Is Sam Bankman-Fried a ‘Criminal Sociopath’? - The Chopping Block

[@My-3-Sons]

I think it’s sad no whistleblowers came forward. I have a friend who testified in Congress against Enron accountants- a shining moment of life, hard but no regrets.

[@maximt1401]

Perhaps that's how his lovely parents raised him to be?

[@IbnBahtuta]

That is a good point, but his Mum doesn't look well. I though she looked really stressed. I wonder what her worst-case scenario looks like as she tries to fall asleep at night, perhaps that's why she looks ill. It isn't like children would lie to their parents to impress them, is it? He may have totally gaslighted both of them. He seems to be capable of detached thinking. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens, the enormous amount of money stolen should be an aggravating factor with punch when it comes to sentencing. They should throw the book at sam and for their help the others should only have to serve five years less than sam, as a thank you to his fellow thieves.

[@opensourceanglers8291]

It appears as if his parents were much more involved in the business than was clear at the time of the collapse. I would bet that he was exploited by his parents to some extent and maybe a lot based on this new information. Certainly no excuse for anything he did but it's an absolute shame that his folks are looking likely to be every bit the scoundrel Sam is. It makes me feel sorry for him if he was brought up by soulless self-servers...

[@maximt1401]

@@opensourceanglers8291 come on mannn.. his parents deserved that $16m property Sam gifted them from his customers money. And the $1m a year salary his Dad was given. They are simply misunderstood... Right?.. 😅

[@IbnBahtuta]

@@opensourceanglers8291 I was brought up by a pair of narcissists posing as parents and I don't steal, what's his excuse again? If his parents were teaching professors think of all the now devalued degrees and the graduates who must be gutted. The ripples expand further and further, unlike the fruit of their tree.

[@r.j.macready5620]

​@maximt1401 I completely agree. Altruistic my ass. Now they say they could be penniless for providing his defense, but own a $3M+ house in Silicon Valley. I hope the island house is taken away, the money is returned to investor's, and Stanford U moves away on from both these former employees.

[@1911Earthling]

You guys were conned by amphetamine addicts. You thought he was eccentric he was a amphetamine addict. He displays all the classic symptoms of amphetamine addiction.

[@nickpavia9021]

Haseeb talks so fast. I thought my video was on 2x speed at first 😆

[@CallousCarter]

Talks shite as well. Half his points were we can't extrapolate or over-interpret from x because what we're saying about SBF could apply to CZ as well but Binance is the most "successful" crypto business left. Can't wait to see what his "update" is after Binance also fails and is exposed to have committed serious fraud and other financial crimes. Man has golden retriever brain.

[@howardhill3395]

Entrepreneurial spirit is 1 thing, but being willfully negligent, or not giving a damn about financial responsibility to customers, lenders and investors, is another. SBF in my opinion is a narcissist with extremely grandiose ambitions and no sense of financial responsibility, a video gamer out of touch with reailty.

[@2smoulder]

It's up to a Court, a Judge and a Jury to decide wether SBF is a criminal or not. ATM all the evidence presented, together with his actions since Alameda and FTX were founded, points towards multiple guilty verdicts. I am interested in hearing how his Defence will present its arguments because it looks like they're up against it.

[@petercofrancesco9812]

The defense has already tipped their hand. Sam setup the auto delete for internal communications so there is very little left of his communications. So he going to say Caroline did these things without his knowledge. They've made the analogy that FTX was like building a plane while it was flying.

[@2smoulder]

@@petercofrancesco9812 Yep, that’s going to be said many times, but it still doesn’t remove SBFs fiduciary duty and Ellison took screenshots of later conversations.

[@petercofrancesco9812]

BTW, I don't believe the defense, I'm just pointing it out. From a legal stand point having documents of the actual communications is stronger evidence than Caroline's word when they have a vested interest. Even though she has screen caps of their chats, it's only for the last couple of weeks before the collapse. The borrowing of client funds started happening years before. While it's reasonable to assume she was directed to do so that's not legal proof. @@2smoulder

[@gen-X-trader]

I don't honestly think it matters, there are so many people already convinced of what he is. It would take hardcore proof of innocence before this guy walks. Anything short of that, he's guilty. I honestly think he is a little off his rocker for not fleeing before he was ever arrested to a non-extradition country or even if he made the mistake of not doing that, which he did, working out a plea deal before it got this far. At least try to go for 5 to 7 years because when he loses this trial he's looking at 20 to life

[@2smoulder]

@@gen-X-trader SBFs parents would have advised him to plead not guilty to everything and he probably didn’t flee because his parents were trying to salvage their reputations. IMHO his parents also need to be prosecuted too.

[@EtherealAriel]

It's sometimes not rewriting the past but viewing it from a better perspective with more knowledge. All the things that didn't make sense before the truth came out are now explainable. Him being a "quirky genius" who doesn't waste time with details like accounting is obviously him just trying to hide the accounting he knows if fraudulent at best.

[@Eltercero]

No offensw to these guys who are smart and knowledgable, but this style of speech makes my brain "literally" hurt.

[@bettycattk5298]

Like, like, like, like…….right?, right?, right?, right?, and on and on and on and on. In addition to everything else that we have lost in this country is literacy.

[@slamslidestyle]

Tarun’s framed F&F family photo is amazing. Tom looks sharp with no glasses. Gabriel 👍

[@whatsdoin2392]

Psychopaths do not target everyone, only those who have what they want.

[@RR-et6zp]

x paths dont exist, most psychology is BS

[@warrenpeece1726]

I don't think he's a sociopath. I think he grew up in and environment that was a nexus of high level politics, legal "ethics," money, and image. It shaped his actions - funneling cash to politicians, using lawyers to justify anything he did, and playing up to an unquestioning and fawning media. I think, in his mind, he was doing all the right things that would protect and insulate him from any personal responsibility for his actions. He even had a marketing strategy - "effective altruism" - that was swallowed whole and praised by all. It was just the way things worked the rarified atmosphere his parents exposed him to and reinforced.

[@emceha]

Defense said something about am having ADHD, and this is one of the symptoms - lowered empathy in certain situations. Not lack of empathy, but experiencing it differently depending on situation. Another thing is, that ADHD people have serious problem with foresight, planning and learning from mistakes. We live in NOW, we do what we are focused on in that second, we react to reality, we continue. Little is learned in terms of life wisdom, little is planned for the future. They might burn themselves with that ADHD angle, for sure I don't want to be compared to criminal. He is in my opinion a type of obsessive dork-nerd, who will do anything to continue his project and prove he is right. His life and finances don't matter when the thing is going, so why would other matter? In my opinion he created backdoor as a way to hack the system and make his project go more smoothly without thinking deeply about consequences. I think to understand this type of person you can imagine a kid who overclocks and destroys his pricy PC, or that Boy Scout who build homemade neutron source at the age of seventeen because he was very enthusiastic about nuclear reactors.

[@markharmon3020]

SBF is a sociopath. Defence would prefer to say he has ADHD than being a Sociopath for obvious reasons. I don't say that to be insulting to him, its just based on his own description of himself. From Going Infinite - "In a lot of ways I don’t really have a soul,” he wrote. “My feelings are fake, my facial reactions are fake. I don’t feel happiness". If you study psychology this his how a sociopath would describe themselves. He notoriously had trouble connecting with anybody. If you don't have any empathy for other people then there is a high probability of ripping people off when the opportunity arises. If you don't have empathy then you don't feel guilt. If you don't feel guilty then there is no downside to ripping people off.

[@emceha]

@@markharmon3020 That description also describes serious side effects of ADHD stimulant meds lik Ritalin, it turns you into a zombie robot. You can finally function, but you feel like all emotions are surpressed to zero. I had the same problem when I took SSRI together with street speed. Also, I know definitions are not that important, but sociopath and psychopath are kinda different, sociopath is more anti society rules, they are often violent, abuse people and law openly and don't care about anything. Psychopats understand rules and can control themselves, they just don't feel empathy towards oters. Smart psychopats are your ruthless CEO type.

[@mephisto212]

@@markharmon3020 That quote from Going Infinite is damning. To him, backdoors and legal requirements would all just be abstractions with a probability associated with them. His judgement had paid off so well in the past that it's easy to see him just resting on that but then building something too complex to probabilistically evaluate. His risk indicator became divorced from reality (which even happens in the SEC) and now he has to pay the price for skirting legal requirements (probably felt that the ROI on following them at the time was too low). I don't think he was trying to fuck anyone over, but he stopped paying attention to his downside and probably didn't realize he was walking along a 100 year jail sentence abyss if his FTT value dropped. Honestly it feels like there's obvious startup mentality at work here and this is what happens when you take that mentality in its pure form to the financial sector.

[@testpattern701]

It seems Sam deluded himself into thinking the law doesn't apply to him. He had a devil-may-care attitude toward his customers, equating them with "muppets" and calling them "dumb motherfvckers". One reason his mother has that perma-scowl could be that she's worried they're coming after her and Joe next, not to mention Sam's legal bills which must be astronomical by now. Sam is broke, so who's going to pay his lawyers? It may be that Barbara Fried is beginning to realize she raised a monster, now a convicted felon, as she scowls from behind her sunglasses. Our coddled boy genius from Stanford with the moppy hair and cargo shorts is looking at decades of confinement. He likely won't have 24/7 Internet access in the slammer and that will drive him mad. Sam is behind bars and I'm not. Who's the genius now, Sam?

[@jeanfmart]

I came here by accident guys. Was worthy. Cheers

[@surajrajwani8773]

Paradigm is facing a class action lawsuit: maybe Matt wanted to testify under oath to show that he was defrauded and that would make the class action implausible

[@stevengreidinger8295]

If you're going to throw around psychological diagnoses, you begin by considering the DSM reference to see the criteria for the particular issue you have in mind. Sociopaths cannot properly feel the suffering of others. SBF doesn't show the criteria for sociopathy because he can empathize with others at a personal level. He is, however, a Machiavellian character in that as things go wrong, he is willing to break the rules and the law to generate feelings of reward and resources for philanthropy and lifestyle. He was also in denial about his crimes and motivated by greed, albeit with a philanthropic intention, doing too much, too fast.

[@TheJohnnyCalifornia]

Perhaps, like Elizabeth Holmes, this is more a case of a person with some sociopathic tendencies committing crimes more than that they are a "criminal sociopath" in the sense that the crimes were not the intent of the activity - such as was the case with Bernie Madoff who probably was more an actual criminal sociopath. I think the differences between the various scams are interesting. Madoff knew he was committing a ponzi scheme and had no remorse or regret. Holmes knew she was lying but believed eventually the tech would work. SBF probably knew that his company was committing criminal activities and that even that they were potentially fraudulent, but thought eventually he would be able to pay everything off and balance the hidden losses. At heart, I think there is a problem in that there is a general utilitarian and libertarian philosophy involved in both traditional and emerging financial institutions, companies and new products. This leads to decisions that ignore legality and degrade regulatory oversight. If anything, these show that there is a problem with the systems that are intended to prevent people from committing these crimes and also make it very difficult to properly understand what crimes were committed even when they get caught.

[@govindagovindaji4662]

Your 3rd point "At heart..." is spot-on~!! We wouldn't be in these situations if there were not the work-arounds.

[@cassandrakitty1639]

I think SBK's parents are setting him up worst case to be the Fall Guy so they get more leniency with respect to their liability...Very Utilitarian. In the case of 3 Mountain Climbers holding onto a Rope that can only support the weight of 2 climbers, a Utilitarian would Cut the Rope on the Guy holding onto the end of the climbing rope so that the 2 climbers holding the rope above the Guy at the End of the rope can Survive. Save 2 Lives by Killing 1 Guy Rather than All 3 Climbers Perishing.

[@govindagovindaji4662]

I'm tempted to think it possible that they deliberately 'used' him to commit fraud. You may recall that FTX/SBF hired "the lawyer" [I think his dad may have even recommended him] that was found to have cheated big-time in an online gambling circuit by having access to their (the bsns. he was a part of) customers cards And then his mom swindling all that money for political donations via SBF and at least one more employee of FTX or Alameda. His dad hovered over the company at all times. Ellisons's dad was indirectly connected to the SEC as well and all those circles are small - political - govt - etc.

[@malai-kwainewschannel3302]

As an asian living in asia, the anglosphere is in love with itself

[@rahamz8396]

Wont be civil, wont ask questions and will self promote

[@barelylegalbriefs]

Is it possible that the crypto space makes it easier for sociopaths to access big money?

[@NUCLEAR154]

I ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😅😅😅😅your debates it's so REAL

[@nunyabizness573]

With regard to intent, or the lack thereof, how could "I didn't intend to lose almost 9 billion dollars" even be a defense?

[@katebunch2047]

Weak Scrupples- yea- look at his parents!!!!!

[@govindagovindaji4662]

4:54 No books talk about that~? No people's either, I guess b/c this is the 1st I'm hearing of that part. Although, I can't really say I even understand which part you are referring to as again, I don't recall discussion of those phrases and interactions specifically, anywhere. Someone keener to the crypto and finance world probably did pick up on it in some of the same interviews or podcasts I've listened to, though. I probably didn't know what to look for.

[@napnap5094]

Tom stop worrying what you’re hair looks like is so annoying watching you play with it!

[@Nuvinci88]

His dad will be sharing a 6x10 as well.

[@IbnBahtuta]

Crypto scams, who'd of thunk it?

[@govindagovindaji4662]

24:24 Surely you've heard of subpoenas It's entirely possible that they had no choice but to testify.

[@bettycattk5298]

All you need to do to understand SBF is to look in DSM 5 for definition of Antisocial Behavior.

[@northerngirl4666]

Can hardly understand a word Haseeb is saying … has the video been speeded up or has he just been drinking so much coffee?

[@davidbentley4731]

Guys. How can you not understand that a motivation to testify is that you feel a social responsibility for enabling this platform that ripped off so many small investors. Your perspective is based entirely on a selfish motivation. What about the thought that they feel a responsibility to testify. Slightly disturbing you don’t identify that as a potential motivation.

[@govindagovindaji4662]

34:50 to 34:56 Haseeb, not everybody did "everything he did was villainous" *post* SBF's being caught. Marc Cohodes has been saying it about him specifically for years ~ right here on You Tube.

[@buckeroonii]

Great convo and insight. The Magnum Force of the law is gonna send SBF into the next dimension. What a horrible weasel.

[@rudolfsanchez9855]

sociopath is a psychopath

[@rudolfsanchez9855]

acts without thinking or feeling

[@youwillnotgetmyintents]

what

[@ticani2]

2 questions, what is a fair punishment for Sam, and how much money did Alemeda actually lose all said and done

[@Ryanrobi]

CZ is likely one of the next ones to go down

[@Greg021153]

SBF was noting that he wasn't human...he was observing his own not-humnaness...does that make him a sociopath? Possibly...is there e a difference between a sociopath and a criminal sociopath, or is one only just waiting to become the other?

[@volpe_sol]

Sam is like: “But the politicians i lobbyed for guaranteed i would not suffer any consequences if i helped them to launder Ukraine’s proxy war dollars…I dont understand!”

[@northerngirl4666]

Huh? Are you on drugs or a Russian troll?

[@gen-X-trader]

I really don't think so, I think he's just an ADHD guy who like many others with this condition can't understand the risks they face or the consequences of their actions until it's too late. If he was some kind of mastermind he would already have been in a non-extradition country with a lot of the money before he was ever arrested.

[@AbuAfakski]

Lose the orange glasses

[@youwillnotgetmyintents]

Hmm

[@galatasarayca]

Haseeb is wrong - Marc Cohoades knew and called it out since May 2022 but no one listened

[@seawolf3565]

Witnesses may not have been given much choice, they can be subpoenaed and could be held in contempt if they refused to answer questions

[@cestmoifu1406]

Right? Right? RIGHT?!?!

[@govindagovindaji4662]

28:07 What would SBF care about saving money~? It is not his money ~ we already know how he looks at other people's money.

[@MikeDemarais]

what’s the yellow can tom is drinking? i need to know

[@rudolfsanchez9855]

criminal depends on the judgment of the judge

[@lolainma3218]

Take a shot after this guy says “right” after every third word… 🍻

[@itsallgettingbetter]

Yes!

[@exserentia]

wait are you guys pulling a switcheroo or did gabriel always look like a disheveled avi felman?

[@BigSnowman626]

The user says don’t take my words for it.😊😊😊😊😊 read it yourself

[@jackasswhiskyandpintobeans9344]

Tom, people can see you playing with your hair. Why does it seem that people involved in crypto always have weird unkempt hair? Haseeb has no hair and of the four look the most professional.

[@spencerhardy8667]

Classic headphones vs ear plugs.

[@nickpavia9021]

Tom's hair looks fine. He can play with it as much as he wants.

[@jackasswhiskyandpintobeans9344]

@@nickpavia9021 Women play with their hair. Men aren't supposed to care.

[@aerotube7291]

I suspect he's wearing last year's cryptostyle🤣

[@davidbentley4731]

Someone suggested that he maybe on the autistic/Asperger’s spectrum. I think there is a bit to be said for that diagnosis. It does feel like there is a bit beyond that though given all the money he spent on getting into the famous circle. So there’s definitely an egomania there too.

[@kamalashraf4846]

What happened to tom?

[@AbuAfakski]

Yes, he is

[@appealingalex3825]

Lewis is an apologetic for SPF

[@FizzleFX]

SBF...Sam Bankman Fried

[@northerngirl4666]

… apologist.

[@craiglewis5733]

Yes, he is.

[@michaelm2525]

SBF For President! Running on the Democratic Ticket of course…

[@edwardk75]

When the stupid 3rd of AmeriKa doesn’t realize THEY are the bad guys and that the entire damn world is (still) laughing the F out at them. 😂😂😂

[@rudolfsanchez9855]

he should claim insanity plea

[@rudolfsanchez9855]

thus not accountable for his actions. smart but insane

[@tommyfrans4478]

Sam will be in prison soon and he will find a world of cons inside those bars. Make sure he does not get to go onto a Glamour Slammer.

[@carterrennerfeldt1607]

Haseeb is like the LAST person I'd want to do business with!

[@chrissheppard5068]

I am looking forward to him getting sent down for what will be life and the look on his face. He has no capacity for the truth reality or contrition. He looks like a CHMO so he is going to need some KY for Christmas.

[@SG-dg6oi]

I sure hope that pudgy doughboy is doing a lot of situps and pushups cuzzz homeys in the common area of cellblock F are gonn mess him up! LOL

[@ronaldl2450]

Mad maxine

[@downkoadRumble]

So everyone is saying to fade L1s right now, its all about L2s. but why would i buy (MATIC, ARB, OP) when BASE is gonna eat their lunch? or say i do buy (Matic, ARB, OP) and a few months later ZKsync comes out with a token an thats the hot new thing. or Starkware comes out with a token. then there is $METIS which Vitalik Mom works for or runs, will she get an unfair advantage ? then there is old L2s like OMG and Loopring. there are just too many L2s. also when we are in the next bull run ETH gas will go back up to hundreds of dollars, episcally during NFT mints, and when that happens why wouldnt people look at L1s like SOL, AVAX, NEAR.... i just dont understand this investment thesis. what are your thoughts? For some reason my comments from other accounts are not showing up

[@FizzleFX]

47:38 lmao of it was hard to find!! Wrong!! Its easy to find. When ppl guarantee 20% returns? Or say 'a school dropout onows more than all of science?' Thats not hard to figure out! But GREED is so strong Perhaps the only thing stronger than stupidity! Thats a fact you can't argue with. Ppl love to hear a dream and thats why 'oh we do this next year' works for ten years and nobody gives a shit. Jesus. You give people far too much credit. If everyone was half as reasonable as me the world be great but that aint the case. It's a case of print and repeat and stupidity gets applauded.. Ugh. anyone investing into crypto is on oar with a flatearther. That's all. Idiocy meets paranoid hysteria meets [see above]

[@elliotoliver8679]

Try and get thru a sentance without saying 'yknow' it's annoying and infantile. Turned off half way thru this.

[@ronaldl2450]

Gary ginsler jail

[@ywueeee]

liked the oud video UI more, this one is too feminine

[@BigSnowman626]

Script kiddies 😅😅😅 where they at now?

[@youwillnotgetmyintents]

kiddies

[@tiaremaui]

Really? Leave Trump out pls.

[@karlyncostello6902]

Asperger Syndrome?

[@tbhat10]

Fft

[@downkoadRumble]

Hey, everyone is saying to fade L1s right now. it's all about L2s. but why would i buy (MATIC, ARB, OP) when BASE is gonna eat their lunch? or say i do buy (Matic, ARB, OP) and a few months later ZKsync comes out with a token an thats the hot new thing. or Starkware comes out with a token. then there is $METIS which Vitalik Mom works for or runs, will she get an unfair advantage ? then there is old L2s like OMG and Loopring. there are just too many L2s. also when we are in the next bull run ETH gas will go back up to hundreds of dollars, episcally during NFT mints, and when that happens why wouldnt people look at L1s like SOL, AVAX, NEAR.... i just dont understand this investment thesis. what are your thoughts? For some reason, my comments from other accounts are not showing up. I'm not sure why. 7474