Is Sorin Good in Soul Sisters, Actually? | Much Abrew

[@gothco]

Is [card] good in [archetype or deck] in [Modern/Timeless]? Lets play The One Ring and find out!

[@MTGGoldfish]

It's hard to pass it up, it's just so strong.

[@gothco]

@@MTGGoldfish I'm not blaming you.. I'm just commenting on the state of those formats.

[@KaiserTheDarkWolf]

I mean, the have to ban the one ring eventually. But the card is not that broken by itself. If just that buy you a turn (against normal wincons) is too strong to make a engine work.

[@special_circumstancs]

Match 1 game 3 was a One Ring win. Two turns of protection and 8 extra cards for 8 mana.

[@MTGGoldfish]

But Sorin! (Seriously though, The One Ring did win that game. It feels dirty having to play it, but it's just so strong it's hard to pass it up if you are trying to win).

[@Matti_Mattsen]

@@MTGGoldfish love how you went wild at the end, almost like a sports commentator ^^

[@maikocat]

I feel like The One Ring is doing something similar to Mental Misstep, where regardless of what deck you're playing, you need four of them in it or you're at an automatic handicap against any deck that is playing it. It's literally format warping. But I don't know if WotC can feasibly ban it due to its headlining nature.

[@toolittletoolate]

@@maikocat That's not entirely true, one ring is too slow for most agro decks, But for midrange you're 100% right. Even though he did win the one match with only 3 mana, that's an exception not a rule

[@maikocat]

@@toolittletoolate That's a good point. Mental Misstep being essentially a free spell meant it could go in literally any deck. The One Ring being 4 mana would be more expensive than aggro decks want with their low curve. But yah, outside of aggro, any deck that plans to last more than 4 turns would want it.

[@0Whitelottus0]

I love how Seth’s getting rewarded by this deck for believing in soul sisters for so long, so the deck just played amazingly

[@MTGGoldfish]

Soul Sister karma!

[@jellywillreturn]

This is what they mean in Yugioh when they say "believe in your deck, and your deck will believe in you".

[@JacoDeltaco]

I like when Seth go full sport commentator

[@MTGGoldfish]

I sometimes watch soccer highlights to warm up, even though I don't really care about soccer. They have some awesome announcers. Just need a card that will let me say "Gooooooooooooal."

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

​@@MTGGoldfishstrixhaven stadium against the odds?

[@demiurge2501]

@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle i think theres a strixhaven stadium vid from way back

[@erysecret]

11:48 is a really cool magic puzzle! Play ocelot pride, extort - 3 life gained (from soul sisters and extort) - 3 mana remaining, gain 1 more energy Attack with Guide of Souls, deal 3 damage with flying in the air - 3 mana, 0 energy, opponent at 11 Second main phase, pitch march of otherworldly light / suncleanser to solitude, targeting the buffed flyer. extort - 2 mana left in response to the evoke trigger, cast swords to plowshares targeting solitude, extort, 0 mana left 3 life from flyer, 3 life from solitude, 3 life from extort, 5 life from soul sisters - 13 damage thanks to Sorin -1, plus 3 damage from the flyer is GG VERY cool little interactions there. Swords and solitude become lightning helix thanks to sorin, and we have just enough mana to do it!

[@aaronkelly8725]

Wow, sorin enables some pretty sick lines on otherwise straightforward cards, i love it

[@jamesrule1338]

Not the point of the deck, but it does demonstrate why The One Ring should be banned. It's not really connected to anything in the deck. It's just so good it just goes into any deck. Smuggler's Copter was banned for less.

[@VoiceofKane3]

They should at least ban the paper version in Timeless and see how it goes with just the Alchemy version.

[@ruudvanlaarhoven5776]

It's connected in the way that you don't die to your ring nearly as fast as the other decks that play it, especially since Sorin cares about the amount of life gained this turn, not your life total, this deck is best suited for paying life for cards, and it's easier on the mana than a Necro

[@dizzzave357]

Watching nonstop bullshit by Seth's opponents and then be like "this just goes to show why the One Ring should be banned" 🤡🤡🤡

[@KaiserTheDarkWolf]

The one ring is a hard card to see. Its busted, yes. But is defensive busted, you can still disrupt your op gameplay and win anyways against most decks. In my opinion if the one ring show us something gameplay wise is how different some formats feels when X deck cant take the game against Y deck in the right turn.

[@petersteiman2443]

I feel like the Planeswalker side of Sorin should have the static ability that turns all Blood tokens you control into Food Tokens and then the plus should make a Blood token.

[@RedJadeArt]

Energy being so busted it makes sun cleanser playable

[@AquaDogYT]

i mean thats not busted, its just easy to board against. ppl put worldwake eldrazi in their sideboards and mills a tier 2 deck lmao

[@cc_rex5017]

I REALLY like this new Sorin. The fact that his "cost" for transforming is so little and the Payoff being so high makes him such a cool card. I'm definitely building a Commander deck around him

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, the new Sorin is a super cool card. It's strong, but I also don't think it's oppressive. Seems like a fun Commander too.

[@ReidFisher86]

22:00 Seth: “Sorin comes through!” Everyone else: “you cast multiple rings. Who’s the real winner here?”

[@herberpl]

Even in soul sisters.. The One Ring. Just ban this mistake already.

[@jrjamesson]

or restrict it, for at least a flavor win

[@rileystrickland9569]

TEAR IT TO SHREADS after I sell my copy

[@zoninkspl6597]

In all fairness, the one ring synergizes very well with a heavy lifegain deck.

[@herberpl]

@@zoninkspl6597 agree, but still

[@shidnfart]

@@jrjamessonworse than banning. great if you want Karn to be broken and for games to be decided on who draws Karn or Ring

[@PHDnHorribleness]

I'm only 12 minutes in so I don't know if this happens later, but can you use Solitude and/or Swords to Plowshare on your own things to help Sorin deal more damage? For instance, at this 11:48 turn, I'm imaging a line where you play Ocelot Pride, gain 2 life and an energy, attack with the three power Suncleanser (from 14 to 11). Then, main phase 2, play Solitude (+2 life) targeting your three power Suncleanser to gain 3, and Swords to Plowshares the Solitude. You have enough to pay for each of the three Extort costs as well for 3 more damage and 3 more life. So then Sorin can hit for 13, for a total of 19 damage that turn. Not sure if I did that correctly, please correct if necessary.

[@Bigd2k]

I play more historic than timeless, but I found that roaming throne works wonders in soul sisters. So many of the creatures are clerics that once you start multiplying the effects you get a 10 10 flying voice of the blessed before you can blink.

[@MTGGoldfish]

I do love Roaming Throne. I'll have to give it a try at some point.

[@xddddddddddddd]

when mh3 cards so broken you run cards that you shouldn't run be like:

[@kurowasanabe]

I'd rather run Delney, she also lets you double up on Ocelot and is one cheaper.

[@VoiceofKane3]

@@kurowasanabe *they

[@cantthink1932]

The question we really need to answer is does Sorin break Martyr Proc in Modern? If you can have 4 white cards in hand with a sorin out when you sac the martyr it's lethal. TECHNICALLY possible on T2 with the nut draw but would give you an excuse to break out all those Emerias, sun titans and Squadron Hawks...

[@JonReid01]

Against the odds!

[@failpker123]

Dude if I could afford the mythics, I'd play this all day!! I love playing soul sisters, and this is the most fun looking deck build I've ever seen. Thanks for the laughs, Olive!

[@Guynamedharry]

I played the deck with a few changes. I removed 2 of "The One Ring" for "Esper Sentinel". And swapped the 4 "Revival // Revenge" for "Helping Hand". "Helping Hand" was great because of the 3 life. Was able to get back Sorin and flip that same turn. Esper Sentinel was really just so I wouldn't be stuck with multiple 4 drops in Hand. I think once the new set, Bloomborrow, is released. "Essence Channeler" could easily replace it.

[@jrjamesson]

odd that you made sorin the focus of the question, when ocelot pride and guide of souls are literally right there and in the same set too

[@outtaideas849]

Because it's obvious THEY are good in Soul Sisters

[@toast_recon]

People are already very convinced about the validity of those two cards.

[@dougisacat]

LOL yeah those guys are good in ANYTHING

[@MTGGoldfish]

I think Guide of Souls is a little cheaty since it *is* a Soul Sister, but yeah. The set actually offered a bunch of good in Soul Sister cards somehow.

[@MateoByrd-kg9rf]

Soul sisters already has one drop creatures, Sorrin is something different

[@SeiShinjitsuShi]

But Spike told me the one ring was fine.

[@Kristjan0209]

Well, it is right now. There are multiple decks doing really well that are not playing the ring. So if only the ring was banned, those decks would just completely take over the meta. Because the one ring isn't a card that makes the meta smaller rather there are a lot of decks that just wouldn't be able to compete with the powerful new toys.

[@jyrinx]

@@Kristjan0209 If the best argument against banning The One Ring is that it holds Nadu back, I give up.

[@Kristjan0209]

@jyrinx Nadu wasn't even a part of my argument since Nadu should get banned very soon. Also one ring doesn't do anything vs nadu

[@jyrinx]

@@Kristjan0209 Fair, I put that in your mouth. Nadu is for sure the bigger problem since it makes one particular deck so overwhelming.

[@raynmanshorts9275]

That Death's Shadow match... Arena's patented hand-smoothing technology at work.

[@arcdevil]

We finally found a card that is good in soul sisters!!!! The one ring

[@misdemeanor61]

Soul Sisters will forever be my favorite Modern Architype, it was what I could afford to play when I was in college and it would get me a few top 4s at my LGS modern nights. Hope wizards has the nerve to bring Soul Attendant to arena.

[@JonReid01]

Well now it's 900 bucks lol

[@muhammadrafi4723]

19:38 the Raptor doesn't trigger because it was cast from graveyard

[@vctrsigma]

This deck looks really fun. Those One Ring are just stupidly expensive though.

[@ajaxender12]

I'm putting together Sorin Commander with Lurrus Companion, so it's nice to see the basic idea works really well and has all the cool lines to play like I thought it might

[@AwwhHex]

congrats on that energy game! that was soooo clutch!

[@quadmasterXLII]

The one ring is basically a soft ban on lurrus as your companion

[@dualmonkeyx]

I run a few Sorin in my mono black midrange deck in timeless. Dude just pulls his weight no matter the matchup. Win streaked from diamond straight to mythic playing Bo3. Dodges the 3 damage removal from all the red decks while being a beefy blocker. Flips pretty easily so still has to be respected by the slow decks. Instantly wins you the game with the -1 if you gain lots of life from One Ring + Sheoldred, Consuming Corruption or March of Wretched Sorrow. The lifegain naturally run in black deck to offset Necropotence/One ring is enough to make Sorin great. Extort is also a nice mana sink with so much of the format being full of cheap or free spells.

[@DarthTUK]

Perfectly understandable that you want to be comfortable, but that A/C be blasting right into my headphones 💀

[@hangongetready]

Sounds like he’s idling in a Mack truck 😂

[@r4vendusk]

From Norin Sisters to Sorin Sisters. Wonder wat the next card is going to be

[@ramowas]

You didn't notice that the first deck was a Thndercats deck. 😅 Cats, Energy.... Thunder.. thunder.. Thundercats!!!

[@Pottering12]

Sweet play Seth. Very fun.

[@brandonpayne4923]

Agadeems awakening should be in here somewhere i think :D

[@jrjamesson]

what bad outcome were you expecting from if you attacked with the 5/5 voice when they only had a bowmaster to block? Either they had a push to kill it or they would have had to had a bolt+bowmaster in hand to kill it, either way it wouldn't have got to 6/6 if you just kept waiting for a creature.

[@benlittle5543]

I remember a while ago you did a video regarding how much you spend on arena to get all thw cards you need. An update on that would be interesting. Also souls sisters is one of my favorite pet decks. I remember old Marty Proc from like 10 years ago now from this channel

[@bryanstokke6566]

That comeback game was sweet (sweet).

[@insidious]

That accidental + on Ajani ended up working out, you might have won anyways but that was two full attacks dedicated to just taking him out.

[@meshuggahshirt]

Triple Ocelot Pride warmed my heart

[@omegafolf]

Petition to name Soul Warren/Ocelot Pride combo the Cat Lady combo.

[@theblakwarior]

I feel like the case of the uneaten feast would have been way better than the luminarch veteran. Solving it has the same requirement as sorin, it is way more resilliant, and rebuilding from your graveyard is pretty great.

[@dallinhilton3189]

I’m sold on Miss Bumbleflower. I gotta get that deck

[@muffinhydra]

Do I see correct that the deck is 100% almost modern playable?

[@JonReid01]

Just the swords doesn't work, but yeah mostly

[@joshsawyer7167]

35:48. Seth knows about The Shadow?!?!

[@gfhgfhfhgfhfhgf]

And the Shadow knows

[@asge17]

If love to see how many wild cards Seth have it must be an insane amount

[@thespanishinquisiton8306]

I wonder if this deck would benefit from cutting Solitude for Swords or another removal spell and running Lurrus instead

[@robman102]

You can't play the One Ring if you add Lurrus which is a big loss.

[@SilverWolf340]

Need the one ring unfortunately, just look at match 1 game 3

[@glazed6178]

one drops are just getting too crazy. Ocelot Pride feels more pushed than Ragavan

[@Laevus2321]

The deck tech starts, I see the One Ring -sorry, the Four Ring - and I let out a long sigh. I'm interested in the content, but I'm sick of seeing that card.

[@rockandrolljew89]

I'm not sure that Sorin came through so much as The One Ring just did its thing, but Sorin is a cool card and fun to play with

[@petrsevcik5044]

Could The One Ring actualy be good in Soul Sisters?

[@inquisitorgrand]

Seeing a soul sisters list without green for CoCo is very interesting. I wonder if this would work better with an added green splash?

[@SpiddeRify]

I play Soul Sisters in Bo1.. =) But Bo1 (atleast in my rank) is plagued by Show and tell combo nonsese, scam stuff etc.. so i have to play Leyline, Witch Enchanter, etc.. =) but it is so fun to play deck

[@AquaDogYT]

i really dont enjoy ajani without red. His front side is good for your etb life gain, but without the damage on the 0 hes nowhere near as scary as he should be

[@Weenhander]

I’m not giving up, bring back rough drafts!!!

[@HankusTheTankus333]

"teaching arena zoomers about suncleanser"

[@tavitalvensaari6355]

Lot of background noise in this recording. Kinda sounded like a neverending train.

[@josephwodarczyk977]

I don't hear it at all. Are you like 15 or younger? Maybe it's just superior young person hearing.

[@tavitalvensaari6355]

@@josephwodarczyk977 21, dear commenter.

[@tavitalvensaari6355]

@@josephwodarczyk977 21, dear commenter. It's just white noise, but it's definitely there.

[@nellyi4558]

I also hear it, it sounds like just straight white noise. Wonder what it is

[@rubeshere]

Pretty big to have no sideboard for Show and Tell. But I guess arena will always feed you the mirror anyway...

[@zigzag2370]

wait till seth sees the newest addition to soul sisters its like an upgraded pridemate that has quirion beast callers ability to leave its counters on anorher creature when it dies

[@JonReid01]

What card is that

[@DabbleDo]

Ocelot Pride should be a dang legendary idc

[@Earthworm_Zim]

“Babou, Ocelot Prideleader”

[@JonReid01]

They are waiting for the lion king Universe Beyond set

[@TheyCallMeDio]

Crim looks different in this video Is thatba new hair? lol

[@SpitefulAZ]

I think this deck has hope of being good because it is using cards that are definitely good in other timeless dex

[@BatsyGC]

Audio issues?

[@CDShap]

I just came up against a deck in Timeless that used necropotence and ivory towers to gain a bunch of life and kill me with Sorin. I thought it was cool tech.

[@ericvernon1182]

Too bad we didn't have Suncleanser during Temur Energies run in standard...

[@Discarabsnation3187y]

Bruh I get that The One Ring is just optimal in many of these jank decks but it really is starting to feel that, whenever I boot up a creator playing something non-aggro, the deck starts with 4 rings.

[@broskander3671]

Sorin didnt pull through in that G3. The One Ring did. 😂

[@TheDylls]

Wait... Soren's planeswalker side. The last ability. Doesn't that imply that Soren is a white permanent? Isn't that incorrect because the white mana symbol onoy appears in the reminder text.

[@AnonYmous-et4mz]

Has a W/B color indicator. the little circle in front of the typeline. This has been a thing for colored cards (or back faces) without mana costs for some time.

[@TheDylls]

@@AnonYmous-et4mz Oh damn! Thanks! Didn't know that one

[@AnonYmous-et4mz]

@@TheDylls You're welcome :) I think it's a smart way of saving space, though I really think "(Slaughter Pact is black.)" also just has a nice ring to it^^

[@DrAngryMongoose]

I know you love your combos, but I feel like this would be stronger as a lurrus deck

[@Random27790]

One Ring, one keep.

[@cardshark38]

Could there be an Abzan build with essence warden also?

[@cardshark38]

Maybe include some fights or bites for when you get a big Voice of the Blessed?

[@ThiagoJaworski]

32 ocelot pride Against the Odds!!!!

[@SpitefulAZ]

why didn't you block 3 tokens when they attacked ajani Planeswalker

[@JonReid01]

He didn't want to flip theirs I think

[@xicarus8141]

Sorin also works in orzhov burn XD

[@thatonedudejake]

Jolted awake could be pretty nice in this deck

[@Youmnfr]

Sorin is great in golgari storm, less spells to win with him

[@christianbarrett3040]

We need a few modern budget decks given all these new expensive decks running around

[@il-jumpermt7577]

I put 2 sun cleansers in main board lol

[@HomeCookinMTG]

I dont understand the title? Soul sisters became good a long time ago. Or did we forget that CoCo angels is basically just a soul sisters deck. Not to mention they got ocelot pride, ajani, and the new soul sister recently, but even before that, they had voice of the blessed and Righteous Valkyrie. I’m not saying it was tier one but to sit here and pretend like it wasn’t a good deck that consistently gets 60 to 70% win rate before mh3 is kind of silly.

[@johnvoorhees3441]

The fan going in the background made this one unwatchable for me

[@blackiscolor7732]

Has anyone tried martyr proc sorin?

[@979259]

more Seth arena content plz

[@ScornfulEg0tist]

I loved it when he said "it's sorin time" and then markov'd all over them

[@dadbod808]

Younger seth would have early scooped game one

[@imakuni67]

No Metastatic Evangel? Edit: Everyone calling on The One Ring ban. They should just restrict it in all formats it is legal in for the flavor and then see how the metas readjust! 😂

[@shot040]

i hate modern horizons. 1 mana creatures that wins all on its is insanely bad gameplay. where is our 1 mana enchanment or 1 mana sorcery that wins the game?

[@zigzag2370]

uhmmmm 😅

[@Terrabyte13]

Swords to plowshares and fastbond

[@YourAdHere4]

reanimate

[@Samst0n]

@@YourAdHere4reanimate requires a good creature and a way to get it in your yard, and it doesn’t even guarantee a win.

[@itamarbenshmuel2080]

Well none of the creatures in modern horizons guarantee a win either ​@@Samst0n

[@lotusfielddynamo888]

How is the one ring not banned game 1 it was the only reason he was still alige

[@yopman411]

Actually mad they gave Sorin white color identity for no reason, nothing on the card gives it white color identity other that WotC deciding its white.

[@alaya1347]

Other than the literal colour identifiers you mean?

[@yopman411]

@@alaya1347 that they added for no reason.

[@hartfordwolfpack8678]

Are we just playing timeless because of Nadu?

[@SeraHuffman]

I think Seth is far to conservative when he has no reason to be and far too risky when there's no need for it like his obsession with one landers tho he was a bit better here idk, I feel like he and I are polar opposites in opinion it's only worth waiting if it wins you the game imo

[@The_Smartest_Witch]

Cool One Ring deck! Maybe WB is the optimal shell

[@WishedTea7]

You might need to turn down your gain there Seth, I can hear your fans going

[@Alaric11]

Ocelot is insanely annoying.

[@TheCmafra]

21min omg

[@velraith]

Soul sisters was my first deck when i started playing magic so its nice to see them ok again. However, modern horizons is an awful product that has ruined modern as a whole.

[@AeroSW]

Deck concept works if Sorin has the same personality as Balder Gate's Astarion.

[@aroesblackstone1]

Great vid but goodness the whole soul warden/ajani/ocelot pride stuff is braindead boring to actually play against purely because that seems to be all the people are playing. I swear in historic there's a 50/50 shot the opponent opens with a soul warden.

[@PublicNMEno1]

0:00 Maybe I'm showing my foolishness here, but the fact that Soul Sisters (a life gain deck) has 4 copies of The One Ring (a life loss card) is the best possible illustration of what's wrong with Magic right now. EDIT: I think I'm actually wrong here, given that this iteration of Soul Sisters is more about life gain triggers, and less about life total, per se. With that being the case, The One Ring is actually a good fit, rather than a non-bo piece that gets thrown in because it's OP like I originally thought.

[@seththeace6217]

Gaining life makes effects that cost life less costly. If anything, this is one of 2 places the one ring makes particular sense in. The other place is deaths shadow.

[@syrelian]

Yes and no, Life gain decks almost always have things that cause life loss as well, because "have a huge life total" isn't really a wincon, it just delays losing, and things that cost you life tend to have very strong upsides that help close out games, or its Aether Reservoir which DOES turn "have a huge life total" into a wincon..... via life loss, spend 50 life, fire the death laser for 50 damage the One Ring however is just plain bonkers as far as value engines go

[@PublicNMEno1]

@@syrelian No doubt. I was thinking about earlier versions of the deck that had things like Serra Ascendant that care about having 30+ life or in rarer cases, Felidar Sovereign that care about having 40+ life. But as you and Seth the Ace mentioned, life gain mitigating the One Ring's life loss actually is a fit.

[@crox]

So sick of one ring

[@jakeschreiner9348]

You built soul sisters without emalia. Fore-shame

[@bookerplayer01]

Oh look, another deck that plays 4 of "One" Ring. Yawn.

[@papamaples617]

No

[@Slimpster520]

I hate Arena. Why aren't you playing this in modern?