Is Piracy Over?

[@makatron]

Let's see what moves faster: - Government Bureaucracy - Piracy

[@nobro790]

A pigeon delivering a usb filled with pirated movies across 2 continents still moves faster than government bureaucracy 🤣🤣🤣

[@the_undead]

46:40 Just leaving this here so it's easy to find

[@Spazza42]

Easy. Piracy.

[@TheeSinnerman]

We're all trying to find the One Piece which is just a way to Watch TV and shows in the most convenient, cheapest way possible.

[@whitehavencpu6813]

Short answer: No Long answer: Hell No

[@Thunderstryk]

🏴‍☠

[@yyny0]

Pirate answer: NAY

[@Forbe.]

@@yyny0 narr

[@TechnoMinded-qp5in]

Yar har, fiddle de dee Being a pirate is alright with me! Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free You are a pirate! Ar yar, ahoy and avast Dinky-dink-dink-a-dinkadefast! Hang the black flag at the end of the mast! You are a pirate!

[@AlistairGale]

Arrr, copyright holders ain’t going after AI , just the little guy. I had some sympathy but no more.

[@Voltaic_Fire]

Remember that piracy is a result of poor service, poor quality, and poor pricing. I've spent a LOT on games because Steam and GOG make it so easy to find and buy.

[@Flyon86]

Some games are literally only available through torrents now too. I'd gladly buy Driver San Francisco or Freelancer (2003) if they were available through steam or GoG.

[@rakdosrok5816]

@@Flyon86 Man I never thought I'd see another fellow Freelancer. One of my favorite games growing up. I got it running on my linux box and still play it from time to time.

[@DemonaeTV]

I can't even remember the last time I pirated a game. At least a decade. Steam has really good sales often enough that I can just wait a year or two on some game to be $10 with all DLC that would have cost over a $100 when it launched.

[@Aereto]

And Ubisoft is asking for their every published game to be pirated

[@XVa-uj8m]

I hope they aren't stupid enough to try going after rom sites here.

[@cIappo896]

1) people who pirate usually don't ever intend to pay anyways 2) it can't be defeated 3) piracy isn't stealing because buying isn't owning.

[@AuthenticGadzooks]

Amen to point #1. I buy maybe only 1-2 games a year because they offer something unique and fun. All the other games I play are pirated mostly because I don't really care about them that much. I also have the chronic habit of not finishing games, so shelling out $60 to only play between 10-20 hours is a waste of money in my opinion. I'm far more likely to wait for them to go on sale (with like 50% or 70% discounts). I'm very patient about playing games. If it weren't for piracy then I would simply not play most games or I would seek out sales / cheaper games that don't break the bank. Also, $60 (or rather 60€ because screw Europeans) is a lot of money where I'm from. The median salary where I live is like 1/5 that of the US. It's completely ridiculous that this price point has become the norm.

[@AbdullahYasser3]

My father makes 200 usd who is in a well paying job in my country so how do you expect me to pay 60 dollars for a game The reason i bought minecraft and allthe games i own is regional pricing. Minecraft here costs 265 of my currency which is 5.25 usd

[@H4GRlD]

I don't have any issues with buying software, on the other hand I hate renting software. In the second scenario I usually try to look for free / paid alternatives, if there's no viable option, well..

[@suryavalluri3894]

Not actually the case for example I'm from India and I started playing games because of piracy cuz steam was not there and no online store and access to games was only through piracy. And after steam came also it was not easy to buy a new game even today costs around 10-30% of an avarage monthly income of a person even today the only reason I have gta 5 is because epic games gave it for a week when I got it and I still buy games but like one game in like 2-3 months if I have to play anything I'll look at free options which epic games gives every week or use an emulator with roms the prices of games being so high is pretty difficult especially a sale for a lower price will not cause the company to lose money as it's just a file so it just leaves a bad taste

[@yellowblanka6058]

While I don’t condone piracy for contemporary titles, I can understand and sympathize people pirating games that would cost them a month’s salary in their local currency, I have less understanding for middle class first-world people with $1000+ GPUs pirating, but even in that case, it’s unlikely piracy being a non-option would instantly convert to a sale. If they want more people to purchase their media they have to make it worth buying, convenient and reasonably priced with out excessive, expensive DLC.

[@LCaddyStudios]

Something many people don’t actually know is that right before Tom Scott took a NordVPN sponsorship he did also briefly release a video saying “don’t trust our sponsors”

[@he8535]

Time for Tor Browser to rise

[@flaming_ace]

he also had a whole video breaking down vpns which was gonna be a vpn sponsorship, but the company pulled out. tbh had the company stuck with the advertisement being him explaining all the false advertising, rather than pulling out, i wouldve immediately become a diehard supporter of that company, cause that wouldve shown they are confident AND honest. instead they pulled out and missed a ton of revenue as we will never know which it was, but i get the feeling its cause they were pushing these false selling points for their vpn, and wouldve had a controversy around it

[@flaming_ace]

ah i commented before 25:00 where they talk about that, but they didnt mention the fact it was created originally as a sponsorship, which he then turned into a full educational video. tom did the right thing there, where he explained it, and if i remember correctly (could be wrong should check before believing me) he even called back to that video with at least one vpn sponsorship

[@cheeseisgreat24]

TBH the best way to destroy piracy is reduce the studio’s profits and stop going after infinite profit growth, so you can make content cheaper and more accessible. That would absolutely destroy piracy. Netflix literally almost killed piracy when it first came out, because you could literally get everything you wanted to watch in one place for an affordable price. Nobody wants to pirate things if they don’t *have* to because it’s Janky AF.

[@eggyparrot3844]

Yeah but the only reason old Netflix could have basically everything at an affordable price was that it was trying to scale, and losing money while it did. Going after infinite growth, as you said. Good movies and series can't be made without people paying for them, and a ~$10/month subscription for everything under then sun just cant fund the type of big expensive productions or medium sized niche films that were common before streaming

[@ClayKBFP]

I didn’t pirate and paid for Hulu and used my Parents Netflix Now I would need my own Crunchy Roll, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Stars, and HBO on top of a $70 internet bill. I’ll pay for a subscription if I like a show and am watching it while it’s coming out but $75-90 a month in subscriptions is absurd.

[@dankrigby5621]

@@eggyparrot3844 good movies and games could be made with way less money, and that was the case some years ago. the problem is that higher ups and suits take most of the cuts, while the devs put in all the important work. then there are way bigger marketing costs that most of the time arent really that necessary, and bad decisions by people on the board that dont even understand the product they are directing, since they arent working on it and arent in any way invested in it, other than seeing green numbers.

[@DefaultMale_]

Brazil pirates games more than any other country. That's because games in Brazil cost so much it's like spending £/$300 on a game - it doesn't make sense to pay for them. That's why you should localise prices.

[@cheeseisgreat24]

@@eggyparrot3844 It absolutely can though. The only thing that has to happen is big budget productions need less influence from the bean counters so that the productions are actually good and therefore remain profitable. Notice how Netflix created some excellent shows that they cancelled because they didn’t increase subscriptions. They were still making loads of money on the production, they just didn’t like that they couldn’t instantly increase their profit instead of merely making money on it.

[@Anders0429]

Movie tickets at my local theatre are $22 per person. Piracy existing or not, there is no way I'm going to take my family to see any movie for that price.

[@svpracer98]

22 per person, assuming a family of 4, is quite literally 4 months of 4k hdr Netflix.

[@Illiminator31]

Rent, Wage for the Staff, Insurance, Cleaning Crews. What would be ur Solution to cut down prices? Reduce Staff wages?

[@User-gx2cp]

There is no solution for a dying industry. Movie theatres are kinda dated basically. If people aren't willing to pay the price, then the company either lowers them or shuts down. Crazy that movie theatres are still around. Paying money to share a crowded room with people? When you can for the same price rent a movie on your own HD Tv, or hell go to your friends place with a better Tv. Coordinate a fun movie night with some nice food with a group you know. What my family does, my uncle and grandma come over every friday to watch a movies or tv with my dad. Only reason my dad goes to movie theatres is to see a marvel movie that came out in theatres before the average consumer can. Wow actually to think that is kinda of a sad reasons movie threatres only exist, because they get access to movies a bit sooner. Which I think has recently changed a lot since streaming so yeah, just not really a point to theatres.

[@hexitcz]

In my country(europian country) it costs around 20-30 usd for vip movie ticket with infinite popcorn and other refreshments and a very comfy adjustable seats with armrests xd.

[@polarpenguin3]

​@Illiminator31 Most theaters make their profit off of concessions, not ticket prices. Some theaters have shown they can make more money by selling cheaper tickets and making the difference up with more concessions.

[@ShadowTheHellJumper]

The fact that the CEO of the MPA is trying to convince people that pirated movies are the direct cause of layoffs as opposed to their greed and need to keep costs down is a colossal joke...

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Ding ding ding! We have a correct answer, and not enough other people saying it 👍

[@JessicaFEREM]

the employees: layed off by the thousands the ceo: millions of dollars annual salary raise

[@luandoduy416]

Yes, millions of dollars lost. It's lost because it's not in their pockets

[@God__Emperor_]

But they are not keeping cost down. Almost every movie now has 300 million dollar budgets. Shows cost millions per episode.

[@maxwellrobertson4831]

​@@ivoryowl Not very relevant to the meat of your comment, but I like seeing unique phrasal combinations in the wild, like "milk and dime". As far as I'm aware this is the first time I've seen someone combine milk(ing) in the sense of extracting money or other resources from customers with "nickel and dime"-ing (in the sense of getting all the money you can out of someone, down to exact change). I think it's a fun combo and it works fairly well.

[@jersydvl]

Is piracy over? No. as long as companies continue to not allow you to own your purchase piracy will continue and rightfully so.

[@CoryRayGordonMusic]

Antipiracy ad of the 90's: You wouldn't steal a car! 10 year old me: You can't download a car.

[@lck0ut348]

Sim racing enthusiasts: "Hold my beer"

[@postmodernmining]

Weird Al's Don't Download This Song

[@Cuunke]

i for for sure would download a Corvette if i could right now off Piratebay

[@_PatrickO]

Back in the 90s, you had to go to the library and "pick up" cars out front.

[@GearSounds]

So the ability to download something makes theft okay. Seems like a solid argument... 🤣. So once food and money are downloadable they are fair game too right by your argument?

[@MitchDenham]

They tried this in Australia. It cost a metric-fuck-tonne. And was defeated by changing your DNS.

[@Roxor128]

Unfortunately, Telstra's routers don't let you change the DNS for the whole network, so you have to take the annoying option and do each device individually.

[@LolSho0orTs]

@@Roxor128 use pi hole as dns and dhcp

[@Roxor128]

@@LolSho0orTs Can't do network-wide PiHole if you can't reconfigure the router to point to the Pi. Still have to individually reconfigure every device.

[@LolSho0orTs]

@@Roxor128 you can't turn off DHCP on the router too wth ?

[@Roxor128]

@@LolSho0orTs Nope. Stupid thing won't let you change anything important. Telstra clearly want to minimise the possible avenues for customers to have reasons to call tech-support.

[@GregOughton]

If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

[@FurryestX]

F A C T S

[@zonzore]

So original but i love it!

[@ultimategotea]

Piracy never was stealing, just copyright infringement.

[@thegreenxeno9430]

I downloaded a car recently.

[@U9DATE]

I was expecting to see the same copy paste comment. Even if it’s completely true

[@lezlienewlands1337]

"Is Piracy Over?" Gabe Newell: "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."

[@yumri4]

yep and thus why steam took off it had the same business model as piracy but for little cost which for most games is the cost of paying for a VPN and their data plan anyways. The 70 USD games yeah those are more than the cost but the convenience of it is still there. The problem the theaters are having is everyone in the USA was told to not go to them for 3 years straight so people got out of the habit of going to them. When told they could again even less people returned and the theaters had to provide something having it on blu-ray and/or streaming it will not do.

[@joaocardoletto]

I really wish movie studios had followed the Steam model instead of this bullshit thing of 25 streaming services with ever increasing anti consumer practices. I would gladly pay for content I actually care to watch, instead of having a vertical slice of every genre produced by each studio.

[@mysteriousm1]

Gospel from our lord and saviour

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

The most important thing to remember about piracy... is that people pay for pirate streaming sites. Something tells me people willing to pay a piracy site don't have a problem paying for a legit service.

[@marciusnhasty]

​@@SherrifOfNottingham Likelihood is that most of those people get content from all streaming services in one place and they are paying for convince IP holders aren't providing. Movies and shows don't need complex porting process like platform exclusive games and it's making it hard to enforce something being exclusive to any single streaming service.

[@Jaxar20]

NZ has a three strike rule. ISP's pushed back saying hey this will incur us costs to process all these requests. This was taken into account and the law requires the rights holder to pay $20 NZ for each request. It essentially makes the cost of pursuing piracy higher than the cost of the actual piracy.

[@cashnelson2306]

based

[@aviation_hacker]

@Jaxar20 I'm in NZ as well, and always wondered why the three strikes essentially was never enforced - thanks for the info! :)

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

Giving the power to a judge to block a site? I don't see how that won't be misused at all.

[@rickardstrom9305]

That will be abused for sure. Politics, extortion, competition, corruption. etc., will ensure it.

[@DarthMeh117]

I can definitely see bot farms being used to upload pirated media to flag sites that the government doesn’t want running anymore so they can flag them for national ban.

[@lockinhinddanger934]

@rickardstrom9305 impossible improbable indiscriminable look at this picture of chewbaca does this look like a wookie?...

[@imoldgregg8]

Let me tell you something. Broke guys who get drunk and high in their 20s and cant afford video games will ALWAYS find a way.

[@rawwrrob9395]

They probably wouldn't be broke and could afford games (and other commodities) if they weren't blowing so much cash on booze and weed. That stuff isn't cheap and people rarely pay attention to how much they spend on it.

[@wongalahara8196]

​@@rawwrrob9395 (that's why he said 20s)

[@lukabrdar6732]

​@@rawwrrob9395I pirated as a kid,nowdays i would buy games but dont have time to play so it doesnt matter,no company gets my money

[@Nick-jt1if]

@@rawwrrob9395I don’t blow my money out I’m just saving it for a motorcycle 😂😂

[@ben.faerber]

​@@rawwrrob9395well you can't pirate booze...

[@vogonp4287]

Sometimes there's a series that is just taken off streaming services, and essentially erased from existence. There's no way to access it anymore other than piracy. No way to pay for it legally.

[@ronniekregar3482]

Yyyup, that's true

[@razrv3lc]

Most Metroid Prime games rn

[@ghnbtrcv8672]

True, hail piracy

[@JohnnyTurnerMusic]

Im in the UK and literally can't find a Legal way to re-watch King of The Hill.

[@roflstomp9836]

Its the Gaben Quote. "piracy is a service problem" i will pay for it when that is the more convenient option

[@roflstomp9836]

And that's not to say that i dont pay for it now. But if there is a chance that I will lose access, I'm going to take mesures against that

[@Zack_Wester]

@@roflstomp9836dont also forget that if you bought the product you got the worse version. anyone remember when Pirated copies of game ran faster ran better and did not cause masive security issues on users PC. because installing Rootkits on peoples PC when they install a game they paid for and need a CD/DVD to run. is completly legal and there is no du diligent on the rootkit aka it was so badly written that after like a day someone had figured out a way to hack any PC that had put the CD/DVD into the computer drive (the rotkit was installed at that point even before the user had seen the license agreement that did not even mention the rootkit) it was worse if you had somehow manage to get that ting to run on the more advance CD player stuff as that would just brick it permanently).... this was after the redbook CD audio on the other half of the game CD days. what was the order that the game devs/publisher was ordered to do. post a note on there site (that they hid really well no post on there social media or on the games news uppdate system about this. and a link to download a rootkit uninstaller several months after the game was out that requires that user gave them a Email address that expicided was stated would be shared by third parties (hope you gave them a burner Email because if you did not well hello even more spam).... also the uninstaller was so shit that anti virus would complain 3 times over on it, first over that the fact that the signatures was both outdated and missing. then the fact how it removes them was written in the worst way possible aka it trigger the any antivirus in existence because that is not how your supposed to do it since late windows 2000, there was more but I dont recall what clown show number that was so I will just mention that there was more. meanwhile the pirated copy perfectly fine you could install and remove the game and there was zero crap left after. the paid DVD oh the amount of junk was insane it was so bad that some other game would have problem getting instaled because of how shit the official installer/uninstaller was. the only positive thing was that it did not brick the system no mater where you installed it... something some old win95 game had (example I think some version of Casar 3 where if you for some reason installed it in C:/Ceasar3 would nuke the whole C drive.

[@yuvalne]

+

[@bumblebeegamerreal]

While some people say he is refering to Russia specifically, it still applies to other things

[@roflstomp9836]

@@bumblebeegamerreal Russians are people just like the rest of us. its a no brainer to assume we will behave similarly

[@courtlandbrugger6770]

companies showing utter disdain for their customers doesn't exactly make their customers feel like going out and buying their product. Piracy will never go away and my wallet will stay closed to any company that hates me or will not allow me to own what I buy.

[@ThatRandomDude914]

You don’t get to block a website. You can’t revoke an IP address

[@Mattimator]

You know what causes actual job loss? Corporate greed.

[@haraldbackfisch1981]

Can't repeat that enough!

[@Unethical.FandubsGames]

I love when they claim that piracy causes job loss. Pirates weren't going to buy the shit to begin with. That's why they went and looked for a pirate option.

[@Rob_Cahill]

@@Unethical.FandubsGames OR when they believe people who use those sites are actual lost customers. Most who use those sites either wouldn't buy the product or cant afford to. I'd give room for some might but most likely cant.

[@kiloneie]

@@Unethical.FandubsGames And if they like that thing, they might buy it in the future, resulting in actually more sales than without it. But hey, we all know how smart these companies are.

[@SmokeBloody]

They call it "optimization"

[@waylonjackson1769]

Remember when things like Spotify came out and pretty much killed music piracy? It because it's affordable and convenient. All these companies need to do is make their content affordable and convenient, and when streaming turned back into cable, with all the different services breaking out and spreading the content out everywhere, you see a rise in piracy.

[@goliathus8815]

this is actually such a good point, i literally can't remember the last time i pirated a song because i just use youtube music.

[@oari1150]

The problem is that you can't just make content affordable. Spotify is famously still not profitable while musicians complain that spotify is paying them jack shit for the number play they get. And the funniest thing is that people still yet complain that $10 dollars a month is just too much. Why pay at all when you can get it for free, right?

[@joaoph9391]

When Netflix came, I pretty much stopped pirating. Now it's easier to pirate a movie than to find in which streaming provider it's available. For a good series I usually try to get the streaming to help keep the episode count across devices

[@rkhale02]

I don't necessarilly know if that is the answer, because things like Gamepass are super convenient and affordable and allow you to essentially play the games you want when they come out and throw out the old - the difference being that many gamers want to OWN their products and not have them taken from them under stupid circumstances.

[@NoOne-ye5jf]

But music streaming is famously not profitable yet while they continue to pay the artists less and less. People are just so depleted of dopamine no piece of media is good enough to pay what it costs.

[@speadskater]

There would be less piracy if public domain stayed at 28 years from creation.

[@oari1150]

how?

[@jevans3375]

@@oari1150things like old video games where you literally can’t even buy those games anymore. In the term of movies there are plenty of old movies where you can’t watch it without pirating it anymore. If public domain wasn’t 99 years (thanks Disney :/ ) then it wouldn’t be like this if you want to watch a literally 60 year old movie you can’t watch it without pirating as the chances it’s not even on any steaming site

[@akl2k7]

​@@jevans3375Right, and you just know that not enough people are watching 99% of 50 year old movies and TV shows to make them profitable. Heck, it's probably closer to 99.999%. There's absolutely no reason for such lengthy copyright laws except for corporate bigwigs wanting to hold onto the handful of profitable franchises from a few decades ago.

[@justanoman6497]

@@jevans3375 You know, trademark is use it or lose it. It would be nice if something similar is done for copyright. If it's not made digitally available(at least 50% of the time within a year) AND have not met a certain minimal physical print requirement, it should become public domain. Now, this could be a bit complicated when there are regional licensing matters to consider. But at least for country of origination, there should be use it or lose it enforcements.

[@rkhale02]

@@jevans3375 Yeah i got caught years ago by my ISP for downloading The Godfather even though at the time it wasn't even on any streaming services. Stupid schmuck of a system we have here. Luckily they gave me a slap on the wrist and told me not to do it again.

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

Gotta love the companies logic of every pirated copy equating a lost sale. Instead of just them not buying in the first place

[@Karlos87]

We went form Cable to one or two streaming platforms, and we are going back to so many streaming platforms that its just time before a conglomerate appears and bundles bunch of streaming services into basically just internet cable.

[@LiberOpine]

Did you know that one in 1337 pirates quit piracy just before they find a treasure?

[@adamburch1296]

Clever

[@arvidsgills1157]

All the rest of the pirates find their treasure at The Pirate Bay

[@mikep8080]

Don't forget the King Pirate Yify

[@Mateus01234]

I see what you did there

[@KuleGuy27]

THE ONE PIECE IS REALLL

[@KajuTheRudeMonke]

"Is Piracy Over?" OH HELL NAW, IT'S GETTING BACK ON THE ROAD, BABY!

[@MasterCraft_48]

Yharrr mi m8y! We're going to explore the consequences of companies having high subscription prices

[@Illiminator31]

I mean go Pirat, I happy take your money when you download yourself a Malware and need a Security Company to fix your shit :)

[@ivoryowl]

@@Illiminator31 Those in the known which sources to trust and download from. Also, you say that as if there's no legit software out there with their own version of bloatware and malware...

[@rkhale02]

@@Illiminator31 pfffft please, anyone with half a brain can reinstall windows in 45 minutes or less without the need for a security company to fix anything. Sincerely, a regular pirate.

[@pocketdust2450]

@@Illiminator31 I guess Virtual Machines don't exist.

[@NJdaniels96]

7:45 Thanks for bringing this up. Another hole in the "piracy = lost sale" argument is that just because someone downloaded a piece of media doesn't mean that they even used it. I have around 12TB of pirated material and I've probably only even looked at a single digit percentage of it. A lot of my downloads have been entire comic characters' bibliographies or entire gaming console libraries in bulk. I downloaded a GBA collection with 2437 games in them and I think I've only ever booted around 5. And only one of them I've played more than a couple hours.

[@flubnub266]

To be fair, downloading full ROM sets has sent me on some really interesting emulation adventures that never would have happened otherwise. But yeah, even then I'd have to play nearly 250 GBA games to even register a single percent, and that's ignoring how much time I actually spend playing the games which is also a relevant point. AAA game developers are known for padding out games so the refund window closes before the player realizes the game is bad. They're afraid you'll find out their game sucks before they can lock in your purchase.

[@TurboTimTravels]

“The American government is working to block piracy sites” “That is horrible, anyways this video is brought to you by expressVPN!”

[@danp6504]

“Consider the impact” brother, I’m doing it FOR the impact

[@joeshabado1431]

I really don't think piracy is the movie theater's biggest problem today.

[@TVVOSTEP]

As an avid movie goer, you're 100% right. It's the trash they push to the theater.

[@OMG-si3wn]

@@TVVOSTEP its like that cuz all of the money and big stories are going towards high budget tv shows

[@foxthroat3410]

nah... it's the movies these days tbh 😂

[@Mikael-jt1hk]

​@@OMG-si3wnthats just plain wrong 😂

[@OMG-si3wn]

@@Mikael-jt1hk i mean just use ur eyes and see that all the big budgets are going towards tv shows

[@Sherudons]

Main reason most of us do it is the sheer push from purchase to rent, even now it's being retroactively applied, you bought this item, but we are going to revoke access and delete it from your library, you can't stop us and there is no replacement. I don't buy a licence, I buy a product, and I will keep using that product, so don't sulk when your "profits" are on the open sea.

[@Styrak]

"really hard time believing 10's of billions of dollars from the economy lost" I dunno man theatre popcorn is pretty expensive.

[@StephenMatrese]

plus soda and candy

[@Brixster]

true, but I don't think the movie studio companies see any of that popcorn revenue. Maybe there's some underground license agreement where they do, but I always thought it was just the actual box office tickets that they got money from, and the overpriced popcorn was the theater's way to make money since most of the ticket money is just going to the studios

[@Styrak]

@@Brixster They were commenting on the article saying money going into the economy. Not to the movie studios.

[@Fighter_Blue]

@@Styrak Then 0 dollars would be lost from piracy.

[@Roxor128]

Only because the theatres are getting screwed by the studios. The deals with the studios leave them with bugger-all from the ticket sales, so they make up the difference with snacks. If you really want to support your local cinema when you go, buy some popcorn.

[@ElectricityTaster]

They don't want to ban piracy, they want to ban competitors from having easy access to loads of information to train their AIs. The sites I use to pirate books are bogged down because of this.

[@jurassicjaws]

One big reason I keep sailing the seas: Foreign films I enjoy usually don't get a North America release unless it's on Amazon only, and for some reason, every single time, they do one of two things: 1. Use their own subtitles that have quotation marks thrown all over the place, regardless of context, time, place, etc.. 2. They post their own cut of the film. Not the theater release, not the director's cut, it's their own cut of the film, and it's always awful and ruins the flow of the storyline.

[@howling-wolf]

Buying != Owning Piracy != Stealing If the button says buy and the license says something thats not BUY, its bullshit.

[@hornattila]

IMO if the button says "buy" or similar, it should automatically legally invalidate every single EULA and TOS and whatever fuck that says otherwise. companies should be legally forced to turn the buttons into "rent, and we can remove your access anytime" (have to include that exact long text with same font size) if the button says "buy" and the company removes your access without a good reason (going out of business) you can sue them and they should lose automatically and forced to pay for all expenses

[@joshallen128]

@@hornattila rent long term lease and you pay property taxes on it every year because ownership means paying property taxes

[@joshallen128]

perpetual subscription doesnt exist, steam needs new sales to keep their service alive otherwise without new sales the platform collapses otherwise valve would need to charge a yearly fee akin to property tax to keep your account alive and active a keep alive, otherwise the account would become dormant, keeping games active and full disclosures this game no longer works and has an expiration date of xx

[@Duke49th]

​​@@hornattila how do you sue a company that is out of business? 😅 (but I agree with everything else you said!

[@costadinover]

​@@joshallen128wtf are you talking about? do you pay property taxes on your clothes? do you pay property taxes on your books? No, owning stuff doesn't require paying property taxes, that's only reserved for certain types of properties.

[@Voltaic_Fire]

I do reckon that piracy would massively decline if people could actually buy content, I don't see people wanting to pay that much to rent it.

[@IC3P3]

From the people pirating especially movies and music, I hear more often than not how many actual releases they buy. The reason they pirate is a service problem: worse quality, not owning it, way too expensive too subscribe to all these services.

[@PseudoNym13]

Lots of them won’t let you buy the shows or movies they want you to rent them or get them bundled with streaming services. Look at how much stuff has been on Netflix once and never to return.

[@NeilHaskins]

I bought 1 Blu Ray. Then I found out you can't get a drive to play blu rays on Linux, because they need a bunch of DRM to prevent piracy. I'm probably never going to buy another blu ray.

[@havocsdragon]

I'm brought to Gabe Newell's quote on piracy "Piracy is almost always a service problem.." Personal case: I've pirated software I own because the company made it so inaccessible or bogged down in DRM that it became unusable.

[@keit99]

Or it's not available in my Country (or in lower quality only , looking at you STAS)

[@alexanderkhan9097]

Right? You can't even steam in 4k or 5.1 from a windows device on Netflix, and I use my home PC as my primary device for viewing content. I've got a 5.1 system calibrated for my room, and an Oled. I've got an RTX card with VSR and HDR upscaling. Why the fuck would I pay for a lesser experience when I can just torrent a Netflix show?

[@lck0ut348]

And in the case of games, a lot of the more reputable repackers will give you better optimized games, mainly because they remove all traces of DRM

[@fatburdo]

Here in Brazil we don't even bother with a VPN, one in a million chance of getting a notice and it has no court validity anyway

[@AC-wl7ve]

iv stopped using a vpn. i just get the isp emails lol.vpn just slows shit down.

[@brandon0sh]

what if you just say in your advertising for your VPN "we will co-operate with law enforcement to bust pdfs, get fucked"

[@cherrypepsi2815]

I've been saying this for years. Piracy follows the business cycle. When times get rough and users are exploited for profits, piracy rises. Times get good again, companies become better and more friendly (or get overtaken by competition), and piracy dwindles. In other words, "it's the economy, stupid!"

[@gandalfilgrigio97]

how does piracy steal from theaters? pirated movies are usually ripped from bluerays; don't think anybody's watching movies recorded with a camera during the projection. they are stealing from themselves when a movie is available on platforms a week after theatrical release

[@synthiandrakon]

idk how it happens but like ive seen high quality rips of movies online that aren't even out in cinemas yet

[@williampearce5757]

I have seen that people are doing just that. Using a shitty phone camera to record live footage of movies as they are played in theatres. Hilarious thing though, is this is usually in Chinese theatres.

[@FunctionallyLiteratePerson]

​@@williampearce5757this used to happen in the US, but worse because it was shitty camcorders

[@thelakeman2538]

Release prints do get pirated along the supply chain, whether it be from the theatre or somewhere before reaching the theatre, that's how high quality leaks can happen on or before release. Idk how common this is for American movies though, but not unheard of in developing countries like India.

[@gandalfilgrigio97]

@@synthiandrakon i think that's cause they've been released in some other country

[@ChaseSchleich]

Those "lost revenue" numbers are such bullshit. Those numbers assume that every pirated film is the loss of a theater ticket or Blu-ray sale. In reality, if a person can't pirate the film, they just won't watch it at all or they'll see it when it appears on a streaming service eventually. There's a few movies coming out that I really want to see. I didn't have the time or money to see them in a theater so I'm going to download them when they appear on one of the torrent sites I use. If they appeared on a streaming site before the torrent is made available, then I'd watch it that way, but either way, I'm not paying for a ticket or for a digital/physical copy. They were never going to get that sale and I highly doubt I'm alone on this.

[@ronniekregar3482]

Exactly!!!! I've always said the same thing. The people that buy fake Louis Vuitton bags are never buying a real one.

[@patrickday4206]

Those lost revenue numbers are simply for tax write offs

[@DARKNESSNAO]

Weren't there a few institutions that published a report, that suggested that the percentage of damages resulting from piracy was between 5% to 7%? However, it appears that the report was disregarded because it did not align with the narrative that piracy was causing losses in the millions, or in some cases, billions of dollars.

[@NeilHaskins]

5% of the American movie and tv industry might amount to billions. Especially if they don't specify billions per year.

[@tteqhu]

It's a very hard topic to approach, there have been some reports that found the general perceived impact to be small. But they're all very speculative, we can't hope to simulate a world without piracy. In the last couple of years I have seen a ton of people justifying piracy with parroting some quotes or statistics poorly. It used to be just an edgy cool thing, or being run by fan sub/dub as alternative in smaller countries. Now it's human right to have free entertainment paid by others. A lot has changed in the last couple of years, so I don't know if I'd pay much attention to a 10 year old report.

[@squidwardtentacles2736]

many ppl forget that pirating can also lead to buying because without video game rental stores you don't have to ability to try a game out. I've beaten a handful of games on emulators then went to buy physical copy because I knew I liked it enough to buy it.

[@Ordolph]

Not sure a near hour long segment should be called a "clip", but sure 😂

[@caseywarren7426]

it was over 4 hrs long in its original format... but yeah a clip should be maybe 10-15 minutes tops.

[@asteroiddropper]

Maybe rename it to "LMG Segments", it would be more accurate.

[@staris3712]

this was really 4 similar topics that could have been clipped individually that make more sense as a single segment.

[@luandoduy416]

It's like Techlonger over Techquickes. Cliplonger

[@natelevy1040]

Is it the whole show? If yes, then it's a show. If no, then it's a clip. 😉

[@andrewpeterson5003]

If purchasing digital content that can be taking away from you isnt theft, then piracy isnt stealing

[@rkhale02]

@@mrn234 The way to change that is to operate like it doesnt' make sense. Company takes a movie from you? oh well, find a way to not need that service and go on about life. They will feel it in their profits.

[@electrified0]

​@@mrn234 Which is exactly why people say "that deal sucks" and pirate it instead when they use the ridiculous deal terms as a justification for screwing over their customers.

[@jdarokhajiit9153]

​@@mrn234that is true, however it's marketed as buying a product, not a license. The TOS are often predatory and bait and switch is becoming increasingly common.

[@jdarokhajiit9153]

​@@rkhale02like piracy?

[@ermazargw3908]

@@mrn234 it's still theft, because the companies are lying to the consumer by using words like "purchase" and "own" when in reality you're only renting. You shouldn't *have* to read the fine print, just force companies to be honest and punish them for abusing their customers.

[@Tall_Order]

Stopping Piracy has less chance of success than stopping warfare.

[@Veela666]

The everyday people already got paid during the production of the film or television show. The only people hurt by piracy is the shareholders, the actors getting paid a cut off profits, and once from royalties.

[@prezlamen7906]

I stopped buying long time ago. So no, piracy is stronger than ever. That means something is seriously, seriously wrong with the world. Before i pirated because i either had no money at the time or i was trying the game before deciding to buy. But today, corporate greed made it feel completely wrong to pay and completely morally ok to pirate, even though i have money to spend.

[@tteqhu]

See? There's a resurgence of people that take $$$$ out of the entertainment industry out of even spite. I know the money doesn't disappear, but the entertainment industry is totally justified to panic, as they probably see the numbers and trends.

[@prezlamen7906]

@@tteqhu Awesome.

[@AC-wl7ve]

honestly if theres a service that actually puts out consistent good content i have no problem paying for it monthly, but so often there might be one show i want to watch on a whole service...im not buying a whole subscribtion to check out one show.

[@RichardWinskill]

Piracy is taking precisely zero monies from the economy; that money is just being spent of groceries and other stuff instead of movies.

[@zazuch]

This is a very valid point. I dont think those pirating go ohh that’s another $60 I can put into savings. No it goes to other things. So what he needs to say it’s possibly taking money from HIS pockets not the economy haha.

[@clavius5734]

When I was a teen I pirated everything because I had little money, if I would not have been able to pirate, I would not have had it. But it’s not like it was for free in every regard, the freaking hassle involved in getting some cracked games to run- I would sometimes waste multiple nights on that.

[@mabey8048]

@@zazuch too bad this guy is the one who can afford the lobbying to get laws in place

[@zazuch]

@@mabey8048 who Linus? He has money but he doesn’t have any money compared to global corporations money when it comes to lobbying lol

[@mabey8048]

@@zazuch no the film guy who wants piracy gone. Linus isn't even American

[@fraud8256]

Pirate bay basically just showed that it’s not possible to shut these things down.

[@GiJoe94]

On paper there is no legit pirate bay anymore, but it has tens of mirrors. It hard to beat the Balkans and Russians on piracy

[@fraud8256]

@@GiJoe94 pirate bay has basically always been mirrors since they tried to shut it down, it’s the ingenious structure of it, that quite literally anyone could host it if they want without breaking a sweat

[@FunningRast]

Ok, so that would include blocking their own sites too since they have a bad habit of plagiarizing copyrighted material (stolen scripts, screenplays, pitches, novel adaptations, etc) right?

[@evgena_]

The best take I have seen on piracy of video games comes from the creator of Ultrakill: "Culture should not be available only for those who can afford it"

[@og_skullkid1387]

Who’s reporting these numbers. Because they’re flat out wrong. I don’t know how you can create info and fabricate it like that. Pretending that just because you made something with everyone in mind doesn’t mean you get to blame a lack of sales on “piracy” what a cop out.

[@LegionIscariot]

I stopped pirating games a long time ago. But with all the anti consumer practices by these big companies sometimes i wonder what's even the point. Pirates are the ones actually preserving games 🤦‍♂️

[@kevinerbs2778]

Well there's always G.O.G which does try to preserve older PC games.

[@cokeweasel1064]

​@@kevinerbs2778Can you launch the game without launching GOG? If not, then they're no different.

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@cokeweasel1064 yes, you can launch the game entirely without the "G.O.G galaxy" installed at all. That's how all my G.O.G are installed. Just click the icon to the game itself & the game starts right up by itself. They wouldn't be called offline installers without that feature.

[@roundearthshill248]

same. It's been 10 years since I pirated a game. I was also broke 10 years ago and only pirated because I couldn't afford the games I wanted. Nowadays I buy whatever games I want...even if I only play Fallout 4, Starfield and CP2077...oh and iRacing.

[@turtlefrog369]

@@cokeweasel1064 yes you can. gog has no drm, unlike steam drm. you can also download through the website i believe.

[@brandonnn95]

The problem is that ticket prices in theaters have gone through the roof and is absolutely unattainable for the normal human. if I was a teenager and wanted to take a girl on a date to the movies I could do it for 20 bucks all in … now you can’t even buy a popcorn and a drink for 20 bucks .. teenagers have to ask their parents for it at minimum $100 just to go to the movies so why not just pirate the movie at home on a 4K TV screen and make your own popcorn for a dollar and order a pizza .. they have to make movie theaters a place that people want to go not a place that feels like a casino where you’re just going to lose all your money

[@What-ez6im]

Fake, I can go to the movies for 10 bucks per person if you don't buy snacks and go during the weekday. Drinks are almost the same price as the movie itself

[@brandonnn95]

@@What-ez6im22 people disagree with you

[@Tyranatronus]

Or you just don't want to go to the theater? There's plenty of things like AMC A-List or Regal Unlimited that make going to see films significantly cheaper + regular screen tickets are still around $8-10 given you don't live in a place like LA or NYC

[@alcedob.5850]

Lobbyists should be held responsible for their words. If banning pirate sites won't provide the promised benefit, and it won't, someone's got to compensate the waste of budget

[@mr_clean575]

End of service, out of region, always online singleplayer, not available on this console, requires third-party account, drm requires root level access, no mod support, no ownership subscription models that include ads for already paid services, predatory and hidden TOS and cancellation/hidden fees, dozens of separate launchers/streaming services with their own data collection and brokering, splitting of previously centralized content into many different services so dozens of subscriptions and user logins required, getting added to email and marketing lists, data/password leaks for accounts. THAT is what is pushing piracy, not price. Many of the things that are meant to prevent piracy actually encourage it and reduce the quality of the product.

[@Disthron]

Anyone remember how Fifa 2014, or maybe it was 2015, had the first version of Denuvo? It went uncracked for like 3 to 4 months and people were wondering after month 2 if it was ever going to get cracked? EA never made any big announcements about how much more it sold... because it didn't. It sold basically the same as every other version of Fifa.

[@NikolaiCherepanov]

I love being a 🏴‍☠ of the high seas, when I got a job I started paying for everything from software I used to TV Shows, and then when subscription models go rolled out for everything and still included ads while jacking up the prices, I said screw that ill go back to being a 🏴‍☠. The media industry can collapse for all I care 🤷‍♂

[@GregoryShtevensh]

Yep

[@Necropheliac]

I’ve been using IRC bots to download everything since 2003. This method of acquiring media flies completely under the radar, and if you set up your client correctly it’s also encrypted. The way it works is that you join an irc chat channel and send a message to a bot with the packet you want. The bot makes a direct connection to your PC via IP address and sends you the file that you want. Peer to peer downloads are virtually invisible to law enforcement. They have no way of knowing what you’re downloading even if they subpoena the traffic records from your ISP because it’s encrypted via SSL.

[@krim7]

That sounds like Napster 😂

[@sneekeruk]

Ive not used irc for 15ish years, I remember xdcc bots offering packets and used them a lot, then I remember as bittorrent came around and even before tpb etc I was getting the .torrent files from an irc bot.

[@1Bagoly1]

>This method of acquiring media flies completely under the radar Won't be for long, if you tell everyone here. Although using irc is a big issue for most.

[@ghoulbby]

Seems excessive I'd rather just use my $3 windscribe vpn and pull through that. Audio for me usually comes from cracked Spotify downloading or batch downloads w/ youtube-dl on yt playlists.

[@Embattled5211]

For those who want to do this with music: Soulseek

[@janemba42]

They tried this in Australia and it's still in effect. At worst you'll get a letter from your ISP telling you that you're naughty for torrenting, and will get cut off if you continue

[@thanksyoutubefortakingmyhandle]

They've been doing this in the USA for years, I got one of those letters too about 12 years ago

[@janemba42]

@@thanksyoutubefortakingmyhandle This was a while ago for me too like 10 years ago.

[@cornheadahh]

@@thanksyoutubefortakingmyhandle same, ever since that day I use a VPN + Seedbox

[@Hectik17]

im in au ive been pirating since 99, still going hard too with tv shows movies games music ect and nothing ever happens torrents, p2p ect and i dont use a vpn

[@tihruytssgjjvsavcxtbvhj3429]

Mullvad VPN. It's the best and fastest and most anonymous VPN bar NONE.

[@MysticMike]

@11:15 This is kind of making me think that this is the movie equivalent to the 1983 video Crash. Too many junk movies like the same thing it was when there was too many junk video games

[@hansnielsen1989]

Most often it is the price that is to blame for the pirates? And sometimes you can't get it on DVD when no more have been produced

[@cyrilthefish]

Honestly i think piracy is going to make a comeback. A huge dent was made in piracy numbers due to easily accesable and cheap paid offerings (i started buying games on steam and getting paid online streaming services as it was far less hassle for me to do so) But now we're getting a reversal: (especially for video streaming) where prices are getting out of hand alongside reductions in service quality... Piracy is looking the better option again. I think we're right on the cusp of seeing a huge piracy resurgence here, all because of corporate greed...

[@askeladden450]

Tbh, if you knew where to look, piracy was always the best option, even during the hayday of netflix. Now, the difference is so ridiculuos that you have to think why some people pay to get a worse service than piracy.

[@TheSpoonyCroy]

Not sure for that. I can see it for VOD services but I know Video game piracy is pretty rocky right now because even though Denuvo fucking sucks (for paying consumers) and I hate it, it actually works. Look at things like crackwatch and you will see many modern titles that use the most recent verisons of denuvo number of cracked titles is pretty small compared to the old days. I think at best 30% have been cracked and this leaves many titles that are several years old with no cracks in sight for instance Total War Warhammer 3 still hasn't been cracked and it has been 2 years now. The only person who cracked Denuvo titles at the cost of $500 per title has basically been MIA since September. Like PC Video game piracy at the moment is basically dead in the water, you may have better luck if you played emulated cracked console games but yeah if you are a PC gamer which I think most of this audience is, you are sort of SOL.

[@RicardoSantos-oz3uj]

It already made a come back as most modern games are shit when compared with older games.

[@Roxor128]

@@TheSpoonyCroy When it comes to PC games, about the only ones I do pirate are old games that aren't on Steam. Hell, it's had me un-pirate games I pirated back in the day. Pirated Doom when I was on DOS, but bought it on Steam years later.

[@mondodimotori]

Piracy never died with streaming services. In the beginning there was less offer and less choice of platform and content, meaning you didn't have options for lots of digital content, except piracy. Now we have several platforms with combined huge libraries for every taste. We have it much better now. But morons on the internet will prefer a mnopoly...

[@andrewscaccetti6464]

"100s of thousands of jobs" I would argue there's hundreds of thousands of jobs BECAUSE of piracy. What of all these organizations that scour the internet and slap DMCA requests and stuff for IP holders?

[@DistortedChrist]

High paying jobs too. I can assure you a DMCA lawyer makes way more money on avg than a theatre worker.

[@nullbeyondo]

Also VPN companies lol.

[@drinkingguy3168]

No it isn't. Pirate will a way through this, one way or another.

[@the_undead]

I don't think this is the end of piracy, but given what Nintendo has been doing to emulators recently, I think this is the beginning of piracy becoming Beyond something the average person will be able to do without completely destroying their computer

[@MasterCraft_48]

Come SpongeBob! We're going to be pirates!

[@InfernosReaper]

@@the_undead Nintendo didn't come out on top because it was an emulator. They came out on top because the devs got too greedy and profited off enabling piracy by locking a software update for a game that hadn't even been released yet behind a paywall. Had they not done *that* then Nintendo would have had *no* legal standing to shut them down.

[@Kevin-oj2uo]

​@@the_undeadYes piracy is not easy and its becoming more complex so that will keep people out of it.

[@archduke0000]

@@Kevin-oj2uo it's incredibly easy lmao

[@golfalphagolf]

We've had similar legislation in Australia for a few years - they do a DNS poison here, so you get redirected to a "blocked" page instead of the actual website, so using another DNS not provided by your ISP (from a VPN, Google, Cloudflare for e.g) would get around the block.

[@GrimLion]

The argument for piracy is that it doesn't matter how successful a game, show, or movie is. You see this with a lot of cartoons and anime. Widely successful shows still get cancelled or dropped in general. Successful game studios get let go. Giant corporations have the final say at the end of the day. Your life's work will get written off as a tax deduction

[@JudgmentSigma]

I will die on the hill that says: "If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing!"

[@mondodimotori]

You steal the work hours and income of those people working in the creative sector. You don't respect their work. I hope that hill as a nice view, at least.

[@Codyslx]

​@@mondodimotori How do you stesl their work hours? They still get paid in full for their rolls. The company is what suffers if the product flops.

[@SwerveNation]

So u think buying isnt owning?​@@mondodimotori

[@Sean-fj9pn]

You haven't stolen anything. You made a digital copy of their "intellectual property". If you take a photograph of a loaf of bread or make your own loaf at home that doesn't mean you stole the loaf from the store to do it. Nobody is deprived of their property and nobody even knows other than yourself that the copying even occurred, therefore who is the victim?

[@krishmalhotratalks]

@@mondodimotori if i press BUY on a steam page of a game, i expect to OWN the game, perpetually, that is my payment. If 5 years down the line, the game/media product is not available because it was a digital license, I will pirate it, because I OWN it.

[@beastiebear7231]

In all fairness. Most people who pirate are not the type of people who would pay for a service or pay to go to the cinema if pirating was taken away as an option. Businesses shouldn't penalise actual paying customers for theoretical lost money from pirates (eg SKY/Now TV raised prices due to pirates.... their infrastructure does not change at all. They are just charging customers more for no good reason).

[@CharlieQuartz]

Of course many people who pirate would start paying for services if they systemically couldn’t pirate anymore. They’re still incentivized socially and personally to watch new shows and movies. In what world would people just stop consuming if they couldn’t get the content they wanted for free?

[@ImminDragon]

@@CharlieQuartz A *huge* number of them would just watch free stuff, like KZbin, and play old games they already have. Traditional TV has been dying off for years, and no "social incentives" are changing that.

[@CharlieQuartz]

@@ImminDragon “Traditional TV” hasn’t been dying off, it just switched platform from cable to streaming. The same highballers (Warner Bros, 20th Century, Universal, Sony) are producing movies and shows the same as they have been for decades, and they aren’t making any less money. They just moved from televisions to tablets. Nobody who makes content on free platforms can compete with their production values, and still don’t get views like traditional movies and shows do. People far over-value the strength of independent creators to the general audience. They wouldn’t hold 90% of viewers’ attention against the marketing forces that convince everyone to see the latest Nolan film. Games are a totally different issue, as many have spelled out here. Steam and GOG managed to all but eliminate the incentive for piracy in the game market so everyone would play the latest Battlefront.

[@pmester228]

@@CharlieQuartz go go gadget, region lock!

[@NeilHaskins]

​@@CharlieQuartz "In what world would people just stop consuming if they couldn’t get the content they wanted for free?" In the world where people just don't care that much. A lot of people consume media to kill time. If it isn't available they'll just find something else to do.

[@jdigi78]

I love how they've framed it as piracy is stealing jobs now. Pirated content is not money stolen from the economy.

[@cactoidjim1477]

In the United States, you can get your internet shut off. The ISPs do not have any interest in doing this, but the FCC holds the ISPs responsible for your conduct - only insofar as it affects the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act).

[@S71xx]

There are three reasons people pirate. 1. Can't afford it. 2. Was never going to buy it. 3. Shitty and or abusive service.

[@WeirdTippy]

Mentioning SOPA brought back the memories of Aaron Swartz. You know it's been just over a decade since he passed?

[@John.S92]

Imagine you're in a mall, imagine that your movement around the mall, each second spent at this store and that store and so on, now imagine that you get a notice/letter from the mall saying "You spent x minutes at this store, please don't visit that store". Wouldn't that feel messed up that your movement where tracked and that the mall/ISP was monitoring your activity for visiting "illicit" websites?

[@GregOughton]

The reality is that there is finite consumer dollars available for movie tickets, finite consumer dollars available for streaming subs. If you make legal access easy and offer a good value then you'll get those dollars.

[@austinftwXD]

I genuinely hate these companies, so it's either in going to pirate it and maybe enjoy it, or I'm just not going to watch /play it at all. I'm about 3 years deep on following through with my media boycotts so I really couldnt care less.

[@bushysowavvey]

One good example of paying vs not paying is NFL Sunday Ticket. I remember a few years ago (probably before the best sports streaming site was out) I tried to exclusively get buy on those for weekly games and cast to my TV. Needless to say, it was a miserable experience. Horrible picture quality, non stop overly ads, crashing streams, constant refreshing, annoying chat, broken audio, lagging or stuttering. I already pay for KZbin TV… just shell out the few hundred and have a seamless experience. 🙄 Way more worth it than not spending when I want to sit on the couch and watch games all day lol

[@RicardoSantos-oz3uj]

Let's call it what it is: Unauthorized copying. Is not stealing as you are not preventing the owner from using their property. As is not piracy because there is no one stopping a ship to steal their cargo. Is Unauthorized copying. You copied something that someone else didn't want you to copy. Not stealing and not piracy. Since you didn't enter into a contract to copy it, is not even a breach of contract. The fact that they called it stealing and piracy removed any moral high ground that they ever believed they had. As knowingly calling something for what is not is mislabeling and thereof FRAUD! Want your software to be bought instead of copied? Offer a better product than the unauthorized copy version.

[@gorkskoal9315]

I've been saying this for years!.

[@mondodimotori]

You steal the work that people put into that content. If you don't pay for that content, they'll have to find other ways to make a living.

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

"Pirate" actually comes from "pirate radios" operating from ships out in international waters I believe, but yeah, "stealing" is a bit much.

[@gorkskoal9315]

@@rexsceleratorum1632 that came later. In short pirate, comes from pirateering, basically running small business on a ship, I think it's a pidgeon of cajun french. Priveering radio for saftey and ocasionally radio (for land) wasn't around untill the 1800s (a little past caribean pirates). lol either way, perfect, unauthorized copies isn't exactly theft or stopping anything. Your not holding a BFG to someones head and demanding they not sell photoshop or whatever else. No one told a C-suite to enshitify adobe with renting (subscricribing to) photoshop. no one putting a gun to a exec suite in nintendo to tell them to stop selling games.

[@SirHeartbreakertheFirst]

@@mondodimotori depends on the product. But in the gaming/film industry specifically? Nine times out of ten, you're not taking from the developer/director's pockets, you're taking from the greedy studio execs who don't care about you or need your money.

[@109Rage]

Piracy does not have zero damage-but the amount of damage it does cost is in my opinion so negligible as to be a non-issue. The amount of people who "would have bought it if there was no piracy option" is tiny compared to the number of people who would simply not obtain a copy without piracy as an option.

[@oari1150]

I would disagree. Sure, if piracy was not an option that existed, people wouldn't buy 'that' specific piece of media, but their individual expenditure in the entertainment sector would raise by orders of magnitude. Simply because people are addicted to entertainment. There are societal pressures to watch newest show, the newest movie. Piracy is big, so is the lost revenue in entertainment.

[@Destilight]

​@@oari1150 yeah no. People would just share games/movies by hanging out or buying in group like it was done before piracy was widly available.

[@StephenMatrese]

@@Destilight or watch more content KZbin

[@karlhendrikse]

Citation needed. I wonder if someone could devise some kind of experiment that could test this once and for all. I feel like I'm pretty much in the clear, personally. I don't think I've pirated anything that I would have paid for if piracy was not an option. But I don't think that's true for everyone.

[@spaceycakey1987]

piracy acts like advertisment it helps you find stuff you would never buy if you really like somthing you want a proper copy of it

[@daedaluslv2032]

Predicted sales are not actual sales. Actual sales can be even in minus. If we look at other industries where copying something is nearly impossible. 95% of companies and their products fail anyway. 95% of workers will gain nothing if copying is somehow removed completely.

[@MASTERCRAFT938]

Even if there wasn't piracy. The layoffs wouldn't cease to exist. The issue is not piracy, it's the corpa greed.

[@piotr7805]

That insane perspective of "every pirated copy is a lost sale" needs to be called out harshly. Maybe 10% are, most people who would pirate your product will not buy it anyway.. Many judges will just not understand how extremely overblown the loss estimates are and can be easily manipulated into believing, that piracy damages economy in major scale.

[@soogymoogi]

I've pirated content that I would have happily paid for just because there was no consumer-friendly way to purchase it. One of my favorite documentaries ever doesn't have a legal way to own it. You can only rent it. I would LOVE to give everyone involved in Tickled money but if I can't/own/ the movie, I can only rent it, that's BS. Same for some video games. If I can't own something so I can watch or play it anytime without the fear of it being snatched away from me, that's a problem.

[@karlhendrikse]

I suppose you could rent it a few times (to give them money) and then pirate it (so you can actually watch it properly). Anyway but yeah Tickled is good, watch Tickled. And Mister Organ.

[@TheZombie1984]

In North America, ISP's will absolutely stop your service if you get a cease and desist but continue to pirate. VPN's are an absolute required thing here.

[@xorxpert]

you won’t get a C&D. honestly it really depends. i’ve violated my AUP with an old ISP atleast 6 times, and the only threat they gave was terminating my service. not that i really cared, and yes during the times of getting those violates I was using a VPN, so the ISP somehow can figure out if you’re pirating

[@kaisercreb]

Some US ISP's like Mediacom only give you three notices before they turn off your Internet for life which you can't really get around in many cases since they're usually geographic monopolies. And even worse you can't even fight the notices as not yours until they remove service and then if you fight it they say your open to lawsuits. Robo notices that don't even list what was supposedly pirated are also sent and treated as if they're legitimate.

[@NeilHaskins]

Not in Canada, unless they've changed something recently. I got a DMCA letter about two years ago, and my ISP explicitly told me nothing would happen, they just pass them along.

[@KaraiMorotĩ]

@@xorxpert It depends on where your VPN is a lot of VPN sites still hold your info and your ISP or police /gov agencies can get a warrant or just ask for your data. I know some people that only use VPN based in China for that reason.

[@jonc4403]

No they won't. I've been ignoring those emails for decades. They're a joke, even in the US.

[@synthiandrakon]

This feels like supermakets scaremongering about shoplifting. I honestly couldn't tell you whether there has been an increase in shopflifiting but what i can tell you is that the people who's job it is to count the stock and keep track of what we have are finding their hours cut and are at risk of losing their jobs. Companies are screaming about shoplifting meanwhile they can't even be bothered to pay the people whos job it is to check if there is anything missing. Companies are full of shit, they always have been, when they say they want this power for piracy you can be almost certain that is not true

[@oari1150]

You are complaining about companies with famously the smallest profit margins in the world. We talking like 1-3% max. Unfortunately yes, factors like shop lifting do have a substantial impact to if store in a particular location is actually profitable. Like they don't close down stores for shit and giggles.

[@synthiandrakon]

@@oari1150 I do actually know how much money the store im working at makes, they're doing better than ever

[@oari1150]

@@synthiandrakon what country, what chain?

[@maitele]

​@@oari1150I used to work at a Macy's in its waning days. These stores usually gather double digit profit margins due to low COGS. Before I'd even entered the store, asset protection was a dead office full of ancient equipment. As I recall there used to be one guy there but I never saw him. AP fell to managers and cashiers, who, being understaffed already, naturally had no power to do anything. This was orders from on high. Still, corporate saw fit to post signs on many breakroons chastising us for shrink. In 2018, before I'd even signed on, our store had lost $198,000 in shrink. I know for sure that number did not drop in the years I worked there. But no effort was ever made to bolster AP, and thieves came to know that. Corporate didn't care, not even a little. The store eventually closed when the mall it was attached to being divested by its owners. All that shrink and it was real estate shenanigans that did it in, in the end. I'm not sure I buy it, is what I'm saying; that shrink is the culprit. Maybe some stores, but not all. Even otherwise struggling companies like Macy's didn't seem to find the shrink concerning enough to attempt to do anything about it.

[@xlgapelsin6173]

​@@oari1150The amount of times i have "Forgotten" to scan stuff at the self checkout here at one of Swedens biggest store chains (might genuinely be the biggest) is insane lol

[@jake3111]

Can't even remember the last time I pirated something. It's been so long since buying something meant you actually own it... If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing

[@SimGunther]

If buying is not owning, this practice that protects ownership will continue forever

[@Jenel_79]

Piracy has never taken money away from studios, or effected box office takings. The only people watching pirated copies of movies are those who never had any intension of going to the cinema to see it. Cinemas are dying, not because of piracy, but because they've out priced themselves, it's disgusting how expensive it is now.

[@gorkskoal9315]

basically "hey guys all these people that didn't want to go see a crappy movie are the problem darn it!" .

[@Macca-95]

Piracy is almost always a delivery issue. You want to know when I did just about zero piracy? Around 2014 when everything I wanted to watch was on Netflix. I happily paid my $15 a month and could watch whatever I want. Nowadays if I want to have all of the different streaming services I would be spending over $200 a month. So I will definitely pirate shows if there is no economical way to watch them.

[@thbroadway]

I'd argue that's specifically a price issue. A delivery issue would be like certain shows being unavailable in certain countries on Netflix, but not offered legally in your country through another source.

[@Macca-95]

@@thbroadway It's a bit of both. Imagine if spotify only had 20% of the music that you wanted to watch and that when changing from one artist to another you would have to change over to another app. Having to pay for a boatload of apps is a pricing issue but it's also a delivery issue because it makes the user experience crap.

[@jer1776]

@tristonbroadway6760 Having stuff scattered around, especially if its different seasons of the same show is also really annoying and confusing which because of licensing is always subject to change. Pirate streaming sites still offer the convenience of having stuff centralized like Netflix did a decade ago.

[@thbroadway]

@@jer1776 Different seasons of a show being on different platforms is annoying but an uncommon issue. Even still, hopping around platforms isn't very inconvenient when it is one or two clicks away. It's not like having to drive to a different movie theater, or set up a VPN on your TV just to watch one show but turn the VPN off to watch another. Also, there have been many instances of content not being available on certain pirate streaming sites: high profile sites often got certain movies removed well before sites with a low profile, but low profile sites were not as well maintained or updated, and thus had smaller catalogues.

[@razrv3lc]

@@thbroadwayeven if the prices went down you’re still having to jump from multiple platforms. Hulu, Netflix, Paramount+, Disney+, HBO, etc are all individuals that you have to jump around to and it makes it inconvenient regardless of price

[@_gnit]

Getting Rid of Physical Media is their downfall. If their movie 💣 in theatres, they would usually make up their profit from DVD sales. This was also a huge incentive for creators to take risks by being more creative & not having to stay in the "safe" popular series lane & only spitting out sequels & remakes.

[@zeroangel2295]

In Australia our government has ordered all isp's to block any website that hosts pirate software but all you have to do is change your dns from your isp's to anything else and I use Google's dns so I never even notice it till I got a new laptop I I could not watch my anime till I changed the dns

[@DonZaliaz]

With the awful quality of virtually everything these days. Most media is not worth your time, never mind pirating.

[@fuegonomics2536]

Oh the party is just getting started. You can't legislate your way out of this one. It's profoundly stupid to think that you can.

[@croozerdog]

they did it in the netherlands, specifically piratebay is blocked from about half the ISP's. it's just good business for VPN companies and solves nothing

[@fefgam]

Vpn has great use against tyrannical political regimes

[@sneak567]

Big reason for piracy is some content is lost due to companies folding etc, and there no longer being any way to get a paid copy. there used to be sites that were known for likely having old niche, hard to get media

[@merlana3479]

If companies want people to stop pirating than they need to let people own their media.