Is Ravi Zacharias in Heaven? - Thoughts from: John MacArthur, Abner Chou, Justin Peters & Bob Wilkin

[@annac8069]

Instead of worrying about Ravi Zachariah’s salvation, which none us would know, how about making sure that we, who are still alive, follow Jesus and obey His teachings?

[@sunnyekm6351]

@@annac8069 grace will enable obey not our efforts. Obedience with self efforts brings self righteousness and religion like OT under the law. Walk according to the Spirit you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh. Fear to condemn saint of God.

[@MandrewP]

I know, how about worrying about Ravi Zachariah’s salvation AND follow Jesus and obey His teachings?

[@tatie7604]

What about the women he conned and raped? Does anybody EVER think about helping these people? I don't care where he is. He's dead and did a lot of harm.

[@dawnricherson2604]

Agreed. I do believe we can learn from the mistakes of others though..

[@HonorableMention83]

Impossible bcuz we're dead in sins and trespasses and are at enmity with God. Who among you didn't say the sinners prayer?

[@christianhaynes1954]

Church attendance does not get you into heaven . It's your faith in Jesus and the work of the cross that does .

[@AJTramberg]

Nor do they believe that either. Their question is, can a person that has been born again of the Spirit engage in willful, serious, long term sin? I agree however, that regular church attendance is not at all what I would call a "red flag". There are many reasons why true believers would be uncomfortable in a modern church setting. I am one of those people. I attend infrequently. I simply don't enjoy the Sunday morning format.

[@davidslone9776]

@@AJTramberg So, it's all about you, and how you feel? The Bible say not to forsake gathering together, so if you believe the Bible to be true, then why are you not obeying it? In for a penny, in for a pound...you can't pick and choose which Scripture to obey, or not obey. There is no excuse.

[@sunnyekm6351]

@@AJTramberg religion doesn't save only understand grace, the blessed life

[@tatie7604]

​@davidslone9776 The pastor can be a devil and tell you not to come. And refuse to let you go anywhere else. No one may know it-- but they'll malign you to every preacher you might go and see. This happens, through no fault of the congregant. Jealousy and hatred will cause this. And greed/egotism. The pastor may actually worship Lucifer and be a criminal. So, no, I'm not gathering together with those kinds of Satanists.

[@tatie7604]

I'm not gathering together with evil, counterfeit Christians. They follow Satan. And when they pray, they pray to the devil. Not going to do that with them. They'll harm good people with no remorse. They don't follow Christ and don't believe in Him. How do I know? By their words and actions in private meetings. Really easy to tell. So don't pretend you can't tell and don't know what they are and who they worship. You see it and you know! I have no idea where RZ is. His behavior was criminal. I worry about his victims , not him. He knew what he was doing and didn't care at all. Only God knows where his soul is. Frankly, I don't want to be near him if he made it to heaven. Or people like Ted Bundy. Maybe they got in on a lower wrung in heaven. I do not know.

[@robertwheeler1158]

The Bible is pretty clear and explicit on this: "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, not homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God" (I Cor. 6:9-11; NKJV). And Paul, after outlining the works of the flesh says, "of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God" (Gal. 5:19-21).

[@GESvids]

Is there Any Difference Between Entering the Kingdom and Inheriting the Kingdom? - Bob Wilkin & Ken Yates kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZLUlYaBptp5nqM Bob Wilkin and Ken Yates are answering a question about entering or inheriting the (Millennial) Kingdom? Should these be thought of as synonyms?

[@Eisenhammer78]

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Thats for you...

[@soljos1190]

​ Working for a Free and Never Deserving Gift never makes sense to a little child . Behavioral Performance (works) is excluded as a means of receiving the Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life: Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . Little children can easily understand and believe in Him for what He actually Certifies, instantly having irrevocable Life at that moment (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) . "If you knew the Gift of God" Jesus told the Woman at the Well (John 4:10-14) . Little children Never Whip Out their Credit Cards when they receive a Birthday or Christmas Gift , cuz they know there's No Payment Plan for them to fulfill for its reception .

[@Jaco3688]

So many people seemed to have missed the core of the problem. IF a decision for Christ is genuine, there WILL be a change at a heart level: “and such WERE some if you.” They are not philanderers any longer. The Holy Spirit indwells a person who is a Believer, convicting the person of sin. If there is no conviction (“whom the Lord loveth, He chasteneth”), one should take stock of the genuineness of their salvation.

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@@soljos1190 Is obeying the teachings of Jesus and Paul works?

[@Gtvsoopivgt]

I don't care what anyone says. God is his judge, Not men.

[@ChooseLife-rb3uk]

If men brought scripture to back their arguments you should care lest you lift your pride against God’s word.

[@BC-hb5fl]

YOu should care, especially if it is from the Bible. God has judged, by His written word. Read your Bible. Matthew 7:15-20 Matthew 7:21-23

[@lovearttherapyalways]

Yes God is the judge... I think Ravi was a liar and sexually immoral so I think he is probably not in heaven. 1 Corinthians 6:9-20 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 12"Everything is permissible for me"-but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"-but I will not be mastered by anything. 13"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"-but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." 17But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. 18Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

[@theKingsAmbassadors]

Ye shall KNOW them by their works...Christ said.

[@ufu4youandme]

if he repented he is in heaven, the man is the cross with Jesus. Has done all the crimes. Jesus accept him to paradise.

[@davidstout6051]

Not really anybody’s business right now. Last time I checked, Jesus gets to decide and he doesn’t need anybody’s help.

[@Kingjamesbible161]

He’s already decided for the person to make their free will choice by trusting him or rejecting him as saviour

[@lloydandbethbeiler8127]

Jesus said you shall know them by their fruits...

[@paulgemme6056]

@enriquemoure7212 We are saved by the obedience of one - Jesus Christ. Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

[@stephenarrigo5679]

Please remember that Jesus stated "If you love me you will obey my commands...True faith is manifested in obedience to God.

[@GESvids]

Can You Know That You're Born Again By Looking at Your Fruits? (Matthew 7:15-20) - Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIbGdoyOp9xpeaM How can you know that you're born again? Can you know by looking for fruit in your life? "Fruit inspection" has been devastating to many people's assurance. Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society discusses Matt 7:15-20, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits..." They show that Jesus is talking about identifying false prophets, not about having personal assurance of salvation. Is Perseverance in Faith Required? Is Fruit Required to be Genuinely Saved? - Bob Wilkin & Philippe Sterling kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2W9g5h-jbWcjKs Bob Wilkin and Philippe Sterling are answering a question from an atheist about faith. What does John 3:16 say about believing? Is persistence of continuous faith required until death for a person to receive Eternal Salvation? When is the gift of Eternal Salvation actually received? Does a person have to demonstrate fruit to be genuinely saved?

[@ladilesper]

Can an unrepentant serial killer go to heaven? Can an unrepentant adulterer go to heaven? Even if they “believe” in Jesus? No. They will not inherit the kingdom of God. Depart from me ye workers of iniquity!

[@davidslone9776]

And where Ravi, or anyone, ends up, is up to God, not you, not me. You did not know is heart or mind. Best to concentrate on your own relationship with God, and that should be a full time job.

[@colonalklink14]

True faith may or may not be manifested in how you live. Backloader. True if we love God we will obey His Commandments. Thankfully we aren't saved by loving God but rather because He first loved us and gave Himself for us.

[@whitebeardInn]

Stephen, are you a person of faith? Do you walk in 100% obedience to God in every thought and deed? If you don't, what percentage of disobedience makes you a non-Christian?

[@1111lizzard]

I sure hope and pray that he is with Jesus. I really loved to hear the word from Ravi. I have no idea how the Lord will judge him, but I very much hope that he is with Jesus.

[@rus1078]

" ... The Lord knows those who are His" and "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity. " 2 Tim. 2:19

[@tombirmingham7354]

Thank God salvation is based on what Jesus did, not what l did!

[@sandelamoses9701]

U r correct

[@vicfirth5515]

He's preaching while he is commiting his sin

[@newhavenfishermen]

That is a lie from the pits of hell. It is neither circumcision nor uncircumcision that means anything, what matters is a new creature, faith working through love, and keeping God's commandments. That's Bible. Faith without love is nothing. Faith alone is a doctrine from hell that perverts the grace of God.

[@davidslone9776]

@@vicfirth5515 As Messiah stated...let those who are with out sin, cast the first stone.

[@kathrynbriley4299]

Yes, but we're called to be set apart. He was a philander so really the question is can you live like the world and then you're dying breath say oh Jesus forgive me? I don't know anybody that?

[@Pablo-gl9dj]

Ravi didnt fall into sin, he lived in sin and never confessed publicly when confronted. Pride prevented him from doing so.

[@truthfirst6670]

Paul taught that if people blatantly persist in the practice of sin and abandon all conscience toward sin (and feel no guilt for wrongdoing nor willing to repent of it), such people will suffer great losses. This is why the apostle Paul was severe in his strictures toward such outrageous sinners who persist in their sins and break off any attempt to repent of them. He said: "Deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (1 Corinthians 5:5). And also: "If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved yet so as by fire" (1 Corinthians 3:15).

[@davidslone9776]

That is your opinion...it may, or may not, be correct. Unless you can read minds, and hearts, it will remain your opinion.

[@jiayouchinese]

@@davidslone9776 It's pretty obvious, actually.

[@wlonsdale1]

I don't confess my sin to everyone either. Am I going to hell?

[@philchristensen2787]

Simul justice et peccator. Righteous and a sinner at the same time. Thank you, Pastor for reminding us that our failures are part of the mystery of salvation - it’s humbling, but should drive us to our knees in adoration to Jesus.

[@MamaHarriet]

The man is dead. Why is it the business of anyone to dig into whether he was saved or not? Leave it to the Lord and go anout making your own lives line up with the Word.

[@MBB563]

Why Not?? I know you are so above it. However, we can learn so much from this debate. It certainly helped me reflect on my life and realized God will not be mocked. There is nothing wrong with testing the word of God on the world or anyone's of life. JESUS constantly used the analogy of a tree bearing fruit, refering to our lives or the talents we are given to bear fruit .we all sin, we all fall short of the glory of God. That said Ravi lived a secret life, his sins were planned willfully, stealthy, and secretly for a lengthy period of time.. I get the mercy of Jesus no one knows the depth of his Mercy, but I do question if Ravi was ever saved. Bc saved people sin and for sure do things that are dark and evil, but for how long if they are truly saved? So yes, this needs to be studied. Bc it's super scary what this man did. Bone chilling.

[@C.Lovdahl]

True, the man is dead. However, he leaves a witness behind. In that it is fair to ask, "should his example be followed?"

[@paulgemme6056]

@@MBB563 We are saved by the obedience of one - Jesus Christ. Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

[@jmldreamer]

These pastors Don’t know if Ravi is in heaven or not ! Have they been there to see ? I pray people don’t look at my life and recall a sin I committed and make a pharisee like judgement on me . I mean it doesn’t matter if they do or not ! I will stand before the ONE who’s blood was shed for me and who’s Grace covers me ! Thank you Jesus ! I don’t know if Ravi is in heaven or not but i hope and pray that he is .

[@mis-tur-tay-bur]

well said. No-one is justified to make the final judgement on anyone's life.

[@ben-str]

"That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved."

[@danadams494]

You said you don't know if Ravi is in heaven or not, exactly what MacArthur said. But he's judgmental and you're not.

[@savedbygrace6525]

I agree, it angers me that these so called Christian preachers tear people down and act as a judge and jury. Gets me sick, pulling Ravi 's life apart and Ravi's not here to say anything! He did great work as an apologist and helped many people truly understand the Biblical world view.

[@DA-yd2ny]

You can’t pray for him anymore - you can pray only for people on earth!!

[@GordonJenkins01]

We are warned about false prophets and teachers. Is it not possible that Ravi was one of these? Just because Ravi said he believed doesn't mean he did. What does the fruit coming from Ravi look like? I believe he was a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Anyone who preaches against repentance and that conduct is irrelevant to salvation is a wolf in sheep's clothing

[@soljos1190]

What is it - specifically , precisely , without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life ?

[@soljos1190]

​@@2Chronicles714_ Says a works salvationists .

[@JamesRDavenport]

What does the "fruit" of MacArthur and Justin Peters look like? Oh that's right they follow the grand heretic of Geneva. False Gospel. Do you follow their teachings? Then maybe they and you also aren't qualified to know anything about the Bible.

[@ben-str]

No. Ravi was a man. Like all of us, subject to the temptation of our fresh.

[@scottatutube1]

We're not told to "be in church" we're told to "not forsake the gathering together" with believers. Being in fellowship with others in ministry is that.

[@markrogers7546]

Brother "being in church" is the same as "not forsake the gathering together" with believers. Church is "gathering together with the saints".

[@lyndashields4185]

Well said !!! I think there will be a lot of surprises when we see people with the Lord , and some who we don't see

[@wernervanrooyen7866]

Why are we judging Ravi when the Bible clearly says that judgment belongs to God?

[@alantriplett304]

How is the Christian to determine who the false prophets and false teachers are without judging their doctrine and practice by God's Word. Jesus commanded the believer to judge right and proper ( John 7:24 ). Paul also said to judge matters between the brethren, and to judge sin in the Church ( 1 Cor. 5:3,12 ; and 1 Cor. 6:5 ). There are so many scriptures that command us believers to judge all things concerning faith and spiritual understanding. ( Luke 12:57 ).

[@Daryl-f6b]

I a sinner redeamed am not in a place the details of this it's up to Jesus

[@davidslone9776]

@@alantriplett304 Judging doesn't mean to be judgmental. We judge the stance, and teachings, by holding them up to the Bible. Where the person will end up is unknown to us. We can guess, but in the final analysis, only God knows, since only God can know the heart and mind of an individual. We have no clue what was said or done, in the closing days of their lives.

[@hopeinHim5160]

This is not our job. It is Jesus Christ's job. 🙏✝️

[@john318john]

​@@davidslone9776Yes, you are correct that we didn't know if he repented before taking his final breath. However it's a good lesson for those of us who are still living to obey his commandments if we want to be his disciples. What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? - Romans 6:1-3 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, - Hebrews 10:26

[@seniorscientist590]

Dumbest question ever. These arrogant pastors fail to recognize how far they have fallen. Unbelievable. 1st John written to believers. If there is any sin that can separate us from salvation then none are saved. If anyone could ever lose their salvation, under any possible hypothetical circumstance, then the implication is that no one is or has ever been saved in all human history. For we all sin, all the time! Bible is crystal clear we are saved by grace through faith. Belief in finished work of Jesus! Geeze man. People fail to look at their own heart. If his sin was so bad, what about the other 99.9% of guys that lust aftet women in their heart? Bunch of self righteous pharasies. Galatians 3:3. You people are so quick to think you can be made right in the flesh.

[@leadlefthand]

I suggest that people watch this video of Ravi explaining the Gospel. Note how he talks abut C.S. Lewis, God entering a relationship with mankind, and other fluffy stuff. But he never quotes any Bible verse on sin, the penalty of sin, or that the death, burial and resurrection being the sufficient payment of sin, or that a person needs to believe on Christ alone to receive the free gift of salvation. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5-7c6Gke8d3pq8 The Bible says by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. This simply means that through a person's words, you can more or less judge what they believe, because out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. If you ask any true believer what the Gospel is, it's automatic that they say words like "believe on Christ" or "death, burial and resurrection", or "by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone". These are like the national anthem words of a believer. But when Ravi was asked what the Gospel is, he sounded like he was teaching philosophy. What do his words hint at about what he believes in his heart? I have doubts with Ravi's salvation, not because of his scandal, but that he never preached the Gospel clearly in his public speaking events. A corrupt tree can't bring forth good fruit - that is an unbeliever can't get a person saved because an unbeliever doesn't know the Gospel himself.

[@Eisenhammer78]

Exactly! Amen

[@pfmiranda21]

Why i dont like these preachers because they act like God judging others.. The Lord said rebuke them dont hate them hate the sin and pray that the Holy Spirit intercede for them. The Lord wants everyone to be saved that is the reason why He gave His life not to condemn like what these preachers love to do like the pharisee's

[@edortiz5514]

⁠@@pfmiranda21They aren’t condemning, they are exposing! Just like Paul did! Please read Ephesians 5:6-11. Yes, Jesus died for our sins but we must still confess, ask for forgiveness, and Repent daily. No matter what, we still sin daily! If we say that we don’t sin, we call Christ a liar. (1 John 1:8-10 - “8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.”

[@AJTramberg]

Disagree, posts like this fundamentally do not understand apologetics. Go ask 99% of Christians WHY they believe, and Why do they think the Bible is true? You will get mouths hanging open most of the time. Intelligent, thinking people are not impressed by someone who can't explain his own beliefs. These are the questions that are stumbling blocks to the modern unbeliever. Paul and the Apostles were not preaching to an Atheistic world, where science has all the answers. Ravi challenged other religions, and presented a rational approach for faith. There are plenty of videos of Ravi arguing for why Jesus is the only way. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4Gxi4qbrcpkebssi=vVqiDroZh2Gcbkh5

[@jhoe4075]

What does it mean to believe in Jesus Christ? To live as He showed us how to whe n He came down to earth to live with sinners but not like sinners. Obey God just as Jesus obeyed His Father. Be filled with the Holy Spirit , not with philosophy or worldly wisdom instead of the word of God. Why are people interested to know if R Z will go to heaven? Because he is an example of how one should live ( especially for those who do not bother to read the Bible & learn from it) or how not to live.

[@russelllivingston7880]

Great comments Bob, thank you for the clarification of the good news.

[@GradyRisley]

Why would anybody ask the question in the first place. I'm not going to be his judge, nor am I going to be judged for him. Questioning whether somebody is in heaven or not just isn't our purview and at best its a guess.

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life ?

[@williamantila5262]

that maybe true... but if he were still alive and exposed and unrepentant ..that would bring 1 Cor 5:9-13 into play..any so called brother.. remove the leaven.. God disciplines his children so let us hope Ravi as a Type, falls into the 1 Corinthians 5:5 catagory..

[@MissRobyn007Sparkie]

Why did you watch the video?

[@joemachunda]

This matters because he preached to millions

[@mikekatz6024]

Only God can judge. Who do they think they are. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Acts16:31

[@nadiahope1175]

The crucial question is WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BELIEVE? .....Most likely NOT what you and many think and what this man is saying.

[@YellowCab76]

I bet these men on the stage have their own secrets.

[@BloodofChrist-jx8te]

If he believed on Christ alone for salvation then yes

[@2Chronicles714_]

If he lived like the unsaved then he will be cast into the lake of fire.

[@jordanmouw878]

@@2Chronicles714_Paul didn’t teach that. Paul talked about believers acting like babes. Drinking milk. Never growing. There are believers that don’t grow or grow very little. In many ways, there lives are similar to that of unbelievers or some unbelievers lives may even look better than some believers. That’s scriptural.

[@oetamsoetams6827]

Only a one-time belief in Jesus Christ for eternal life suffices!!

[@Be_An_Esther]

​@@oetamsoetams6827 That isnt scripturally cannon, not even close to what Jesus taught

[@Be_An_Esther]

​@@jordanmouw878 Paul was REPRIMANDING people for acting like children, NOT encouraging them to stay that way🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ That's the greatest Olympic reach I've ever witnessed, almost as bad as those who try to make Jonah 3:10 an anti repentance scripture when that entire book is about repentance and salvational mercy as a result of it 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@sunnyekm6351]

I respect dear saint of God, Ravi, I have a question for these self righteous people, the judgement panel. Why do you read and meditate, preach and be blessed through book of proverbs, written by king Solomon ?

[@phillipnoone8044]

I love this ministry that is based on the grace and truth of Jesus Christ! Thank you brother Bob!

[@shibuparayil5072]

Believe and behaviour goes together, if someone says I beilieve in God and does not live like a child of God, we can doubt his believe

[@elmerfudd1883]

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a NEW spirit will I put WITHIN YOU. I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and give you a heart of flesh. 27) I will put MY spirit within you, and cause you to walk in MY statutes, and you shall keep my judgements, and do them,

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death - in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life ?

[@johndavolta3124]

GES is Dispensational, so that passage in Ezekiel does not apply to NT believers.

[@mariecarey3514]

​@@johndavolta3124Grace doesn't mean you can continue in sin.

[@michaelkemmerer3130]

I get it, Commentors, but I think the significance of these thoughts by Bob Wilkin is so that we as Christians may continually examine ourselves with our relationship to Christ and our testimony to others. We certainly can't truly know what another man's spirit is to expect in the next life, but we should know our own.

[@rm2399]

It’s interesting hearing Calvinists doubt the salvation of Arminians. My experience has been opposite. I left a church cause the Pastor would vocally question, from the pulpit, that Calvinists were really Christians.

[@soljos1190]

Only those who believe in Him for what He actually Certifies (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) are born again with endless Everlasting Life ... according to Scripture .

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@@soljos1190 Only those who do what Paul said we must do will be born again. He nor the disciples preached John 3:16. Acts 20:21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they MUST TURN TO GOD IN REPENTANCE AND HAVE FAITH in our Lord Jesus Christ. You and Bob say Paul is wrong and John 3:16 is the message of salvation. Who should we believe?

[@amapola53]

​@@2Chronicles714_Jesus Christ

[@kluge4206]

I would rather be a wrong Arminian than a right Calvinist

[@Cliff_Simon]

At very least, one thing is absolute for sure: if he was indeed saved by grace, in the Millennial Reign, he won't be ruling any cities, but might be serving water for the 1,000 year reign. He will know and see what could have been. That's sad enough.

[@SolepaAmataga]

Only God can judge us because only his judgement is just.

[@4WithHope]

So are we saved because we persevere or do we persevere because we are saved?

[@ArnoldGamboaPH]

"And he was Arminian, right?" -- As if being Arminian dooms you to hell.

[@matthewashman1406]

I guess Wesley is stuffed then 😂

[@jesuguru2394]

In fairness, I don't think that was his point in context. Merely that consistent with Ravi's own theology, he would have believed that he could lose his salvation.

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with endless Everlasting Life ?

[@leahparker9033]

@@soljos1190 Do you mean "without works our faith is dead"? Because we perform because we're saved, not to earn salvation.

[@wawabbit]

​@@matthewashman1406 I just listened to some quotes by John Wesley. Apparently, he said he never believed. So strange.

[@seniorscientist590]

Okay, this is so weird. Yesterday I stumbled upon this video. I just realized this channel is same website I stayed up all night reading and loving the doctrine. So much I am in process of applying for seminary classes for more formal training, though I honestly don't know what I will learn because I have been studying scripture about 2 hours a day since 2016, when Lord opened my eyes to truth if gospel, eschatology, etc. Came out of reformed background to 100% pretrib premill, dispensationalist. Its what scripture teaches. Anyway, weird I stumbled upon the channel and completely unrelated went to your website today. That can't be a coincidence.

[@ConradoHdz38328]

We don't know. Salvation is personal. By faith alone. Not by works. There are a lot of Christians who did a lot of works that aren't saved. So who knows, worry about yourself.

[@cassiebennet4262]

Amen.

[@soljos1190]

​@@DannyLoyd So you never have the imputation of His PERFECT Righteousness short of Earning/Meriting/Being hopefully good enough till death/thus DESERVING ...the Unmerited , Unearned , Free & Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life ? Gotcha ... Infinitely better Vegas Odds of Winning the Boston Marathon after one's legs have been Amputated !

[@sandelamoses9701]

​@@soljos1190perfection is in the heaven.

[@FrankRios2b]

Only God knows! Not for anyone of us to say.

[@t.outpour]

O' wow, what legalism. Church attendance equals salvation???

[@nadiahope1175]

Outpour, in that l do agree with you....there are churches, and MANY of them, especially in our western world, l would rather never join one, and wouldnt endure one of their " services"

[@maxwaggoner823]

I wish every video I watch included a clear gospel message like this one.

[@movieman2693-r9z]

If Ravi Zacharias Has believed on Jesus Christ alone for Salvation, then he is home with the Lord regardless of what these leaders say! It would be these leaders whom I would question in regards to Salvation because they say that a person's lifestyle determines whether or not they where really saved! This is known as the heresy of Lordship Salvation!

[@johndavolta3124]

But if these "heretics" believed in Christ alone at some point then they are good to go too. So at the end of the day you never know who is unsaved really.

[@tomgarrison5313]

Without the Lordship of Jesus in your life, sorry, but there is no salvation. Those who live in sin and do not repent and do not make Jesus Christ Lord of their lives, they will be cast into hell. Jesus said, "Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity".

[@sunnyekm6351]

@@tomgarrison5313 for unbelievers. Grace started after the inauguration of the Holy Spirit

[@nadiahope1175]

If you can say that belief in lordship of Jesus for salvation is a heresy, You are perverting the Gospel of Christ and do not know WHO HE IS.

[@carriestout6422]

I used to support Ravi before finding out the horrid truth. I was so angry after finding out, I threw away his books. However, it's between God and Ravi of whether he asked forgiveness before he died. If Ravi repented to Jesus and meant this in his heart admitting that what he did to those women was wrong, and asked Jesus to please forgive him, I think he would be in heaven. None of us deserve what Jesus Christ did for us. None of us deserve God's grace. So, even though I do not know his destiny, I do hope he repented. I have asked Jesus to help me forgive Ravi for what he did to those women. I think that as the Church, we should help the women, but also seek to forgive Ravi for what he did. Jesus told us to forgive others as Jesus forgives us. I hope Ravi is in heaven.

[@GESvids]

*What Must I Do to be Saved?* - Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2HXiGenoLKGj7c Have you ever wondered what you must do to be saved or have everlasting life? Throughout time and in the Bible, people have asked this important question. Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society shares what the Bible has to say about this question, and what you should do if you want to know the answer.

[@GuaranteedGutters]

Brother Ravi is in heaven and I look forward to meeting him. ✝🛐

[@sunnyekm6351]

@@GuaranteedGutters 💯

[@MooJoo]

You don't know where Ravi is anymore than these pastors do.

[@jjphank]

@@GuaranteedGutters unless he repented at The very end, he’s in hell! He played God for a fool that should’ve resigned a long time ago 1 Corinthians 3:17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

[@MadhuMadhu-uo2oq]

are you sure , Ravi is in heaven ?

[@lbircher1]

Excellent video! Being involved in a local church today is not an easy task. My wife and I have searched many and have been left somewhat cold or frustrated. We have for the last 20 year have studied the bible daily. I.m 83 and my wife 72. We have a marriage in Christ that is wonderful. We know whom we believe in and are persuaded!! . I am a reformer and former Baptist Deacon prior to moving from Arizona to Tennessee. God bless your work!

[@maxc3470]

My sentiments entirely. I read the bible daily also and am alone. I am 76 and have tried the churches in my area and leave frustrated for many reasons. I hunger for fellowship and am always feeling guilty for not going to church, but churches have changed a lot from years ago when I was involved for many reasons. I would be so happy to find a fellowship where saints would long to meet together and not stampede out the doors when the service is over, where the Word was preached in balance and with respect and not with the lukewarmness that is apparent everywhere.

[@davhuf3496]

Not my call!

[@bryonstevenson1084]

The only wise comment I seen yet, everybody else is quoting this scripture and that scripture.

[@ben-str]

Yeah but you can practice discernment. Discernment of what is truth, what matters, what does not.

[@williamantila5262]

@@bryonstevenson1084 and sorry... but what is (his) scripture ? or yours ? how pointless is your opinion

[@whatarefriends4]

It’s because people are afraid other people are getting away with something. We all want justice for others and mercy for ourselves.

[@hanraddas9308]

John MacArthur just say it: "I think I am better than Ravi." Remember the Publican and Religious man at the temple?

[@davidslone9776]

The Bible says our righteousness is as filthy rags to God. So MacArthur is NOT better than Ravi. That was a false statement, on so many levels. He should know better than to say something like that. He lost any influence with me, when he said that. Our salvation is not of works, lest any man should boast. MacArthur boasted.

[@sandelamoses9701]

John is good as a pharisee .He should stop self righteous arguments.

[@sunnyekm6351]

@@hanraddas9308 purely self-righteousness. This guy John Mc is a calvinist, a big judgement seat

[@tatie7604]

@@hanraddas9308 It's a tough lesson.

[@tatie7604]

@@sunnyekm6351 Not all Calvanists are judgmental. In fact, they have no discernment. Look, what about the women he raped? No one cares about them.

[@penglim224]

The concern is that church leaders are true believers themselves or not; and they either influence the congregation to greater faith in the Lord or put a stumbling block that the congregation become lukewarm, worse, cold, or worst, non-believing Christians. It would be good to have a true God-fearing pastor or priest to strengthen the faith of the flock, where the congregation can observe that he has a strong relationship with the Lord Jesus.

[@richardwest7419]

Read Hebrews 5;9 obey Jude 5 then Hebrews 3;17 We must believe like children Children that believe obey

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life v? Thanks .

[@katarinanomadian737]

” Perseverance” is for a truly saved person not works but actual fruit: The consequence of being saved is a repentad heart and the good works that follow. No one is saved by trying hard enough to be good. It is only GOD who can change a heart.

[@mikekatz6024]

Didn't know church involvement saved us

[@justonetime112]

​@DannyLoyd the real church not religion

[@truthblitz7]

It does'nt, nevertheless we are commanded not to forsake the gathering together of believers.

[@mikekatz6024]

@@DannyLoyd the Church can't save me, Acts16 believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou salt be saved.

[@mikekatz6024]

No one can do it for you

[@pyrology101]

Finally, an accurate, biblical commentary on this whole Ravi Zach matter.

[@GrantasaurusRex]

ALL have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. That includes those now sitting in judgement on Zacharias. Take the plank out of your own eye before removing the splinter in your brothers.

[@aservant2287]

Those who endure until the end shall be saved Matt 24:13. We do good works because we are saved not to get saved or to keep it but if we are we will do good works

[@GESvids]

He Who Endures Will Be Saved (Matthew 24:13) November 17, 2020 by Bob Wilkin faithalone.org/blog/he-who-endures-will-be-saved-matthew-2413/ John asks this quality question: "“Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved” (Matt 24:12-13). You may have commented on these verses before, but I couldn’t find it.  It seems to support the idea of the perseverance of the saints." I’ve recently been in a discussion with a fellow DTS grad who takes a different view of the Olivet Discourse regarding the Rapture. I recently wrote a magazine article defending the idea that in Matt 24:36-44, the Lord discusses the Rapture. My friend, also a Classic Dispensationalist, disagrees. As I told him, the first 44 verses of Matthew 24 are difficult to interpret, and my position is certainly a minority position among Dispensationalists. The issue raised by John’s question may seem unrelated to the Rapture, but it is not, at least not in my opinion. The point in verses 12-13 is that some or even many believers will not persevere until the end of the Tribulation and hence will not survive those seven years. That is, they will not be alive at the end of the Tribulation but will instead have already died. The word saved in Matt 24:13 clearly does not refer to being born again. I have six proofs. First, this salvation is future (“he will be saved”). Salvation from eternal condemnation is a past event for the believer (Eph 2:8-9). Second, the condition for this future salvation is perseverance in good works, not faith in Christ. But salvation from eternal condemnation is by faith alone, apart from works (John 3:16; 6:28-29; Eph 2:8-9; Rev 22:17). Third, the only other use of the word saved in Matthew 24 refers to physically surviving the Tribulation: “unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved” (Matt 24:22). Fourth, the word save refers to deliverance from problems in this life over 70% of the time in the NT. Hence this is not a surprising use. Fifth, everlasting life cannot be lost (John 3:16; 5:24; 10:28-29; 11:26). Yet the people being mentioned are not only believers, but they are believers who loved God for a time, and then their love will grow cold. Compare Rev 2:4, “you have left your first love.” Sixth, perseverance in good works in the Bible is a condition of eternal rewards, which are not the same thing as having everlasting life (Matt 24:45-51; 25:1-13, 14-30, 31-46; Luke 19:16-26; 2 Tim 2:11-13; 1 John 2:28; Rev 2:26; 3:21). Here is how Matt 24:13 is related to the Rapture. All church age believers will be gone before the time discussed in Matt 24:4-35, which is the Tribulation. We know that in the church age, not all believers endure to the end of their lives in faithfulness (e.g., 2 Tim 2:12; 1 John 2:28). However, the Tribulation is a unique time in which 100% of the believers alive at the end will be faithful. Every unfaithful believer will have died. That is why at the Judgment of the Sheep and the Goats, 100% of the sheep (Gentile believers) can be identified by the way they faithfully treated Jewish believers (“the least of these My brethren”). If Matt 24:13 dealt with church age believers, it would not be a true statement. The idea held by many Calvinists and Arminians that Matt 24:13 is saying that only those who persevere in faith and good works will gain final salvation is not supported by Scripture. Though well-intentioned, that view actually promotes works salvation. Our eternal destiny became final the moment we believed in Jesus for it (John 11:26). For the believer, our salvation from eternal condemnation is already final. Thanks for the good question, John.

[@aservant2287]

@GESvids I didn't ask a question I simply stated scripture proving that believing is not just thinking Christ died for you. Faith without works is dead being alone, show me thy faith without thy works and I'll show you my faith by my works. We don't good works to keep our salvation but if we are we will work out our salvation with fear and trembling. We are saved by grace through faith lest any man should boast but if we don't continue in His goodness we will be cut off romans 11:22. If you don't obey it shows you're not saved. Anyone who says they know Me and doesn't keep My commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them 1 john 2:4. A gift isn't a gift if you don't receive it and you don't obey God it's obvious that didn't receive the gift. We haveto open the book and figure out what God has for us if not then we without chastising and are bastards. I love all Baptist but you you say yiu don't anything to receive a gift butif you don't continue and obey you haven't received the gift. Yes yiu can lose your salvation. 2 peter 2:20-22 for it would've been better not to have known the truth and obeyed to turn away from the Holy commandment given unto you for it's like the true proverb the dog has turned to his vomit again. There 80 scripture saying that one must take apart in obeying or be cut off from God. You seem to glean over them like they're not there but they are there regardless what calvinism has taught you.

[@GESvids]

Do You Fear a Dead Faith? - James 2:14-26 by Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2bTZpeMiqp9qbs Do you fear that a dead faith (faith without works) means that you do not have saving faith? In this video, Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society explains what is a dead faith in James 2:14-26. Is the Faith that Saves Ever Alone? - James 2 - Ken Yates kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5PQfnmfndeel9U A popular slogan for James 2 is "We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone!" Is this a biblical understanding of James 2? Ken Yates of the Grace Evangelical Society explains why this popular slogan explaining James 2 is wrong, and why a better slogan would be: "Works do not prove our faith! Works improve our faith!"

[@GESvids]

What Did Paul Mean by "Work Out Your Own Salvation in Fear and Trembling"? - Phi 2:12 - Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZyoZYaPrLZ-i8U What did the Apostle Paul mean by the expression "work out your own salvation in fear and trembling" in Philippians 2:12? Does the word, "salvation" in this passage mean eternal salvation or salvation of another sort? Bob explains how the word, "salvation" is used in Philippians, and shows what kind of salvation needs to be worked out for believers.

[@GESvids]

Does Romans 11:22 Teach That Salvation Can Be Lost? - Bob Wilkin & Ken Yates kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnjRZ4OaoaaCjaM Bob Wilkin and Ken Yates are answering a question about Romans 11:19-24. Romans 11:22 talks about being cut off. Is this about Salvation? What does this mean? To whom does it refer?

[@docbrown6797]

I backslid after my divorce for 10 years. I never questioned the deity of Christ, who He was and I knew I was wrong. It was a season and I came back. It's people that I see backslide, apostosize and never redirect that I question if they ever had saving faith.

[@GESvids]

Is Perseverance in Faith Required? Is Fruit Required to be Genuinely Saved? - Bob Wilkin & Philippe Sterling kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2W9g5h-jbWcjKs Bob Wilkin and Philippe Sterling are answering a question from an atheist about faith. What does John 3:16 say about believing? Is persistence of continuous faith required until death for a person to receive Eternal Salvation? When is the gift of Eternal Salvation actually received? Does a person have to demonstrate fruit to be genuinely saved?

[@n.d.6430]

@@docbrown6797 you came back .Ravi did not . Judas did not either

[@docbrown6797]

@GESvids I just don't know how someone could turn away and not come back after a season. The prodigal came back. I know people that "believed" John 3:16 who have been atheists for over 20 years and chide the church, trample Christ and ridicule believers. I have a hard time believing they ever were truly saved. This is my disconnect with GES theology. Just being honest. There is a whole counsel of God, not just the book of John.

[@docbrown6797]

@@n.d.6430 Judas was a son of perdition and he went to Hell. Period.

[@Richard-e5m]

The reality is we don't know. God and Ravi know, but that's it.

[@exdivorcelawyer]

John3:16… if you rely on this verse for salvation and continue a life of deliberate and repeated sin… grace cannot reach you… all demons believe… it is dangerous to select a verse out of context. But… one can repent at the end … thief at the crucifixion and parable of late workers and prodigal son.

[@GESvids]

Turn or Burn? - Do I Need to Repent of My Sins to Be Saved? - Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGjSm4Wvmqljeq8 Have you ever been told that you need to turn from your sins or you will burn in hell? Have you ever been told that you need to repent of your sins for salvation? Bob Wilkin looks at what one needs to do in order to receive everlasting life, and whether repentance is needed in in addition to believing in Jesus for everlasting life. Why Aren't Demons Saved If They Believe the Gospel? - Zane C. Hodges kzbin.infoDwJceWGMg9U Do Demons Believe the Gospel? - James 2:19 - Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4CTi32dn6eZb5Y Does James 2:19 say that demons believe the gospel? Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society looks at what demons believe. Is the faith of demons some how different from faith in other parts of the Bible?

[@exdivorcelawyer]

@@GESvids What of those to whom I say be gone I never knew you... but Lord, Lord we cast out demons in your name... there's a lot of belief going on there... what good is John 3:16 to these guys?

[@BloodofChrist-jx8te]

You preach a satanic false gospel

[@GESvids]

Why will Jesus tell many Christians, "I never knew you; depart from Me"? - Matt 7:21-23 - Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHOpoWRtqdlnbc0 Bob Wilkin examines Matthew 7:21-23 and answers the question, "Why will Jesus tell many Christians, "I never knew you; depart from Me."? Bob Wilkin will also answer the question, "How you can avoid hearing this response from the Lord Jesus Christ?"

[@luked3320]

@@exdivorcelawyeractually that verse is talking about relying on your works😂, belief on what Jesus did for you on the cross is all you need to enter the kingdom of heaven, the Bible doesn’t support any other way of salvation

[@sanjaymalwe3529]

How do we know if Ravi has repented or not. He may have lost many times in his struggle against hid flesh. But did anyone be saved because they had got their act together. If salvation is because a man is perfect, then it boils down to saving one self and not the work of the cross.

[@charlesrobert6211]

I don't know of any man slandered more after he died than Ravi Zacharias. I have yet to see one bit of physical evidence, film, recording, photo that would add legitimacy to the charges made against him.

[@davidslone9776]

But, but, but, you have MacArthur's word for it. What more do you want or need??? (I am being sarcastic, but serious).

[@kluge4206]

Exactly, why only after the man is departed do we hear about this,Ravi does not look like a man who could intimidate people into silence

[@oetamsoetams6827]

Amazing statement from John McA, "Is it possible..?" Unless he thinks believers of that tenure are expected to reach a sinless state then of course its not possible in his view. But if that were so then you would have to remove 1 John 1:8-10 - 2:1-3 from Scripture.

[@georgelugenalt200]

I guess there's no such thing as a wolf in sheep's clothing then. Who's going to tell the Lord?

[@sandelamoses9701]

Mc Arthur a hypocrite.

[@shereedre10]

mcArthur has a lot of nerve questioning Ravi’s destiny?

[@2Chronicles714_]

He's a true repentant believer who serves Christ as a disciple. All he has to do is believe in John 3:16 right?

[@soljos1190]

​@@2Chronicles714_ Repentance is works . Not faith . Are you Perfect in every conceivable moral/ethical/behavioral performance (works) category ? Gotta be to enter by means of a Textbook Oxymoron: "repentant faith" ...a non existent category . Only faith in Him for what He actually Certifies regenerates forever: John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 . On your 5 NECESSARY CO-CONDITIONS of working for the Free Gift of Endless Everlasting Life , you simply NEVER POSSESS His endless Gift without earning/ meriting it till you die . So , you're Objectively Never "saved" ...in this Life ! So , you Never have His PERFECT Righteousness given to you - Personally - apart from your Lifetime "Lifestyle" Performance Contract... ...the Must Necessarily be a 100% score to enter His Kingdom, because the ONLY Scriptural means of entering His Kingdom is by way of His imputed Gift (Romans 4:1-8) having finished all the work of Redemption on our behalf as the "Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world" . ... therefore it (eternal Justification before God) is by faith that it might be according to Grace that the Promise would be Certain" (Romans 4:16) . Whereas , all seeking to enter by one's Perseverance in Performance (works) never have access to His PERFECT Righteousness (the Free and Never Deserving Gift) in this life , nor into the endless ages of eternity .

[@PMM4JC]

Speculation is ridiculous and useless. Is Sampson in heaven? Jacob? Rahab? David? What a waste of time just so you make some money on KZbin.

[@dumpybear8664]

Ravi is my example for why I will not choose to get my teaching from "Celebrity" Christians". I thought he was different, until after his death and realized he was in it for him self. Looking back I never heard a clear gospel message from him. He was just a storyteller that used big words to get across simple points. As for his salvation all outward signs point to know, but there may have been a last minute realization as he battled cancer in his final weeks.

[@konroh2]

He gave a salvation message all the time.

[@firstknight117]

@@konroh2 His life and actions right up until his death said he didn't believe his own message. This wasn't just "he sinned once and turned his life around to follow Jesus so we aren't allowed to make any judgements." This occurred over a period of YEARS and if he had taken the Bible seriously, he would have STOPPED. And DON'T tell me this was just some gambling addiction and he couldn't help himself. Tell that to the women, girls and families whose lives he destroyed.

[@ZandJ12345]

@@firstknight117I believe certain things are wrong. And sometimes I still do those things even though I know they are wrong. Doing those things doesn’t mean I don’t truly believe. I don’t look at peoples lifestyle as to whether they are saved or not since salvation has nothing to do with works. I look to see what they believe about salvation to determine whether they believe or not. Your statement about him not believing because of his lifestyle makes me question your belief and shows me that you don’t seem to think salvation really is by belief alone apart from works

[@vicfirth5515]

​@@ZandJ12345If Jesus is really in you, the old one is gone, the new has come. You can't keep doing the worst sin like that if Jesus is in you

[@ericwong5891]

It is not for us to judge or to know. Most importantly is about us whether will we be meeting the Lord when our turn comes ....hor😊

[@jaredklug3502]

The man was human!!! He was a sinner!!! Jesus died for him. We cannot save ourselves. God saves poor miserable sinners by grace through faith.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Being born again means a change of direction of one's life

[@jaredklug3502]

@@2Chronicles714_agreed. But it doesn’t mean that one is never going to do wrong ever again. I hate my bad habits and I know that I can’t stop

[@geraldpolzinjr9670]

Is there a difference between, struggling with sin or practicing it ? Regardless, both are sin. Is one covered (by his blood) while the other isn’t ? Does it then depend on the persons performance? Paul did thing’s He didn’t want to do. Thus falling short, being a chief sinner. But Gods grace was sufficient enough.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Paul also warned about being carnal and explained how to overcome sin.

[@soljos1190]

What is it - specifically , precisely , without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life ?

[@sandelamoses9701]

​@2Chronicleswar714_ warning doesn't mean we reach perfection.

[@fredost1504]

Have heard the heretic Macarthur before but not the heretic Chou. Boy does he not know Scripture. Fortunately for Ravi, he was saved by grace through faith..Eph 2:8-9..But its likely safe to say he has lost most if not all rewards. BTW Bob, Hebrews 10:25 is the only Scripture I see that commands going to church. To me it is better not to go at all than to listen to the unscriptural swill coming from 99% of the American pulpits today.

[@graftme3168]

I can't imagine he lost all his rewards. I'm positive that God is much more generous than we can even imagine.

[@2Chronicles714_]

According to Bob all you have to do is believe in John 3:16 to receive everlasting life so pretty safe bet MacArthur believes in John 3:16 so he's good to go.

[@GESvids]

John MacArthur: Know You are Saved by Love, Humility, Obedience and Trials - Bob Wilkin & Mike Lii kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHWkdItmpcdsp6c Bob Wilkin and Mike Lii of the Grace Evangelical Society examines two videos from John MacArthur, one video from 1979 and another video from 2022. Both videos answer the questions of "What must I do to be saved?" and "How can I know for sure I am saved?" The answers by John MacArthur in 1979 are very different from the answers in 2022. Bob and Mike conclude that the Bible doesn't teach to look into ourselves for assurance but to look to Jesus and His certain promise of everlasting life to everyone who believes in Him for everlasting life.

[@firstknight117]

@@graftme3168 He preyed on and destroyed the lives of women and entire families for years and never stopped, then denied it ever happened. Are you going to tell them that the predator that hurt them will just have a great old time in heaven because God is a generous God and just forget about justice?

[@maxspringer01]

@@firstknight117 finally a sane comment! Thank you!

[@aridian7787]

“Ravi didn’t deal with the text…” HEY YO! He dealt with the questions that y’all are too cowardly to touch, ie..”why is there sin and suffering in the world.” And his answers make sense AND glorify God!

[@aliensojourner]

This video is absurd.

[@donajohanna]

Grace is absurd

[@soljos1190]

​@@donajohanna "Absurd" to anyone looking to their Perseverance in Performance (works) as an "infallible metric" to enter His Kingdom !

[@TheFightingSheep]

The LORD'S apostles warned about our times. Jude 1:4 KJV - For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, UNGODLY men, TURNING THE GRACE of our God INTO LASCIVIOUSNESS, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@davehorton1486]

@@donajohanna No, Grace is a Gift, nothing Absurd about that.

[@vanreichelderfer8053]

Samson is in heaven!

[@timothymcdonald7407]

Weren’t Razi and Johnny buddies? Only little Johnny can say. God has given Johnny the gift of judgment. Johnny condemns a lot of us to hell. Master Justin also has the gift of judgment. Justy y’all should have spoken up, if you knew he was bad.

[@MysteryOfFaithAndReason]

Beliefs do not save you. Jesus saves you. Ravi could’ve believed in Jesus, but without works, his faith was clearly dead.

[@GESvids]

Do You Fear a Dead Faith? - James 2:14-26 by Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2bTZpeMiqp9qbs Do you fear that a dead faith (faith without works) means that you do not have saving faith? In this video, Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society explains what is a dead faith in James 2:14-26. Is the Faith that Saves Ever Alone? - James 2 - Ken Yates kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5PQfnmfndeel9U A popular slogan for James 2 is "We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone!" Is this a biblical understanding of James 2? Ken Yates of the Grace Evangelical Society explains why this popular slogan explaining James 2 is wrong, and why a better slogan would be: "Works do not prove our faith! Works improve our faith!"

[@BloodofChrist-jx8te]

Works don’t save romans 4:5

[@shereedre10]

well said. Listening to these guys angers me with their self righteous claims.

[@shereedre10]

well said. Listening to these guys angers me with their self righteous claims.

[@MysteryOfFaithAndReason]

@@GESvids this is an evangelical heresy, not found in the Church fathers. It is a new doctrine, not an apostolic doctrine. You can’t just look at the text by itself, because anyone can make it say whatever they want.

[@terryburton6967]

Armenian does not mean they all believe you can lose your salvation.

[@AndrewPillay-xb9um]

We are the Church ❤

[@erfwise]

Amen my Brother Amen. Its so refreshing to hear you cut through all this "churchianity and self righteousness" from the body of Christ! These same "pastors" (oh how they love that title) should simply believe he words of Jesus Himself and not reduce their argument to the level of their "human(flesh) understanding) Thank God for Jesus(Grace Himself) Ephesians 2:8-9 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition 8 For it is by free grace (God’s unmerited favor) that you are saved ([a]delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God; 9 Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law’s demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.] -Grace is NOT a doctrine - but God Himself - If you have seen me?? then you have seen The father!

[@calebbowlin3993]

So if John 3:16 is it. I want to know. My grandpa was saved but died by suicide. Is he in heaven? Was that sin taken on the cross? My uncle had a very bad habit and died from a drug overdose of fentanyl. But he did accept Christ. He went to church. He was baptized. He read his Bible. My grandpa also went to church, read his Bible. They both accepted Christian before they died. Were those awful sins forgiven by John 3:16? Is believing enough? I know they believed it. By watching this video, it gave me a bit of hope for them. They were both good guys with bad habits. Someone help me out here. These issues bother me a lot at times.

[@SavedbyGrace-js8iz]

Without renouncing sin, even if you believe, you will not be saved (Acts 8:13-23).

[@rpminc1974]

According to the guys talking here in the video no one gets to heaven except for them !!

[@johnfletcher5782]

This video as well meaning as it is and I always appreciate debate and good hearted people is a good example of a scholarly argument and describes the fight we are in to “test our faith” as Paul challenged the Corinthians to do. There are two takeaways here I think that see important. First, there is an assumption that Christians cannot be involved in a sin that disqualifies us from salvation and even though this principle was alluded to in the Bible to say that his sin kept him from heaven would mean that the cross doesn’t cover all sin and also that Christians cannot commit certain sins which all of us hopefully would refute. Secondly this teacher sort of links Arminianism with maintained faith and though some do in that camp not all do so I certainly wouldn’t rage that arm of the faith with a works oriented salvation at all. So I would encourage everyone watching this video to conclude that really we don’t know where he is now and Paul to the Corinthians alluded to this insecurity when he did challenge us to test our faith for this very reason. If I have a sin in my life that I am actively hiding, engaging in, and consciously pursuing then it is reasonable to be insecure as to NOT if I know God because we know the demons do but does God know me. Many will be in heaven after entering eternity with these kinds of sin and theirs is the condition of losing reward as an eternal state and many will not ge there due to their conduct which demonstrates their not being known by God as His.

[@lmr1300]

I'm so glad you are wise!

[@Mercyme57]

The root brings forth fruit…in some slow to ripen in others quick to blossom quick to fruit. But regardless, the branches must be attached to the vine. Stay rooted.

[@gearbarrel6237]

I tried to listen to RZ over the years and always walked away thinking he doesn’t talk about his relationship to Jesus. The “belief” talked about by Jesus in John 3 is really about “relational faith”. Not simply agreeing with a Historical set of facts about the life of Jesus

[@GESvids]

Is "Saving Faith" More Than "Mental Assent"? - Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZPGdJJqopegpac What is "Saving Faith"? Is Saving Faith simply a persuasion, mental assent or conviction of the truth of the saving message, whoever believes in Jesus has everlasting life? Does Saving Faith require more than mental assent? Does Saving Faith require an additional step of commitment, obedience, or decision? Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society answers these questions and clears up the confusion regarding what is "Saving Faith". What Does It Mean to "BELIEVE" in Jesus? by Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKC3Z5-rjKusnaM What does "Believe" mean, when used in terms of "believing in Jesus"? Is there a special kind of "belief" or "faith"? What makes "believing in Jesus" saving? Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society answers these questions.

[@anilmendis7994]

Why the Audiance making a big laugh when the book suddenly dropped? If they are serious on what Mac Arthur talks about, there is noting much here to make a big hahahahaha.... Better they look at their inner being rather looking for where Ravi Zacariah is now.

[@kalvinflowers6178]

I am so proud of the comment section.

[@stefaniaslovat]

Some people don’t know the questions, let alone the answers… The question should be:,,will I get to heaven my self “? If I care about others if they get or went to heaven most probably I neglect my spiritual life so my getting to heaven is problematic

[@genetobin7403]

Read 1 John which is crucial when sorting 12:44 out who’s in and who isn’t! It will challenge everyone beginning with me! It’s a real eye opener!!! Be Blessed 😊

[@GESvids]

1 John: Testing for Salvation or Fellowship? - Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZy2aHiOequSiaM How can we know that we are Christians? Doesn't 1 John teach that there are certain tests that we must pass in order to know that we are truly saved? Or does 1 John teach those same tests are meant to gauge the quality of our fellowship with God?

[@genetobin7403]

@@GESvids I I believe as you read and study 1 John in its entirety that it clearly addresses both Fellowship and Salvation. God is clearly capable of doing two things simultaneously!!! Be Blessed my friend 😊😊😊👍🙏

[@hebroncharities8319]

Who are we to decide.

[@lsearls2]

You are spot on!!

[@JGK1977]

Not for us as humans to judge, that is all GOD's work. It is sad that the preacher that died made mistakes and sinned but not for us to judge.

[@arulraj3076]

...we do anything as we want on this earth, so the place which is reserved for people like Ravi is destined as he chose to live his life on Self. Judgement belongs to CHRIST JESUS ! I will get to to know the truth of his whereabout when I reach the shores of Heaven.

[@jiayouchinese]

Not true, that sounds gnostic. If we love Him we will obey His commandments. David repented in sackcloth and ashes of his adultery and was heavily chastised by God for what he had done, as no child of God will go unpunished on the Earth for what they do.

[@MusicChannel-rf5zz]

Thanks for the post. While the conclusion (Once saved always saved) seems a lot better than what was presented by John MacArthur & others on the different clip it is definitely food for thought for all of us. The clips seemed to emphasize on church going, which although should not be neglected, does not apply to all churches today unfortunately. There are many who love their ‘churches’ & attend regularly who are still not saved . Many churches have become like Jericho where they don’t go outside & evangelize the world & people outside are not able to enter in !Paul the apostle did not get stuck in a church but ministered in several churches & had fellowship with all of them. I guess RZ must have rated himself to the same standard of the apostles. He was a fantastic apologist & while he argued in support of God he also argued his way into sin by his profound reasoning. Christianity is more spiritual than limiting itself to human reasoning. When too much emphasis is given to the brain rather than the heart, we loose our bearings! The question is are we truly in love with God or in love with our theology, our churches, ministries etc.People who are rigid in their thinking sometimes get God out of the equation! What about MacArthur’s views on the book of Acts , baptism of the Holy Spirit ,miracles, signs & wonders ? Why aren’t folks talking about it anymore? Why aren’t people preaching the full gospel? What about the doctrine of eternal security? Is it worth taking the risk & continuing to live in sin? Lots to be considered in this debate! I hope RZ did not fall from grace despite his secret sins & I hope he had a moment like the thief on the cross who had a last chance at the nick of time. We would never know until we get to eternity.

[@CharlesVaughn-bm9gq]

What?! Chou’s answers a question not asked. Church attendance isn’t required for salvation. Only belief. Indeed, We are instructed to worship corporately.

[@dominicvesuin3140]

Who are you to decide someone's destiny? You'd rather worry about your own destiny.

[@philliproberts-bx6ec]

Let God do his job he will judge by the word.

[@lmr1300]

You are right on!!!

[@tkotgj]

So the Pharisees have spoken. Chou was so church-centric it's incredible he ignores the Apostes, Paul, and Wiliam Carey, John Wesley ( who 8:24 was kicked out of the Church) and others. The Truth is only God has the answer and Paul says he does not even judge himself. Who knows the heart of a man and the mind of God? Ravi is saved by God, by grace, not works...

[@4WithHope]

Good work are the evidence that salvation is genuine in the person’s life. Still there is no perfect person who obeyed at all times in every circumstance in word and thought and in deed. If we say, we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. But if we can confess our sins, he is faithful, and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[@danboone2592]

Ravi Zacharia spoke the the Morman Temple in Salt Lake. However, he did NOT say that Mormans were born again.

[@davidchester-smith1074]

They're not - it's a cult leading many precious souls to the lake of fire!

[@martinsjames4382]

Hb 6:4 "For it is impossible for those...verse 6 if they shall fall away,to renew them again unto repentance; seeingthey crucifyto themselves the Son of God afresh, and put himto an open shame ".

[@GESvids]

Can Christians Lose Their Salvation by Falling Away? Hebrews 6:4-6 - Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWOcl2NplNudmNU Is it possible for true Christians to fall away and become apostate? How do we properly understand the warning passages of Scripture?

[@rupnathbasumatary5625]

Why are you all so worried about him whether he is saved or not ? If he has already accepted LORD JESUS CHRIST as his personal Lord and Saviour then he is saved for all eternity no matter what. I think you should consider or think about yourself rather than debating about his salvation.

[@captainmarvel76927]

😂😂😂😂 ah the table of heretics and fools. Calvinist predouble destination fools who dare claim authority then denounce all. What a joke of a religion. No justice on earth for the victims, only divine evil.