Is Recasting Miniatures OK? | S1E1

[@TheFreezer33]

It would be neat to add pictures of the models that you are talking about that you painted, when you are talking about the "what we are working on section" on the youtube video. Could be a neat add to consuming the podcast on KZbin rather than simply looking at your two handsome faces talking the whole time. Keep up the great work guys.

[@alphacat4927]

I was thinking it would be better if they didn't show their faces at all.

[@TheFreezer33]

@@alphacat4927 Well, if you just want the voices, you can download the podcast. Having the KZbin video is a different way to consume the cast, but I feel like it would add more if they showed some stuff.

[@alphacat4927]

@@TheFreezer33 Ahhh man I was just goofing around Don't take it seriously I really love what you guys are doing I think its funny content and very informational.

[@justsomedude7583]

+1 for having some added visuals/relevant images up for the youtube versions of the podcasts

[@BlackMagicCraftOfficial]

Why the heck would a British company use the British Imperial System? MADNESS!........LOL, love you guys. But extra points for remembering Canada exists 👍

[@cyagen9782]

I think that it is the results of the game having being designed originally in the 70s when the metric system was not completely established in the UK. A little bit like in Canada where our parent still think in imperial. Or it is just that the Brits are weird...they still use stones as a weight measurement system….

[@the23flavors]

a small plastic mold injected piece being 25mm (almost an inch) makes sense, as designed for a Machinist working in Europe. A 30" weapons range makes sense to use with the far more common imperial tape measure used by carpenters around countries that still use lumber that comes in Imperial dimensions.

[@georgemiller2917]

In the UK we still have a strange mix of Imperial and metric measurements. Tape measures and rulers have both scales on them. One of our odd units of measurement is for body weight, for metric users is Kilograms, for those of an Imperial nature it seems to be pounds, but what do us brits weigh ourselves in? Stones! And before someone asks 1 Stone=14 pounds or 6.35kgs. I just had to check that out because as a 40yr old Scot I had no idea😂😂

[@bencarter9044]

We use both metric and imperial. As a general rule of thumb, we use imperial measurments when guessing or when we don't need to be precise, but use metric for important things or when we want to be very accurate. Which is why we tend to use stones for general bodyweight measurement, but when working out bmi or bodyfat% we use metric measurements.

[@abehme]

Wtf do they think their measuring system comes from? 😂

[@shawnhilliard]

I've been a huge fan of both your channels and have watched a dozen or more of TUP episodes but now I'm going back to the beginning to watch every episode from S1, E1 forward. I find this content really comforting to listen to while painting AND while report writing for work. Thanks for the content!

[@GoobertownHobbies]

#Hype!!! It's working well on the Podcast Addict app for me.

[@AngelGiraldeZ]

Wow guys! I really appreciate your beautiful words, I'm very surprised☺️. I would like improving my English so I could film videos in English and Spanish,or I should have two channels 🤔.... I don't know it yet. Someday We could make a collaboration..😏, next year I'll be at Gencon

[@trappedunderplastic]

Are you planning on coming to Adepticon?

[@AngelGiraldeZ]

Trapped Under Plastic maybe 🤔, first I have to ask my sponsors, will you be there?

[@Ninjon]

Scott and I will be there! Let’s have tapas and ride bikes!

[@AngelGiraldeZ]

@@Ninjon ok bro :)

[@AngelGiraldeZ]

@Nick Smith thanks a lot, now I'm a freelance and I can work with differents companies and I can offer new styles!

[@Haanzer]

You know, I'm with you guys for the most part in the argument but I think you treat the comparisons to piracy a little bit lightly - like, recasting miniatures is pretty much the exact same as buying bootleg CD's from some guy down the car boot sale was in the 90s, which was still piracy. You're still getting a product (albeit with less bells and whistles in packaging) that largely does the same job (except issues caused by replication), and some third party is profiting from it, potentially at the expense of the original producer. It's weird that you kind of brush that off as "yeah, okay, I totally get pirate movies" while still ultimately ending with an "absolutely not" stance on recasting. Now I'm not saying whether recasting or piracy is good or bad or justifiable or not, but what I am saying is it's the exact same issue, and saying "recasting is always bad" while also admitting to pirating music or movies but justifying that by saying "you buy a lot of movies too" doesn't really work - if you can justify pirating music or movies or books with also buying legitimate books and movies and music, then you can justify buying recast miniatures by saying "but I mostly buy genuine miniatures". Yeah, there's some disparity in terms of "can miniatures take the loss of sales as easily as Hollywood" and there's also that you're more likely to consume the same movie several times (thus more likely to buy a genuine copy to replace the pirate one) but it's close enough, IMO. Again, I'd like to reiterate that I'm not saying I'm for or against recast miniatures here, but I think it's also worth considering how many people will be strongly against recast miniatures while having no issue getting pirate PDF copies of wargaming rulebooks, codices/battletomes, Black Library eBooks or audiobooks and so on and so forth - which, again, is sort of the same thing. It's getting the output of a content creator without the original creator getting anything in return. All the same arguments there of "the book codex should come with a download code" or "it's ridiculous they don't get updated with FAQ changes" or "I buy so many other books from Black Library" or "they're too expensive for what you get" have very close parallels to arguments for buying recast miniatures. It's just an interesting part of the conversation that always seems to get left out in my experience.

[@CoryCollects]

If GW/Forgeworld doesn't produce that model anymore for whatever reason, I'll buy the recast of that model instead because they are not making money out of it since that miniature is out of production and by doing this I'm not hurting anybody.

[@vicurencu]

That's what they also said in first podcast :) cheers

[@davidbrown4849]

Yes, you are breaking their copyright. It's up to the copyright holder to decide if something's on the market - in this case I guess they are marketing new stuff and want people to buy that - so you are (from their perspective) denying them a sale albeit of a new or different item. Just because you want something doesn't give you some moral right to have it.

[@MikeTheGamer77]

they aren't hurt by you buying the recast either. Don't kid yourself into defending them.

[@TheSixYardBox]

That's just not true dude. I wanted mk2 marines for my army, they don't do them anymore so I settled for plastic mk3 from someone selling them on ebay.

[@reidosolin9797]

@@davidbrown4849 I quite literally don't care about what the million dollar company says. If they wanted my money, they would have made the product. It is my hobby, so I choose how my plastic pieces look, what they are made of, and where I get them from. If they want it so bad, they can come and take it from me.

[@konkoly5183]

Their (GW's) operating margin is around 41%. Take that as you will, but I think it's pretty clear that their constant price hikes is very greedy. I've just started to 3d print stuff at this point.

[@stephenkay3941]

Can confirm that in Britain we use both - often at the same time. We buy 2"x4" wood by the metre for example. Madness

[@biowiener7825]

i was so confused on my 3 week vacation there

[@trolleymouse]

You guys basically stumbled upon the subject of Abandonware.

[@Donmegamuffin]

11:57 Nah, biggest target audience was always the UK, but during Warhammer's inception, the full populace's crossover to metric wasn't complete (and still isnt somewhat) and for common small approximate measurements, things were still measured colloquially in Imperial units We still use miles, and most people still refer to themselves in feet and inches, and some use stones and lbs for weight, but metric is far more predominant now than GWs first game launches! Also, arguably everybody is now used to the ol' 6inch move and "15cm move" might seem a bit weird to many that are used to it and have been for 20-40 odd years!

[@Donmegamuffin]

12:38 lol, ya got me

[@SHO0WO0]

I don't buy recast models, but if I need 20 beaky helmets I'm going to cast my own.

[@mandzakminiatures]

Happy to see this come to life. In an alternate reality: Jon and Scott of TUP discuss what kind of food can be found trapped under plastic, also short for tupperware.

[@jmormaple]

I'm glad at the end of the recasting thing you guys said "don't do it this is why" because I was honestly starting to wonder if it was that bad with some of those justifications. There are multiple things in here I'd really like to hear a greater exploration of now that I've got it in my head though. There is a much different conversation to be had about any problems coming from pay to win nature of things if the extra expensive forge world models provide a significant enough advantage in tournament play with no cheaper alternative. Also, the conversation about pirating things that the creators no longer sell for whatever reason, such as TV shows that aren't on any streaming nor in physical copies (Shaolin Showdown being one of those for a while) is an interesting one to explore. Thirdly just any limited edition selling and the environment for the average fan that creates. Nintendo amiibos being a big company example.

[@allhailminiatures3028]

You majestic lords of the paint are giving me the much needed calming noise too get me through painting my commisions

[@jtyler3196]

Being a try-hard, metalhead miniature painter myself, this channel speaks volumes to me. glad you guys finally got the podcast stuff figured out. Im starting @ ep. 1 in mid 2020 after taking a break from the hobby.

[@EwokPanda]

And obviously, Skaven are New York.

[@EricHonaker]

Holy mackerel, I just realized I can use my wife's Cricut to make stencils for minis! Episode one pays for itself in one sentence. :) Oh, and regarding units of measure, trying to use made up units usually breaks immersion. You end up having to do mental conversions for every mention of distance or weight or whatever, and interrupts your mental immersion.

[@dwarven_dad]

Your home star runner reference did not go unnoticed. Great stuff.

[@Hynesight2020]

You most definitely should have an agreement with your artist removing any grey area as to whom owns the concept. If it's yours you can do whatever with it. If its him, he can sell it to whomever and they can do whatever they want with it. If this is an avenue you're serious about going down you should look into retaining a lawyer. There is a entire field of law devoted to patents, IP, trademarks, and copyrighting. My wife actually works for one such firm.

[@Bob-ex7rd]

Lol, the Darth Vader bit. No one cares about copyright as long as it sticks it to Disney

[@EnterTheFenix]

Recasts: GW/FW is essentially encouraging it in places like New Zealand and Australia, where they add to the RRP of their items with no justification.. regular GW products cost 66% more ( and no, shipping doesnt cost that much )... Forgeworld has huge variation, but an example.. the Cerastus Knights from FW cost $500 NZD, the Acastus knights cost $860! .. a regular Gw knight/castellan costs $220/$330 NZD... a recast knight cost $80 .. and its better quality in every aspect compared to forgeworld (better resin, better durability, better casting quality, paint and glue adhere to it, doesnt need washing etc etc), and only slightly behind the GW plastic knight in overall quality. when GW/FW show only contempt to their customers, why would they expect the customers to have loyalty to them?

[@willdunn8846]

EnterTheFenix it’s absurd down here!

[@shannonrobertson2165]

I completely agree with this comment. Why should we be paying that much more for the same product. Its a joke. I refuse to buy genuine FW for this reason. I still buy genuine GW but I will not support FW and their outrageous pricing!!!!

[@danwilkinson5239]

F greed workshop in the A

[@Caladors]

Was looking for this comment. I wanted to do some terrain piece and I found out I could buy RETAIL from the UK have my mate send it down to me via the post and it would STILL cost less. That is how I discovered recasting, I never would have looked for if it was sold at a reasonable price

[@adoseofpain]

Please either censor every swear word or don't censor any... preferably not censoring any!

[@jeremiahbachmann3901]

Unless its done in an artistic way, censorship is bad

[@Ninjon]

Thanks for the feedback! In editing of these first episodes we came to a similar conclusion, and are going to work on a solution that folks will agree with.

[@adoseofpain]

@@Ninjon Glad to hear it. I hope to hear delightful curse words in the future lol

[@TheCobraReport]

just discovered this was a thing, you need to advertise this on the Miniac channel, great show, keep up the good work

[@jasonsavage2865]

You guys are a wonderful breath of fresh air! I'll be happily forcing my friends and co-workers to hear your ramblings with me. Keep hitting it out the park guys!

[@hobbyhuman9499]

@34:00 I think one of the reasons why KDM doesn't do more mass production is merely the nature of Resin casting. Resin has a curing time, and it's not like injection molded plastic where you can just production line everything super fast. I think you have to batch cast resin, and so the output is dependent on the number of simultaneous molds you can do at once.

[@Bluecadet1987]

What is you opinion on the 3d printed marketplace? there are more and more files available to print and some are very close if not direct copies of other companies I.P. mostly GW. Does this fall under the same bracket?

[@BeyondtheRecord]

scott throwing shades for the contrast event at gw had me in tears

[@wyrdhunter]

One example of recasting models for a dead IP and the dissolved company was Rackham's Confrontation figures. The current Legends of Signum began as recasters, from what I understand, of the defunct Rackham models. When another company picked up the IP then Signum stopped producing Rackham and continued making their own IP, though still highly inspired by the old Rackham style. I do think there's a gray area when it comes to dead/dormant IP.

[@hellodave93]

I think the reason we see so many 'Limited Edition' models is simply down to stockroom space. No business wants old stock lying around taking up space. I think company's such as GW probably have a release schedule which is greatly based around stock rotation.

[@NattyIce553]

Does Amazon have recasts? They are only a few dollars cheaper on there

[@lucas23453]

Its like what another commenter said, if you want 20 beaky helmets cast your own, if you want 300 puritiy seals print off 300 purity seals. Once you have moved into 3d printing you already accept you can't play tournaments, but who even wants to play tournaments when the only winners are the whales who can buy better armies than you? 3D Printing and STL's are the future of miniatures, and I would honestly rather play a completely different wargame than pay GW prices for a game with less balance than a lead hammer. Im sticking with Reign in Hell and Stargrave thank you very much.

[@naphaneal]

Will there be hoodies in the merch store?

[@bencarter9044]

In the UK we use both imperial and metric. ^^

[@Monkeyman12534]

I think it's because inches are a much easier unit to say like movement 3 or 5 rather than 86mm or somthing

[@naphaneal]

@@Monkeyman12534 you say 9 centimeter instead. No one uses millimeter for distances, unless it's a blueprint in engineering or taking precise measurements.

[@wallpello_1534]

Imperial should only be used in Starwars games

[@cabe_bedlam]

And nuln oil comes in pints. It's how GW stays afloat, 115 quid a throw.

[@bencarter9044]

@@cabe_bedlam oh good God 😂😂 I'm surprised GW hasnt started selling paint flavoured snacks and drinks seeing as how many people lick their brushes with paint on it 😂

[@stephensprague4376]

This is the first time I watched this podcast show thing, and personally, I love it!

[@zachdevenney1307]

You guys work well together and clearly enjoying working together. The recasting issue completely caught me off guard. I don't play the games, only paint the models, was clueless that the models I purchase from the Russian dudes on eBay, was a bad thing. Are they all rip offs because I have never seen some of them before?...….. Scott, stop playing with the damn microphone, the audio levels are fine, you are just fidgeting it with it......good job.

[@MrSJPowell]

Here's a question I've considered recently: If the model range doesn't have exactly what you want (In my case the Amalia Novena base with the Sacred Rose emblem) is it okay to 3d print it? Is it then okay to print that in mass for an entire army? Personally I'm fine with it, because I've paid for the original mini, and GW doesn't make it available beyond that one piece.

[@joeharvey8255]

How often do you accidentally clean your brush into your beer and then drink it without hesitation? I’m at 1 out of 4 brush clears. Hobby goals for the year include: paint while sober more, skip middle man and eat paint right off the brush to be cooler. Thanks for the rad videos!

[@gfyracing7632]

I have had to drop out of table top wargaming at the level I enjoy due to the price of the games and life in general. I honestly feel the popular games are price gouging the cost of the models. The fact that the rules change every few years and can require more of an investment just to keep an established army legal not to mention all the updates they do making armies uncompetitive.

[@timheffernan4303]

only time I've ever hear a home star runner reference !! killing it guys love the pod cast

[@RougeTrader-86]

We buy fuel in pence per litre but measure efficiency in MPG.

[@santiagolozoya4940]

@@Badgertron2009 there are different gallons..... my life is a lie

[@jessetaylor6424]

You guys have been going to the wrong recasters. Good recasters do BETTER work than FW. Hands down. Good recasters use good resin, no smell, easier cleanup, etc

[@aaron527]

I'd love to try a good recaster. Any recommendations?

[@jessetaylor6424]

Aaron if someone wanted more information I’ve heard it was a good place to email ILoveChinaCast at gmail dot com

[@docvaliant721]

Agreed my stuff looks excellent and everyone that has actually got recasts have the same experience.

[@madonnadove]

Can you publish photos of miniatures, if you paint them and make your own diorama?

[@adrianalvarez9069]

Just watching this 2 years after it came out. I am from Spain and we used to measure warhammer movement in centimeters. Even the translations to Spanish of the codexes, army books and all rule books included all movement attributes and rules in centimeters. It wasn't until (I believe) late 2000s that we started using inches

[@benfosbraey6488]

It’s a weird one, everything is metric when you’re at school (I left over a decade ago) but as soon as you leave it’s imperial distances. We haven’t moved from mph so it’s stayed inches, feet and yards in sports too. Similar when talking weight as well. I think the only full change is liquids though I could be wrong.

[@sieferzeed]

I think the Blanchitsu style is emulating the way John Blanche paints his minis which resembles his art from paper/canvas.

[@emilymegan40]

Yay Jon is going to be paid in more than chicken fingers haha! Already signed up for Patreon, going to watch the extended later:) Are you guys going to add the ladies comfort tee option on teespring?

[@Miniac]

Yes, we definitely can!

[@emilymegan40]

@Miniac my bewbs and I thank you 😂

[@Ninjon]

Emily, yer the bestest!

[@hedasker4760]

Ossiarch Bonereapers are nothing like Tomb Kings. They match the current Nagash model. I don't see mummies and Egyptian stuff which were the essence of Tomb Kings.

[@joshwhite2648]

Hey guys! Just found this (watched Miniacs latest video where you blindfold guessed 40k models) - is the name of the podcast a play on the band Trapped Under Ice? Keep up the good work, got something to binge now!

[@codydaigle5165]

From what I know about D&D it started as a bunch of wargamers making house rules to have stories for like hero characters. I could also be full of shit so, there's that too

[@B143DP]

Warhammer was originally made so that people having all their D&D mini collections could come together and battle their collections. Warhammer came after D&D Minis were popular, over time GW made their own system and unique models specifically for their newly called tabletop gaming system

[@wolfkaulen82]

Love it! This made my workday so much better :D Thank you!

[@oskar6661]

There's a significant caveat that was left out of the discussion and it's a weird one to consider. When I started selling products - one of them was both print and PDF...and I asked a fellow designer what he thought about the pirating risk, and he answered simply: "If someone is going to pirate your PDF...they were never going to buy the game anyway" and that's shockingly true. I no longer player 40K, etc...but let's say I go and buy a $35 super dreadnought from a recaster...and the FW option was $125. I was never going to ever buy that $125 model from GW - even if recasts didn't exist. So GW isn't losing money in that example - though a questionable third party is gaining some. I feel that way when I saw people in the local community show up with Chinese-cast titans...those kids were never - ever - going to buy a $1,700 Forgeworld model, etc. It made it a bit easier for me to cope with the idea of someone pirating my own work.

[@AJDeLaRosa]

Can anyone clarify the artist "M. K." that was mentioned? I really want to see the model/card comparison.

[@Gh0st713]

mark kontaroos miniatures

[@AJDeLaRosa]

@@Gh0st713 Thank you, I appreciate it.

[@AJDeLaRosa]

@@Gh0st713 Hmm I can't find anything with that name. Do you have a link?

[@Gh0st713]

@@AJDeLaRosa www.mkontraros.com/

[@AJDeLaRosa]

@@Gh0st713 Thanks, again!

[@bigdave4859]

Personally I think recasting can good for business. I buy a legitimate codex/battletome from gw to use with my recasts. I buy GW paints use on my recasts. I wouldn't buy a full legitimate 30k army from Forgeworld but I will spend the £40 on the books. Would I buy the books if I didn't have a recast army? No. Obviously I wouldn't but gw/FW have received some money from me that I wouldn't have paid if I didn't have a recast army. I do agree that when things are no longer available from the manufacturer (Warhammer fantasy range) then I will get them from a recaster guilt free.

[@finkmonkeyful]

Love the show! I think recasting is not okay. It is unfortunate that it is hard to stop. I feel bad for the artists who are getting their work recast.

[@alphabassist]

Your talk of the Warhammer Fantasy world got me curious, so I looked it up, and apparently there’s a region that’s just literally regular Japan. Even called Nippon.

[@johnbruce4004]

IP is tricky but simple agreement with sculptor says you purchase not only figure but all rights to modify, adopt or adapt it and rights to produce it and sell it on. Space Marine was already in common usage. If not in production then not an issue. Say in your weekly shop do you buy Oreo or the supermarket own brand version - is that impengining on IP?

[@Gh0st713]

The Sergio space wolf sculpt was based on a Paul Bonner painting. It was sculpted by Jauquin Palacios he has some amazing sculpts he also sculpted the miniature that got second place at the 2019 crystal brush.

[@adamb3455]

The UK is "officially" metric but distances are still usually measured in Imperial as well as construction materials.

[@Ogrekin]

Loving the show. Wish I had seen it a few months ago.

[@shannonrobertson2165]

love the podcast guys!!

[@eingames9931]

As for your own fig with the copyright/IP rights- there are hoops you have to go through. Usually there is a registration process with the government. Then there is watching the market yourself to see if anyone is stealing the IP. And then there is a seace and desist warning. And last a lawsuit. All along this lawyers are involved and cost a lot. So is it worth it to protect the IP of your 1 fig and lose all your money along the way?

[@maverickman6486]

Recasting is in that inbetween place between "Harmony Gold copyright hell" and true copyright infringement. Recasting for yourself is not illegal. Recasting a direct copy of another company's model and then large scale sale is illegal. However, if said model is a small percentage changed, then it is no longer copyrighted. Further, in US lawyer loving society, companies, "disny" have extended copyright to a ridiculous time length. Another grey area that is coming is scanning and 3D printing your own models. It will be soon when 3D printers will become viable for this.

[@drathlor]

Ok, I have been flagged for recasting parts on a facebook group, when all I do is buy 2nd hand models, then make salamander cloak parts using instamold and greenstuff to make my cloaks to cover my tanks, however I own all the parts I am copying, also with some 2nd hand models I find parts that are missing, so I make a copy using greenstuff and my instamold. Is this recasting or not? I mean, I own it all, and all the actual models are GF/FW, the extra parts I made over many hours (2 years into my army now - 300 odd marines)?

[@CrazyMakerNerd]

British guy here... yeah we have a stupid mix of measurements now. It should all be metric. We also use Miles instead of KM....

[@MikeTheGamer77]

I've bought recasts. In the 10 times I've bought recasts, 8 of those 10 were the same or higher quality. In one case, I was able to get an upscaled version of a KDM mini that isn't an actual thing offered by the creator. Adam deserves all the shit he gets for making everything in such limited amounts.

[@thedabblingwarlock]

Regarding IP laws, I would strongly recommend talking to a copyright/trademark attorney about this. One of the things y'all would need to do is register the IP with the appropriate offices before taking legal action. There's a lot of misinformation out there and a lot of confusion about what you can and can't do with someone else's work. The best way to protect yourself and your property is to make sure you have a good attorney on your side that is giving you good advice and following it. Note that I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice, and all I'm doing is trying to encourage y'all to educate yourselves on this very, very complex and misunderstood topic.

[@Hamun002]

The giant bug thing I want is very nice but I'm not spending a month's rent on it. Even a couple of years ago Chinacast isn't that bad. It smells bad because the mold remover they use is different from GW Finecast, and in both cases you would need to wash the model in soap and water anyways to clean off that mold remover in order to actually base coat the model so the paint sticks correctly.

[@tikid6387]

Yo as a KD:M fanboy , def wanted to clarify a bit- anything with game content/produced in plastic is (ostensibly) always kept in stock since the molds for those are $$$. Gold Smoke Knight is the boss of the updated core game so you can’t buy him piecemeal. Limited run resins are largely a way to justify keeping the modellers and Lokman working while the design team cranks away at next waves of expansions, and pull in revenue every month or so. It creates a really frustrating aftermarket and stampede to the store every single time, but it at least doesn’t interfere with the game half of the hobby. Poots def leaves a lot of money on the table through easy to address issues, but probably still pulls in more gross revenue than most indie/boutique model runs out there.

[@Tinfoil-Hats-Music]

That moment where Scott hears "if you make a vast catalog" and he's just like "I should do that"

[@davidsummerhayes3719]

Wasn't there a quote from Twin Peaks 'wrapped in plastic' (when the first murder victim is found). I thought the title might have been a rift of that?

[@Miniac]

It's inspired by metallica's "Trapped Under Ice".

[@konradson]

A couple of weekends ago, you could find Ángel Giraldez at Vallejo's Stand in Freak Wars (Madrid, Spain). Vallejo had a contest/draw, of a miniature (or something else, I can't remember), You only had to take a pic with Ángel, or any other of the painters in their stand to go on with it... You have to see that Vallejo is a Spanish company, like Ángel... so, I guess that it was Vallejo who throw the rod to trap him, before Scale75, Mig, AK or Green Stuff World did it (all of them Spanish Companies). And we are a very small country ... but full of very good companies...

[@JoyousKn1ght]

Dang doing my Tomb Kings dirty

[@Slaneshhhh]

How did I not know about this series before?!

[@JohanCody]

A good analogy for recasting limited edition minis is "abandonware games". Big companies (think EA, Activision, Etc) have stopped supporting and selling their old games. Games like Battlefield 1942 cannot be bought from EA or on steam, and even if you find the old disk it won't work. If you want to play Bf1942 today, you have to download a bootleg version online. The Bf Official Board Moderators even point people looking for Bf1942 to find bootleg copies!

[@robertdesmond3232]

Love the post cast!, just started watching Angel Giraldez on facebook a couple weeks ago xD

[@ausj3w3ls]

With using inches for games, I think it's just because counting and measuring a smaller number is easier... much better to roll for as well.

[@james.black981]

Love the dropped dice Language filter! 🤣🤣

[@yaboyzzz9098]

I think that a lot of people will reason that if the price of the original is too high, they will go for a recast. It just makes sense for some people.

[@adron1261]

The UK region is mixed measurements. inches and cms used for different things.

[@BeyondtheRecord]

it never occurred to them that the imperial system comes from England and that was hilarious

[@ishnifusmeadle]

Resin dealer.....well shit, you aint gotta toke on that, i dont even smoke and im sure i could find ya some bud ;). I personally dont have any issues, but im relatively poor, and fairly new to the 40k scene (tho i enjoyed fantasy for a time). I actually havent bought any recasts. Ive made plenty of bits myself tho. Couple whole models. Could see buying elsewhere tho. Course, maybe if i become more of a GW fanboy maybe my feelings on that issue will change. Anyways, i enjoyed the format of the cast. Was almost like being there in person. Keep it up and good luck with future episodes.

[@the_hybred648]

So close to achieving my trapped under plastic challenge! Watching atleast a video everyday. On video #43

[@bristlebauss78]

I'm ordinarily 100% against recasting, big GW fanboy, don't even like 3rd party parts on ma geedubz models and as an artist I would hate if someone else made money off of my work...BUT....a couple years ago I really wanted to paint the death guard forgeworld dread with the flesh banner for my army and I put money by each week to get one, but when I went to buy it it had been discontinued. A couple of years later my partner got a recast of it on on ebay for me as a present from our kids for fathers day, I still feel a bit guilty but I had tried to get an original but couldn't. Also, the recast was heavily flawed and I had to resculpt chains and skulls and other bits all over the place so I feel like I got some punishment to satiate my guilt lol long story short, I don't condone or encourage it because I believe the companies, no matter how big they are, still need the support of the consumers or they fail and their concept artist, sculptors, painters suffer from it. People might just see a big greedy corporation but they've got a lot of talented people to pay for stellar work.

[@Cynder44]

Exactly, I accdiently bought a recast once. Threw it away immediatly after, couldn't deal with the guilt I felt from owning one. I don't ever want to encourage this sort of theft.

[@sirdrakey]

Stealing an 2D IP to make 3D! It's like a Taranto movie! Yeah he did a lot of work on his movie, but it's still parts of an older movie! When is a copy a homage vs lazy? It's tough and I am glad you guys are talking about it instead of "copy bad!" Remember that copyright commercial in the 90s "You wouldn't download a car?" Well now you can! So thank you for talking about it!

[@jameshugo5891]

the dark mechanicus maintain the titans and are very organisation focussed, dont know how that affects the possessed titans etc but it makes sense theyd keep identity markers clear.

[@jameshugo5891]

they couldnt get space marine, but could get adeptus astartes.... the same with imperial guard n the astra militarum name change thing

[@jameshugo5891]

id agree, the only time i think recasting is ok is if your recasting your own brick to make a wall XD i mean id use my 3d printer. but some people still go clay to resin mould etc

[@jameshugo5891]

i suppose thats not recasting as u made the original piece yourself... foot... shot... ouch!

[@mattbecker4514]

And Tolkien should have had his ass sued by the ancient mythologies of the world

[@eyeofterra875]

43:30 this is the same reason i will buy a recast 30k Ahzek ahriman model since the burning of prospero box doesn‘t exist anymore

[@bogatyr2473]

As far as I'm concerned once the original company stops making the model it's open season. Second hand market like eBay is immaterial because the original company doesn't make a penny off those sales.

[@Wulf6491]

So I know this is an older vod, but I feel another really good comparison in the "for" column, is Anime. A ton of anime, and other TV shows, cartoons, etc, end up getting dumped, a huge example is Gundam. So it gets pirated a lot because... you cant buy it. Like Bandai namco does not sell the majority of that series, at all. I want to give them my money, I want to own that series (I still dont... not even torrent, but anyway) but I cant because they dont sell it! Old comics, old manga, older movies, tv shows, books, old dnd books are really hard to find, and are not sold anymore. Basically, like, there are tons of things that just are not available anymore, and sometimes pirating is the only way. All that being said, you justify pirating movies, while vilifying recasting. IMO they are the same thing. You can pirate an anime, and sell it, or you can pirate (recast) a model, and resell it, same thing. The American anime business nearly went completely under a few years back because of pirating, i mean DEAD as in no anime at all, and it was because of the "Victimless crime" of pirating. I do pirate, not a lot, like hardly at all, but I do, but I am just pointing out different view points.

[@dakkawaaagh13]

episode numbers in the title would be helpful

[@trappedunderplastic]

Done!

[@sitpaintandplay3881]

I'm absolutely blown away by how fame affects people's view of your commentary on this. I did a video on this exact same subject outlining all of the same things you're talking about, with the same points. The amount of down votes I got was staggering, because no one wants to hear that it's wrong that they are purchasing recasts, at the end of the day plain and simple it's theft and damaging to the company overall. Either way good discussion fellas.

[@LumberingTroll]

Love this content guys! Keep it up!

[@pigspigs76]

What's the deal with this thousand sons painting thing

[@RavenforTea]

SO MANY podcast producers don't publish their podcasts to Google Play... Do you know why? I love podcasts but think it's a little ridiculous that I have to download a third party app instead of using the default one. Especially since they're posting to iTunes. Thankfully I have KZbin premium (ironically gives me a Google Play subscription) so I can download these for podcasting pleasure.

[@XavierArnau399]

I watched your podcast today while painting and... oh boy... you are so in the dark hehe. I am against recast and don't plan to get into it but I checked some sites to see what they are doing and oh boy, they are recasting the plastic sprues entirely and they pretty much look like the original ones.

[@RhoIotaKappa]

I disagree. If you want to charge $25.00 for a single plastic miniature, be my guest. Don't be surprised or grouse though when someone starts casting their own. If it becomes cheaper to cast on their own, then you (Company XYZ) had a serious problem with your market approach.

[@Cdlzzl]

I thought protoss were eldar?

[@mobro23295]

the problem is say for instance forgeworld with its price increase it did a couple of years the heresy community especially in australia was happy to pay for the product as it was just direct conversion but then they decided to make it country specific price with increases. these increases were atrocious average of 30%-45% increase across the there entire range and this happened all over the world. So with one fell swoop forgeworld effectively destroyed there own market over night.yes recasters are bad but in a lot of overseas countries they are now the only affordable way of getting forgeworld and most of the time the quality is better

[@Halliden88]

Metric and imperial are both used in the UK. Think its just easier to say 28mm bases rather than 1.10 inches and it's easier to say move 10 inches instead of 25.4cm. Don't think there is much more to it than that. Also we only changed in the 60s so a lot of older people here stuck to inches and feet rather than relearn life long habits to cm and mm

[@Amiens1906]

I love recasting for one reason : you can get some old models that aren't produced anymore ! I get a karskin team made in plastic and cheaper than the original metal ones on ebay