Is refurbished MacBook worth it?

Is a refurbished MacBook is worth getting? I bought a refurbished and new MacBook to compare them and see if we can save some money💸
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[@dinhonms]

I have acquired a refurbished m2 pro 16 inch, 16gb ram. It has been 3 days now since I have bought it. It came perfectly cleaned and with no scratches. I'm a Unity3d and Swift developer and I have been doing heavy stuff on this machine. It looks like it's ok.

[@AZisk]

nice 👍 bet you saved a bunch of 💰

[@dinhonms]

For sure! Here, dolar costs 5 times our currency, so each penny counts@@AZisk

[@dinhonms]

@@RL-ku6wx RAM is pretty enough. I was afraid of 16gb, because my old Mac Mini used more than 24gb. I did see a video from Alex regarding ram in m1/m2, they work differently. In a daily basis, I use simultaneously blender, Unity, vs code, slack, source tree, chrome with about 5 tabs, Xcode. The machine is running smoothly This version is 512gb storage, I would buy a 1Tb if it wasn’t so expensive Running projects locally. I’ll achieve the full storage capacity soon, so that I’ll use the projects in a external storage

[@dinhonms]

@@RL-ku6wx no prob. Thanks.

[@lauyl]

for a school student and everyday use like browsing and light gaming (like iphone games) on a refurbished macbook air m2 should i get 256g or 512g? edit: because on the laptop i currently have its 512g and i have almost 100g used (lenovo slim pad 3, i think)

[@garynagle3093]

Great video. Love how you collaborated to discuss the differences.

[@frankwales]

I've been routinely buying refurbed equipment from Apple since 2009, and have never had a problem with anything. Currently typing this on a 30-month-old refurbed M1 Air that still looks and feels as good as new, apart from a few scratches near the USB-C ports. It's a daily driver, so battery cycles are at 765 with 86% of original capacity, and I can see me replacing the battery in a few years, assuming I even notice the loss of battery life, given how good it still is.

[@nickviews]

So much work gone into this video - thank you! I’m considering a refurb m2 pro

[@whitelilacplants]

thank you for making this video 👍

[@de_mir]

I paid for two macs for my whole life (all the other ones came from my employers). The first one was a first gen rMBP (late 2012 model) that I bought used from Amazon, and the second one was a Apple refurbished 2020 M1 MBP. Both machines were one year old when I bougth them and I saved a significant amount of money. The first machine is still working (my kids are using it now) although it is 11 years old now; and my wife uses the second machine with the M1 chip. No issues with either of them. Very happy with my purchases and I would not pay the full price for any Macs, unless there is a really good reason.

[@billyfaizzaly]

Hey Alex, I bought a refurb in 2014, a MacBook Pro 13" Late 2013 Retina and used it for 9 years. I ran DriveDX a few days ago and the SSD (256GB) has still so much juice left (99%). I also ordered the 8GB version (I was low on budget) but received the 16GB version, so that was sweet. Overall, I had a good time with it but I ran into issues when MacOS wouldn't update and thus, affected the sync of one of my iPad app. Plus the screen was almost busted and the battery was 25 months pregnant with no sign of giving birth, so I knew it was time for a change. I decided to go for the new MacBook Pro M3 Pro instead of another refurb MacBook Pro M2 Pro due to several factors; Superior chip, energy savings, battery life and I also love the new space black. The bezel of the space black blends with the screen when you watch videos, so there is no distracting silver lining, which I found that to be quite cool. And thanks for the video!

[@jonemz3955]

I bought a refurbished 14 inch MacBook Pro in August while visiting the US. The price paid worked out to be just over £1400 which is like a third cheaper than the retail in the UK. Mine also had a battery cycle count of 4 :)

[@param2014]

Is the warranty is covered in uk if you buy it from USA?

[@jonemz3955]

@@param2014 yes Apple warranty offers world wide coverage. Once I got home I could even buy extended AppleCare

[@sangeetkatila]

@@param2014 Warranty is Worldwide.

[@jamesestrada82]

I recently acquired a Certified Refurbished MacBook Pro M1 Max 14” laptop, and it’s impossible to discern from a brand new unit cosmetically. The only way I could tell that it was lightly used was by the cycle count - which was very low at 7. The best part is that I only paid $1600 for it! I’m very happy with my purchase, and look forward to using it for many years to come 👍🏼

[@ShinyTechThings]

Yes, and If you have a model affected by a recall, they pretty much refurbish it for you. It's amazing! I've got a story on that. I'll probably do a KZbin short on it at some point.

[@andikunar7183]

Bought a refurbished i7 Macbook Pro, M1 Air and M2 Air (quite fresh into their product-cycle) and very happy with them. Sold the i7 and M1 to friends, not a big issue for them to get an initially refurbished machine. Would buy another Apple-refurbished product any time.

[@AndysTV]

I got the refurbished m1 max 16 this summer and loving it! Saved tons of money at least $1000!

[@AZisk]

nice 👍

[@paintballfreak98]

Love, love, love your content. Since I am new to 🍎 and have always been a Windows guy. Everything that you provide in your content is purely great since I am also a computer programmer but not as great as you lol keep up the great work

[@AZisk]

Awesome, thank you!

[@taylorkoepp3048]

I've bought refurbished a couple of times, definitely worth it imo. I prefer a decent spec Macbook over a similar priced new PC.

[@lunarcontact]

Thanks 🤞

[@goobfilmcast4239]

I am gonna bet that the "bench testing" for units destined for Apple Store Refurbs are subject to very stringent cosmetic and internal testing and diagnostics which generate very specific reports for each INDIVIDUAL machine...then thoroughly "inspected / retested" before final boxing. Basically, the machines are made functionally NEW.

[@kauaiboy5o]

Bought a refurbished MacBook Pro 6 yrs ago but had issues with the keyboard lighting, couldn't fix it and was given a new one. Refurbished can be a hit or miss, and for the difference in price I don't want to deal with the hassle.

[@sharonb.9128]

Great video. Refurbished Apple product quality is amazing. Somewhere on the site they provide the definition of “refurbished” and it’s something like “new shell, new screen, all internals cleaned and repaired”. They also give a 1year warranty. Amazon renewed does not go that far. Edit; Apple’s website- “You will receive a refurbished device with genuine Apple replacement parts (as needed) that has been thoroughly cleaned and inspected. Refurbished iOS devices will come with new battery and outer shell. Every device will come with all accessories, cables and operating systems. footnote 1 All Apple Certified Refurbished products are packaged in a brand new white box and will be sent to you with free shipping and returns.”

[@motoshan]

Unfortunately a laptop wouldn't qualify as an iOS device so they don't guarantee outer shell or battery

[@wayne8797]

Just picked up a M1 Max 64GB from microcenter, Apple refurbishe, open box. Battery has 16 cycles so it’s likely a display unit or someone cycled it daily during the 15 day return window 😆 . I cannot find anything that indicates it’s a used unit from looking at the keyboard, outer shell, touchpad. There was a small smudge on the screen. The power brick does have small light scratches. Works fine, still have to check the ssd in detail though.

[@tomburke5311]

Over the years I've bought several Apple Certified Refurbished machines; both of our most recent iMacs, for example. They've always been perfectly good, the equivalent of a new machine. Here in the UK new Macs, iPads, etc, aren't normally available on Amazon so Apple Certified Refurbished is pretty much the only way to buy (some) Apple products at reduced prices.

[@-jz5mm]

None of us should be using Amazon anyways, it's no more expensive to buy direct from the place amazon got from 👍🏻

[@MartinFuhrer]

Just received my refurbished MacBook Pro 16" M3 Pro (18 GB | 1 TB) from Apple yesterday. After first boot, battery cycle count is 3. After updating Sonoma to the latest version and installing Xcode, Homebrew, and smartmontools (to obtain SSD stats), I have 1.94 TB data read, 1.58 TB data written, 296 power cycles, 32 power on hours, and 19 unsafe shutdowns. Finally time to retire my MacBook Pro 2016 (which underwent four repairs under AppleCare, including a replacement butterfly keyboard just last summer due to a stuck spacebar).

[@crke17]

I do think at this point is safer to buy a refurbished one than a brand new one. I got a MacBook 16 M2 Max recently, the 64gb model, and it came with a defect on the camera. It simply wasn't working. When I arrived at the store to replace it, they said my delivery dates for that machine were too short and that must have been a returned machine. I suspect Apple or their partners may have packed the machine back and sold it as a brand new, but with a defect. EDIT: I have also to mention that I replaced that 64GB to a "brand new" 32GB machine, that came scratched out of the box. So, yet again another issue with the replaced machine. For the refurbished ones, they have to look and properly tested or fix it to ensure they are able to be used again, instead of having this (super gross) quality-control failure like the camera not working. I have previously bought a refurbished one that lasted for years. However, I do find out a minor scratch on the lid on it AFTER using it for a few days. And I'm sure that wasn't there, because I checked every spot. So I presume they applied some sort of "make up" to make it look fresh which went away few days after I got it. I also assume that this "free returns, money back without any defect/reason" and so on conditions that they offer (and other brands and companies in the US as well) might enable them to accept a bit more defective units when shipping. That's just a guess.

[@PerfectlyPoachedEgg]

My last MacBook (2019 intel) was refurbished from apple, and my current one is refurb (M1 Max '16) and it's great. No scratches, full 100% battery. I think I will keep it.

[@JustinFYI]

As a developer, your channel is so super valuable to those of us who can't go and do all these types of things at the Apple Store. Thank you!

[@JamesLauricia7]

I’ve personally purchased from Apple refurbished multiple items. iPad 7th gen, iPad Air 4th gen, iPhone 11, and M1 MacBook Air. All perfect and still in use. Highly recommended.

[@ruiyangao9255]

Got my 16 inch m1 max 64gb 1tb refurbished and it’s absolutely indifferent compared to a brand new one. I added apple care and it’s causing me zero stress

[@hanovergreen4091]

I've only purchased refurb'd since 2004. No issues. Best Regards and Best Wishes!

[@shitvideoquality4856]

I’ve bought a refurbished M1 IPad Pro and also recommend someone to buy a Refurbished M2 MacBook Air, I think it’s safe to say that buying refurbished is basically buying brand new. Even an ex Apple employee I know said that there’s basically no point of not buying refurbished. They literally replace the housing for every refurbished product and had done lots of testing to them before getting sold again. And I think that it got more of everything internally to it is because of the testing done to it before selling

[@JewEater1312]

I have bought a refurbished MacBook Air from 2018 in early 2019, i still have it and it’s still working great. I will be upgrading to a Refurbished M2 Max MacBook Pro in the next days, and im super excited!

[@SuInTheDev]

me too! M2 Pro, and it works perfectly!

[@carlospcpro]

I wish Apple had this program in mexico. Great video.

[@Abedoss]

What is that Terminal battery and SSD info tool you've used?

[@anianii]

Yes. Got my M1 Air refurbished and it was basically new.

[@geminithugbaby473]

On the apple refurbished page it states that each refurbished iPad gets a brand new body and battery so maybe they replace the body with a new one for the mbp

[@TheClosedBoxTTV]

Refurbished m2 pro 14 16gb 512gb and it's been running flawlessly, for 1600 👌🏽 💯 haven't used it as much as i hoped but the speed is immaculate plus the power efficiency, it can also run WoW or my ocasional LoL game.

[@jeffreykwakye8597]

Can you do a 13inch m2 mbp battery test? Like using it for your software engineering tasks. Recently got one as a gift and I would like to know how long it actually lasts as compared to the 20 hours apple claims. Thanks

[@johto]

that "power on hours" dont mean the actual hours the machine has been on, because my over 2 year old Macbook Air M1 reports under 700 power on hours, that would be like under one months overall. I have my machine on around 12 hours per day. That refurbished machine has only been used like few days according to the data written. The SSD cannot be replaced because its soldered to the mainboard.

[@wihiss]

From my family experience (several iPhones and iPads) - refurbished devices bought from Apple is a really great deal. The only drawback - you can't have Apple financing for such purchase.

[@GizmoH69]

Can can you share me how did you check you ssd health ?

[@jutjub22]

My friend got refurbished 13" Macbook Pro few years ago, and its trackpad did not work on the whole surface. He did not notice in time, he thought it was normal. After I saw that I was sceptical to get refurbished one. I would rather buy used under warranty. It is usually cheaper and safer.

[@12345abcd_qwerty]

i got a refurbished mac book pro 15 touch bar back in 2016. Working fine still except for the screengate issue with 15 inch laptops. i think you cant trade in a refurbished mac at apple store. I tried once with my refurbished mac few years ago. Not sure about now.

[@leonugraha]

2:11 The cutest expression ever as a software developer

[@huangxu7610]

I bought a refurbished m2 pro chip macbook pro 14inch about 3 month ago. It looks brand new to me when I received it. I am a web developer and that macbook can do everything I need perfectly. I would say it's a good deal, it comes directly form apple, has 1 year warranty, and if you want you can even buy apple care for the laptop.

[@JABoyle3875]

I’ve bough a refurb i7 - was flawless. May not go that big but you can get the $3499 M2 Max 16” MBP for just under $3000. That’s a lot of savings.

[@alyankhan806]

How did you check the ssd status? what command did you run?

[@leaht-pu1tm]

What is the name of the utility you used to read the internals R W Power cycles? Cosmetically I do NOT know if you can tell the difference.

[@AschKris]

What is that command that shows the SSD info?

[@shubham-itachi]

Hey is MacBook Air M1 base model sufficient for iOS development

[@simsisimon2151]

Hey how did you check the ssd health? Could you send the text for terminal?

[@kabes-us]

I got a brand new M3 MacBook Pro and it had 5 cycles on the battery out of the box. I’ve see anywhere from as little as 3 and as much as 5.

[@annatomacari9349]

I can't seem to find a 16 inch refurbished MBP M2 on Apple's refurb store with the storage I need. Is it still worth buying a M1 16 inch MBP? Or am I better off waiting to find the M2? I want it to last for awhile. I still have my 2014 MBP.

[@nnnnnn3647]

what is soft you use for SSD checking?

[@mosshtcc7922]

Actually, Apple also gives a a good student discount ( 10 %) for productive machines and a special discount for Apple employees may reach 70 % for some products

[@jeffersonmp4]

Please can you share the command for SSD info?

[@nascentnaga]

100% worth it. I paid a little over base model but I got 32 GB ram and the higher spec 10 core CPU m1 14" pro.

[@raffayali_]

What about Macbook Air M1 refurbished? How they gonna deal with that one now?

[@jjcoolaus]

$2600 Australian for the machine you ordered(but 512GB as 256GB SSD isn't available) by the way the “Aussie tax” on that is only $220 AU. If you take the 10% tax Australia pays off the price we are playing a little less after currency conversion

[@sargfowler9603]

Definitely worth it from other retailers. I got a MacBook Air m2 15" for £900 when the new price is £1400. Only 2 months old and 14 battery cycles. Comes with 2 year warranty.

[@goobfilmcast4239]

Military / Veterans discounts (10%) are available directly from Apple....but can't be used for refurb or with special Apple Card financing

[@dom7452]

i bought my refurb m1 mac air (16gb ram / 512 gb ssd) in Nov 2022, it came with a battery cycle count of 1, looks brand new with no scratches / dents

[@AZisk]

nice

[@MarkPharaoh]

Tangentially related, bhphoto has a few bnib m1 max 32gb/1tb at $2400. Bought one last week.

[@ladyharriet4136]

Hi, I bought my MacBook Pro 15in in 2015, I have been using it everyday, day and night, even ran a few ML models (of course in complete helicopter mode 😂, all fans took off!) took ages to train but did finish it. Absolutely did not crash once, The cycle count on that machine now is around 588. It has reached a point where my speakers are not working that well, but nothing wrong with it, just getting quite old. So, I don’t think you can really get to 1000 battery cycle count even with heavy use before you really should replace it. Also, I don’t let my battery run down more than 30%, I just leave that on charge. It is better for the battery life as far as I understand. I have recently bought a apple refurbished MacBook Pro 16in M2 max, 32Gb, cycle count was 4, 3 weeks ago when I opened the box powered up, just got to 5 a few days ago. I have been running 3D models, train a few ML models, just for use reference. Super fast, super happy with it. 😊

[@efrosenius.]

Well I have 1450 cycles on a 2015 13" and have never reset it to factory settings. The battery still lasts for 4 hours of coding + web surfing. Not full day of TV shows as it was 6 years ago but still very good even compared to some new laptops. Was about to switch it for 2 years already but I just can't, it's perfect😂

[@sebastienmoulin]

What is the command or tool your run to get all those details on the ssd please?

[@evanessny]

Yeah, my question too! I guess the video is too old to warrant a reply 🙂

[@arissulaiman3445]

Now I understand something about the Power Cycle: New Mac ±76, Refurb ±149 (doubled). I think it's doubled because for Refurb - Apple has to retest everything again. That's why since the SSD still same, the amount is recorded doubled. I think it's not entirely used, rather it's been returned within the 14 days warranty period for any reasons.

[@composimple364]

Back in 2018, I bought a refurbished 2016 MacBook Pro with touchbar. Everything was smooth for a good four years and I changed to M1 Pro MacBook Pro. Among people near me they have bought refurbished iPod touch, iPad Pro, iPhone 12, absolutely no issue ever. ❤

[@makki4064]

just to be clear , if you returning your product back to open , even if you havent open, it will not go into refurbished, we are mislead by tinking that refurbished mean used, but its not

[@chheanghenglim763]

How can we check written/read cycles?

[@hewlittp456]

What is the command/place to nagigate to see the number of times the SSD has read and written? Thanks

[@user-mk9hz2oh8b]

would you say 1100 is a fair price for a 2021 M1 16” 512GB 16GB memory 59 battery cycles 96% capacity

[@tharinduminiruwan7842]

Apple I'm looking at you. Don't be unsafe 😂

[@StevenMontages]

The Apple refurbished they only keep the motherboard from the old laptop so the housing screen keyboard trackpad and battery are all new

[@rafakwolf]

I have acquired a refurbished macbook pro m1-pro 16gb of ram, other than the box, I can't tell it's a refurbished, it's working perfectly. I'm a software developer from Brazil btw :D

[@fleroviux]

I was going to get a 16" MBP with M3 Pro (18 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, 18 GPU cores). But upon seeing the first benchmarks and how close they are to unbinned M2 Pro in terms of CPU and GPU, I cancelled my order. I got a refurbished 16" MBP with M2 Max (32 GB, 1 TB SSD, 38 GPU cores) for only ~300€ more (discounted by ~600€ from the original price). CPU performance should be about the same, slightly worse in single-core and slightly worse or slightly better in multi-core, depending on the application. However GPU performance should be much much better for workloads that don't involve raytracing (which I don't have a need for at the moment). The refurbished MBP basically looks flawless and the battery only has 3 cycles at 100% capacity. I couldn't spot any flaws so far.

[@U20E0]

I think the additional battery cycles might just be due to testing.

[@synen]

Once you have recharged your laptop over 1000 times, what are the options?

[@MarkFletcher2001]

I bought myself a refurbished M1 Mac Mini, my wife a M1 MacBook. I was very pleased with what Apple delivered.

[@super_mr_unknown]

I bought my refurbished MacBook Pro m2 max just a few days ago and I can say that its really good deal, because I was able to save 500 dollars and still got super computer.

[@samchatsmash-ce3yt]

I am in Kenya. Do you know of a way I can peacefully purchase a certified refub from the apple site and ship here?

[@PeterEmery]

In 2021 I bought an Apple Refurbished base model M1 MacBook Air, at a cost saving of 15%. Its battery had completed all of two charge cycles and according to the Coconut Battery app had been manufactured some 8 months after the Mac's date of manufacture. To all intents and purposes it was a new Mac.

[@philw8741]

I purchased an M1 12.9” iPad Pro and payed for it over 24 months interest free. The iPad’s screen failed and Apple sent me a refurbished iPad Pro like for like. I still have a year to pay for the brand new model but I am paying for a refurbished IPad. In the future I am just going to buy refurbished to begin with.

[@FordGT40MkIV]

I’m pretty sure the SSD is soldered in place so highly unlikely that Apple would replace it.

[@justinyadao744]

i actually just decided to buy a refursbished. my first time ever. If there is one company in the world that takes their pride in their hardware and support, apple is on top of that food chain. I’ve bought so many products from them and none ever broke on me for a decade. So i put my full faith in their refurbished. i’ll let y’all know after one month if the product is like butter. But so far, all the reviews i’ve heard, they say apple polished and cleaned the aluminum chassis, inspects all the parts, swaps the batteries, gives you a new charging brick and cable, etc… even comes in it’s own box, just labeled with refurbished. after the constant delay of the m3, i decided to get a 15 inch air m2 16/512 and saw the price to be $1600, AND 1400 after student discounts… then refurbished apple says $1600 for m1 pro 14 inch 16/512 and is eligible for apple care for $70 per year… What a damn good price to hold onto until 2025 knowing damn well the entire chassis is going to be changed because the design would be 4 years+ old by then with an m4 (cool sounding name) chip inside. $1600 is an insanely good deal

[@chachomynacho]

Regarding your comment about reselling with a refurbished box, you should try that for your next video. I really doubt you have need of ANOTHER 2 macbook airs 😂

[@GurmeetSingh-fr8uo]

Do you think it’s best to learn Azure or AWS?

[@AXXXXA]

How to check the ssd status?

[@taylorshin]

Those SSDs are BGA soldered chips… swapping out for refurbish… isn’t really worth the risk. Anyway, we always keep in mind that refurbishing is a labor and skill intensive job.. so, unless you get it from a good source… I would rather not care..

[@djbillgates]

Apple change the shell on all their refurbished machines not sure about the battery that could be someone bought it and return it because it didn’t meet their specifications

[@thatmg]

Tom is a genius.

[@harrisontu264]

I’ve never bought refurbished, simply, because unfortunately, I’m kind of one of those people that likes to have the latest and greatest and saves up for the new one. But I’ve had a couple friends buy refurbished M1 MacBook Air over the years when they’ve come to me asking about new computer recommendations. None of them have failed ever. They literally are functionally new.

[@mahee96]

I feel like these aren’t actually “refurbished” instead are just openboxed items or just returned within 14 days

[@sentoneYYC]

MAJORITY of refurbished MacBooks are old stock of new computers OR refurbished motherboards, in other words, you are 99%likely to get a PC with new battery, new shell new keyboard and screen. very rarely they will send an actual use unit from someone who returned a computer. I bought a 16 inch M1 PRO for 2400CAD where a new would've cost 3600. it came with a 4-5 battery cycle and 100% capacity, shell and keyboard were new. so yeah I am only buying refurbished from now on.

[@deepeshsharma]

I din’t know SSDs are consumable as well..🙄

[@UnknownUnknown-hn3lj]

The SSDs on the M-series MacBooks are soldered. They are replaceable, but it's an awful amount of work and probably not worth it for Apple considering the chips wouldn't have gone through enough wear for it to be a problem anyways (as compared to the exterior chassis and the battery which usually get replaced, along with any other parts "as needed"). Refurb is perfectly fine! P.S. The refurbished SSDs are probably also getting the OS reinstalled and tested, so that might be a factor as well.

[@ufukpolat3480]

You at least expect Apple to get rid of the 8 GB ram and replace with 16 when used ones are brought in. It's more of a bonus to have the refurb 16/512 for the price of 8/256 than to have a cheaper baseline price.

[@Joseph-Lau]

There some risk in buying refurbished stuffs from Apple. I brought M1 MacBook Air, iPad Pro 11”, iPad Pro 11”, iPad Mini 6. All working fine and feel like new. However, the 12.9” iPad Pro was bad. The environmental sensor wasn’t work that it wasn’t been woken when I open the case of tap it. It took me a few visit to Apple Genius to fine that fault. They finally replace it with a service unit. So, it wasn’t ideal purchasing experience. One may say that it was faulty from 1 out of 4 devices only. Well, I never experienced this since my purchase of new Apple devices from iPhone 3GS. So, there is higher chance to get a faulty device. So, I don’t recommend buying refurbished device from Apple unless one understand computer technology understands it well.

[@redbuzz6677]

Does Apple allow refurbished MacBooks to be traded in later? What kind of value do they give refurbished trade ins? Anyone?

[@AZisk]

great question. I need to explore that option

[@brightboxstudio]

You asked if any of us had bought an Apple Refurbished Mac. Yes, I bought an Apple Refurbished Mac Pro tower in 2007. 16 years later I still have it, it’s been upgraded many times, it still runs, and it never needed repair service.

[@Strawhat..]

I bought Apple Refurbished MacBook Pro 16 M1 Pro 16/512 for $1500 and it was basically brand new with 4 battery cycles

[@peter441986]

Would someone be able to explain how to use the tool at 6:18?