Is Space Marine 2 Too Easy Now?

[@sjwhater]

no its not, its just more fun to play you get almost 2 shotted by any majoris enemies if they hit you lol

[@alexandernadeau3164]

Could take a level 1 Melta ride vanguard onto ruthless and do just fine now

[@delacroixii]

It is eeeasy

[@sjwhater]

@@alexandernadeau3164 i'd love to see you kill a neurothrope in ruthless with your level 1 melta 😂

[@ExtraAttack146]

@@sjwhater that is completely doable it just takes longer. neurothorpe is probably the easiest boss

[@sjwhater]

@@ExtraAttack146 yes it is easier than double flying little bugs xD i know its doable thats why i want to see it myself. I would not waste my time trying to prove some pointless bs by going it with level 1 arsenal

[@DanielFerreira-mh2hd]

The game was difficult af, now is manageable. Now is more fun to play.

[@leesaggers6509]

It is easier but its also harder as all the terrible players jumped up a few difficulties randoms just fall over on ruthless as they dont parry

[@davidgannon-g4t]

carrying is actually good training if u wanna improve

[@jtasgl88]

"Lol bro sorry I went down again" - Me in every ruthless match. I've since switched to substantial

[@oneringtorule2032]

@@leesaggers6509 yeah it’s become a game of carrying people for me. So I get my revenge by jumping down to the first level and wiping the board.

[@Glorybast84]

I'm so annoyed when I get kicked and Im walking around with purple weapons even if I'm only level 10 I'm still 25 with my 3 other characters, and I parry perfect most of the time unless one of the other players gets the whole zone pulled because he doesn't have any sense of awareness.. I can't count how many times I've saved a random retards, not even level 25 at ruthless playing like he is 25 with relic weapons when he clearly doesn't but I do let people get a chance and if they walk around picking up everything not taking other players into account since they are boosting them and they are there on the 2 other players grace I do a kickvote but not before the game starts. There are so many players that have played almost all the classes and have 1-2 left and just wanna be done with that and the weapons leveling so give people a break

[@novaDF6871]

its fun now. gotta remember 90% of the player base is not "hardcore" so the devs need the game to be fun not hard. the amount of damage we took pre patch was not correct. BUT a harder difficulty is welcomed to the self proclaimed "hardcore" players on an already easy game even pre patched lol. if yall want hardcore go play super mario bro on nes without dying once first clear then we can talk lol. maybe lethal level (coming soon enough) will have a good challenge for most. without taking the fun out of it.

[@delacroixii]

The amount of lol in your comment is something a casual noob will only do

[@novaDF6871]

@@delacroixii bruv i have everything in the game plus solo the easy maps on ruthless difficulty.. the level of your feelings hurt says to me how butt hurt you are about my comment "lol"

[@novaDF6871]

pre patched

[@leshiper]

@@delacroixii Virgin vibes.

[@keivonmayes4907]

Why are people complaining I just want to get off work and have fun playing the game not sweating my ass off to finish one 30 minute operation

[@berserker_2886]

As someone new to the series but not new to these types of games, I dont think so, the difficulty curve from the easiest to second easiest difficulty is actually steeper than I had expected, I havent even tried the harder 2 yet

[@oneringtorule2032]

@@berserker_2886 I would recommend sticking with one weapon, learning how to parry both indicated attacks(the blue ones) and attacks that aren’t indicated (which you can also parry if you learn your weapons timing). Second, I would recommend using a “fencing style” weapon. Thirdly, learn to use the pistol when that red crosshair pops up, and sprint before a weapon strike to ensure 1 enemy goes down so you can replenish some lost armor with a pistol strike. If you learn in this way, you’ll be completing ruthless in no time. It’s all about managing your armor:)

[@berserker_2886]

@@oneringtorule2032 my problem seemed to be getting swarmed or attacked from behind, not had much time to play this last week or two worked 12 days straight have to play a bit this weekend and reacquaint myself

[@oneringtorule2032]

@@berserker_2886 keep in mind that between strikes you can change direction of attack. I’m not judging, just letting ya know

[@berserker_2886]

@@oneringtorule2032 will do mate, not had all that much time to get used to the engine compared to some of the other games I usually play, definitely try the fencing one, I think using the bulwark the parry window timing feels different to some of the other classes

[@oneringtorule2032]

@@berserker_2886 you’re right about the bulwark, but then again every weapon is different

[@ryanSLF]

As someone who can complete operations on Ruthless solo, this game is in a fine place.

[@oneringtorule2032]

@@ryanSLF the only problem is that, if you can do that, when you play with real players, the game suddenly feels boring. Learn to headshot and parry, and you’ll have no problems clearing the harder difficulties ya know?

[@davidgannon-g4t]

it flows better less minutes wasted spamming dodge roll to survive a swarm when things turn south. Honestly if there where fast loading times and zero connectivity issues id probably play more recklessly. The consequence of dying means waiting for 5 mins plus to restart which is pure torture for impatient folks like me.

[@BastiatC]

You are playing as a bioengineer superwarrior built by a god to conquer the galaxy in 200 years, and then improved upon.

[@oneringtorule2032]

You’re also fighting some insanely powerful enemies in kind. A lictor, in lore, can easily kill an SM. If they change this game to be too easy, the fans of the franchise will leave, and then you non-Grimdark-fans will leave too, having destroyed something that so perfectly encapsulates this universe, into something too damn easy.

[@Zed88a]

Is easy for melta users inferno only farmer, if u try something out the meta is challenging on rutheless

[@dunadan7136]

I do this all the time and the game is still too easy You can now nearly brainlessly spam chainsword as vanguard now, 3 light strikes then double stomp and practically no minoris enemy can ever touch you Sniper also makes the game pretty easy when fully upgraded, just don’t have skill issue and keep landing headshots

[@Zed88a]

@@dunadan7136 actually sniper need alot ALOT of skill to stay alive and no u cannot spam chainsword on rutheless unless you have two babysitters who kill the elites covering your back and are there just to entertain you, you're just saying fake things stop watching YT plz, there's tons of vids like this They all make the same exact video about everything and 99 percent of them don't even know what they're talking about.

[@dunadan7136]

@@Zed88a If by "need ALOT of skill to stay alive" for Sniper you mean "clicking heads with a very powerful hitscan weapon (making it very easy to use) and spamming cloak", yeah sure, Sniper needs "a lot of skill". Clicking heads consistently to spam cloak really isn't very hard to do with the Las Fusil and the Las Fusil with the right perks can give you back an insane amount of health. I smell skill issue with this comment. The only drawback of Sniper is ammo which can usually be fixed by just being fast and being smart with your Las Fusil shots. Chainsword spam is somewhat less viable on Chaos but you absolutely can do this on Tyranid levels because Tyranid Majoris enemies generally don't teleport all over the place and they keep attacking you with melee attacks, making them very vulnerable to Gun Strikes. Which are very easy to pull off with Vanguard because of the huge parry windows. Again I smell skill issue with this comment.

[@Zed88a]

@@dunadan7136 Writing a lot doesn't make your speech any less ridiculous, you comment on yourself, you're basically the one just mentioned in the first comment, a inferno mission spammer and without two babysitters u wouldn't even take half a step without dying badly, kindly stop making yourself ridiculous again and stop letting YT influence you, '' skill issue'' i's the phrase of someone who has lost an argument and wants to get out of it without making a fool of themselves, at least learn this

[@dunadan7136]

@@Zed88a If you can't consistently land headshots with the Las Fusil, consider playing Tetris instead of SM2

[@zaneflynt2268]

I agree that it is muuuuch easier, but not necessarily in a bad way. I would like some tweaks to any future difficulties to add a bit more danger, but as is, I like it.

[@FirstTourGuardsman]

This is where I'm at, I like the armor changes and I think making lethal difficulty focused around the new additions to armor recovery+new enemies they will add could be amazing. Damage on enemies is pretty forgiving atm, but that's fine because before I think it was a little overtuned especially if you were playing melee classes.

[@brandoozy4595]

They can just add another difficulty if its such a problem

[@dallaire876]

thats...what they're doing bro

[@cuppedcup]

​@@dallaire876 Smartest SM2 complainer

[@oneringtorule2032]

What is the point of having LOWER DIFFICULTIES then. Are you going to complain about the new difficulty til they nerf it again? Come on! Learn to play the damn game.

[@ZzVinniezZ]

proceed to see people get down if they surrounded by 3 majoris....yeah no

[@chrisj1265]

Honestly a 5th difficulty wouldn’t be bad but they’d have to really balance it right to make it more dependent on mastering the mechanics of the game rather than meta building

[@FLOYD-MAYWEATHER-TBE]

The only thing I don’t like in the game is the health and armour system always squishy, am all for making the game harder but making your health and armour more weak is a cheap way of making a game harder, ad more hoards if needed but don’t make a health system based of feeling like a glass cannon.

[@petercook438]

I think overall the game is in a better state. It always felt kinda weird that your ceramite armor was about as durable as paper machete. Chaos was super overtuned pre-patch but is now much more enjoyable. I agree that maybe they overdid the nerfs a little bit, but as an assault main I vastly prefer chaos now than pre-patch. Even with the nerfs, assault can still struggle against them, it’s just that it doesn’t feel like complete bs anymore. The game is still not a walk in the park on ruthless especially when playing with randoms with no mic. Things can and do still go horribly wrong. I think all of the gIt GuD sKiLl IsSuE types will stop complaining once lethal drops.

[@oneringtorule2032]

As a “get good” type, if they do make a good difficulty, I require a new currency and new armor sets for completing those missions on the new difficulty. If you’re not good enough, you should not be rewarded for them. It was beatable before and it is more so now. I hope they reward the players who are willing to learn their game. If you can’t solo ruthless, there are LOWER DIFFICULTIES for YOU!

[@petercook438]

I absolutely agree with you on the higher tier weapons and armor for lethal difficulty. Players should be rewarded accordingly for their mastery of the game that I hope lethal will require. But I stand by the idea that chaos was overtuned at launch and is overall in a better place. However as I’ve had more time to play around with the patch I definitely think they got a bit too nerfed. With all the damage reductions I think that also reducing the numbers of tzangors and traitor guardsmen was a bit much. What I hope to see balancing wise is an increase in the numbers of enemies we face (especially in lethal) alongside a major damage increase for melee and the various bolt rifles to bring them up to par with some of the better weapons. Then going forward, I’d like to the devs to focus on buffing weapons/classes with a combo of number increases and quite frankly some sorely needed reworks to the perks for many weapons and classes. One final note too is that I beat every operation on ruthless pre-patch and have every class besides sniper and vanguard maxed. I’ve also as of now beaten the hive tyrant solo on ruthless as assault, though that was post-patch so feel free to give credit/discredit to that as you see fit. I’m by no means some god-tier player but I do have quite a bit of experience with the game at this point. More often than not I’m the one who has to carry when things go wrong but I also make plenty of mistakes too. I just wanna see the game thrive and be the best that it can be!

[@oneringtorule2032]

@@petercook438 I can get behind all these suggestions as long as they don’t erase the need for skill. Too many players don’t understand that the primary way to stay alive is to get those pistol kills when the red crosshair comes up, and to make those opportunities happen, as well as not just killing the executable enemy with a normal attack. The ARMOR is the improtant thing to manage in this game. If you can learn to do that, you will be able to survive. Also many people don’t know you can parry enemies without the blue indicator. This is also essential in survivability especially on higher difficulties. Many people don’t seem to understand that you change change the direction of your attack mid-combo, and get rid of some of the chafe eating away your health, then likely take a shot at a downed one when the red indicator pops up. I think this game failed in its tutorials. Too many people were too confused about pretty intuitive stuff, but that was because the game didn’t really REQUIRE that you showcase the basic survival skills before you play. It sort of gives you a walkthrough but it’s not easy to grasp the first time around. I worry that they will make it into a walking simulator with bolters and swords for the people unwilling to learn the mechanics of the game. I am a HIGE warhammer40k fan and I love this game too, that’s why I’m so worried about it becoming…I dunno easy with a low skill ceiling. If you know anything about 40k you know that the universe it’s set in, is the worst and most unforgiving of any others, really, in its sheer cold violence and lack of humanity. It is part of the draw for people to want to struggle against impossible odds. I don’t want them to ruin the experience that I’m having now, for people who aren’t fans of the universe by making it too inaccurate and too easy. Call it gatekeeping or whatever, but I like the other side of the gate, and don’t want people who never did a hard thing to ruin it for people who thrive on the intensity of a victory that you win by the skin of your teeth (not every time, but I like it to feel that way sometimes)

[@petercook438]

@@oneringtorule2032 I agree with virtually everything you said here. My issue was with people who would label any and all criticism of the difficulty without actually listening as “skill issue,” regardless if that was the case or not. I’m super excited for lethal to come out and I hope that it is nothing short of brutal. I’ve never been a mega fan of 40k but I’ve been aware of it as a setting. I’ve known who the factions are and what their goals are, what chaos is and how it came to be. But if you asked me what space marine #2937 did on x planet in y book I couldn’t tell you. Although that might change because by goodness has space marine 2 given me a 40k itch. I’ve been diving into some of the more in depth lore and one of my buddies and I have even talked about slowly starting to collect models so that we could eventually play the actual tabletop game. I’ve been watching battle reports but I’d kill to actually get to play in person. It seems right up my ally.

[@dunadan7136]

@@petercook438 A lot of the bolt weapons are really not that bad. Some are actually really good. Good examples of this are the Heavy Bolter and the Stalker Bolt Rifle. Even the normal Bolt Rifle is actually pretty great against Chaos minoris enemies because of how they line up and how you can one headshot kill Tzaangors with just the humble Bolt Rifle. Heavy Bolter when used correctly allows you to be a walking turret. Stalker Bolt Rifle is an excellent DMR that offers overall better ammo efficiency and close combat performance for Sniper and a pretty powerful mid-long range option for Tactical.

[@Glorybast84]

What other games have you played to become this good at the game where you reached the level you could solo all the maps with all classes? Or is it just the dodge and parry you got down to perfection? Because I see you using it all time even tho you sometimes get pretty low. Have any other game given you any better profiency in this game? And for a final question. If you fight any majoris enemy and upwards. Will they ALWAYS signal orange before the attack even when there are multiple mobs around you and they attack at the same time. So you will know that unless the orange marker doesn't come up you know you can parry the attack if that is in your favor at that moment. Like on bosses since you will run out of ammo before killing a hellbrute unless ur near an ammo box and there are other enemies around that can attack you while you are in melee with the brute. Will it always show orange markers even if there will be multiple orange markers unless you can block it?

[@nanobigboss5802]

Definitely not more casual. I would say it's very skill dependent when playing solo. I see your videos and can't replicate what you do. I still get my ass handed to me on ruthless from time to time. Especially when I get surrounded. So definitely some improvement on my end but at least it's a little more manageable now were before I couldn't improve solo with the enemy damage output.

[@IssaMerk]

Yes, it’s to easy now. If you were bitching prior to the update, go to a different game. It’s called Ruthless for a reason. I just hope we get the OG difficulty back, I leveled literally EVERY marine playing on Ruthless, prior to the update, now, it’s SO easy to get through the mission is easy asf. Assault now can solo everything & it’s wild.

[@Olivotec]

youre basically the one space marine 2 channel i keep watching. Very good understand of the game, plays assault like a god! Please don't stop playing assault, its my main simply cuz of the jetpack, i'll probably don't lvl other classes untill i get all 3 weapons to max lol

[@davidgannon-g4t]

Have you seen him play heavy?

[@Ebb0Productions]

I don't care if it's too easy because there's a new difficulty on the way anyway. Lets not get upset when there's a solution on the way :)

[@l-shadow1775]

Its only easy when you're playing with friends or good randoms and not solo with bots on substantial and ruthless

[@lrakwons9799]

So it went from fun squad game that required combined tactics. To a game I have to play alone in order to have fun/a challenge? Sounds like a great time

[@chillpilled9299]

Im predicting it now sweats are going to kill this game so fast its not even funny. Especially if the devs keep listening to them

[@lioncross1849]

Have you leveled all the classes yet?

[@aramjudge5]

The people who came from bg3 think its hard, or balanced. The people who have played shooters think its easy.

[@Pepitossj4]

Yes

[@Ognjen19]

Easy 4 days every day for 2 hours cant kill imurath on Veteran , its not easy, but its fun

[@RoyHobbs-f4v]

... while this is a game intended to appeal to an incredibly wide-swath of players... the highest-difficulty needs to be scaled upward, considerably.

[@herosupport1606]

higher difficulty is coming soon. also hoard mode.

[@ponywaves5867]

@@herosupport1606 you mean pre parch ruthless

[@herosupport1606]

I think they should revisit their game design philosophy; the Dance of death is something I can 100% back but the less than a bar and out of ammo barely finished the mission part needs reconsidering. sure, it should be that hard if it's going to be the highest difficulty however it needs to be difficult in another way they sold the game on the swarm engine, so it's got to be the quantity of enemies not the quality or the hp sponges and massive damage it was before.

[@shmekelfreckles8157]

Chaos nerfs are welcomed but I still have a problem with shielded tzaangors who can tank seemingly anything.

[@curtisbrockman2682]

What the eff are you talking about? There's plenty of challenge. There are plenty of systems to master. Perfect dodge, perfect parry, knowing when to gunstrike, etc. If you think the game is easy, you really have a skewed opinion. The game isn't, and the evidence is in the pudding. The player base has a pretty good bell curve with this patch. Game too easy? I won't tell you to use white weapons. Go use block ones. In fact, play bulwark solo on ruthless with the relic power sword with block.

[@johndoe-sh6bi]

its not that the game overall is too easy. Its that the hardest difficulty is way to easy for the hardest difficulty. If people want the game easier, then pick a lower difficulty

[@davidgannon-g4t]

tote want more challenge? Use beginner weapons, or block weapons, or carry pugs, use the "weaker" weapons which can actually surprise you sometimes (maybe not as weak as i thought). I do find that there are times when game just conveniently fails to process a hit or a bunch of hits on a majoris. This can cause ammo issues and time consumption as you literally spend 2 minutes landing more than 50 clean hits on 1 enemy saying fall fall fall. Itsa great game but it could use a tune up or 2.

[@ExtraAttack146]

Lol this guy is one of the most skilled players in the entire game and you think block weapons would be hard for him? After This Patch? that's funny

[@curtisbrockman2682]

@@ExtraAttack146 No, but I do think they'd be considerably more challenging. Because it no longer auto-kills minoris when you parry their non-blue indicator attacks. Nothing I say will convince you, I guess? But its pretty clear that there is a large amount of people who still think ruthless is challenging. If you want a harder game, they're out there. If this was the last balance patch the game got, I wouldn't be unhappy.

[@curtisbrockman2682]

@@johndoe-sh6bi Rofl. They do. The hardest difficulty is still challenging to most. If it super easy for you, good for you. Have a cookie.

[@shukohs]

im kind of sad because i didnt get to play ruthless solo before they made it easy

[@danielhoward9729]

THANK YOU! YOU KNOW MY PAIN!

[@lowfpsman]

less enemies SUCKS.

[@TheNikonem]

Problem isnt the armor or any other change sept the nerf in numbers on enemys and theyr dmg nerfs .

[@CalebO-l6c]

Game is easy now i took a lvl 1 tac no melta and ran through ruthless to max him out played every operation solo and if you take out the summoner's adds will ALMOST NEVER spawn unless its a massive enemy wave OBJ ops are a cake walk if you take care of the summoner's waiting for the new difficulty mode game (will say gane is a lot more fun though)

[@AlwaysTiredBruh-__-]

Ehh a little bit I beat a couple ruthless runs by myself (Vanguard No Melta)

[@Icytouched1337]

Chaos operations are a real fucking snoozefest

[@genebcolon]

no. just switch your preference. sounds to me you want clicks on this,post.

[@marcelo7431]

it is to easy now i miss being surounded buy all the enamys just to some how make it out alive by gun strikes and finechers like it gives me a ruch