How Will You Win if Your Library is Empty? | Much Abrew

[@MrKhorn]

55:10 Not yelling, just here to educate people: yes, you CAN target your 1/1army with a bowmasters trigger. It will be a 2/2 with 1 damage assigned to it. The explanation is state based actions aren't checked during a trigger that is being resolved, only before and after, so the army would be a 1/1 with a damage assigned to it and then get the counter before state based actions are checked.

[@ADudeWhoExperiences1393]

Good explanation 👍 I was about to do so myself

[@I43573]

34:27 Seth blissfully unaware of how lucky he was to dodge the three endurances in his opponents deck

[@xiaohe6407]

this is exactly what I thought. Discarding all the gas and keeping all the lands is not a cautious move.

[@SoupLauncher]

Nothing makes me happier than seeing a lotus field player salt scoop.

[@bobwilson679]

"Oh nooo poor Lotus field control, are you sad that you lost a game? Poor you!"

[@bdawg8877]

Including lose apparently ​@@fredt1983

[@bensteinhauser784]

Wish they banned that shit in pioneer

[@yavivanov6650]

Pretty sure he got disconnected

[@Corvina_]

but...but...I play lotus field...

[@MrBrockProductions]

23:42 i like how casting the dark rituals here is basically the same as if you had just exiled them to the march

[@thecrazycapn]

23:30 - You live dangerously, Seth. If they had another Bow Master in hand they could've sniped you during their upkeep. That was more mill than you needed.

[@ther3aper561]

That's a good call out

[@Latman2k]

Opponent #2 was truly a class act, letting Seth go off when its clear it's over

[@ConManAU]

Opponent: *plays Blood Moon* Seth: You dare use my own spells against me?

[@sveltemax3606]

I think fewer Arena zoomers would hate mill so much if Tutelage wasn't absolutely heinous in the app Takes forever to aim its triggers and longer to resolve them, you can FEEL the salt building lmao

[@DrAngryMongoose]

Turbo tutage is back? And even more Turbo!???! I built both your Sphinx's tutelage in Standard and your Teferi's tutelage on Arena back in the day.

[@skeven0]

i have fond memories of Sphinx's tutelage in a GU turbofog deck back in the day in standard

[@lizzieyoung1319]

1:09:00 Seth, active player, nonactive player. Your triggers go on the stack first, opponent's resolve first.

[@pa_3op]

Yeah, as an ex-judge I yelled a little at that moment, because APNAP will always be imprinted in my brain. Sure, not everyone should know all the rules, but playing for so many years and blutantly ignoring one of four golden rules is... Well, anyway, it's one of the things we love Seth for =)

[@ShiroyWolf]

55:10 Creatures dying due to marked damage is a state based action. (Or dying from having 0 toughness or hit with deathtouch.) Which are not checked in the middle of resolving an ability. Only when priority gets passed around. The army will for a moment have 1 damage and 1 toughness but by the time you check state based action it will already have a toughness of 2. This timing is also important for creatures with toughness based on cards in hand while wheeling or based on (creature) cards in graveyard while resolving Living End. This also means when you hit a Sheoldred with (Expansion/)Explosion she will live just long enough to watch you draw all those cards and hurt you. Decree of Pain is fine though. Since the instruction for destroying something is to put it into the graveyard from the battlefield, she will have already left the battlefield by the time you draw. Shatter the Sky is not fine with Sheoldred because of the order of the instructions on the card.

[@ryanbolson23]

The Teferi control player would salt out.

[@thecollectiblecollectabill2298]

That explanation of how to build a blood moon mana base was perfect! I've been wondering how to make a blood moon deck after trying and falling a couple times

[@rtgplayer8396]

Not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure you can ping the bowmaster token, and it won't die because the ability resolves fully and amazes before state based actions take effect to kill the token

[@jonathansnow21]

Correct.

[@gravios24]

Alright alright I get it Seth, you've convinced me to build a blue black mill deck.

[@HomeCookinMTG]

You say that like blue black Mill isn’t a popular meta deck in both timeless and historic lol. Check those lists out for a good starting point.

[@gravios24]

@@HomeCookinMTG I figured it was. I'm tied though. Not sure if I do blue black or just straight blue with bruvac as commander

[@TheGrifcannon22]

I imagine Crim is saying the same thing.

[@spicymato]

To combat Leyline of Sanctity, maybe play a 3-3 split of the tutelage effects? While Tefari's gives you the ETB loot effect, Psychic Corrosion does not target ("each opponent" instead of "target opponent").

[@Mr_Dopey]

This seems like a good home for the new Tamiyo. If you draw half your deck you win.

[@VadimKazakov]

The best part of these videos is when Seth plays some rogue version of a deck. "Wait are we beating Show and Tell? Is this deck good?" Meanwhile opponent is playing some janky sneak attack deck that just happens to also play show and tell.

[@kylegonewild]

Poor jub77 you know he had to be a little angry at himself evoking a grief after either forgetting the protection or thinking turning it into an Elk turned that off.

[@TheGrifcannon22]

Now I want to build Zur the Enchanter with this combo.

[@OGNoNameNobody]

"Turn a weakness into a strength!" . . . . . . . . -Darkwing Duck

[@cupcakeapplesauce]

Bowmasters, sheoldred, and the one ring. Those cards are so cracked it's crazy

[@bensteinhauser784]

At 55:10, you should be able to hit the orc army. Dying from having 0 toughness is a state based action, so it won't be checked until after the trigger has been resolved entirely. Orc army is set to 0-> orc army +1/+1-> orc army lives.

[@CenJohan]

This feels like the type of deck that the second anyone else tries, they immediately go 0-5 despite playing it 50% more optimally.

[@neoUjman]

54:57 Plays into chalice, gets distracted by 1 damage amass + 1damage amass, makes plan to play march into chalice on 1, keeps a bunch of 1 mana spells to end the turn MTG Goldfish indeed

[@Vigilanchovy]

March is fine into chalice because on the stack it has a mv of 1+x so cost never 1

[@TransformersBoss]

Kinda funny to see Seth go all-in on One Ring and Sheoldred, since he frequently dunks on how busted they are, and tends to avoid playing them since he wants to win on jank and merit rather than busted cards. 4 Necrodominance, 4 One Ring, 3 Sheoldred. Boy, I hope we win!

[@mateocossani8231]

Maybe not go down to 1 at 23:50 just in case they up keep flash in Bowmasters

[@nephdrummond3168]

Maybe I’m missing something here, but they were fully tapped out so it should have been free and clear to do so right?

[@battleship789]

​@@nephdrummond3168 In the upkeep step the opponent would gain priority after untapping but before drawing on an empty library, so they would have a chance to flash in a bowmaster before losing the game. Seth was also afraid of this happening with a Lightning Helix instead of a bowmaster around 48:53.

[@toxicbuffalo2269]

i had a crab mill deck running teferi's tutelage, fraying sanity and the one ring, along with glimpse the unthinkable. Reliably mills the opponent by turns 5-8 if I remember correctly. Glad to see tutelage get some play on this channel

[@escivencain8653]

Sphinx tutelage, curse of the bloody tome and Talrand with cheap cantrips was my go to deck when I first started playing

[@dorgfanger]

Now THIS is podracing

[@jaysonking4055]

I remember that have always loved your videos helped keep me in magic when I don't have the community around me

[@CWSmith86]

Built something similar and I used beseech for tutelage numbers 5-8 since it gets both sides of the combo and also gets Shelly and TOR

[@seanmild5536]

Sphinx’s Tutelage, my love.

[@overtone55]

15:34 nice of you to find opp's memory deluges for them

[@BlinkyFizz]

The Sphinxs Tutelage turbo fog deck from.. ~2015 was the first modern deck I built. I hadn't been playing MtG for very long at the time I saw that video, but it was instantly my favourite. Lol

[@DrHankVenture]

Hey Seth! Against the Blood Moon deck you can actually target the orc army at 1/1. I've tried it before on Arena and it seems like the two abilities need to resolve before the death trigger would take effect. It would be a 2/1 after damage and would reset to 2/2 on end of turn.

[@IaruEmbyr]

I gotta ask, who does the art for the thumbnails? Theyre always so charming.

[@CrunchyEdiblesML]

Adriano Kitani

[@petersteiman2443]

There really should be some way for Wizards to punish control players who salty rope.

[@MichaelSuperbacker]

Good Morning ☀️

[@milohummon8753]

Magic

[@hackman460]

The legend

[@dragon101woof8]

This reminds me of the turbo fog deck from a while ago

[@josephwoodworth1888]

Having recently swapped from corrosion to tutleage for the loot effect - I ran into some interesting differences, tefer's tutelage targets - so one ring and protection effects guard against it - corrosion doesn't target. Also corrosion is a bit better for multiplayer - just thought i'd point these out, because at first i thought Tef Tut was strictly better - but it's not the case.

[@turquoiseclouddreams-x2i]

Hi! I got a cheap electric eraser not long ago that works well, it came with two sizes of eraser refill, one of which is the same diameter as the Tombow Mono Zero. It works incredibly, combining the best elements of both. I may try the small refill in an 18v dremel to see if i can get slightly cleaner results.

[@shawnrehm2394]

57:00 reminder that your blood moon deck needs mountains now or the new flood moon merfolk will lock you out.

[@christianbraun8067]

Would have been really funny if op in the second match game 1 had the 3rd bow masters in hand to kill you on their upkeep

[@duathhadron5040]

Tutelage is such a fun card! I have it in my Nekuzar EDH deck. I combo it with Teferi’s Puzzle Box and Ageless Insight 😂

[@ryanwesneski5359]

The early scoop is an act of self-love and you need never apologize for it ❤

[@zacharymichael9718]

How do you feel about Fraying Sanity over Psychic Corrosion? You don't get the triggers off Necro, but it seems functionally the same and makes Tutelage stronger without needing to full send with Necro.

[@acdcguy18]

38:50 The amount of lands drawn so far this game is insane.

[@chrisbonjour111]

Love this deck. Excited to port it over to Modern.

[@garmatey3816]

Seth, if you let him stifle your fetch land then he’s not using the stifle on his lotus field, so it’s like instead of him getting a one mana stone rain it’s like you’re getting a negative one mana double stone rain.

[@Bolasaur]

Could this deck use inquisition of kozilek instead of thoughtsieze? Idk I feel like the two life matters here

[@natejablonski]

I'd rather lose two life to Thoughtseize than the game to Sheoldred, the Apocalypse.

[@ethanocallaghan-y9k]

seth! would you ever consider thought distortion against control in a dark ritual deck, 6 mana is steep in timeless but its such a house against control decks, love the content as always ❤

[@MindstabThrull]

Hey Seth, probably better known as SaffronOlive! vs Sneak and Show in the post-sideboard game, opponent put Sneak Attack into play with Show and Tell. Why didn't you put Teferi's Tutelage into play instead of a land?

[@aztcflow4734]

15:00 without condoning nor condemning, I understand

[@JacoDeltaco]

9:15 one ring first you have two and if it resolve it protect your hand anyway

[@Crazymachin3gun]

All spicy brews this week. Luv it

[@deadneck13]

I would switch to more Corrosion and less Tutelage. Yes, you lose the loot on ETB, but it doesn't target and this gets around Leyline of Sanctity and Metropolis Reformer effects.

[@deadneck13]

Veil of Summer also could have really hosed Tutelage in game 2.

[@danielkings2443]

Way back when I played a deck sort of like this in standard with tutelage and Rielle the everwise

[@thejuggernautofspades9453]

Jace "if i draw a card with an empty library, i win instead of losing" Portral of thran "Pay 4, flash in a historic card"

[@getsaucysubjectsk7444]

I think this combo could be made even better with Ashiok, Wicked Manipulator He allows you to not lose life and just exile cards so you could pay more than your life total for Necro and mill out the opponent before you mill yourself

[@ryanbolson23]

It’s honestly so boring watching this format when every game against black revolves around sheoldred and bow masters.

[@zackestin1368]

The more powerful a format gets the more it becomes around key card synergies in your deck and recognizing which your opponents are using and stopping them, it’s a type of magic you have to appreciate to enjoy, sheoldred is only as good as it is because of one ring, brainstorm, and faithless looting existing in so many decks in the format.

[@spicymato]

42:02 Was there a reason to not put in Teferi's Tutelage instead of the land?

[@larryjohnson2971]

i want an against the odds with this idea but you can only use looting effects like a red blue loot deck. I image it would be much harder.

[@gabrielemarogna9444]

Not convinced by demonic tutor btw, it seems to me like beseech the mirror is so often better

[@Alexander-rk4cu]

great video, really like the deck. just got to the leyline of sancteti part. and have some thoughts. the deck as is, have 2 to 3 ish ways out of a leyline, sheoldred, Psychic Corrosion, and combat damage. sheoldred and Psychic Corrosion, both don target, but instead say "they lose 2 life" or "each opponent" both of which again, isnt targeting. of course combat damage can also work. one addition to the deck that also could help in such situations, would be feed the swarm, as its the only black spell that can directly remove enchantments. otherwise, great video, do really like the deck, looks like fun, even though its playing 3 diffrent kinds of busted cards.

[@Alex_Simpson711]

Maybe add locust god to the deck to make a swarm of flying goblins? And/or add cards that allow you yo have no max hand size to the deck as well

[@zigzag2370]

i was part of the team that built the forst sphinx tutelage deck back in origina it holds a special place in my heart. seth there was a deck variant that never really caught on bc jeskai black aggro was really good but if you had jeskai ascendancy and noyan dar in play when you cast your non creature spells you would loot from ascendancy it triggered tutelage and it would untap your creatures. well noyan dar turned all your lands into creatures each time you cast a non creature spell and that would let you go infinite if you can tripped your way thru your library. the deck was also jeskai black i wosh i still had it sleeved for the exact list but the slots were essentially the izzet tutelage deck with noyan dar, ascendancy, utter end , bunch of cantrip spells and tempo cards.... we just need noyan dar on arena to recreate it 😅

[@ther3aper561]

This deck makes me happy

[@Leeyore1]

With all that mill, I think Pithing Needle is better than it looks in your sideboard.

[@IamRelint]

The round he hit every land in his deck with card draw

[@jonathanstudentkit]

THE ORC DOES NOT DIE WHEN YOU PING IT #yelledat

[@boobox2000]

How many times have I heard Seth say "Wait, is this deck actually good?"

[@stevenrichardson1061]

I forgot to make this comment on ur phyrexian obliterator deck but I thought it would work well with either the many green my monster fights ur monster spells or with the pariah card that if I remember correctly says all damage to u is directed at enchanted creature

[@Hyenadont]

I would love to see a modern version lol, fight the bird

[@brianarsuaga5008]

Seems brave to play best of 3 in timeless/historic. I run an uncastable gaea's blessing in some of my best of ONE decks!

[@nathan6469]

Turn 2 is best possible win with perfect cards 4 dark rituals 1 blue black land 1 shelderd turn 1 3 dark rituals then sheldered then necrodomance gain a lot of life turn 2 win.

[@TheJakeL152]

i would have scooped in game two against control too, i value my own sanity more than the win.

[@grimfrost002]

"You cant Stifle losing the game" bruh lmao

[@Mutoforma]

Huh. I wonder how well Teferi's Tutelage works with a bunch of wheel effects.

[@zackestin1368]

It’s seen a little play in narset wheel decks, but ultimately if you are using a wheel combo like that just being a counterspell deck is better when trying to win as much as possible.

[@milo8425]

54:59 lol

[@smithereen7430]

What kind of queues are you playing in to run into that prison pile that bloodmooned themself

[@jasonhernandez3806]

Nothing in the board to fight Gaea's Blessing-type effects? I know they can be somewhat rare, but it's also an auto-lose a lot of times

[@salvatoredantonio2413]

I think Leyline of the Void stops it, since the deck only mills two cards at a time the most they would get back is two cards, then you just gotta wait for the opponent to draw them

[@kylegonewild]

​@@salvatoredantonio2413 Leyline is a static replacement that should prevent any card from ever hitting the opponent's graveyard. Gaea's Blessing's tuck-n-shuffle is a trigger when it is put into the graveyard. I think Blightsteel Colossus is the tuck-n-shuffle that gets around this since its ability is also a replacement effect and would be more recently time stamped.

[@salvatoredantonio2413]

@@kylegonewild leyline should still work for the most part though right?

[@kylekarich]

I don't think you're legally allowed to salt rope if you're playing lotus field.

[@TransformersBoss]

27:22 should’ve just played the Ring here. Buy yourself a turn and some card-draw. If he could’ve countered the Ring, he would’ve also been able to counter March.

[@gilliganallmighty3]

Dont forget Sheoldred plus Necro and Tutelage makes your opponent lose 4 life every time you activate the Necro. You should win prior to the mill out.

[@Ko0ntz]

We need sphynx's tutelage. I miss that card

[@randomlb2442]

would this combo work with ashiok, wicket manipulator? then instead of paying life for the necro, you can just exile cards from your library to mill two cards from the opponents.

[@TheREALTheRealAdam]

It would definitely be a guaranteed kill, but the problem is Ashiok does basically nothing outside of the full combo. And as we can see, such a combo is hardly necessary for the deck to work. In other words: adding Ashiok is peak win-more.

[@jimboslice2166]

Yay back to arena heck yeah!

[@mistersleep9830]

Sorry im a bit new to magic, but wouldnt pithing needle work naming bowmasters to not deal with the pings?

[@alexkuzela9266]

Needle stops activated abilities, bowmaster is a triggered ability. Activated Abilities are ones that you have to pay a cost for, where triggered abilities generally say "when X" or "at X" as they trigger when a certain thing happens.

[@Bob-np2uc]

Bowmaster is actually a triggered ability, pithing needle only turns off activated abilities (you can tell an activated ability because it always has an activation cost followed by a colon)

[@Tambanti]

Seth calling sneak and show a spicy deck lol

[@person3176]

dark ritual is a great card but personally i'd side it out more

[@ave_maria323]

God spinx takes me back

[@TsahayluFa]

Games start @ 4:35

[@jshtng78]

"How WIll You Win if Your Library is Empty?" Writing this comment before the video to say that at least 2 particular design mistakes on cardboard come to mind.

[@jamesrule1338]

The salt must flow.

[@christopherclark4393]

Could you play this in modern?

[@Hodebrot]

9:14 i mean, that was obvious, wasn't it? 🤣

[@ColossaldreadmawOP]

How

[@JacoDeltaco]

@@ColossaldreadmawOP it not that was obivious it more that its was obviously the wrong cards to play he had to one ring so the less valuable cards was the ring and if the ring resolve it also protect is hand until next turn. Seth chose wrong and got punish

[@blabik]

How to make a janky deck? Take Sheoldred, One ring, Bowmasters, Necro, Dark Ritual, Fatal Push.... Add 4 janky cards 👍Sucess, you made a janky deck!👍

[@wassupyall3881]

The lotus field match id of played the one ring first since you have 2 of them

[@johndoe9343]

I'm surprised no Archive Trap in sideboard.