Is Space Marine 2 PvP good?

a review video about Warhammer 40,000 Space marine 2 PvP mode called eternal war. Talking about the games classes and Weapons.
what the pvp mode contains in Warhammer 40k: Space Marine 2 and if it is worth playing
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[@chrishamilton7516]

Is it good? Yea. Could it be better? Yea

[@Clarke73lol]

Is it worth buying for the PvP alone? I’m desperate for a new multiplayer game

[@ImAlwaysPlus]

@@Clarke73lolthe pvp is fun but to buy this game only for that would prob not be worth it. All the game modes are great. If the pvp gets you to play operations to then yea prob worth it.

[@ergihazizaj390]

Heretic

[@dragobch]

@@Clarke73lolif you got 3-4 real friends to play this with, then yeah, absolutely. I am just playing pvp now with pals, feels as if we were a real space marine corps

[@Clarke73lol]

@@dragobch I only have one friend 😭

[@lordlopikong6940]

Space marines die in multitude of ways. And that granade is the size of 4 human heads, it's huge. Either way. I think the pvp should just be pvp and a fun shooter not an accurate portrayal in the lore. Because if it was you'd have For Honor gameplay for every fight and it takes 30 minutes of mag dump to kill 1 guy.

[@Nook772]

Ok, but I love for honor combat system, I would love a 40k version

[@mcmurray360]

If we're going off the tabletop gameplay, you can definitely get killed/kill a space marine in 3-4 shots from a standard bolter. I agree pvp should just be fun stuff without bothering with the lore.

[@jakefuller685]

@@mcmurray360I read in lore it takes 4-6 and upwards of 8 bolter shots to kill a space marine so it seems good where it is for me

[@brentkehler1685]

Bruh, most For Honor duels are over in a minute 😆

[@scrotumscratcher2474]

@@Nook772yea I’m gonna pass lmao

[@moffxanatos6376]

Frag Grenades shouldn't be able to 1 shot a Marine, but Krak Grenades and especially Melta Bombs absolutely should. Those are specifically anti-armour and anti-fortification in nature.

[@Pe37777]

This reminds me of early 2010’s games where PVE was the focus and multiplayer was tacked on which is always how it should be. The PvP is supposed to be stupid fun that isn’t meant to be taken seriously idk why people expect it to be super good and the next big thing. It’s a cool little feature you can play if you want to

[@Atriox-il3mt]

Exactly!! Not every game needs to be a competitive sweatfest 😂

[@estebanboudet9523]

@@Atriox-il3mt It's so refreshing to play this game i forgot i could have fun in multiplayer

[@ghostdamost]

this game is so half-assed. PVE is good but not good enough to stand on its own. Remember if you want more PVE or PVP you will have to buy the 40 battle passes.

[@Pe37777]

@@ghostdamost it’s supposed to be a single player game. I’d say it did the job well. If you are old enough to remember older games you’d remember that the campaigns were not super long and they all had a beginning and and end and after that you play PVP until you get bored and move on. You and a lot of other gamers have been conditioned to think you need 200+ hours of content to justify a purchase nowadays. What’s wrong with a single player campaign with a couple fun side missions and simple PvP? This is all the game needed to be and I don’t really care if they add more stuff. I had my fun and can safely say it was money well spent.

[@ghostdamost]

@@Pe37777 Older games like the Halo series had great campaigns and also great PVP in which you then you would have to buy map packs for more content. I don't care if they add more stuff but putting in a half-assed pvp mode and then ask for 40$ battle passes is a bad move. They could have took all that time and made the campaign longer. I'm just going to finish the campaign and hope they come out with SP3. Also putting pvE content behind battle passes is diabolical corporate greed. The main campaign for SP2 is 6 -7 hours... while Gears was roughly 10-11. i'm sorry if you think buying battle passes for more PVE content is a good idea. They are literally pay walling what we should have gotten in the first place a regular 11 hour game.

[@olof1]

Great review. Agree with all. Add in another 3-5 maps, maybe another 2 classes, Chaos customization, and we're off to the races. Also I guess stuff like voice comms in the lobby, etc. I hope they realize how good this pvp mode is and pivot to put more resources on it as you say. I think the foundation is stellar and can become the next gears of war type pvp franchise.

[@customerkodi4464]

I think the weakest is operations. I think the pvp isn’t unfinished I thinks it’s just really simple. It’s really fun and quick and easy get in and get out gameplay. It’s great.

[@cth435]

Oh wow , this actually got me excited for the PVP in this game, I always thought of it as a side I don t want to touch but this looks fun

[@rushiuppu4180]

I think if they give some focus on developing the pvp and supporting it SP2 will last a long time

[@P-sychotic]

SM PvP is so good, it was good in SM1 and it's just as good as SM2. The classes don't have a lot of unlocks that make you feel like you're behind the game when your opponents are so much higher level than you. It just feels very balanced and when I get in a lobby to play a few games, I don't feel like I'm in a lobby of sweats where I'm just not enjoying the game.

[@haydenmammen6079]

FR people who are complaining about this are just complaining to hear their voice

[@lumen-youtube]

i got 180 hours in SM1, and i will say this, i do NOT miss the lazcannon lmao. it was only a little bit OP so it wasn't crazy, but it was so lame to fight against. edit: i also wanna say im so glad what they did with assault. assault was a literal joke in sm1 PvP, nearly useless, it's a meme class. especially with the bad lag in sm1 pvp. im SO glad assault in viable in pvp now.

[@P-sychotic]

@@lumen-youtube Oh god you just brought back the PTSD I have long suppressed from the lascannon hahahaha I totally forgot about that horror! I haven't done much assault class, but I'm trying to make vanguard work haha, maybe I'm forcing it too much in situations where it doesnt work (most likely), but I just wanna live out my khorne berzerker fantasy :(

[@lumen-youtube]

@@P-sychotic vanguard works wonders against lone targets. if you can pick out and chase people led astray from their group, you can be a real menace. you can also still offer some good support in team fights with your primary but stay in the back lines. if you're wandering by yourself, you have to be very picky-choosy with your fights before you start them. thats the general mentality i use with assault, and it's worked really well and seems to be the same mentality for vanguard.

[@lumen-youtube]

@@P-sychotic also yeah the lazcannon was such a menace lmao. it was such a busted sniper, 2 shotting with body shots, infinite range with no bullet travel or drop or damage falloff, and because i guess it isnt powerful enough, it also punches through thin walls... which includes most cover in all of the PvP maps that aren't big concrete walls lmao. man i really dont miss that weapon. every time a good lazcannon was on the enemy team id be playing the game normally until i suddenly lose my entire shield across the map, take cover and think to myself "i guess i cant play the game anymore.. just gotta.. sit here..." lmaoo

[@Draconaii]

I think if they want to, they can really keep this game going for a while, updating both the pvp and the pve mode has so much potential in the long run.

[@De4d4TheRest]

Check out the roadmap if you haven’t, they’ve got plans for all modes, free updates with new enemies, maps, modes, customization, and more

[@Draconaii]

@@De4d4TheRest upon looking at the roadmap im excited to see the new modes, pve content and weapons, but the customization is a concern since it seems to only be paid customization from here

[@De4d4TheRest]

@@Draconaii trueee i personally am not too concerned about it but I will say, cosmetics being the only thing you need to pay for? What a dream in 2024

[@Draconaii]

@@De4d4TheRest Well that and the game

[@De4d4TheRest]

@@Draconaii well true but we want good games, not bankruptcy lmaooo. Id trade this video gamescape of free games with battle passes and mtx to paid games that are significantly more realized, any day

[@mrums4588]

I played PvP for 8hours straight yesterday. I love it, there are little things that are annoying but I like the balancing of the classes and it's overall very enjoyable.

[@frankfurt564]

not a fan of how there's basically no gore or executions. bolters are basically mini missile launchers so bodies should be exploding when shot but they just sort of fall over and disappear. if you get a headshot their head should explode. GoW had this and it came out in 2006. for a game to not have this in 2024 is just lame. same applies for chainswords

[@legion1yt]

Have you played the game? No gore?😂

[@CodeShortsExclusive]

​@@legion1yti dont think e played the game 😅

[@frankfurt564]

@@legion1yt I'm talking about pvp. show me the gore in pvp.

[@yeeterdeleter2096]

​@@frankfurt564 If you wanna go by lore every space Marine would take many minutes of mag dumping to kill let alone make them explode, at most there would be blood but they wouldn't just pop

[@proggz39]

@@yeeterdeleter2096when did he say anything about going off the lore? That’s not important to PvP and he’s right, the gore is severely lacking in PvP. There’s hardly any blood, no dismemberment and bodies do just slump over and disappear when people should be exploding

[@morrumband]

This game is a great blank slate. Its fun as fuck at launch but just imagine what it would be like if they add the guard and all the xenos scum.

[@YUNGSLEEVES]

it just reminds me of transformers fall of cybertron i love ittttt

[@rebouteguilliman]

Same here

[@ogtbtv]

This 💪🏾💯

[@RIPBroHogan]

Thought i was the only one honestly lol

[@tomshepard9050]

There is noting quite like shooting thicc bois with blocky guns spitting out minitank shells hammering your ears. And TTK done right makes PvP wayy more enjoyable - it's got many good straits from Halo and Gears. Now if only there is bigger battlefields with vehicles...it's literally playing Dawn of War but you are in action. Imagine add other races and Sisters and Cadians it would be MADNESS.

[@pxrishTV]

At first I was treating the pvp like gears of war and was getting demolished being by myself trying to flank and stuff, but after treating it like overwatch where the game is super team reliant, I’ve been having so much for fun

[@ccherokee98]

Most I have been excited for PVP in a LONG time, no microtransactions is like music to my ears

[@devontyler2504]

I’ve had the opposite experience. The TDM mode felt the most fun but meanwhile the objective one is heavily focused on which team can sit behind cover on the objective and pick the other team off. At least in TDM I felt like I was able to get back in the action without running all the way across the map

[@BlastingBigLoads2]

I thought I was the only one who ever played Rhythm Thief lmao. Good music choice near the start

[@Shadow344_]

they should add a versus mode like {left 4 dead, back 4 blood and versus vermintide 2} in operations mode where you control xenos or chaos marines and go and kill astartes doing their operations

[@pizzatime4000]

6:44 13 years later

[@darkmaster9245]

I kinda like how the game didn’t release with chaos cosmetics. I’d want them personally down the line but at launch it would be a tough ask to have cosmetics exclusive to one game mode with a 50/50 chance of using

[@ohshiznitsongaming1227]

The beauty of the pvp is that every class is over powered! For instance the heavy you say is broken, gets hard countered by bulwark with his shield that blocks all damage and it is countered by vanguard

[@Handsomeguy-kj2jg]

Looking at gameplay I can tell the melee needs to be worked on a bit. Everyone just shoots even in hand to hand distance cause it’s more viable. All they need to do is either add a ton of recoil while get melee’d or interrupt shooting in general.

[@ottovonbismarck7094]

Capture and control is just Hardpoint from cod, and I love it

[@matthewdorsett1013]

Yes just needs more maps

[@droppingstreaks2095]

Combat record would be nice

[@DicepairGames]

I have a weird "theory": shooters with great single player modes usually have great multiplayer modes. I've seen this with Halo, Gears of War, The Last of Us, etc. If they have a good core, they only need to adapt it to multiplayer and that's it 😌. Hadn't been this excited for a new shooter and its multiplayer mode in a LONG time! Brings back Gears of War memories when in its prime 🥹.

[@silverharstem2221]

imperial fists power fist, shield, hammer etc death guard, poison knife, death heads, plague gun etc iron warrior chainsword autocannon etc list goes on

[@proggz39]

It’s pretty fun, can be pretty unbalanced at times, definitely needs some more maps and connectivity can be spotty with good internet

[@thisnachowrld]

I can say for my experience I love PVP I haven’t really got to finish the story nor have I got to play Operations because Im so addicted to PVP. Granted I know Story and Operations would be lit if I had others to play with but as far as the some of the things you addressed, FINALLY SOMEONE MENTIONED HOW THE ONE MAP HAS TOO MUCH FOG! Like bro turn this is down I can’t even see anyone everytime i go in there 😫🤣 and THE GRENADES WHY ARE THE GRENADES ONE SHOT, now don’t get me wrong capture and control is fun and so is annihilation but everytime i try to run annihilation my game slightly crashes so I only play Capture and Control also Seize Ground…I mostly run Seize Ground because it’s the only one I can really get to run and feel it’s I hope these two issues are fixed in the next upcoming patches/updates

[@sonnice1]

I like the pvp mode, needs work but fun though.

[@1234aq1]

I mean, Frag granades can actualy decimate a Space Marine in Kill Team, not getting started with a Melta shot form a Kasrkin in the face...

[@superhamsniper4487]

it was really fun for me too at the start but now it feels like experienced players are getting matched with less experienced players and then because of that it might end up being a bloodbath

[@ceruleannomad3922]

My only real pet peeve is the hook flying in that locks you in and the run toggle that pops you out of zoom. Fix those and it’ll be pretty damn good. But if I’m zoomed in shooting and accidentally push too hard I just stop shooting cause I activated the run toggle, gotta fix that.

[@joelgutierrez5177]

Ngl the Bulwark shield need some sort of debuff because if you shoot them by yourself you are screwed because it just bounces of the shield. Thasy opinion though.

[@cyrusmuller6502]

Should’ve made a battlefield style pvp with different t Gaye’s regiments that way you could have the space marines feel like space marines

[@codyschlenker6821]

They should have a juggernaut mode where one player is a custode.

[@HussainAl--Khalil]

Game gives me gears of war vibes & im not mad at it at all

[@silverharstem2221]

they should give each chapter what there good at like death guard poison etc

[@TheRealSoldatmesteren]

5:10 Space Marine power armor should lore-wise just have the paint scratched from a frag grenade.

[@Al-ix5qq]

the only thing I didn't like is when he said the pvp mode game prioritizes connection when you can't even have crossplay on it

[@BarakaTheGreat]

It has console crossplay. PC is left out which I hope changes in the future

[@AntonioDiaz]

😮 totally agree

[@haydenjones1822]

Only complaint I have is the map portion other than the pvp is a blast and fresh air

[@wackywarrior001]

As far as pvp goes it’s ok , honestly would of love to see something innovative like horde enemies on both sides and such . Just an added side mode, glad to have it for some change up

[@GiantEnemyCrabtree]

No crossplay and 3 man squad limit is killing it for my group. Such a bummer we can’t all play together when there’s at least 4 people on.

[@Masterbaiter1000]

This is reminds what racoon city COULD'VE been. Awesome lore. Awesome characters. Awesome enemies, bosses and wepaons.

[@koolaidman4630]

8/10 it's good, but there's alot of unbalanced unfinished aspects, shields have way too much damage, the grappel has a long ass stun, server issues are rampant

[@koolaidman4630]

Ttk is also longer than it should and enables squad jumping way too much

[@Sergio-th7os]

@@koolaidman4630ttk is perfect

[@adrianhazzard6665]

Just been playing the BO6 beta and I hate the short TTK. Great that this has a longer TTK. Pity about the lack of maps

[@Xenos118]

High TTK is so much better than low TTK. With high TTK u need better aim, headshots are more useful, gunplay needs more skill. Kills are more rewarding.

[@clintbustwood4800]

The return of the “slow shooter” ala Halo, Gears, etc.

[@boiboi4420]

Thank god, that bo6 beta is the smallest maps ever with everyone running around like crackheads

[@ElyArts]

Agreed. Some of us are too old for this drug induced sweat fest most games have anymore. Add on adult job/responsibilities and we”re tired!

[@pizzacat1239]

idk why this game kinda reminds me of old halos and how they feel to me someone who has never played them at their peak

[@barbaricbri]

Looks like gears of war, im in lol

[@lewisgarland1259]

Is it fun? yes! Is it "good" HELLO NO! Its low skill and pure cheese. vanguard gets free kills on CD. the heavy class shield is annoying and cheats you out of a win in a 1v1. The rampant cheating is in almost every match. Wall hacks are the most common, you will find that people will pre fire at you while coming around a corner. You can always see the cheaters because of how many kills to deaths as the skill kills are low because the game is basic AF. Kills lean heavily into your class ability. Its goofy fun but as PVP is competitive this state just will not work in the long run. Ill give pvp a score of 6/10

[@maskeddeno-0995]

The pvp is horribly unfinished nd feels like a last minute thing. My main issue is you die too fast nd are way to slow to react if not immediately looking at the enemy. It needs a radar to compensate

[@rayray9865]

Is it good? I wouldn’t say it’s the best out there currently but in terms of fun I could definitely say I’m having a lot of it and not just that I’m having the type of fun that makes me feel like I’m back in third generation of consuls era and saying that that might not be for everyone, but I could see this going both ways good or bad moving forward

[@HealthiestWellbeing]

I agree that PVP is both the least finished mode atm for Space Marine 2 but it get's the basic core fundamental of a PVP correct it is fun to play and the gun play feels solid even in PVP as it does in Story and Co-op. A few extra modes and maps will be great and an infected type game mode where players can play as Tyranids in the future would be super cool like in Halo but a few more maps and modes for now will be great first additions to the MP it has great potential and isn't just a tacked on mode.

[@xjider6423]

they should definitely add search & destroy game mode

[@EpicPour99]

only if it my party group could actually join my game

[@notbadforanoob8725]

No, it isn't good. Get higher standards.

[@Xenos118]

TTK seems high and headshots seems to be useful so the gunplay needs skill. It's very important for me.

[@ottovonbismarck7094]

The only thing I look at strangely is the bulwarks shield blocking ridiculous amounts of gunfire, I get lore and shit but balance matters

[@James-uv7zt]

just pre-empt grenades or accept the barrage.. this comes at a cost for the team because they can no longer disrupt your placements or create space etc.. i think the grnades are fine and the lore doesnt have to be applied

[@nischentanz]

I found PvP in this game so disappointing. > "support" class is absurd (ability is broken*) *You can't outplay your enemy in this game (except baiting bulwarks) so his ability gives tremendous eHP = bigger TTK => unfair advantage vs any other class >bulwark's shield is indestructable (zero punish for player's stupidity) so he cant just stand with block up for an eternity (extra broken if he has 1 teammate nearby) >sniper can shoot while in his ability (cringe) >random weapon spread and lack of impact while using it >unbalanced player distribution to teams. Every single game my team was lv2-5 playing vs lv11+ >playing solo is disguisting. 90% of time you'll have to deal with party of 2 (or more) people who will stick to eachother and you can't counter it. >weapon variety per class is level blocked

[@bountydoodles7791]

Saying any part of a game is weak is never good but sayin the multiplayer is weak in this day and age is crazy XD

[@robertrob3399]

L for not being able to use your pve character ..

[@mememmeme6274]

Definitely not a competitive pvp game but it is fun to just load in and play a few rounds

[@shibidibip]

If u played the game even if you not into the lore you should know that a space marine grenade isn't a normal sized grenade. It's more like a barrel of explosives for an normal sized human

[@MrNct98]

I only need team balance before and after every round. Being on the losing jsut because you joined a very noob team while the enemies are all +10 levels above you is not fun.

[@Classiccolin]

Ttk needs increasing

[@russellnindynine5905]

For guns yes

[@abneralicea3225]

Land your headshots

[@StrangeTICK32]

Seems like they kinda tacked this on. Can very much be fleshed out into something people love to play.

[@LandonMoore-y2h]

I thought you weren’t going to preorder the game😂 Average COD player in a nutshell🤡

[@fungusjoe5005]

Gotta make sacrifices for the content

[@Zanshinnn]

brokie

[@codkid2007]

@@Zanshinnnnah sum us jus don’t wanna play bs unfinished games. That’s legit bruh

[@cutie1427]

Its actually pretty fun. I play bulwark

[@JohnnyGobs]

It’s good but in desperate need of some balance tweaks. Not all classes are made equal in pvp

[@ghostdamost]

pvp is trash and it aint getting better. just stick to pve /co-op, give us space marines 3 and drop the battle passes. It's a fun game but they need to stop trying to make this a forever game by adding on a cheap pvp experience and 40$ battle passes. Like what? just make a new game and stop trying to milk us.

[@ionstriderZero]

@Trojan I have a question are you interested in recommending indie games or double AA games like Deep galactic Rock and Stone, Velum, Roboquest, ultrakill, Trepang2 and Hollow Knight? I hope you respond

[@charbones]

I cant even play cuz it crashes every 15 minutes

[@quadpictures]

I think it's great but because of that low FOV I just can't play it atm.

[@Xtermenator217]

I need this to be crossplay. All my friends are on pc and I’m on xbox

[@amarmunaev7939]

I wanted a marine that I can customise in to oblivion without any classes but instead you decide your class by equipping gear armour and everything else and maybe skills to unlock but thanks for this average as pvp

[@mint5438]

I don't think heavy is all that busted honestly. If you have at least one teammate (which you realistically should) his bubble isnt that strong, and by the time its brokent, two marines M1'ing the same target with no shield tends to be very effective. Also, grenades are only one shots if youre sitting on top of it from what ive experience. 9 times out of 10 in my cases, it does just shave their armor and a little bit of health. I've only ever gotten like 2 grenade kills since I've started playing lol

[@ergihazizaj390]

I want them to turn call of duty war-zone into space marine war zone id loose my mind if something like that came out or a space marine version of battlefield yea id pay 1,000’s of dollars for that

[@BlueLightningSky]

It looks like it has a high time to kill and it's not a battle royale and no dedicated healer so I'd say it's good so any issue I'd have with barriers or a class that's melee that will always be toxic or STEALTH can be tolerated. Is it worth playing? Check back in a few months when the servers are either dead or fully populated.

[@Valentineishere]

one of the only mutliplayers i have really enjoyed was : " the last of us ", so idk if i should get into this

[@sergeoh735]

simple, casual and easy is why its fun.

[@silverharstem2221]

are there dreadnaughts

[@Flort-ifcations]

My only gripe with pvp after playing it for a couple hours is the class balance. Vanguard's extremely long stun is incredibly obnoxious to deal with, Bulwark is too good at stalling points and basically requires a grenade or Assault ground pound to be dealt with quickly (good luck if they have 2 Bulwarks), and Heavy's shield should have it's radius slightly shrunken to make flanking them more effective. Also, this might be biased because Assault is my favourite, but his hover speed should be increased so he's less of a sitting duck in the air.

[@doomedgundam6684]

The Bulwark is underpowered in my Opinion. You can bypass his shield with a Heavy Attack. Grappling hook bypasses the shield, Thunder Slam also Bypass the shield. Grenades when close enough staggers and deals slight damage to them. There are so many ways to just bypass the shield for a class that's supposed to be tanky and will almost always die when trying to retreat. He has terrible rangers options as he's always stuck with a pistol and is either primarily flank or a support role.

[@aaronmoore4621]

I don’t think there will be space marine 3….. it’s more than likely they just update this game over and over again. Oh to be an ork in multiplayer would be the best

[@Dommm97]

Why is no one talking about 3 player max (friends) in a 6 player pvp? So frustrating

[@dandenno5101]

I disagree about nerfing the grenades

[@1andTheOnlyy]

To not have crossplsy on pc for pvp only is dumb. It’s not even a competitive / hardcore shooter to matter that much. Thinking of grabbing it now

[@ericoung4602]

the game needs a cover system nothing crazy just something

[@Ted4321]

The time to kill is wayy too long,they tried making it like cod but we have overwatch health pools

[@shneaky1433]

What does everyonet hink it the best class?

[@taurusj3748]

Honestly i enjoy the PVP much more than the PVE its just so refreshing to play such a simple game the gunplay is satisfying the only thing that drags it down is some small balance issues and the season pass dlc if you know you know

[@snowinouterspace1883]

Ain’t gonna lie pvp is not great but I like the customization. Besides that boring af tack on that I will definitely be playing with friends anyways

[@markojagar6658]

At least its better the bo6,i played bete for 2 days and i dont wanna play no more 😂 at least they save me some money,im thinking on buying this one i just nead a new shoter game 👏

[@Kriegsman1119]

im always top of the board but my team mates are always shit

[@Undertaker93]

Is that Fat Lip I hear in the backround?

[@ViewtifulJae]

Yes. Answer is yes.

[@jokanxu7308]

lmao if you don''t know the lore than just stay silent man. A fking regular las gun from a guardsman can penetrate the space marine armor if it is hit through the weak spots nvm a grenade at point blank. Tyranid warriors are also much more durable than a space marine in regular armor

[@grsy764]

Is it true the pvp and pve/campaign progression is totally separate?

[@theelusivememe1772]

If you unlock armor in pvp, it carries over to pve. The guns upgrades and class skill upgrades only unlock for pve cause there not used in pvp