Is Scott Pilgrim Takes Off MISSING Something?

[@LSMark]

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[@ethantoonshd3119]

maybe

[@Relcilisity_Official]

@@ethantoonshd3119 yup

[@kyletoons9821]

Alright

[@Coconut_Prrson]

This video was amazing. You're the first youtuber who I see truly understands how great the Scott Pilgrim universe really is. If you were to reread the comics, you would see again how Ramona in there also had a huge character arc, and all of the secondary cast had their lil struggles and trials too

[@Relcilisity_Official]

@@Coconut_Prrson yup

[@JustinZarian]

Fun fact for those who don’t know. To note Mark’s comment about the movie’s rushed ending, the comic wasn’t finished when the movie was made. So Edgar Wright and writer Michael Bacall created that ending presumably off Bryan Lee O’Malley’s notes. But O’Malley liked their ending so much that he basically reinterpreted it as the comic’s ending. So in a way, the ending of the comic couldn’t exist without the movie ending

[@TheKillerMoth]

he also mentioned that in the video

[@JustinZarian]

@@TheKillerMoth but not in full context

[@Fluffy6555]

​@@JustinZarianwhat context was missed?

[@zannzabar5197]

it's very Fullmetal Alchemist in a funny type of way. The original anime caught up to the end of the manga, manga wasn't finished but the anime needed an ending so the anime team did their own thing with the author's approval and everyone celebrates. Fast forward a few years and then FMA:Brotherhood gets released which is closer to the manga and has the manga ending. Everyone celebrates yet again. Love it when this happens. Basically double dipping a good time.

[@Rozemyne2314]

@@zannzabar5197 although original FMA did not just deviate the anime ending but the ENTIRE story. its basically its own thing at that point. we dont even get Father in the first run

[@grifgaming436]

20:28 I disagree with this. The show made a point to show that both Scott and Ramona were at fault. Both fell back into old habits. Scott thought they were divorced, while Ramona says they were on a break. Neither of the seem to have communicated on what their relationship was, Scott fell back on his immaturity, and Romona ran away like she did with her exs. Future Romona could’ve stopped this just by talking w/Scott, but instead she tried fixing the problem in a round-a-bout way by giving young Neil a script about Scott’s life.

[@IfritBoi]

Facts, lack of communication and running was pretty much what Scott and Ramona were all about before and after their relationship in pretty much all the adaptations. Being straight-forward ends a lot of problems if not solves it all together even IRL. How did Mark completely miss all of that?

[@derp_wolf9688]

Not to mention the fact that he thinks that scott was the same scott from episode 1, not rembering that while scott didnt have the first hand experience of what haopened he indirectly saw and heard both time lines stories, ams learned that he hasnt grown up at all in almost 15 years

[@cluckbucketz]

Yeah, that's why future Ramona doesn't fix the problem on her own. Just like Scott, Ramona has to swear to make sure that future never happens.

[@husariuspl117]

yeah even older Scott even mentions her running off as usually and present Ramona has that whole moment looking back at all her break ups

[@masterDarts4188]

But only Scott is the antagonist

[@pokemonfan1231001]

Mark I feel like you might have missed the parts where it's mentioned that they were only separated 12 to 13 years AFTER the honeymoon so when old Scott kidnapped Scott it had only been around a year or two into the separation. Only after he became even older Scott did it become more than 10 years and it had only devolved to this point because old Ramona asked for space and when Scott knowing Ramona's tendencies thought they were permanently over. It's also revealed that all she wanted was for him to reach out again which implies that in that time she very much could have just tried to get back in contact with him but she didn't because as even older Ramona was telling Ramona that she should let go of it meaning to run away she too ran away from the responsibility of communication necessary in all good relationships and doubly necessary when she knows Scott's a bit of an idiot who also isn't good at communication.

[@st4pidP3son]

Yes, you're so right.

[@massiveidiot77]

?????????

[@MasterMemo]

This difference in gap is important. If it's movie timeline, like Mark said, Nega Scott wasn't absorbed (or even fought?) He's just shitbag Scott. But yeah, they were only apart for like a year or so and Scott went away, cause Ramona is a runner. The 10 years was after OG Scott left

[@Mankey619]

The break between future Scott and Ramona is a very huge mess here. Even I can't tell which ones to blame for in that plot.

[@gatst7680]

@@Mankey619 I think they both are It's more focused on Scott but Ramona never reached out either for that amount of time, hell she didn't even know he was training for 10 years Scott gave her space because he thought she was running from him, and she ran from him because he never tried to talk to her in all that time

[@zilikslider]

I can't believe Scott the Woz has a anime series

[@horaciomilo4113]

Hey all Scott here

[@Eudaimonia7564]

Besides the name I’m confused on what the similarities are, is it because they’re both nerds

[@skeletorthepublicnuisance6707]

@horaciomilo4113 *hey all

[@horaciomilo4113]

@@skeletorthepublicnuisance6707 lol I changed it 👌

[@dravenmartinez6311]

​@@Eudaimonia7564Nerd people who play games

[@awesomeChris919]

I like Scott being the one that gets sent to the future. I really like the scene where Scott meets future Romona and tells her that he’s been watching everything that was going on in the past while he was gone. How there’s a different Romona that’s not running away from her past due to her care for Scott. It shows future Romona that she can change and to stop running away from her past, which she inevitably does when she saves them from future Scott by confronting him after 10 years. I also really like how all of the robots mannerisms were a lot like Scott, and that’s because it was actually Scott all along. Makes for a for a fun rewatch, it’s like Scott isn’t there but he is you know.

[@reljabosnjak6750]

YOOOO i didnt even think about the robot being Scott

[@hairlessgrizzly559]

I really do like that they used this iteration of the story to focus on Ramona and her relationships with the exes, and also giving the exes their own characters, it was nice

[@techne360]

Roxy and knives got such better stories this time ❤ Like I guess all the exes because originally they just... died. But Roxy was rightfully upset (if a bit hot headed) at her for leading her on 😭 And Knives got to persue a whole music career, which is so much better than just being the girl who fights for Scott and doesn't get him. Especially since she obviously loves music so much 😊

[@bonziboyspy]

yeah this was a huge part of what made me love it giving the exes more development is really nice it definitely caught me off guard but I don't mind the approach at all

[@whotfduece08]

@@techne360 knives def didn't. I know in the comics it was kinda sad for her t just chase scott(a guy who clearly doesn't care about her) but after the second volume, she already basically moves on and kind of forgets scott. Knives in the show doesn't really do anything and is just kind of in the background

[@anubis7457]

Does Envy Adams get more development? She was pretty interesting, being Scott's own kind-of-evil ex.

[@gulorful8488]

I think you missed the part where Knives points out Ramona cheated on the twins simultaneously, similar to how Scott did the same to Ramona and Knives. It explains why Ramona didn't react to finding out Scott cheated on them both because she did the same thing.

[@kanyaebruh]

I feel like older Scott fans wouldnt feel as weird about this show if they advertised it to be what it actually is, I get it was on purpose but that still doesn't make it any less bitter sweet.

[@utuberz123456789]

Yeah, I get wanting to keep the twist a secret, but they probably shouldn't have sold it on FINALLY being that perfect anime adaptation of the graphic novels with the movies cast

[@kanyaebruh]

@@utuberz123456789 when I was hearing that it wasn't, my chest got so tight for a moment lmao

[@josephorelien3192]

​@@kanyaebruhwhy though. Like why must we have this feeling man!? I just couldn't finish the series at all man. It looks like a good idea but I just can't finish it. I watched till episode 3

[@hectormarcelo7867]

but for me thats probably the best part, I watched the sneak peak and the trailers and I was so exited to see finally the perfect adaptation from the comic with all the great parts that were cut off from the movie, but watching all that I was always feeling like something was off, and when I watched the first ep and it took another direction to a completely new story that expand the world so much it took off guard and was such a great experience I thought I wanted a perfect retelling of the same story but what I needed was incredible complement to what I already have of that. For me the best one still the original comic but as much I love the movie, takes off is just something completely different and what I hope for the future of any franchise that isn't just a soulless reboot that the first ep looks so much like, we dont need more Scott he has 6 books and a movie let the others have some fun to (mainly Ramona becuse her character needed so much in terms of well ...character)

[@dazerdmrz]

​@@hectormarcelo7867I would say we do need more Scott, seeing the books adapted into an animated series would be great.

[@Im_connorreviews]

I think the point was that Ramona was a part of the problems with the relationship. Because she does get called out for running away a lot in this series alone. But I wish it was conveyed more clearly.

[@theploymaker]

I think if they made future Ramona "the problem" and made it clear that her own lack of character growth was the reason their relationship didn't work out, then the scene at the end where ramona accepts her and hugs her and they morph together would be a really cool parallel to Scott accepting nega scott in the graphic novels.

[@strongdanaspiringstrongman2877]

I fell in love with the Scott Pilgrim story (I'm pretty sure) my freshman year of high school when the movie came out. It was as you described a sensory experience I have not gotten before to since from a movie. Then I went on to the graphic novels and feel in a deeper love with the story and deeper themes. It left a little bit of disappointment that the movie couldnt in a way live up to the novels, but this show hit that same narrative/characterization nerve. After I realized what was happened I felt myself falling in love with the series again.

[@Juniverse0]

One one hand, I can understand the disappointment of some fans for not getting a 1:1 adaptation of the source-material, but I can also understand why Brian didn’t want to tell the same story for a third time. For me this approach worked well enough.

[@IfritBoi]

There's also the fact that Bryan and his friends' parts of their personal lives are in the comic adaptation

[@deltunes4315]

I love this ending for basically showing us what happened to Scott and Ramona after the end of the comics (even if things in this version didn’t end well). I really wish we’d have gotten to see “Old” variants of other characters and see what they’re up to. I wanna see what Kim and Stephen and Knives and the other exes are up to :(

[@jaydenlopez3636]

It's not the same Scott from the comics o mally confirmed it

[@longwlenguyen4214]

⁠​⁠@@jaydenlopez3636Yeah O’Malley confirmed that the anime is it own thing, an alternate retelling rather than pure adaption, I mean old Scott and future Scott called Young Neil “Old Young Neil” instead of just Neil like comic Scott, indicating Takes Off Scott didn’t meet Lisa, didn’t learn from his mistakes, didn’t realize what a crappy person he is, didn’t fuse with Nega Scott or growth and develop as a person, ironically Takes Off Ramona is basically comic Scott.

[@deltunes4315]

Scott may have missed out on the development he had in the comics and movie, but it’s exactly that we’ve seen that development that I like this series. Instead of seeing the same character development for a third time, we actually get to flesh out the exes and other side characters.

[@angeloramirez4494]

I feel like this is the main problem with the video. Mark kinda glosses over this while acknowledging the major focus on all the other exes and side characters that didn’t get as much depth as in the comics and movie.

[@Donaldthe]

that's kind of the issue this whole thing is pointless since scott never developed or grew he's just gonna end up like future Scott

[@metrodraws3806]

I think it would be sweet if we got a season 2 with a little more scott that does help him grow more and learn from his mistakes to show how his relationship is with all the characters

[@soullessmin]

and more Katayanagi Twins :D

[@Sireington]

Well [SPOILER WARNING] There is that little mid-credits scene showing Gordon and Julie scheming

[@Fancy2209Real]

Unfortunately I believe it was confirmed season 2 won't happen

[@soullessmin]

@@Fancy2209Real 😭

[@EduardoRato420]

We could maybe just maybe get Lisa Miller

[@comixproviderftw_02]

This series is definitely going for the Evangelion Rebuild movie route. Where it starts off like the original story but takes a huge left turn and diverges from it later on.

[@murderman8578]

Eva rebuilds works because you can watch them independently from the TV series and the Manga which tells it's own version of the narrative You can't say that about Scott Pilgrim

[@Carlosdreamur]

@@murderman8578except you can watch the original movie and comics? You’re talking like the show replaced them

[@roadsidepicnic7989]

@@Carlosdreamur counter point: I think the original comment was talking about an animated adaptation of the original Scott Pilgrim works, which still does not exists. As such, the only was to experience Scott Pilgrim is only the books or the live action movie, which the people who wanted an animated adaptation did not want. While I like the current animated show, I feel it would make a better season two than as its own thing.

[@jikorijo4516]

I sort of see the Eva comparisons, but I felt like you had to have read the comics or seen the film before watching this newest iteration of Scott Pilgrim, otherwise you wouldn’t actually understand what’s going on. Whereas with the Rebuild of Eva films, you could still follow it despite the changes and having not seen the original tv series/films

[@jikorijo4516]

@@roadsidepicnic7989To me, the Netflix Scott Pilgrim felt like DLC you add onto a preexisting video game.

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

Binged the entire thing, had the dumbest smile on my face the entire time. It was really interestingwhat they did with it. This show is awesome and I hope it gets more seasons.

[@maxresdefault_]

They definitely call out Ramona for running away from her problems, the last episode has Ramona admit that she runs away from everything she loves while Scott takes her love for him as a given

[@Saintdidntdoit]

Agreed, the marketing was a terrible idea. I think it would’ve been much more appreciated given proper representation because it’s not a bad show. I just can’t see the future conflicts or need for a season two

[@thabeast5833]

Maybe because Im not a die hard scott pilgrim fan and stuff, but I actually really liked the show, the animation, the music, the quirkiness that we see from all the other characters was amazing, and felt like a fresh of breathe air from a stale cartoon era, every show doesn't feel like something that's really good. Hard to explain, but i was actually laughing, and jaw dropped to the animation, and everything just felt nice, like when your parent tries to get you something that they think you'd like, and you actually feel it warm and thoughtful.

[@thefirefridge5187]

I think the trade off was well worth it. Sure, we could have gotten the same story again but anime, but would that really be worth more than getting more backstory on the ex's, giving Ramona the arc she deserved, seeing a bunch of cool new fights and so much more? Like I just can't imagine how "the same story but again in animation" would in any way be better than brand new content that rewards long time fans.

[@capitatecab6049]

Fair but i really don’t understand this argument Stardust Crusaders has gotten two adaptations, that means there are 3 versions of the original story And the only thing they change really is tone, pacing and direction Does that mean it was a bad idea to adapt it 2 times when people can just read the original story?

[@projectmessiah]

​@@capitatecab6049That would be dumb for Stardust Crusaders though because the new JoJo anime isn't just an adaptation of Stardust Crusaders it's an adaptation of the whole manga which besides part 3 was mostly not adapted. Also unlike the Scott Pilgrim movie which is even more popular than the comics the part 3 ova wasn't that well received and was barely even known outside of Japan and the very small western JoJo community pre 2012.

[@kippdipp6045]

Honestly, I just wanted to see my fav moment from the books animated in the great artstyle and having a more digestible way to introduce my friends and family to the main story, I love the movie, but many parts are rushed as fitting 6 books into 1 movie isn't easy. So yeah, I was kinda disappointed, but SPTO is still really good which is why I feel so conflicted about it all.

[@capitatecab6049]

@@projectmessiah True

[@brianpacheco9606]

At first I was caught off guard by how different it was but then I grew to love it, it gives the other characters more depth than the movie had

[@Ayrichu]

As someone who was super into scott pilgrim as a teen, honestly the shift in tone and story with scott being put to the side and letting the other characters really shine was super awesome! Especially giving a bit more humanity to the exes, and plus the art style and animation is SO GOOD and SO CUTE like god

[@strongdanaspiringstrongman2877]

Also I do believe it was implied that it was Ramona's tendency to run away when facing a difficult point in a relationship was the reason that Scott became like that. As said in one of the episodes she told him she "needed space" and that plus the question of whether or not Scott is implied to be on the autism spectrum

[@RhayaTsunhe]

I would argue that Scott did get his nega scott moment, even though it isnt as strong as the books, when he met his future self. Also knives was in her battle outfit in the final scene because everyone was in their game costumes with their game weapons (everyone pulled them out of ramonas bag) My main problem with the show is the fact that Scott is meant to have a bad memory of the past because of the glow and only think of himself in a good light, but kim retells the past as scott remembers it. Its a small change but its one of the biggest things that paints scott as a bad person

[@Rozemyne2314]

An explanation for how scott grew as a character even though he was gone for 6 episodes is that he got a speedrun version of experiencing the story through the eyes of current timeline Robot from the future which is how he was able to grow and learn even if he wasnt there. Or at least thats how i took it when he saw the past in the vr chamber

[@FriendlyToons]

Thank you that is exactly it! I was going to write the same thing.

[@kirbymario2633]

He also picks up on the fact that something is up with old Scott via the last slide he made on that virtual boy, so it’s fair to say he picked up on his flaws between all of that

[@Donaldthe]

@@kirbymario2633 he wasn't THERE for the experiences though so he probably wouldn't have learned anything Scott only learned he was a terrible person when he accepted nega scott which unclouded his memories

[@VexKingYoutube]

Scott Pilgrim Takes Off was my first introduction to the series and I really enjoyed it.

[@terraemiya8448]

I always liked that scott and ramona were both like kinda terrible people. it was interesting and in a way they sorta deserve eachother, Scott and Ramona both used the people around them, we get 6 whole books of scott mostly doing this and it's heavily implied and even directly stated how badly ramona treated some of her exes. I was really REALLY excited to finally see the series as an anime then heard all the shenanigans about it being different and now i'm just kinda bummed. Even if the series does look pretty good i have to accept that the series i was hyping up in my mind the last few months doesn't exist so i might watch it eventually.

[@awesomefox555]

I like the idea that this older future version of Scott is the one specifically from the movie and not from the book and he fell out with Ramona because the whole story and what it meant for both of them went by too fast. Like, Scott has WAY WAY WAY more character moments and reconciliation in the book and the book took place over the course of over a year instead of the movie where it took place over a few weeks. Maybe the reason this other timeline happened was because it was literally doomed by the format of the narrative where they had to fit so much in that it wasn’t given enough time to sink in properly.

[@AspenFrostt]

i absolutely loved it. as someone who grew up reading the novels over and over, it was awesome to see a new story being told. it was fun to see these characters have more depth and in full animated color. the ending of ep one was shocking but that was the point and hey. i had fun binging it and i feel like thats what stories need to be, fun! this feels like a passion project from everyone involved and people are getting too demanding from the wrong studios these days. dont get me wrong, it would have been amazing having the books animated but having 3 ways to watch the same story seems tedious and i much prefer the way they went with things. it was fun!

[@HarrisBoe]

So some background info, taken from an interview with the creators of the show: The reason for changing things up the way they did was because Brian Lee O’Malley didn’t know where else to go with the series. This idea is what pulled him out of a creative block. Understandable, since so many of the most memorable characters were killed in the original. And he said he didn’t want to just retell the same story yet again. The reason the show was advertised the way it was is simply because they considered “90% of the show to be spoilers” Also, when Edgar Wright emailed all the actors asking if they’d reprise their roles, they all accepted within mere hours. It was basically an automatic yes from everyone, which makes me think they must’ve had an absolute blast making the movie. Mary Elizabeth Winstead didn’t even know about the change to the plot until she was practically in the recording studio, months after accepting the role.

[@cosmicgem7775]

This is definitely the best video talking about this show! You summed up most of my feelings about the show really well! Great job as always!

[@normallyscott563]

I think I like that a season 2 would be a logical next step for both the book and the show, with the show being an alternative retelling but more suited to those who have also read the book. Requires a bit of homework but it's kinda satisfying.

[@Bucket_Taylor]

I really hope there's going to be adaptations of O'Malley's other works like Seconds or Lost At Sea, because I'm all Scott Pilgrim'd out for the time being. BUT considering this is a re-telling I'm more on bored with it, the one thing I wish I got more was characters just hanging out and living their best lives (The closest to that has to be the small Kim comic strips O'malley made)

[@notitemname]

Edgar Wright works on the live action adaptation of Seconds as writer and producer(I don't know about the director)

[@Yunone]

Blake Lively, wife of Ryan Reynolds, star of The Shallows, and director of the Taylor Swift music video I Bet You Think About Me

[@mersunarytigre]

I appreciate the series creator expanding on the characters and all but damn, most of us just wanted to see Scott fight Ramona's exes in high quality animation man. The lack of seeing Scott fighting definitely left me wanting more. Otherwise as a "dlc/what-if/psuedo-sequel", this is good.

[@royponeage2138]

personally i think when they fuse ramona has the realization that it was partially her fault she avoided the problems in the future and needed to fix it just as much as her past self needed a reminder not to bail expecting scott to wise up at some point, and that to do that she may need past scott to have future scotts realization that that is a problem and if he wants to avoid being like future scott that, he'll need to both wise up and reach out. its just a framework thing that doesnt really make it obvious cause ya got the obvious man child big boss guy calmed down by ex machina future ramona acting comparatively calmer but you still sit there and think, wait he was in a garage for 10 years after the first time she had to time travel? Didn't talk to him or nothing till the fight went down?

[@alan_galan]

You nailed it. It didn’t even come off as subtle to me either, the entire show is building up to Ramona’s realization of her own flaws and it finally dawns on her after fusing with a future version of herself who never grew past these flaws. I’m surprised Mark misinterpreted this.

[@gutsyGumshoe]

I think the show indirectly caused Scott to seem like a much better person by making his ex's not really important to anything. if its from the complete dismissal of Envy and honestly removing any depth she had in the first place to Kim's backstory with Scott being rewritten in a way which makes Scott never guilty of anything and also just the actual understanding of why Knives and Scott even became a thing and how bad of a mindset he had at the time to even go through with it.

[@gutsyGumshoe]

I understand why they did it and I understand its "a different Scott" but man :/

[@mawinstallation6626]

Yeah, the show was inconsistent about Scott himself, and IMO, Todd and Envy too. They feel like completely different characters despite this being a "What If...?" where they retain their personalities and their pasts are the same. Completely weird that they retconned/ignored Scott's fight to save Kim, for example (The idea Gideon had implanted in him)

[@losisansgaming2628]

0:02 hey its the great clement!

[@93djkardiak]

In the game you have different endings based on which character you choose to play as. I like to look at the anime in that sense. It’s like a fun little “what if?” spin on the story.

[@zeta2209]

As someone who watched Takes Off as a complete newbie to Scott Pilgrim, then went back to the comics and movie, I love the show. While I definitely do understand the disappointment of not having a straight adaptation (especially when it comes to characters and plot points like Scott’s exes that don’t have proper on-screen representation), I like the approach they took because it felt like each iteration was building on the same set of characters, even if events transpired differently. There’s a real sense of progression in seeing the same characters make more mature decisions under different circumstances. Ramona especially being forced to confront her own emotional business from a lover leaving, and her exes learning to move on in a world without anyone to take revenge on is fantastic. Also the anime style definitely fits better with the energy of the series overall. Cooler fights, cuter designs, and able to inject the serious moments into fun scenes without feeling cheesy.

[@JH-pe3ro]

As a longtime fan of Scott Pilgrim(both books and movie), I suspected this reaction would be what most new viewers had. The show works as the second half of a Kishōtenketsu(four part) storytelling structure, by using a "revealing" twist. Doing it in a new series, long after the fact, is a real surprise, and when the twist appears, even in one-season anime, it often marks a polarizing moment in fan discussion, so of course it would be the same here. Making it a second loop telling adds more layers to the lore, and also corrects some ways in which the story could previously be misunderstood, especially the movie telling, as "Scott beats up some guys and gets the girl". And this correction will always piss off some fans. There's an article in web magazine Strange Horizons describing the phenomenon of "Kirk Drift" - which is precisely this kind of misunderstanding. In the article, it's Star Trek's Captain Kirk being normalized into a "brash womanizer" archetype, instead of a wise, deliberate tactician. In the case of Scott Pilgrim, the show's new context makes it primarily Ramona's story, while denying the possibility that Scott has somehow been "purified" by beating the ex's, by making his older self an antagonist. It's slightly more tragic as an ending because it asserts that the relationship is likely to never have a "happily ever after", but it's also very mature in conveying a journey-not-the-destination sense of what romance and friendship can be.

[@RebelCityEejit]

I thought it was a refreshing thing to have the show do a plot twist that caught me off guard, like three episodes in realising that the plot twist was sitting there in the title. It's genius. It also did a lot in making a lot of these one-dimensional boss and supporting characters feel more fleshed out, which is pretty damn impressive in 8 episodes. Plus it looks like they're going to do a second season so you'll definitely get more Scott Pilgrim in your Scott Pilgrim show there

[@masterkdude]

I don’t think they want a 2nd season so fast

[@meabu1935]

​@@masterkdudenah, if Netflix sees money their gonna throw more at it

[@inkdragoon4547]

Bryan Lee O'Malley and Ben David's have recently said that they don't have any ideas for a season 2 and don't currently have any plans to make one, but might if they do get an idea they like. So, we might get a season 2, but it's unlikely.

[@WunderwaffePrime]

​@@inkdragoon4547it feels as if the ending implies the possibility of another season.

[@Jose_Doe]

That's not genius what

[@MarioDiamond63]

Honestly watching through the vid, I agree with your points. It’s so weird, I love this show, but also get why others dislike it or feel something is missing. Great video man!

[@Turak500]

What enjoyed this show mainly for was seeing so much more of the evil exes just being… people. Seeing them just goofing around outside this whole league thing. Like Lucas and Gidion for example :D

[@Chillaccino1]

“You mean Gordon... Gordon, Goose?”

[@AKImeru]

Do we? Do we treat the future Ramona as in the right? She admits to running away, merges with current timeline Ramona and turns to Scott, ADMITS FAULT and asks for his help to improve as a human being. Is this 'perfect being portrayed as being right'? If anything the series clearly shows Ramona did something wrong, and then future Scott Pilgrim couldn't handle it and did bad things about it. It is portrayed as more nuanced as a one sided beef.

[@cramlink6455]

Man I strongly agree with your opinion, I feel the same, maybe if Scott returned in episode 4 or so, we could have had some cool development for him as well as this new take on the story

[@treble_yt9085]

LS mark, your story at the beginning is the exact same story as me, but the first Scott Pilgrim introduction I had was when I played the videogame when I was 9, You probably won't see this comment but you are my favorite movie guy And I am so happy you made this video

[@chicagobigchungusbobungus8842]

I think you’re missing that Ramona’s dealing with her evil exes on her own, sort of helps show that Ramona didn’t go through the growth she needed to in the “original timeline.” Like, she didn’t really have the conversation she needed to learn that she needs to stop running from her relationship when they get difficult. It seems like a lapse in communication, Ramona wasn’t really willing to explain what the problem was so she left Scott, which lead to Scott growing bitter and evil. But just because Scott wasn’t the soul person at fault, doesn’t mean he didn’t contribute to the breakup. I feel like the show is kinda realistic about. Whenever I’ve broken up or taken a break from a partner, it hasn’t always been “their fault.” Now that I think of it, that’s kinda Scott’s Achilles heel. Whenever he breaks up with someone he immediately blames all his problems on them instead of reflecting, or he just forgets and assumes it all went fine. Hope that helps! Edit: also I do think it’s fair to ask, even if this was Scott from the original timeline, would it be unfair that he struggles with being better? I don’t think so. Again, I think that’s kinda the reality creeping it. Problems don’t begin and end with you acknowledging them, you have to actually take steps to improve yourself. In all endings of Scott pilgrim, I’ve never been entirely convinced that he would be able to do that smoothly.

[@jowoman7799]

I personally still prefer the movie.

[@NovastarDoughnut]

Oh yeah, future scott is totally in character. That bitch spent years dwelling in Wallices basement completely unemployed after envy broke up with him. He gained massive trauma around growing his hair out after that. Imagine what happens to scott with years of relationships on his belt, a marriage and then a breakup. He is going to throw the longest, saddest pity party.

[@reddz7240]

The movie was cool. But Ramona was boring, a bit of a damsel, a "prize" to be won. Seeing Scott and Ramona both fight for eachother, both grow as characters, this was much better.

[@Revealingstorm.]

​@@jowoman7799movie will always be the classic thing that everyone fell in love with. Sure this new story exists but it'll never touch the original comic and story

[@jowoman7799]

​@@reddz7240Hard disagree. Especially since Scott had way more development in the movie to grow into that good person.

[@UltiB247]

Man you made a LOT of good points with this video- I don’t know if you’ve seen it already, but Johnny2Cellos made a video on the anime and makes a lot of fun points that kind of lean where I am about the anime. but seeing your video gave a bit more perspective- One flaw to me is how reliant the anime seems to be on you already being aware of the SP franchise prior, but at the same time, it wants you to acknowledge the series as it’s own thing- it’s a bit antithetical, when you think about it- A lot of Ramona’s shitty behavior is revealed to Scott in his defeat of all the exes, so getting the opportunity to flip that on its head is a great idea in concept, but does leave me wanting more given the execution; to really see and test Ramona if the relationship is worth investing in- Something that’s consistent with Ramona is that she’s constantly running away- she’s always in control of how the relationship ends, even the movie brings this up- but here? She had no control over this, the relationship ended abruptly- So I find her motivation, that “what could have been” thought process? To be really engaging, and in a way kind of align with how Ramona would act (at least, that’s how she comes off to me) I agree with your point with being at a middle ground, because if a season 2 ever happens (really hoping it does) it allows us to actually see the beginning of that relationship, with Scott being the only one left behind character wise- and even though that future Scott was defeated, it’s not like their timeline was suddenly erased from existence- I’m not sure what logic it runs under, but I’d like to see that Scott, despite facing his inner demons, is still capable of becoming that person- that just because you become aware of your flaws, doesn’t mean they go away- it’s that “awareness” of them that shows a testament to one’s character- that growing takes 100% effort Defeating the exes gave him a chance to be with Ramona, but with the way things are now, it’s more a question of if Scott is willing to stay with Ramona, despite the rough patches. As always, really good video, I really enjoyed it, I think I rambled for a bit longer than desired 😅 Note: I find it funny that everyone’s lives significantly improved the second that Scott left-

[@C0micfan]

Kind of wish that Ramona would’ve given Julie a heads up of Gordon. Like they treat him like he’s just a regular ex, but no… The dude wanted to keep Romona as a dang collectible… and did it with his other exes. He has a collection of former girlfriends cryogenically preserved.

[@Iloveyou-dz7mq]

I want to believe that this is the movie universe and not the comic universe, Gideon in this one is the movie Gideon where he doesn't have the frozen exes. Idk maybe that's just me.

[@OneofmanyASMR]

The creator confirmed this is an alternative timeline (close but not the same as the movie or book) it's why they fall apart in this version but not the book. So in this version gidion just didint do those things (they definitely should have said it in story but if it's any comfort in this story hes not THAT evil)

[@trashboat5388]

That’s hot in her eyes

[@nightlypm]

I think the best way to view this show is a compliment to the series, its own thing. It highlights certains characters like the exes and Ramona, and shows us more about their life than other media did, and “what-if” Arcs that totally could’ve been plausible after Scott beats them. I would love a mashed-up tl with these two but I know the lore would go all over the place, so i rather treat it as a side thing to show us more depth.

[@Larchy]

I like how they've handled the adaptions. Most of the time the adaptation can never meet the original, that's why people always tell you to read the source material because it's just superior than the adaptation. So I think them using this as a way to tell another story with the same characters and world is very enjoyable. We got the graphic novels, the movie, the game, and now this Netflix adaptation. You can experience so much Scott Pilgrim without them all retreading the same material. I think if anyone wanted the original source material adapated 1:1, they should just read the graphic novels because that'll never happen. When people try to adapt 1:1, they end terribly.

[@KasaiKouhai]

My biggest hope though is that season 2 deals with Scott’s issues but this time with a developed Ramona being able to take a bigger role in helping him deal with his issues and both further develop. If this doesn’t happen I honestly think my rating for the show will go down due to what you’ve said about Scott’s lack of development.

[@frontiersmodel4781]

Had a huge blast watching this anime, really fun and honestly one of the best adaptations I've ever seen

[@bibbitybooper6437]

this was my first ever experience of scott pilgrim (I was drawn in by the beautiful animation) and went on to read all the novels and enjoy them immensely. What a fun place to start i was missing so much lol. Still haven't seen the film though.

[@deltunes4315]

I feel like this series has a lot of holes, but my brain automatically filled those holes with what I know from the comics and movie even if it’s not accurate to the story. Also I think Scott going through the robot’s memories kinda compensates for the development he missed out on.

[@fionna_cool_girl]

My boyfriend showed me the live action Scott Pilgrim movie when we first started dating and I understood why he loved it. I tend to be on the Internet more than him and was actually the one to find out about the anime adaptation and tell HIM about it. He was skeptical at first since he never read the comics but after the show released, we sat down to watch all 8 episodes and we were instantly hooked. I thought everything about it was so great although he had some criticisms about the voice acting and sound effects not being the exact same as the live action movie. He did say a few times "this wasn't in the movie" at which point I had to remind him several times that this is its own thing and we were lucky the original actors came back at all. In the end we loved it and he actually said he was happy that Ramona is more likable. We hope there is more to come and I'm actually planning to get him the original comics for Christmas just so we can say we consumed every telling of Scott Pilgrim except the video game.

[@Sinc3r3ly]

“..becoming a fan of a series that looked like it wasn’t getting anymore content” unironically describes my current hyperfixation, it came out in 2017 and i got into it JUST THIS YEAR and I hate myself for it cause now barely anyone remembers it

[@mightykingwario]

I feel like I'm the only person who was dreading the opposite. I felt I was gonna get bored watching plotlines I already knew from the movie with some added comic stuff they couldn't fit into the runtime of the movie. But once I saw on Twitter that it was a completely different story with the same characters? I got interested in watching it again, and it was fantastic! Maybe my opinions would be different if I liked the movie more (Scott Pilgrim the Movie is my most mixed feelings movie I've ever watched) or read the comics, but I like where they went with this!

[@pizzabagel]

The bait n switch of the trailers kinda reminds me of mgs2, where the trailers had you think you were gonna be playing as snake but instead most of the game you play as Raiden

[@xProErax]

I wish he talked about the ending scene leaving things open for there to be another season of the show. I really hope that is the case and we can be able to move forward with the series and see what could possibly come after the original movie and such. I hope we get to see some fun ideas if it does get a season 2.

[@user-dz7sd8dk9v]

To bad we didn’t get to see or have more details on Ramona past, maybe the reason why she’s always have bad relationships is something to do with her parents, like they probably divorced do to cheating or one of them gave Ramona bad relationship advice.

[@daxsinger6877]

This was Scott pilgrim the pacifist run

[@comfywees3274]

I appreciate the effort of telling a new story. Like... Separating mediums and stories with the same franchise. It kind of feels like the opposite of when a movie or tv show has a book as an accessory.... Scott Pilgrim is a book with a tv show as an accessory and I think that's cool.

[@KingJRool.]

Something is definitely missing They forgot the goddamn Vegan Police

[@bittersweet_BONUS]

I honestly kinda love the subtly in the title, the titles always mean smth when it comes to mr pilgrim, & as soon as episode one ended i had a big, "Ahhhhhh, I get it", im also super happy it isnt totally just movie or book scott, cuz it was bothering me thinking all that development was kinda thrown away

[@gc8568]

I hate the justification people give for the show when others don’t like it. That the creators wanted to do something differently and the comics and movie already exists so it’s fine to do something differently. Except what’s so wrong about finally wanting to see the series animated and moving with the original story. The animation, design, and soundtrack were all great and while the new story isn’t bad it doesn’t make it any less of a bait and switch, with marketing making it seem like an adaptation of the comics, and the creators just saying it’s different before doesn’t even begin to describe how different it is. Not everyone is going to enjoy a twist as large as this, I’ve been patiently waiting to finally see the story in an animated format only to get something completely different. It’s disappointing and irritating. Also Ramona looking for Scott makes no sense. She’s still at the point in her life where she’s running away from her problems, and just because her and Scott has “sparks” still doesn’t justify her being so dedicated to finding him. She hasn’t had the character development to look for him instead of running away again. Again it’s not bad, but people are acting like it’s this perfect recreation when it’s just good. It’s not some piece of media that will change the industry forever. It’s just a solid good series that has its faults and some of the most irritating marketing.

[@bestprawn444]

I’m just glad I’m not the only one to realize that the emotions wasn’t hitting in this one.

[@somecallmesean_]

Mark predicted this show, he drew himself as Scott and talks about Sonic, and Scott talks about Sonic in the first episode

[@michaelcarlton1484]

The comics and the anime are my favorites in the franchise because you get to see all the different sides to the characters, including the leads and all of their exes. The movie failed to give the characters more than just a few traits and changed the theme of self-improvement to "Oh, I just have to believe I'm as cool as I actually like I am". That and they cut out basically the second half of the story. The second half is so important because it shows all of the events that caused Scott's relationships to fail and why he needed to improve to even start a new relationship. It also gave Ramona some development as well as she realizes she needs to stop running away from things. Scott and Ramona's character arcs are to be less toxic and to stop running away and over time those two arcs overlap. Scott realizes that he was horrible to the people around him and didn't put in any effort into his relationships. He then realizes that he can't run away from change and can't run away from Ramona because he loves her so much. Ramona realizes that she kept on getting into relationships not meant to last and that every time she abandoned her partners instead of talking things out. She realizes that she needs to be transparent with Scott and to try and make things work as they both improve as she loves him back just as much. The anime has its own take, but without The Glow or Nega-Scott interfering, Scott and Ramona can't face their pasts. Instead, it takes Ramona trying to find Scott for her to acknowledge her own flaws and to make sure her future self stops running away. Meanwhile, Scott is given a look into his own future that he doesn't deserve and decides that he wants it anyways and will try to make things work even if there might be a rough patch or two.

[@DietermiGamzD125]

This was my first exposure to anything Scott Pilgrim related. I was SO confused. Still great 10/10 already watched twice and recommended it to every living being I've encountered so far.

[@BobbyDoesExist]

I think the comics and this series are something to be experienced together, with the comics focused on Scott’s potential for growth and the series focused on Ramona’s. In the comics there’s a lot of moments where Ramona hints at her past of hurting people and running but it’s never explored, which I was disappointed by. The series really explores that side of Ramona and I appreciate it a lot for that. It’s the same story but the evil exes are defeated in different ways by two different people. I like it a lot.

[@webbweegie]

I think that Takes Off will get a second season where they adapt Scott and Ramona's relationship from the series just without the accompaning evil ex fights. A slice of life series with these new AU version with Scott and Ramona's relationship as the framing device for a season would be really cool.

[@Coperime]

I completely agree with your interpretation of the ending. It's the same problem I have with the new Adventure Time Fionna and Cake's way of handling the main relationship. They say on the surface that the problem stems from both sides of the relationship but somehow they are always hell bent on making one of them be absolved of all wrongdoing. I wouldn't have a problem if both sides were equally in the wrong and had to reconcile in some way.

[@Parkdum]

I was so surprised the moment it started shifting focus, but I was REALLY excited and happy. I've seen scotts story nearly 20 times in movie form. So something new was definitely very exciting

[@lerdherlix6657]

a faithful retelling of the comic story would've been nice, but i loved the alternate take and still have motivation to.. someday, actually read the comics in full. between the comics, movie, and the game having different endings depending on who you beat it with, alternate takes on the story are just a thing in Scott Pilgrim, and i think i could enjoy another anime series that once again shakes things up. these are really fun characters and i love seeing what they do in different situations, especially now that the ex's are more expanded.

[@foxsden]

I didn’t necessarily want a retelling I think the general conciseness was that we wanted an expansion on plotlines that happened in the book that never got expanded on in the movie. Such as fleshing out characters like Gideons whole plot and SUBSPACE!, relationships like Stephen and Joseph, and characters that never got mentioned like LISA, Hollie, Jason, and Joseph. I think the adult swim promo kinda hyped everyone’s expectations up expecting we gonna get something similar... Oh well at least we got Gideon watching anime.

[@camtf24]

I've seen so many ideas of what the original stories trying to say but I like how you put it, good video!

[@Riaah_love]

It’s missing Lisa, fight me on that.

[@AzraqShinji]

BRO LS MARK ACKNOWLEDGING CLEMENT??? Goated

[@jowoman7799]

I completely agree that the movie has more heart. I think if I had to decide which I'd rewatch more it would easily be the movie. It's way more fun and the comedy / editing is just perfect.

[@pablogarcia6188]

Would recommend reading the comic tho

[@superadambomb5834]

I would recommend revisiting the comic. There are so much more complexities and nuance with the characters. Ramona and Scott’s relationship feels way more genuine and real. Especially with how the relationship grows and develops. Ramona is also a way less cold character. She can be fun and bubbly. The side characters are also far more developed. Especially knives. She has an absolutely wonderful arc in the comic. The comic is 100% the best way to view the Scott pilgrim story.

[@drekiskrek5008]

Considering the cost of this production and the talent involved, it's safe to say we're NEVER getting a proper animated adaptation of Scott Pilgrim and that bums me out big time. It's a lot harder to convince someone to read a book over watching a series, and so i was hoping for a version of the story that had the depth of the books instead of the shallowness of the film. I definitely enjoy things about the series but i finished it simply wanting more development that reflected the characters according to the novels, instead of these borderline flanderized versions of the characters. I cant imagine having this opportunity for a proper adaptation of the books and not doing it.

[@timetodraw595]

“So, uh, do you like sonic the hedgehog?”

[@ArynBacklogDragon]

the more I hear about this series, the more I wish they'd just... made an actual faithful adaptation. I don't necessarily have an issue with the idea of an alternate take on the story focusing more on Ramona. BUT it seems like it's so dependant on having knownledge of the original story that the better thing to do would've been making a season 1 adapting the original story, and then telling this story as a season 2.

[@LordLemmysLabs]

The problem is that it being a sequel to the film is actually meant to be THE big twist of the series. The way Bryan wanted to tell this story and subvert expectations wouldn't have worked if it was done any other way.

[@Martin-fb9pb]

So, just to clarify, have you seen it or have you only heard about it? Not that it changes your take much, but I would recommend seeing it, it's still very fun and I personally loved it. Yeah, there were some flaws, but in the end I appreciate this more more for what it is than what it isn't. And if you are a long-time fan, I'm sure you'll love seeing the exes being more developed

[@nicholasaugello2534]

Scott pilgrim takes off is literally the "I can't believe it's not butter!" of anime 🤣

[@spanky812]

I just dont understand why people want the same thing over and over, same stories, same characters following the same arcs. Isnt that what everyone complains about these days? The lack of originality? I feel like this show breathed new life into the franchise, and stands seperate but side by side with the comics, movies, and video game

[@Raiden-si4ru]

Yes and no, while people do want originality in media (and I mean the good kind not like he man revalations) others do also like it when adaptations are faithful to the source material. And yes, while it is possible to change things from the original, you have to make sure it is done well or it will not be that welcomed by the fans like takes off shows.

[@animedude8712]

Well, it's not like we have it yet. The movie came out before the books were done, and there hasn't been much else. If anything, the game is the closest thing we got to a proper telling of the story. Which is really what we want.

[@Raiden-si4ru]

@@animedude8712 that is true. It would've been cool if we got a full story of Scott pilgrim animated. And if that did well then do the what if scenario. Or if you didn't want to do that just be honest with the shows marketing.

[@Revealingstorm.]

I wanted an actual real adaptation of the story for once. Which we still have never gotten.

[@Raiden-si4ru]

@@Revealingstorm. exactly, I wouldn't really say we've has an accurate adaption of the story. And it hasn't really been adapted that much besides the movie and the game. So I don't see whats wrong with making an actually accurate animated series of scott pilgrim

[@timster_]

As someone who did not see any Scott Pilgrim media before the show, I can personslly say I enjoyed it, although this video DID open my eyes to a few ideas that weren’t in the show, so I guess you’re right there Mark!

[@Jonathan_Collins]

I honestly enjoyed watching it despite it being a subplot/sequel, it was quite interesting honestly. I think it's nice to see an animation of beloved series with a plot that isn't a lazy copy and paste. We already have the comics, movie, and game that go over the main plot. I hope people do try to give it a chance despite the differences but at the end of the day it's you either like it or don't like it and that's fine.

[@murderman8578]

Just because they exist doesn't mean the average Joe will engage in those mediums

[@domokuo6318]

People like spinoffs, especially when they add something new. This completely changed what everyone thought about Scott Pilgrim while still keeping it's charm. I think that Johnny 2 cellos had the best take on it that everyone who actually enjoys Scott Pilgrim will love it and those who hate it are just scared of change.

[@reddz7240]

Legions of people are already hating on it for all the wrong reasons. And you know exactly what those reasons are.

[@murderman8578]

@@domokuo6318 who's scared of change I just want the comic adapted first and than have this

[@domokuo6318]

@@murderman8578 all the negative reviews were people whining about how much they hated the change to focus on Ramona because it didn't follow the source material.

[@epic_gamer2000]

I feel the reason they are kinda all over the place is because half way through writing they realised they where most likely gonna one season because of Netflix’s track record and I feel if it ever does get a season two it will focus on Scott’s development

[@TrashQueenAndKing]

So apparently this is good but man I hate that we'll probably never get a 1 for 1 comic adaptation

[@someones_out_there2668]

Late to the party but this was an amazing video I can't wait for the next book Scott Pilgrim vs. The Allegations

[@Official_RetroMania]

Scott Pilgrim cartoon what doesn't have Scott Pilgrim as the main character, what can go wrong? Modern Hollywood in a nutshell.

[@awsomeboy360]

This time it had nothing to do with Hollywood. It was the author's decision. A decision that many people dislike.

[@kai_miauuuuuuuu]

I literally watched it with out knowing anything about Scott pilgrim and I was so confused but now I love it

[@johnc7389]

The thing about Takes Off, other than the marketing scheme that left people feeling like they'd been lied to, is that all of the characters are grossly flanderized, and they don't act like people. SPOILERS ahead for anyone who hasn't seen it: when they're at the funeral, everyone's flagrantly nonplussed about the death of someone they'd all been friends with for years, one of them was even his sister, and she was acting like a distant cousin had died or something; she couldn't care less. Then Envy Adams comes and does a song and dance over his grave and everyone's just okay with that. This is just one example of them acting like caricatures, but whenever I've pointed this out to someone they'll be like, "Yeah, well the books are weird too! so what?" Weird stuff happens in the books, and the movies, and everything else, and all the characters are indeed slightly detached 20-somethings; it's at the root of the franchise, but through out it all they still act like people. They have goals, and feelings, and emotions that felt like the real emotions a confused young adult might have in those situations. The characters in Take Off just straight up don't have emotions 90% of the time for the 4 episode I watched, and when they did emote it was always some over-the-top reaction or assertion that was needed for the plot to progress or for a joke to be delivered to keep the pacing up. It was maddening, and easily one of the most disappointing pieces of media I've seen to date.

[@dmcoub78]

Pretty much. Trying to watch it all now, Can see what the idea was but it's a 5 to 6 out of ten. You get one dimensional development out of the exes, at two dimensional development out of Ramona. If the show started at the funeral, cut out Scott's friends , and knives making them plot devices/ background characters, and focuses more time on Ramona and the exes the idea could of turned out well. But as it stands the show has way to many characters, and plot points to develop in the span of 8 episodes

[@crispycol4904]

As someone who only has seen te movie, I really liked the animation, but really as some sort of continuation of the movie. My bf hasn't seen the movie was a bit lost with some characters, because they assume you know them. I think the best experience is to watch it together. Because I really enjoyed the further exploration of the exes and other side characters who I felt like were a bit one-dimensional in the movie, aside from funny quips. (lines in your trailer?). Of course this causes some other characters to suffer screentime and development like Envy and Stacey. Ramona is someone I purely liked for aesthetics in the movie but fell in love with her in the show. For me it felt like Ramona was the bad guy in this story, oppossing what you're saying. It was clear to be that she just runs away from stuff and doesn't consider people's feelings. She doesn't care about her exes or Knives' "heartbreak". Old Ramona doesn't realize her own flaws because she never confronted herself on it, and then she was. The movie explores Scott's flaws and the show Ramona's. TBH I wanted the Scott's to also merge so both Scott and Ramona have a shared knowledge from both timelines and now would be the most mentally grown versions of themselves. Perhaps we even get a S2, seeing the ending!

[@MDComix]

Personally I think just because they wanted to develop the characters more, doesn't negate the fact that the characters didn't really change

[@ultimablackmage]

I thought it works well as a sequel/what if. The bait & switch definitely pissed a lot of people off, but as a fan who was about 24-25ish at the time the movie came & was reading the graphic novels after seeing the trailer... I liked the series. I view it more as a sequel to the GN with Old Scott being that Scott & Earth 3 Scott(Earth 2 is movie Scott), seeing what he could become if he doesn't learn to listen & act like an adult. Old Scott is Brian's new insert based on his life over the last 20 years as Scott was in the original graphic novel series, so the changes make a lot of sense. Ramona's journey is similar to Scott's in the graphic novels since she realises how much of a jerk she was & making piece with those she hurt... so kind of treading old ground in a way. It also fleshed out the ex's too for those who didn't read the GN series & added to them for those who have, which was a good move & Mathew got the most since he came & went so fast. I wouldn't mind a second season since it kind of hints at one with a potential Giddeon's revenge on Scott, Ramona & the league for what happened in season 1 while Scott & Ramona struggle with both an adult relationship & managing adult life(friends becoming distant, jobs, making time for each other, living together, etc).

[@dontemorgan1517]

They pull the Masters of the Universe. They should have be honest from the start on what the show is really about. Ramona is cool, but why not name the show after her instead of pull a "Bait and Switch".

[@jams8015]

the perception of this show kinda makes me feel like I'm losing my mind. Everyone saying that all the exes have way more development here and are finally their own characters is wild to me. Like the twins for instance are almost as underdeveloped in the show as they are in the movie, and in the movie they literally didn't fucking talk

[@dmcoub78]

They get some development, but not much. The show spends way to much time in Scott's friends, if it's a Ramona and exes show they should of gotten more screen time with the only b plot being Future scott