the counter. When you come home, the chicken has decomposed and the whole house smells.

[@patusoro4781]

You're very right, it's the circle of life. The food we eat used to be a plant that grew in dirt. The dirt used to be a plant or animal before it decomposed. When you freeze the chicken you stop the circle of life and eventually all the dirt (aka: CO2) is used up and then nothing can grow. Don't take my word for it, check out how close we came to 150ppm of CO2. It's not good. "... would have continued to decline until CO2 approached the threshold of 150 ppm below which plants begin first to starve, then stop growing altogether, and then die. Not just woody plants but all plants. This would bring about the extinction of most, if not all, terrestrial species, as animals, insects, and other invertebrates starved for lack of food. And that would be that. The human species would never have existed. This was merely the first time that there was a distinct possibility that life would come close to extinguishing itself due to a shortage of CO2."

[@DistinctiveBlend]

@@patusoro4781 Ha well someone has to play the contrarian.. but we're not at risk of running low on CO2 so your post is fairly moot.

[@markfomenko8873]

Making compost correctly causes it to become hot not simply warm. The heat kills weed seeds when done right. Good luck stopping the thawing.

[@cbbcbb6803]

Could the methane be used some how?

[@blakespower]

doesnt C02 have to be 80 kilometers high to have any effect for global warming?

[@davestagner]

Countless people (including countless “experts” in the media) emphasize the rosy scenarios… “What if it’s not as bad as we fear?” Well, what if it’s WORSE?

[@mattbear4802]

+1

[@Red-Brick-Dream]

It's worse. It's _always_ worse. Their billionaire handlers won't let them tell us the truth.

[@ronkirk5099]

I paddled the Mackenzie R. in N. Canada from the Great Slave L. to the Arctic ocean and saw thawing permafrost in many places along the shore and further inland away from the river. If we don't start taking CO2 emissions seriously in the developed countries, it could be game over for life as we know it.

[@pbsterra]

You did? That sounds like an amazing trip. I've dreamed of doing it for a long time after paddling whitewater on the Slave River near Fort Smith. I have questions. Send me a DM? [e-mail]

[@ecurewitz]

The game is already over. We lost. Climate change is inevitable

[@RichardMiller-tq6ut]

I think plants love the co2. They seem to enjoy warmth as well

[@RichardMiller-tq6ut]

@@volkerengels5298 too much for what?

[@RichardMiller-tq6ut]

@@volkerengels5298 too much co2 to be good for plants? Wow. Greenhouse owners are wasting millions on pumping more into their greenhouses. Better tell them so they quit wasting all that money. Also, surely you can find better indoctrination than that. I understand why you are resistant to independent thought

[@antoniolittera2154]

We were taught in school about the permafrost tipping points and that was in the 80’s.

[@maissara1264]

Thanks