Were The Hotel Transylvania Movies Any Good?

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[@IcyDiamond]

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[@JudgementKaz]

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[@milktea6676]

Guys does anyone remember the controversy about the invisible guy not being hot 😂

[@JustJohn505]

thats a scam

[@slothoverlord4388]

I very much don't understand why they didn' t go for the more obvious setup with Johnny being afraid of his own mortality in the fourth one. Mavis is immortal and will never age whilst Johnny is human and will shrivel and prune soon. That could have been what motivated him to monsterfy himself, they could've used it to better explore Mavis and Johnny's relationship, anything really would've been better than what they did

[@mjhtv5397]

I agree so much with this. The setup in the actual movie just sets the characters back to the 1st movie.

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

That would've been very dark. But I'm fine with that

[@sexybunnyxox]

I couldn't understand retiring when you live forever. What even is retirement then? Like a 100 year vacation?

[@Coconut_Prrson]

Why aren't YOU a writer in Sony Jesus fucking christ

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

There really was no need for a fourth film at the very least. At least the third was kind of a decent high point and the series on now it's just been driven into the ground and ruined. When Adam Sandler doesn't even come back for quick paycheck you know the series is truly dead.

[@Sammytheflaaffyfan]

Wait, is nobody gonna question the fact that Mavis still switched between her bat and human forms while pregnant? Like, how does that work for the baby?

[@sadham2668]

The baby was sent to a pocket dimension?

[@AllyGatorAnimator]

I remember seeing a comment somewhere where they point out that the bump changes sizes when she transforms (so it's huge when she's a bat and non-existent when she's humanoid), which implies that the baby isn't changing along with her and that's kind of horrifying.

[@sketchyjulia]

@@AllyGatorAnimator yea that scene always weirded me out, especially cause the very next scene she’s human and has a much more prominent baby belly and I always assumed it took place like right after she told Drac she was pregnant and baby grew like 6 months in a few minutes

[@AllyGatorAnimator]

@@sketchyjulia Haha yeah, pretty sure that was a time skip but if that had actually happened that would be two vampire franchises that involve somebody going through a pregnancy weirdly fast (the other being Twilight). Not sure if that's a trend we want to start lol. Come to think of it, Hotel Transylvania also has a werewolf imprint (or "zing") with the vampire baby too, it's just way less creepy because the werewolf is a kid as well and they play it off as a crush, rather than it being a grown-ass man.

[@hollowknightfan2.563]

Why are we talking about this?

[@ComicalRealm]

Fun fact: According to director Genndy Tartakovsky, he got the inspiration for Hotel Transylvania 3 after he returned from a "miserable" family vacation and took major inspiration for the film from the National Lampoon's Vacation movies, as the film would take place aboard a cruise ship.

[@arandomcommenter8395]

Movie still sucks tho

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Honestly I love the fact he tries to implement his life into this but the movie was mostly very mediocre

[@unlimited-edge]

@Logan Roof News ok

[@Creator_indy]

@Logan Roof News what the f*ck are you talking about?

[@BBWahoo]

@Logan Roof News Here is your (You), don't spend it all in one place now

[@CrimsonID4]

I will say the one thing I really liked about the second movie and the series as a whole is that they never did a "Relationship conflict" with Johnny and Mavis (such as another love interest entering the picture). Instead they get married and have a kid in the first 10 minutes, seemingly putting such conflicts to rest. That's rare for an animated film.

[@JustsayX-RJ1kp]

You see, that is a really neat move on there part. But I find it slightly weird that no other movies do this.

[@memecliparchives2254]

And if they did had any conflict, it was brief and it concerned Dennis' human and monster heritage, with Mavis and Johnny taking opposite sides concerning their origins.

[@DivineChaos204]

I feel like the second movie should be about Mavis and Johnny dating, but Johnny realized he's a human and tries to turn into a monster for immortality with Mavis, only for something to backfire Like the 4th movie, only the second and with a meaningful story

[@dumbsville]

I don't care what you say, Mark. No Adam Sandler movie will ever top "I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry."

[@MashupProductions22]

Hey its the alpha and omega guy

[@arandomcommenter8395]

Kanye?!

[@EdricCoconut]

Something, something Open Season

[@elmaionesosexo]

Hey, Lego Obi Wan

[@MashupProductions22]

@Peko Pekoyama eh imo The first movie is bad but its still watchable But the sequels have no reason to exist and should burn

[@doug2406]

I asked my sister “why is having a dead wife a turn on” and she said the following: “It’s not a turn on,it’s simply a girl feeling bad for the man”

[@sketchyjulia]

It’s like in BoJack Horseman where we see Butterscotch telling the women he hooks up with they share features with his dead mom He “saw it in a picture once”

[@thebigmystery7841]

I also say its that women do (as a woman myself) tend to like men who show they have a vulnerable side. Of course a guy who would love and protect you when you need it is great but she went in expecting DRACULA the eater of MEN and saw...just a guy. Who lost his wife and is trying to find happiness again. That would pull on a lot of girls heart strings.

[@darksideofevil13]

Because it shows he's loving to his wife, why wouldn't a woman like that?

[@trypotherapy7478]

yeah that sounds about right

[@amazinggrapes3045]

It means he has firsthand experience in a successful marriage, but also single

[@BugsyFoga]

I love of with films like Hotel Transylvania and Into the Spider-verse, Cgi is definitely going for more of stylistic 2d feel to it , which honestly conveys to me that the art of traditional animation in theaters isn't completely dead .

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

The Animation directon was done by Gennedy Tartakovski who is the same mastermind behind Samurai Jack, PPG and Dexters Lab

[@IcyDiamond]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 I don’t think Gendy did Powerpuff Girls

[@IcyDiamond]

Across The Spider-Verse looks cool, wonder why it’s a two parter though

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@IcyDiamond Genndy Tartakovski has written, directed, and produced episodes of The Powerpuff Girls animated series, and Yeah doesn’t the professor look like Samurai Jack a bit

[@IcyDiamond]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Oh ok I was wrong then

[@TheCrabRepresentative]

The dance party at the end of the movie made a lot of sense in Shrek as it was essentially a wedding after party. And it kinda makes sense in Despicable Me, because Gru wanted to see the dance recital he missed. Those are about the only warranted dance party endings.

[@hunterolaughlin]

How would you have ended Hotel Transylvania and Hotel Transylvania 2 differently?

[@engihere5434]

​@@hunterolaughlinwith the wolf dad getting his knee cap blown off by a .40 caliber handgun

[@ashatheweirdo]

​@@engihere5434ha I laughed

[@KadenJ-ie1ji]

What about the iconic dance party ending in Shrek 2?

[@TheCrabRepresentative]

@@KadenJ-ie1ji I gotta admit that is iconic as hell, just not really justified. But it do go hard

[@mjhtv5397]

To me the stories and characters can be hit or miss but something I will ALWAYS enjoy about this franchise is the animation. Where others try to be more realistic with their animation, I've always appreciated the wacky and zany nature of HT's style.

[@IronFreakV]

IIRC Genndy Tartakovsky has said in interviews that he hates when animation tries to replicate reality because that goes against everything that makes animation so good of a tool for artistic expression in the first place. Honestly I couldn't agree more.

[@GippyHappy]

Honestly it sucks the movies aren't better quality cause the animation is amazing

[@darksideofevil13]

@@IronFreakV I think that depends on the type of story you're trying to tell. This style probably wouldn't work as well for a serious drama.

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

Ok

[@redhunter9669]

Okay so let’s do some math… Mavis in the first movie is 118 and that’s an allegory for being 18. So she would be 18 in human years. 118 divided by 18 is 6.5 (rounded) the average human lifespan is around 75. 75 multiplied by 6.5 is 487 but some people live longer so let’s round up to 500-550. Even assuming that mavis will even age past a certain point she’s gonna outlive Johnny by around 425-475 years…

[@Klonoahedgehog]

This is one of those things i think about more than i should. Especially since ive never seen anything beyond the first movie.

[@jrbviwiz]

Man that reminds me of something admittedly petty that always annoyed me. Why did they make her 118 instead of a straightforward 1-10 ratio of 180. Like, I get that it doesn't really matter but it just bugged me

[@spongeman3090]

Wow. I would have never thought of calculating that

[@jordanm.7616]

Isn't Vlad (Drac's Dad) 2,000 years old canonically tho??

[@jrbviwiz]

@@jordanm.7616 According to the wiki he's 1,247 years old (born in 772) and Drac is 575 (born 1444)

[@sketchyjulia]

The conflict in the fourth film could've been a bit better if it was Johnny who actually went through an arc of becoming more responsible while he and Drac went on their adventure, and if the other characters agreed with Drac that Johnny's not capable of running the hotel instead of literally all of them getting pissed at him for it. I never really liked Johnny (even as a kid I thought he was kinda cringey) and yea I wouldn't give my hotel, aka my life's work, to him either he's a complete dipshit. he never changed since his first appearance despite 6+ years passing and him becoming a father. Also kinda weird they never addressed the whole elephant in the room of "Mavis will outlive Johnny" thing, especially after Drac remarried to a human himself.

[@sketchyjulia]

@Logan Roof News u good bro

[@trixxartarchive7705]

Personally I think it would be better if Drac was concerned that Jonny was too irresponsible to run hotel rarther than him being a human because I thought he had stopped hating Jonny for being a human films ago.

[@nearthecite2031]

@@sketchyjulia just report them for spamming

[@hunterolaughlin]

Plus, it’s ironic that Mavis grew up as a character and became more responsible while Johnny still acts like a little kid in a grown man’s body. Not to mention the fact that he never physically aged and looked the same since the first film. We see some examples of Mavis being a responsible adult in the sequels like actually being a parent and showing concern for Dennis and helping to supervise a wedding in the opening of the third film. And what has Johnny done so far? (Rhetorical question, obviously.) It’d be much better to give the hotel to Mavis than to Johnny. Not just because she’s Drac’s daughter, but she’s a much more mature character than Johnny will ever be.

[@sketchyjulia]

@@trixxartarchive7705 wasn’t that the reason in the film tho? Like Johnny’s anniversary party started a fire and almost caused the guests to get crushed by a chandelier. Plus Drac says to Erika he doesn’t want to give to hotel to him because he ruins everything

[@leahcannoli]

for the third film, why did they have drac have a second zing when there’s so much emphasis on the importance of the fact that it can only happen once in the first film - like it adds to the tragedy of drac being a widow, and also the stakes of johnny getting to be with mavis because they’re basically saying you only have one soulmate just seems like they were rewriting the story for convenience, but tbh that’s probably exactly what they were doing and it spawned a maybe 6/10 movie so oh well

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

The idea that you can only love once isn’t exactly a good message.

[@KaiKrimson56]

To be fair, you can tell a good story about a semi-immortal widow trying to find love again. It just doesn't work in Hotel Transylvania since no one considers turning Ericka into a vampire or Johnathan for that matter.

[@KDawg92801]

I feel like to be able to zing again, the person’s zing has to pass away, and the widow/er has to be able to move past the loss fully.

[@shinysilverstardust]

I like how they just gloss over the fact that Jonny is going to die hundreds of years before Mavis

[@ashy_inking1476]

that really sucks

[@randomRobloxguy7723]

Because humans live way shorter than vampires because mavis is in the hundreds and Johnny is only 20

[@blackhat1018]

"This series has a huge online fan base." You mean MAVIS has a huge online fan base?

[@Ben7892]

And the invisible man

[@huntsman9316]

@@Ben7892 not anymore lol

[@Ben7892]

@@huntsman9316 true lmfao

[@pikathemimikyu6655]

I don't care about these movies nor did I give too much thought to the Invisible Man, and even I was absolutely mortified with what they did to him 🤣 I feel like it was just universally accepted by everyone that he was hot. I don't know what they were thinking.

[@theelementalgriffin2092]

I’m sure Mavis was an awakening for people with a goth girl kink for a lot of 2000s-2010s kids. On the side note, I find it lowkey hilarious on the Tumblr Sexyman wiki they called Hotel Transylvania “Ice Age for goth children”.

[@LovelyLivelyV]

The Hotel Transylvania movies are special movies for my dad and I. Every time a new one came out, we watched them together. The first is definitely the best, with the third close behind. The second was strong until Mavis came back to the hotel (they focused so much on Drac realizing his errors…which were then confused for a different error…that they didn’t focus on how Mavis was no different and even when she’s called out there’s no time for her to realize her faults before Dennis and Winnie run away). And then the fourth…oh dear, it was broken from the start. It’s got so many unfortunate implications since they never cover that Johnny will die before he’s 100 (same with Ericka) while Mavis (and Dracula) will live for millions of years, so Mavis saying Johnny is perfect the way he is means she’s perfectly fine having countless zings in the future. If she really loves Johnny, wouldn’t she want to spend eternity with him? Wouldn’t Johnny want to turn into a monster out of worrying that Mavis will outlive him instead of looking more desirable to Dracula? With Hotel Transylvania 4 giving a reason why they can never be monsters…yeah, it doesn’t exactly feel like a happy ending.

[@untitled3426]

That could've been an interesting conflict if we saw how Johnny deals with being a mortal/human and wanting to be a monster/immortal to be in Mavis's life. With Dracula being the opposite of that conflict, how does he deal with Ericka being a human/mortal? How would he deal with Ericka's eventual death? Would've been cool but it's too late now.

[@plantboy6743]

@@untitled3426 thats a way better plot than HEY DRAC AM MONSTER NOW!!!

[@Mariofanaticanimations]

@@plantboy6743 Transformania’s ending felt like sequel baiting where mavis and Johnny rebuilt the hotel one year later similar to like the amazing Spider-Man 2 with the planned Sinister Six movie

[@curley-clown]

I have to at least give kudos to Brian Hull, the guy who voiced Dracula in the fourth movie, for getting a voice acting role in a mainstream film, since he's mostly known for his voice impressions on KZbin. He's real damn good at voice impressions, too, though I agree that in HT4 it felt more like he was trying to do an impression of Adam Sandler more than an impression of Dracula. Nonetheless, good for him, and I hope to see him improve and get more big voice acting roles in the future.

[@Tabth3778]

Yeah I've watched his channel for a while, even if his Dracula impression isn't his best, he's very talented

[@doodledangernoodle2517]

Honestly. They could’ve easily kept the transformation angle. But rather than retreading the plotpoints of Johnny being accepted. It could have dealt with Johnny and/or Mavis making a decision on how to live the rest of their lives. Considering how Johnny would inevitably die while Mavis would likely only look to be in her 30s and his son would continue to live on well past his death. There could’ve been a conflict on whether or not Johnny decides to become a vampire via Mavis so the three can live for hundreds of more years together, or Mavis and Dennis shedding their vampire side to become solely human. I’m honestly surprised that was a concept that was never touched upon. Dealing with the theme of morality and death. It would've been a really poignant message. I had a huge idea for how I would've done it. I feel something with more depth would have been excellent for Genndy to do Johnny was completely fine in the first movie. Being the chill guy that served as an excellent foil to Dracula's high strung, commanding, overprotective personality. He managed to make Drac, and the other monsters see that the world didn't see monsters the same way as they once did, letting him and the others open up and not feel prejudiced. He and Mavis had a rather cute and believable relationship in the first movie. Johnny was so different to other monsters Mavis was around, so it made sense why she'd be drawn to him. Where Johnny really started to falter was HT2, where he never really felt like he had grown at all and matured to become a capable father. In the first, he was 21 and single, not really thinking about relationships. But when 2 starts with them immediately married and yet Johnny shows almost no signs of maturity or character growth between the two movies, it feels... like there was a lot more potential with Johnny. But he was just a consistent manchild throughout the quadrilogy. If I would have written the series out, I would have left the first movie relatively unchanged, maybe making Drac not warm up as fast to Johnny. The real changes begin with the second movie it deals with Johnny learning how to take initiative and mature as a character, possibly helping the hotel as an employee, further reinforcing the connection Johnny has with not only Drac, but the rest of the patrons of the hotel. All the while he and Mavis are still just boyfriend and girlfriend. This would likely be the movie I would have brought Van Helsing back, learning of the location of the hotel via the more publicity they had gotten by the monsters feeling more comfortable venturing outside the hotel more. Leading to an all-out human vs monster war at the hotel. A war between humans who still hate monsters, fearing they will overthrow the humans due to their natural advantages many of them have now that the monsters don't feel the same stigma. By the third movie, when Johnny and Mavis should have been married and Dennis should have been born. This is where Vlad comes in, wanting to see his new grandson. But he thinks Johnny (who he knows is human early on but isn't as concerned since he proved himself to be an ally of monsters in the previous movie) is an unfit parent, outright mocking him in front of everyone, and threatens to take Dennis away for his own protection, teaching him to become a vampire on his own. Now that Johnny has to prove himself, Johnny turns to Drac, Wayne (The wolfman) or his own father for advice on how to be a good father. Let alone being a human raising a half-vampire, it'd certainly come with its share of issues. (It could possibly lead to a lot of funny scenes of Johnny struggling to keep up with Dennis' fledgling and sporadic vampire abilities) The 4th is Johnny, now getting older, in his early 30s, realizing how Mavis now physically looks to be in her early 20s, realizes the weight of his current situation, being a human wedded to a vampire and raising a half-vampiric son. The idea of his wife and their son outliving him makes him depressed. He asks Mavis or Drac to convert him into a vampire, but he learns vampires can't transform people into vampires in this universe, another stereotype brought about by Hollywood. Vampires are simply a monster species. So, he asks Van Helsing if there's anything he can do to help. This could possibly be a way of adding the transformation ray back in. But the ray breaks making Mavis a human and Johnny a vampire. Giving the two their own new experiences living as the other species, with all the positives and negatives. Perhaps Mavis wishes to stay human, allowing her, and Johnny and Dennis to live without the risk of sunlight harming her, and it perhaps gives her more motivation to see the entire world with Johnny before they all pass. Johnny enjoys his powers thinking the idea of immortality is cool, he learns that while he will now be immortal, he also realizes that he will outlive his entire human family, something he feels is unfair. So, the two of them set off to recover the replacement crystal. Dracula has been fine with most other things Mavis has decided for herself, but the idea of her becoming human is a line he refuses to let her cross. He does not want her to die at such a young age, leaving him all alone. But throughout the story, Drac has to learn to finally let go and let her make up her mind. By the end, she chooses to remain human, so she can raise Dennis in a less chaotic environment and Johnny turns back to a human. Leading to a much less saccharine but still happy ending.

[@pocketmarcy6990]

That’s pretty good

[@plantboy6743]

honestly i wish the movies were like that

[@isaiahrivers7117]

Interesting rewrite. I would've also like to see how Mavis feels about it. Like let's just say that Mavis would sometimes have strange dreams of Johnny getting old and he would say goodbye to her or someone would tell her that she and her son will outlive Johnny and he will grow old and die. This would cause Mavis to freak out as she doesn't want to lose Johnny and probably there would be a moment where Johnny and Mavis talk about it and wonder if she can do something about it.

[@nex8939]

if only they got you to be the writer for the movies

[@doodledangernoodle2517]

Is it a perfect rewrite? Not necessarily, but I do think it allows for a more enjoyable movie for people of any age, rather than the kiddy shlock the series became. I fail to mention Drac’s friends, but I’m sure they could factor in somehow. I think they could have potential in the story. I just haven’t thought about the nitty gritty of the plot. I’m sure they could be worked in somehow. Really tired of the dumb dad trope in media honesty. It’s something that needs to die. In the first movie, Mavis being attracted to Johnny is understandable and they had chemistry. But it gets harder and harder to understand what Mavis even sees in him when he seems to do the bare minimum and still acts like a child. It would have been great to see him start off as a bit of a goofball, but becoming a boyfriend, employee, and eventual husband could have saw him grow and mature.

[@hyperfictionatedindividual3542]

If I could rewrite the second movie, I would make it so that we see how both humans and monsters feel about the existence of Mavis and Johnny’s son. I would have it so that his powers were ALREADY there, so that it’s easier to see the mixed opinions of both sides. Some would be horrified of Dennis’ mixed heritage, others would be totally cool with it. Instead of Dracula being worried whether his grandson is “truly a monster” or whatever, he should be concerned about the SAFETY of Dennis, because of the remaining prejudiced humans, and monsters who think Dracula turned traitor for having his daughter wed and have offspring with a human, might want his grandson dead. We should have had a plot where he’s fighting for his grandson to exist in a mixed world, but without resorting to his old ways and without feeling resentful towards them. Instead of Mavis and Johnny moving to California so that Dennis could be with other humans, I would have it so that they’re trying to find a place that’s safe for the WHOLE FAMILY, where they wouldn’t have to worry about the judgement of the world. Phew, that was a lot. Thanks for reading of you made it this far, aha.

[@darth_autismo]

Thats actually a pretty good concept

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

Wasn’t there a scene where we see a monster-human couple and they mentioned having kids that get bullied?

[@MeloRat69]

that would have been better honestly

[@BlythePennyBicycle21]

I'm not familiar with Brian Hull, but I thought he sounded good enough for Dracula. Speaking of replacement voice actors, there's also Frankenstein, who was now voiced by Brad Abrell (he's also the voice of Bubble Buddy on SpongeBob).

[@alexmapp5444]

Brian Hull is a KZbinr who does impressions of cartoon characters.

[@notdemomantf2294]

@Logan Roof News what...?

[@n19ntendods]

@@alexmapp5444 Yeah! And he’s awesome! 😁😁😁

[@CasualLog]

@Logan Roof News bro what are you talking about

[@FormalFilmsProductions]

I actually really liked his impression

[@SuperHandsomeGuy07]

I feel they kinda screwed up with the 4th movie. Why not make Johnny a vampire? Then Drac and Johnny would know what its like to walk a mile in each others shoes.

[@icecreamhero2375]

Because a vampire is basically a human that can fly and that would be boring. Also, you would have 2 vampires.

[@SuperHandsomeGuy07]

@@icecreamhero2375 I guess but then the issue is Johnny is gonna die like a thousand years before his kid and I think they could've kept Johnny a monster fixing that problem

[@sawyer5072]

Pretty sure Mavis is like over 100 years old. So she probably physically ages very slowly, Johnny has no excuses tho

[@Galvatronover]

But shouldn’t she be mentally past teenage mindset

[@lucifersdevilishdetails.]

She 118 in the first film then there a 5-6 years jump so 123-124. Jonny is 21 so he 26-27 in the other film to be honest your twenties you barely age so Jonny can get way with that.

[@yuuhyakuya3863]

@@Galvatronover not entirely. She was still sheltered most of her life. And it is possible her maturity matches her age due to time being not a big issue to her.

[@AmongusBalls65]

Mavis cancelled (real)

[@k-trashradio5163]

The first hotel Transylvania was always playing at my family Halloween parties, usually to get the little kids to calm down after too much candy and soda. Frankly that's when these movies are best enjoyed, around Halloween with a bunch of October cartoon staples.

[@hnaw1360]

"Apparently these movies have a huge online fanbase" Me: **Looks at Mavis** Yeah... Wonder why.

[@blazikenchad8876]

*Sees cute tick goth girl* No wonder why is so succesfull

[@sketchyjulia]

_goth time all the time awwwwwwwwwww yeah_

[@BBWahoo]

Futa Mavis Johnny femdom pegging r34

[@pass_]

the mavis fanbase are men of culture

[@agoofyahhchannel6870]

@@blazikenchad8876 ah yes i love *tick goth girls*

[@shadowdemon2272]

I really like the first 3 movies. But, I wish, in the 3rd movie, when Mavis is struggling to accept Drac moving on with someone new, they would have done: Johnny explains to Mavis that he (Johnny) accepts that Mavis and Dennis are immortal(ish?) and will outlive him. And although he loves Mavis and knows that Mavis loves him, after he's gone, when she's ready, he accepts that she would move on, and would almost be sad if all the things he loves about Mavis were never shared with anyone else, because they, and Mavis, are beautiful. Yes, it's cheesy as hell, but better than the 4th movie, would have at least tried to say something, and it would have shown a lot of growth on Johnny's part and been in keeping with his original character imo.

[@Mantis42]

As a 90s kid, Genndy Tartakovsky was basically my Butch Hartman. The Hotel Transylvania movies are not his best work (he didn't write them for one) but it's still nice to see you cover him

[@marijamarcelic3149]

Someone else created your childhood?!?!?

[@Mantis42]

@@marijamarcelic3149 no, just the cartoons i watched during

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

He actually wrote the third film.

[@Topdoggie7]

Genndy is well known for being fucked over in every show he works on. This was no different and what he did get in was amazing. To imagine him able to write it his way is such a neat thought.

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

@Topdoggie72 I dunno. I don’t recall him being screwed over by his involvement in the 2D “Clone Wars” series. Sure, he wasn’t involved in the later 3D series, but that show was a different series altogether.

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

Ok, the one thing I will point out is that OF COURSE Mavis still looks like a teenager in Hotel Transylvania 2. You yourself stayed that she's already 118 years old in the first movie, so why would she age more in the 6 years span between the first and second movie than she has in the near century since she's stopped being a teenager? And it's especially weird since you pointed out her age in the portion covering the first movie, yet you forgot it here and directed criticism towards her lack of aging during the portion of the video covering the second movie.

[@sketchyjulia]

RebelTaxi also pointed out how it feels like no time has really passed too, although he does mention not giving Johnny a new outfit or anything was likely due to the animation style making it kinda hard to rig clothes

[@BraxtonKovary]

I actually like the first 2 movies. They follow each other pretty well, and the humour in both are great. The last 2 movies are very redundant and unfunny.

[@TOASTYDREAMSTER]

I agree with you

[@fnafworld3878]

Agree

[@torrieholden6002]

I agree

[@maeellis7523]

YES

[@lemonballs1113]

Yea

[@citadel5608]

I remember watching the second movie for the first time and thinking "wow, this could have been a 30 minute episode"

[@theminecraft2516]

LSMark actually stood for “Leroy & Stitch Mark” because he was the biggest Leroy and Stitch fan

[@spongemaster]

@@dogenboole For me it was Stitch The Movie, I had it on DVD and loved it. Apparently the Lilo and Stitch spin-offs aren't as good as I remember but I'm very nostalgic for them so I don't care. It always kind of reminded me of a Disney version of Pokemon, especially since the show revolved around them capturing all the experiments.

[@kieranstark7213]

*ANIMAT’S REVIEWS - LILO & STITCH (FRANCHISE) PREDICTIONS* *Lilo & Stitch (2002) - AniMat’s Classic Reviews* *Alternate title* Disney’s ET | A Lilo & Stitch Review *Release* 2027 (for the movie’s 25th anniversary* *Description* Ohana means family *Score* Story: 8/10 Animation: 10/10 Characters: 7/10 *8/10 (as AniMat said in his Lilo & Stitch 2 review, it’s not one of his favourite Disney movies, but it is one of those he’s interested in the most)* *Stitch! The Movie - AniMat’s Classic Reviews* *Alternate Title* Stitch’s Hour-Long Escapade | Stitch! The Movie Review *Release* 2026 *Description* For a movie that is only an hour long, it started the mid-2000s TV series not with a bang, but at least averagely *Score* Story: 6/10 Animation: 4/10 Characters: 8/10 *6/10* *Lilo & Stitch: The Series - AniMat’s Reviews* *Alternate Title* The Only Best Lilo & Stitch Series | Lilo & Stitch: The Series Review *Release* 2031 *Description* Stitch may be cute and fluffy, but the show can have its moments that are not *Score* 8/10 *Lilo & Stitch 2: Stitch Has a Glitch - AniMat’s Classic Reviews* *Release* May 2017 *Description* Stitch is glitching out and so is this movie *Score* Story: 3/10 Animation: 7/10 Characters: 5/10 *5/10 (same results as The Wild, another mid-2000s Disney movie that like the Walt Disney Animation Studios movies before Brother Bear and Meet the Robinsons, could’ve been much better)* *Leroy & Stitch - AniMat’s Classic Reviews* *Alternate Title* Lilo & Stitch At Its Peak | Leroy & Stitch Review *Release* August 2023 *Description* An underrated TV series started with a good movie but ended with a great one *Score* Story: 9/10 Animation: 8/10 Characters: 9/10 *9/10 (who else thought AniMat would give it a lower score? Not up to the point of actually disliking it, but just considering it decent)* *Stitch! | AniMat’s Reviews *Alternate Title* Stitch!: The Anime | Stitch! - AniMat’s Reviews *Release* 2034 *Description* It’a official, Stitch has finally ruined ohana… *Score* 4.5/10 *Stitch & Ai | AniMat’s Reviews* *Alternate Title* Ai Don’t Care | Stitch & Ai Review *Description* Apparently, Disney separating Stitch from Lilo from America to appeal to other markets was so nice, they had to do it twice *Score* 4/10 *Lilo & Stitch (2020s remake) - AniMat’s Reviews* *Alternate Title* TBA *Release* TBA (sometime later this decade) *Description* Will Lilo & feel like ohana once again? *Score* TBA

[@AmongusBalls65]

I like the original the most 😳

[@princesspikachu3915]

@@spongemaster I thought that’s why Spectrobes was made on the DS…

[@DanielsProductions11channel]

I actually really like the opening of the second movie for having the characters just continue to live their life across many events, that's why 2 is the best in my opinion. It is just the characters in the first not needing to be high stakes like the other sequels do.

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

Didn’t it have a last minute villain though?

[@DanielsProductions11channel]

@@jeffreyquinde6707 Yes but it isn't a major part of the story and most of the movie can have the biggest stakes be conflict. While far from great, Vlad and the bat leader serve as parrells to Dracula involving their discrimation against humans. Hotel Translyvania 2 has a fight scene but the real climax was Dracula telling Vlad off and saying he loves Dennis no matter what he is.

[@nevermindmyparentsimthepunk]

I absolutely love the 2nd movie. it's my favorite of all the movies. I do wish she would traveled with Johnny and Dennis though because she wanted it so much in the 1st movie

[@DietermiGamzD125]

I actually watched the first while having lunch today, and it surprised me how good it was. I guess the sequels made me forget the actual movie.

[@rjthegiant1]

@Logan Roof News work on your videos.

[@DietermiGamzD125]

@yes we will what

[@radicool8328]

@yes we will what

[@JonahMcD]

I love the deeper meaning of the first 3 movies. In the 1st one, Dracula learns to overcome his fear of what the world will think of his daughter, formed by past trauma. In the 2nd one he learns to accept that his grandson is different from his expectations of him (even though he ends up being a vampire later anyway lol), and in the 3rd one he learns that it’s okay to love again even after his wife died, which is a super deep message for a kids movie if you think about it.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Honestly I feel like Gennedy Tartakovski wasn’t given that much freedom in the later movies the first movie was nice, the second was ok but after the third I basically gave up

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

He had the most freedom with the third film. The first and second films were tugs of war between him and Adam Sandler.

[@hal-fling]

24:18 as an amphibia/TOH fan i actually agree with you, The Owl house does have a very stiff-looking animation, and the thick lines make it even more obvious, it looks almost flash animated. Amphibia does have a much better animation than TOH imo.

[@kadan2889]

I find it funny how the 2nd movie was mildly forgettable, and I only remember the quote of "Whats that thing on your head? Looks like my grandmother's boobies"- because I have the humor of a 5 year old. It's weird how the movies have aged greatly and horribly at the same time- like you can enjoy them if you're bored, but the more you think of it the worse it seems

[@darth_autismo]

Couldn't say it better myself

[@eatatjoes6751]

Yeah, I'm surprised.

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

It seems like the same can be said for the majority of humerous Universal Monster reunion films, come to think of it. Stuff like “Mad Monster Party”, “The Halloween that Almost Wasn’t” and such tended to have contemporary elements that simultaneously made them both endearing and cringey to audiences. So I guess that makes “Hotel Transylvania” pretty faithful to its predecessors.

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

@@geoffreyrichards6079 I don't really think the series will age that great. It's already aged not great in certain ways and a lot of the references are already incredibly cringey. I can't imagine someone will watch this in 20 years and think half the stuff holds up if even that much.

[@GrEeN0666]

I only liked the first and the second one tbh

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

"Most unnecesary sequel" Guys who's gonna tell him about Ralph Breaks the Internet?

[@lmpst7915]

The first was ok, the second I genuinely dont remember existing or if I've ever watched, 3 was a straight to home video and 4 was a fan made AU level of quality

[@tobyswiss7909]

I'm sorry, but if you get the chance to make Mel Brooks say "boobeez," YOU TAKE THAT CHANCE.

[@mrcrisps2005]

i like Cloudy with a chance of MeatBalls and some of their other movies look like a cgi version of an actual 2d animation it makes it look very nice and unique

[@alexandergazmen3126]

yeah but i find in Hotel Transylvania it's TOO exaggerated. it needs to be reeled back a lot. i can't be the only one who has this opinion

[@jdawson7877]

i can easily picture mitchells vs the machines being 2d animated.

[@Jumpy-Dragon]

The thing that always bugged me the most about the second film is that their son wouldn't be a human or a vampire, he'd be a dampire (pronounced dam-peer) and would only have a few vampiric traits

[@kevinmitchell386]

Don’t care what anyone says, the first one was great. The second was okay, the third was forgettable and the fourth was unnecessary. But that first was truly great

[@daddydwaved]

Nah.

[@Mrcopyguy]

In my opinion the 2nd one was the best

[@maureenobrien4968]

I believe what we’re seeing with Hotel Transylvania 4 is the dying gasps of a bygone era of animated films. We’ll be seeing less celebrity-packed comedies, and more standalone films driven by creativity and technique. The horrible new Ice Age movie is also an indicator of that.

[@suarez9108]

The flying table scene in the first movie always puts the biggest dumbest grin on my face

[@Zappa_boi]

Timestamps 3:55 Hotel Transylvania 11:19 Hotel Transylvania 2 18:03 Hotel Transylvania 3 Sumer Vaction 23:41 Hotel Transylvania The Series 25:10 Hotel Transylvania 4 Transformania

[@isaiahrivers7117]

If there's anything i want in one of these HT films it's to give Johnny an arc or so which would allow him to grow and mature. Like in the second film instead of Johnny and Mavis getting married and having a kid right off the back the second film should focus on Johnny and Mavis traveling the world together and for the arc you could remove Dennis and replace him with Johnny and everything could stay the same with Vlad surprised seeing Johnny as a human and all but Mavis and Drac and the others would defend him and i guess you know the rest and this would probable give Johnny character development.

[@hunterolaughlin]

Just as long as Mavis and Johnny do marry and have Dennis in the third film, right?

[@Mohammad-km9kw]

I love the fact there is not one, BUT TWO, pieces of animation about a vampire and a human man named Jonathan

[@captaincommando5072]

I don't like where this is going

[@SparkleCakezz]

Elaborate

[@dodo-uz4ct]

Ha. JOOOOJOOOO

[@misterzygarde6431]

I wonder how a Hotel Transylvania series handled by Gendy would be like rather than the one done in Canada.

[@Topdoggie7]

All you need to imagine is him getting screwed over like he does in all his works and it would probably be another gem the company and coworkers ruined.

[@spongemaster]

If it was anything like the animated series he's worked on previously then most likely a masterpiece of animation. I think that's the biggest disappointment with these films for me, that with Gendy attached to them they should be so much better than they actually are.

[@Topdoggie7]

@@spongemaster Each series he's worked on has been tampered with or he's been screwed over. So he likely tried with this and got shafted once more and that's why he left it too.

[@capitatecab6049]

@@spongemaster There’s also the fact that he’s not working with his usual crew, Scott Wilis, Bryan Andrews and Paul Raudish to name a few

[@superstarultra28]

The second one was the best one for me. It expanded on the ideas of the first film, it had a lot of cute and memorable moments (Drac and Dennis dancing comes to mind), many of the jokes made me laugh, there were no moments of cringe, and the final battle was very well animated. Sure, it's not an animated masterpiece or anything, but it wasn't trying to be. It was just trying to be a fun sequel to a flawed yet memorable movie and I think it succeeded. Plus, "I'm in Love with a Monster" by Fifth Harmony still slaps HARD.

[@pickleodessey8452]

I’m glad Mark agrees with me that Johnny became an annoying idiot in the 4th movie

[@daddydwaved]

Why would I care about your comment?

[@pickleodessey8452]

@@daddydwaved Only u can really answer that

[@Charcoaledmarmalade]

@@pickleodessey8452 i agreed

[@ashy_inking1476]

he used to be way better-

[@mr.pancakes1072]

5:58 "wish she was more fleshed out" Me:*Gulp*

[@TheDigitalApple]

Mel Brooks as Vlad is the best part of Hotel Transylvania 2 and 3

[@StarryNightxx]

I wish they waited before having Mavis and Johnny immediately have a baby. I think I wouldve enjoyed a goofy wedding movie a lot more, especially since Adam Sandler was directing it and he's written thousands of "big fat Greek wedding" style scenes. I would've liked if they explored their relationship more rather than just right in the sequel she is pregnant like damn. 💀 We haven't even questioned Johnny's mortality yet or how he gets along with the other in-laws! Edit: I am now realizing I actually just wanted shrek 2 😭

[@IcyDiamond]

I recently saw the first one on Nickelodeon and thought it was pretty good, nothing amazing but a fun animated film, in my opinion they ran out of ideas ever since the third one

[@mileven3ggo3njoyer]

The third one imo has the best animation. The second and first one's have better stories and the fourth one is just bad.

[@ijustlikebees]

@Peko Pekoyama the fourth one just feels like a first draft,in terms of writing and animation

[@mileven3ggo3njoyer]

@Peko Pekoyama It looks direct to video tbh

[@IcyDiamond]

@@mileven3ggo3njoyer I mean it is direct to Amazon so I guess it’s at least being accurate lol

[@ijustlikebees]

@@IcyDiamond why did they put this on Amazon of all places,ain't nobody watching it

[@maddenboseroy4074]

The voice of Drac in the fourth film is Brian Hull, an acclaimed impressionist on KZbin.

[@arandomcommenter8395]

At least we can all agree Dracula doesn't say blah blah blah

[@animationrainritewolf8388]

The first 3 movies were really good (especially the first movie), but I really did not like the 4th movie. It should've ended with the 3rd movie.

[@PeteCalebandPuppets]

I thought Brian Hull did okay as Dracula. He's not as good as Sandler, but I didn't think it was shitty. 😕

[@conormurnane6457]

Interesting fact: Peter Baynham, co-writer of the first movie, also wrote the Borat films, as well as Sony/Aardman's Arthur Christmas and tons of great British comedy shows. I actually do like the Hotel T. sequels, but it's safe to say the first one benefitted greatly from Baynham's influence.

[@FoxyPercival714]

1 & 2 were good in my opinion. 3 was a hit and miss. 4 was like. WTF?! I also believe this was also a reference to Castlevania.

[@Devilxyz21]

Co mon 4Ones good

[@Natalie_Toshino]

I wonder if they saw just how much the internet was lusting after Mavis, so they made the third one a Summer vacation movie just for an excuse to put her in a bathing suit.

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

Genndy was inspired by a vacation he took with his family. It’s why he chose to return after initially declining to direct 3.

[@orangechannel8591]

I actually got to meet one of the actors of the Hotel Transylvania movies (Asher Blinkoff) at an amusement park. I don’t remember why we started talking, but I do remember that we went on a ride together.

[@lonelydukk5335]

That sponsor didn’t age well lmao

[@LatkeOG]

Not at all

[@itsamyles5227]

Not going to lie I thought 2 was two separate movies the first being drac wanting his grand kid being a vampire and the third movie having Drac’s dad I didn’t remember it was one movie 💀💀

[@clayburton7472]

Is it just me, or is the “Gremlin Airways” thing in the third movie supposed to be reference to the Twilight Zone episode “Nightmare at 20,000 Feet”. Cause if so, that has to be one of the most clever jokes I ever heard😂.

[@barelyhere7200]

I like the first and the second one. The third one was OK but the Krakens ‘s song is fire. Haven’t seen the fourth one

[@Devilxyz21]

KARAKENS SONG BUT THE MACRINA ONE FIRE ALSO WHEN KARAKEN TOOK HIS TONGUE OUT AND JOHNNY DANCING GOT ME LAUGHING

[@mrpizzacat8273]

The invisible man not being incredibly hot was a missed opportunity. Watched the first one, and the second one and then never touched the franchise ever again.

[@icecreamhero2375]

I like him being ugly. Nobody can see him so he let himself go. It makes more sense.

[@MaryLoveJane]

They did that on purpose as a joke on the audience because the character had been voted hottest or sexiest man of the year before the reveal

[@papaG6423]

I find it hilarious that Dracula actually kinda looks like Adam Sandler

[@GilCAnjos]

I thought the first one was fine, but they lost me on the second one. I thought it had a nice character development, with Dracula coming to terms with the fact that his grandson is not a vampire, and that he should love him for what he is, and not for what Drac wished he was... and then they immediately ruined it when it turned out that Dennis actually was a vampire

[@angryboi595]

Hotel Transylvania 2 really wanted fan service for pregnant Mavis. The amount of shot they showed of pregnant Mavis. You know they wanted fan fictions, deviantart and vore drawings of it. And they succeeded

[@deazy6453]

2012 was the dubstep era. That shit was LONG gone in 2017 lol

[@samrafkin3699]

I almost wonder if this franchise would've been better as a TV show, so that the more basic plot structures don't get stretched out as much and there's more time to spend with the individual characters. EDIT: Holy crap I should've watched the whole video first

[@moondoria8401]

When I was a kid, I always wanted the Hotel Transylvania sequel to be about Mavis and Johnny traveling across the world like the first movie hinted at. Maybe Erika hunts them along the way and when Dracula finds out, he rushes out to try to save them only for her to catch him instead, and now Mavis and Johnny have to save him. The part with Erika was recently thought of, but the part where Mavis and Johnny travel the world was something I wanted to see as a kid.

[@TastyToez]

The plot is just Dracula being Racist 💀 That's *EVERY* Movie.

[@dcbandit]

I love the animation style of these films, brings me back to watching cartoons on Saturday mornings. I really enjoyed the first and third movies, the second was forgettable, and the 4th is okay, some great parts. I was disappointed with the show, it didn't follow the animation style of the movies, but it's okay. I just think it would have meshed better if the 2d animation was more like the cartoons the movies drew off of. Also, I love some of the background characters, wish I could see them more.

[@blazerdog]

in my opinion, the first one is pretty good, nothing breathtaking, but something the whole family could enjoy. then i completely gave up on it.

[@Squiddlewheel]

I’ll never not be impressed by the storyboarding in these movies. There’s so much personality in how the characters behave and interact with each other.

[@Toontastic_Juju]

I consider the first Hotel Transylvania film to be my favorite and best in the franchise, the sequels following it were alright. I didn’t see the fourth one because it’s not a good way to end the franchise, but I didn’t really miss out much. You made a great video Mark, I like how you point out some pros and cons of the franchise and such. Keep up the great work!

[@G1000-r5c]

I agree with you

[@annegerbek1732]

finally! Someone who thinks the 3rd is better than the 2nd in every way. This series is cringe but tbh it’s a guilty pleasure of mine, but it has always baffled me that ppl think the 2nd is better than the 3rd, even the 1st! So glad I’m not alone in this

[@harmonetheanimationaddict4419]

Okay, but the first two films’ end credits songs are utter BANGERS.

[@Galvatronover]

The rap was cringe

[@FormalFilmsProductions]

Facts

[@Icantpickaname12]

My favorite part is when the 4th movie made people really angry on twitter because they didn't make the invisible man hot ruining their "headcanons" lol

[@0MidnighttheDragon0]

about Drac's replacement voice in HT4: it's actually a youtuber, Brian Hull, getting his first BIG voice acting break. so I still want to give thje movie at least partial applause for taking that chance. honestly I feel like part of hte issue though is wel as you said, he's trying ot do an adam sandler impression. he's not doing his OWN take, he's trying to do his best to literally be the EXACT same that adam sandler was, and I think thats where the struggle comes from. Brian has a HUGE vocal range, I just feel like due to directing or something he may not have been able to flex it

[@ThomasAndRandomRobloxGames]

i love how mavis is canonically 118 years old, and marries a human who looks to be about 100 years younger (edited for innacuracy)

[@ThomasAndRandomRobloxGames]

@Huckjusta i mixed up the fake age of jonathon that he tells her and mavis' actual age, my bad

[@TheOGLime]

10:36 Adam Sandler rapping while playing a vampire is the greatest highlight in not just animated movie history, but movie history in general.

[@WickerSticksSinema]

I think the first one is very wholesome and cute with a nice message. It’s not the best movie in the world or anything but it’s a fun movie to watch especially for kids around Halloween.

[@alternax9751]

First here but I agree

[@marsgill3235]

Adam Sandler went really silent since Hotel Transylvania 4 dropped

[@Lexilove2016]

Are we gonna talk about the fact that Mavis is like 80 years older than Johnathan?

[@Vitallor]

No because she is hot

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

I do love how the designs improve as the movies go on. They start off basic and then get more and more in line with what you see in a Saturday morning cartoon.

[@sheerdumbluck]

Johnny's character design is so oddly close to LS Mark's character

[@MrMouseYT]

Van Helsing's Grand daughter looks like Ellen DeGenerous

[@cradiculous]

I actually keep in touch with someone who also worked on the second season of the animated series. Said something about having to draw an awful lot of skeleton hands. I still haven't seen the series, though.

[@Coldcola]

3:34 it’s funny looking back at this sponsor

[@ApplePiePls]

Established titles is a scam

[@23craftycats]

Why?

[@Tyson-m8f]

​@@23craftycats Just search up Established Titles is a scam and youl understand.

[@Pacmanfan-po9rn]

I wish they introduced Alucard sooner to the story

[@lll.24601]

What is a man… a miserable little pile of secrets

[@captaincommando5072]

"IT WAS NAZIS" - Alucard's Twitter Account

[@Klonoahedgehog]

Credit to Hotel transylvania, that movies dance party ending makes sense, since it's supposed to be a birthday party. Not many movies have a dance party ending that makes sense lol

[@BugsyFoga]

Yes, And I’m sick pretending that they’re not .

[@everest2268]

People find the third movie the best movie in this franchise???? I absolutely despised it aside from a few scenes and it only got worse with transformania - I feel like the first two films were the only ones that had a decent continuation - mostly because they both kept Drac and his friends as well as mavis and Johnny in the spotlight and mavis and Johnny having a kid felt like natural progression. After the second movie they totally retcon the whole “monsters can only zing once” thing and it just feels like Dracula’s trauma over his dead wife disappeared in the blink of an eye all because he saw some stupid looking white haired lady swing on a rope - let’s not forget he has hated humans for over a hundred years because they killed his wife. It just feels like it’s completely swept aside, and all other characters lose any personality or significance as we’re now supposed to care about this random woman who has no likeable qualities. The fourth film just retcons more character development to do the same “drac hates johnny” story AGAIN in an even more boring and generic way

[@woerm]

I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who hated the ending scene of the first one.. Also the scenes where drac "growls" or gets angry.. Made me want to evaporate into my seat.

[@plexyglass429]

Surprised you didn't mention how good surf's ups animation was. Like it was stylised yet realistic where it counted. The water was insanely good looking and the use of a real camera rig to emulate a documentary camera crew was amazing. It honestly deserves a review. So like, do one :D

[@Green__Ghost]

Me and my GF watched the first movie on our first date about 10 years ago so it will always hold a special place in my heart.