Is Red Reboot HEALTHY for Yu-Gi-Oh?

[@ct1296]

I feel like the solution to having sacky and frustrating cards in the format isn’t to unban cards that are sacky and frustrating against other people’s decks. Bringing reboot back just sets the precedent that we’re fine with these types of effects so long as there are equivalent cards for other strategies. DBarrier should never have been printed. Reboot is waaaay too overtuned. Shifter was tolerable for a while since it was almost exclusively played in slow and underpowered decks, but it was abundantly clear that once we got top-tier combo decks capable of playing under it the card shouldn’t be allowed to stick around. I’m fine with floodgates as a concept - it’s just that konami is just really bad at designing them. Considering how archetype-centric YGO is, why not get rid of all the generic floods and instead design control decks with customised floodgates that synergise with the deck - I’m no floo fan, but (especially for its time on release) Empen was a great example of an annoying but outable boss that synergised with the archetype and helped you slow down the game enough to pull ahead with your engine. It doesn’t make sense to print new archetypes that are clearly intended to be competitive and skill-testing, but allow hard counters to these decks with 0 counterplay to still exist.

[@flyingchicken973]

My problem with thus arguement is that red reboot is not going to stop d barrier from seeing play meaning its just going to become even more of a sack fest then actually fixing the d barrier issue

[@lordofthered1257]

This here. This right here.

[@SoraBell]

correct, you understand the problem of an arms race and trying to deal with a super weapon with another super weapon. ultimately, the problem is that super weapons exist, not that one begets the other.

[@ahlixemus8903]

That's true but I'd rather have at least ONE solution than none at all

[@GhostintheMachine25]

Honestly there’s too much sacky options and the best option is not only ban them all but also bring the power ceiling in the game down as well as like Digimon does is make a combination banlist. An example if you run d barrier, you cant also have red reboot in your deck. That way in this case an antitrap deck cant run wild and unchecked. It’s not a perfect solution but it may be better than what we have.

[@RapDog62]

Give it a less powerful retrain. Like a hand counter trap that negated and destroyed an opponent's trap, but they can still use other traps.

[@galzo]

Dominus 3 Electric Boogaloo :>

[@zaiovolnutt4516]

Red Reboot is a bit finnicky. Yes it completely demolish Stun which I am all for it. But at the same time if Tenpai still exists and is pretty consistent. I cant see it be a feasible just yet.

[@hiddenfog180]

If Dark Ruler No More and Droplet that don't let combo decks respond, Red Reboot should be fine to bring to 3 too to

[@lordofthered1257]

Absolutely not. We have lightning storm and Duster. You have enough back row hate.

[@hiddenfog180]

@@lordofthered1257 You can chain everything to Duster and Lightning Storm. It means nothing.

[@lordofthered1257]

@@hiddenfog180 Ahh yes the chain all my trap holes to Duster meant nothing. Lol. When we talk about back row hate we aren't talking about one deck we are talking about an entire game. Sure if you want to hard force people into monster spam combo decks sure but that is a meta I and many others do not want to be involved in. I want diversity. Real diversity. Not chose between monster spam combo deck a or monster deck combo spam b.

[@shrajo4480]

Monsters (particularly extra deck monsters) are more powerful than traps in modern yu-gi-oh. Traps have been powercrept a lot. We need cards like droplet and dark ruler to balance combo decks whereas we don’t need more back row hate. If there is a trap card causing problems the solution should be ban that trap.

[@Mr_B_last]

@@hiddenfog180having them chain the traps is better then them using the traps as disruptions

[@dardardar1215]

Red reboot just kills all trap decks, in my opinion one off the worst cards ever to come to the game

[@Bruno_Silv96]

Its easy if you red rebbot lab it just loses that turn, dbarrier will most of the time not win on the spot, it will buy a turn but decks these days can hold out a turn you either ht you oponent to death back or their engine is good enough to do that also even if lab uses dbarrier the game will still go on for several turns and they can still very easely lose that game Also there is almost no counterplay to reboot it needs exactly judgement

[@zithert]

If red reboot gets an errata maybe. Because this card is way to heavy. Because not you get a restriction. Your opponent does which by some sort of decks (Labrynth, Traptrix,Eldlich,Altergeist, Dinomorphia) is way too much or you have your full board build then opponent want to throw a evenly matched then you red reboot then from then on what to do?. I personally think its not healthy if this card is around. We are already at a state of having wayyyy to many handtraps in decks to interrupt. Too many crazy one card combos. Yes im a Labrynth,Traptrix and Dinomorphia player aswell but i only see negatives in that card if it comes back. I was very happy when Arias came because its such a nice push to use trap cards directly with it. Trap decks are dying or specific traps are dying which is very sad.

[@Lorens4444]

7:40 What do you mean "why trap decks don't play Solemn Judgement?" They definitely did when Red Reboot was legal. They had to. XD As for Red Reboot, Maliss is coming out in ten days, so I think that Konami wouldn't bring it back for at least half a year, even though 1 RR is fine.

[@residentgrey]

I don't understand the big issue with the card. It is unlimited in Duel Links and can stay that way just fine.

[@Mr_B_last]

You can have red reboot back in exchange for vanity and masterpiece comming back, thoughts?

[@xXNeoNashXx]

Tenpai main deck red reboot in MD, and ive been playing VS. Let me tell you when they have have like 6 back row removal against that deck it sucks. I think if it didn't stop you from using traps it would be more balanced

[@euric869]

I think its fair because its not searchable and just sacky unlike D-Barrier and other assorted custom trap cards.

[@jayduel7897]

No. Absolutely not. Keep it banned

[@JaySoul55]

Short answer bring it back

[@lordofthered1257]

Uh no. I play both combo, Drytron with the new support, nouvelles, Branded and such and I play control, Lab and Eldlich. It sucks from both perspectives and it has always sucked. Trap decks should be allowed to exist and not get blown away with powerful sweepers. Lab and Eldlich are literally the only good trap decks since TOSS format with Altergeist and Guru control. Red reboot is toxic in the same way shifter is. The negate is fine but shutting the trap player out of traps for a turn is broken just like shifter. Ban shifter, barrier, and keep reboot banned.

[@punksupportwhen]

Nope reboot can never come Back in ITS current way. There could be a world where a weaker Version ist printed which functions similar. Like for example counter Trap activate from Hand negate and destroy one Trap Card your opponent activates.

[@lordofthered1257]

Reboot to three means skill drain should go to three

[@euric869]

One is not like the other. But I'll welcome it, but you gonna kiss Labryrinth goodbye.

[@lordofthered1257]

@@euric869 You are right reboot is far stronger against its targeted decks.

[@euric869]

@@lordofthered1257 I'll say it's a good trade off one deck suffers while everyother decks gets to play the game.

[@lordofthered1257]

@@euric869 You mean every single trap deck is dead and every combo and going second deck is better?

[@euric869]

@lordofthered1257 What's funny is that Labry and Eldlich would be the decks that will benefit the most if skill drain is at 3, making 3 reboots only seem like a fair response.

[@phantomkings3478]

Stun decks are still around. Reboot is needed bad

[@Mr_B_last]

Stun decks aren't good enough to warrant reboot coming back. Just ban the floodgates.

[@phantomkings3478]

You must be a stun deck player that doesn’t want to see Red reboot come back hahahaha jk I hate lab a lot

[@dardardar1215]

​@@phantomkings3478so kill all trap decks or what lol

[@phantomkings3478]

@ no just bring reboot back to one.

[@Mr_B_last]

I like stun when I have a bad day but I think everyone would prefer interaction. Red reboot doesn't promote interaction. That's it.

[@mr.ethechromeleonpaladin8898]

I personally believe labyrinth has overstayed it's welcome in all formats

[@lordofthered1257]

@@mr.ethechromeleonpaladin8898 Yes. Let's kill the only trap deck that is kinda viable. Then we can have snake eyes and tempai forever. Look I don't like playing when the field is only combo and going second otk decks. We need trap and control decks to have a verity or the game is going to metastasize even more into combo only.

[@andrepires2486]

@@lordofthered1257 the problem is not labrynth It self, but the degenerating cards they use and can search/ set from deck or even loop the same trap from gy until Win

[@Whusker]

And labyrinth needs to do that to stop degenerate one card combos gameplay from Snake eyes/ Tenpai/ Yubel/

[@lordofthered1257]

@@andrepires2486 I agree that cards like d barrier should go

[@diinouhothead9362]

You could say it's... Welcome Labrynth!