Is Spider-Man 2 (2023) Better Than The Original?

[@willh2690]

Peer doesn't retire at the end. He just takes a small break which with Miles taking over the day-to-day spider-maning. He is back in the suit by the post game.

[@Paulinho_66]

I don’t think the post game is canon. All side missions and other content is canon before endgame Maybe we’ll have miles exclusive dlc and get peter later

[@ceeb420]

​@@Paulinho_66The only mission that's really post-game is that one last Emily-May Foundation quest in Peter's garage lol

[@Paulinho_66]

exactly. Like the first game, yuri says that 'there are still prison convicteds and sable out there' but they all feel out of place.. to have sable outposts in town post doc ock battle because weeks had passed@@ceeb420

[@Paulinho_66]

also with spiderman 2, why hunters would still be in the city after kraven dies?@@ceeb420

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

Post-game is just a sandbox. Peter is defacto retired and Spider-Man may well involve Miles teaching his step-sister Cindy Moon (Silk) to use her powers. Edit: this game cucked him to fuck. Insomniac will definitely aim to sideline him again. Even if he does appear, he'll play second fiddle to both Miles and Cindy. Marvel has basically hated Peter for years at this point. Edit 2: the writers have confirmed in an article with Gizmodo that Miles is the main Spider-Man moving forward for the sequel

[@WH250398]

For me it's tough to say. The first one has a much better story in my opinion, but the second one I'd say has better gameplay and bossfights. The surprise factor of course also isn't really there, because it's a sequel.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

I agree. The first game's story was a pretty cool and original take. Spider-Man 2 feels full of fan service by using Sandman, Venom, and Harry, but also suffers from Spider-Man 3 Syndrome by rushing the whole thing and not giving proper justice to any aspect of those story beats.

[@MegaOverclocked]

I don't remember much of the boss fights from and perhaps that can be seen as a detriment, but I hate that all the bosses in 2 pretty much play the exact same. Of the two bosses I remember from the first, Shocker and Doc Oc, they were both unique and asked a bit out of the player. All the bosses in 2 are essentially a game of patty cake where you parry all their attacks except when you can't. That itself wouldn't be so bad but bosses only have 1 or 2 strings which lead the battle to get repetitive before you even finish their first health bar.

[@DeterminedTorres]

It’s like RGG Studio with Judgment and Lost Judgment, where the first game had a story that ties it all up while the second game had better gameplay.

[@larrylasting2820]

​​@@MegaOverclockedthe boss fights in the first game are easy af you just swing around wait for opening attack they were a joke what are you even talking about

[@A_mir0_0]

I disagree I don’t like spiderman1 story

[@russellchan845]

I also felt like when compared the original Spider-Man 1 had a story that immersed you deeply into the characters involved. I feel like things move so fast in spiderman 2 that the payoff don't hit nearly as hard. I hate to say this left me dissatisfied especially since so much work went into improving aspects of the game. But I think you hit the nail on the head.

[@The-Legend-of-P]

I think everyone played the game a little to fast. Not a big issue, but also pacing is an issue. Since everything moves SOO fast in this game, and since everyone played the game really quickly, it just moves even faster than maybe intended. I do believe there should be more side missions and more story missions not involved w/ the main story. Like random villains or stuff like that. And since there isn’t, everything just moves from plot point to plot point quick af

[@LemonAviation]

it didnt move so fast for me, they took their sweet time with the symbiote, and this has a better story

[@The-Legend-of-P]

@@LemonAviation the symbiote was good for Peter but was only on him for a day??? It was also a weird jump to edgy Peter to quickly from his usual stupidly hopeful personality. I wish Harry was Harry for longer besides doing nothing in act 2 and then just becoming venom once Peter took the symbiote off. It was only a few missions and venom didn’t feel like 1 character and motivations were odd. Maybe it was fast cause it was only venom and not any of the sinister 6 like last game? Idk and venom was only a few missions too

[@LemonAviation]

@@The-Legend-of-P it wasnt on him for a day..and we got to play as venom! Why would you want more of Harry..?? How tf they gonna start act 3 then!

[@The-Legend-of-P]

@@LemonAviation more of Harry meaning like more time to show Harry with miles more than that one cutscene and just more time with Harry and Peter after symbiote Peter BUT before venom. Like have Peter try and fix the relationship but Harry wants none of it or something and then teams up with kraven to get the symbiote from Peter? Just spitballing lmao but like more time for Harry to be harry, him being mad is understandable. But it’s weird how fast Harry just became venom

[@deadpoolrockz6410]

The biggest thing with Spider-Man 2 right now is that it doesn't have a good post game in comparison to Spider-Man Ps4 (which had all the enemy bases) and Spider-Man Miles Morales (which had total control over the crime activity). I'm expecting future updates may reintegrate these features down the line, a New game plus (which was something added later in the previous games after their releases), and DLC that can cover maybe both the Chameleon and Carnage subplots.

[@cameron6085]

This is my main complaint. They’re adding new game plus which fixes this a bit but I’ve done everything except for a few Emily may missions and I’m just swinging around and stopping random crimes. Great side content but not a lot. So it’s in desperate need of DLC to really push that post game.

[@Paulinho_66]

Yeah, the game lacks content thats for sure. I think they were with miles morales in mind and not spider man 1 when doing the content for that game lol Just one set of goons and bases is really a shame. You have all those new cool symbiote skills just to punch hunters? They had to keep the simbiots alive, which is very off the canon because they should all die (including the nests) to give us another enemies to fight post game But then even after killing all nests they still remain on game But for me the biggest problem is that the story is too short The first act is too long (in a first moment i DON’T THINK it is long, it is perfectly paced introducing harry agent venom and the hunters) but if you are giving us 15 missions of first act then give us at least more 30 missions in the game! We barely had the symbiote for 9 missions then lose it.. ok agent venom gives us the skills back but not bully lowenthal

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

I just hope that the DLCs now take place in the same map as the main game.

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

I just hope that the DLCs now take place in the same map as the main game.

[@prod.gregupnext2958]

Didn’t the batman games come with new game plus because Spider man 2 was so short to me but it was fun

[@hot-_-fries1254]

I feel like kraven was pretty fleshed out, the talon missions and hunter bases give you insight about all of kravens family hunting him because they want his position, come to find out they all died trying to kill him or killed each other, he was a man who was tired and sick, and wanted a quick death to a worthy opponent, I kinda felt sorry for him because it highlights the realism of death and the things it can do to a person.

[@Jayzengames]

Not really.

[@hot-_-fries1254]

@ great counter point🔥🔥🔥

[@Keitto191]

I’d say the gameplay is definitely better, but the story didn’t hit as hard as the first game. Except for the Black Suit/Symbiote suit parts, that was freakin awesome! I also did like the wholesome moments like Spiderman sitting on the bench with the old man, or his pigeon buddy from the first game. Also the Harlem museum and the carnival were cool (sure i wouldn’t want the whole game to be like that, but i did like it a little.)

[@metalgast00]

RIP pidgin man

[@carlpacquing2575]

I felt that Spider-Man 2 had the best side missions in any video game, especially a super-hero game. Every one felt like care was put into it, and had a great payoff.

[@Keitto191]

@@carlpacquing2575 agreed! The Side stuff was fun, especially the Hunter bases; i hope we get more like them in DLC, plus the ability to replay main/side missions. It’s a shame there was so much politics in this game, could have very well earned Game of the Year otherwise.

[@macaronipotato]

@@carlpacquing2575Strongly agree. Hunter bases, Sandman crystals, and so many other side missions were so engaging and intriguing. And of course, very emotional. Howard’s death really got me.

[@LordDeathAku]

I can only dream of how exciting and scarier it would be if the old peter model got the symbiote. The new one was menacing but the old face model would've been something else. He seems more serious. I think pc modders will do this in the future

[@The-Legend-of-P]

I think old peters face we to chubby

[@nikmar77]

The new model has more of 'bad boy' vibe which kind of fits him, although doesn't fit Peter overall. It definitely would have been a lot better since it was also more expressive. His eyes were so realistic, this one's eyes don't express anything at all which is why he looks so unnatural.

[@joshberninger8355]

Story wise first game I feel was better. Kraven was done extremely well in 2 but black suit Peter and Venom both felt rushed. The first game had a lot more emotion as well. However, the gameplay was much better in SM 2.

[@marcusgehrmann4893]

In my opinion gameplay wise its way better but storywise I much prefer the first game. The second game's story never hit as hard as the first game did with Otto's downfall and May's death. Harry's (almost) death didn't have anywhere near as much as an impact for me and I think that might be because of the amount of things this game has going on. Because the first game had less going on, it had more time to flesh out the characters and really made me feel for them more. The villains in Spider-man 2 were just weaker in my opinion. Kraven was boring unlike Mr Negative who was a fresh villain most spider-man fans were unaware of. Kraven doesn't have any personal connection to Spider-man which in my opinion makes the conflict less interesting while Mr Negative works with Aunt May which makes that story way more personal and therefore way more interesting for me. Even thoughTony Todd's performance as venom was so fucking good, I wasn't anywhere near as invested in where the story was going with him as I was with Doctor Octopus as I think there was more time spent on developing Peter's relationship with Otto as there was with Peter's relationship with Harry. Despite this there is still plenty of stuff with the second game I prefer to the first game. Like I loved how the second game explored Miles' anger at Li for taking his dad from him and actually explored this in a good amount of depth. They then let Miles come to know Li and start to understand his pain and even though Miles never forgives Li he lets go of his hatred and this whole arc is just done incredibly well. Not only does Miles let go of his hatred but he makes Li a better person. This is exactly the type of thing spider-man would do and it just shows how well the writers actually understand the character of spider-man. Both games highlight the sacrifices that come with being spider-man and although I think the first game does this better, I still think both of them definitely have their merits

[@JonTheJedi]

Kraven’s depth comes from the fact that he wants to die on his feet to a true challenger, very Spartan like. Is it as impactful as him having a personal tie with Peter? No of course not, but not ever villain needs to. I like that all of Kraven’s motivations are all personal to himself and really tragic in a way. While I didn’t agree with his villainy I think it’s understandable as human beings to want to go out on our own terms. Plus I like how each villain had different motivations. Li and Doc Oc both just wanted Norman to pay, for different reasons sure, but same motivation none the less.

[@spider-man500]

I agree with everything but Kraven I think Kraven was awesome BECAUSE he had no ties to Peter. You had to work to understand his motivations, just to find out he's a fucking psycho. He is actually purely bad. No sympathy at all. We need villains who are just bad. And he actually got what he wanted: A glorious death I definitely agree with Venom as Harry. I like Harry, but his fall was knowhere as impactful as Otto. Also, Harry as Venom is a huge mistake to me. Apart of Venom's character is that they both hate Peter. Eddie for having his career ruined by Peter, and Venom being like an angry EX who wants to get revenge for being dumped. They have a reason to team up Also the Symbiote Invasion was stupid, something like that should NOT be crammed into a third act. It needs whole game focus. Miles' arc with Lee was good, but that's it. The rest of his story sucks. And just takes away the time we could be adding more into Peter's Symbiote Arc. And I think the biggest waste is Peter's Symbiote Arc. It was nor onlt rushed, but according to the game only lasted for a few days? REALLY?! He should of had the Symbiote for 70-80% of the story. A longer story as well(Story was too short in my opinion) I'm just gonna say it, if they wanted to "Reinvent" Venom as they said, then they should of made Peter Venom Like you said about Otto being the main person to "Fall" in the first game, I think despite Harry being painted as the main one, Peter's Fall was the better of the 2. What if they made the entire story focus on Peter's Fall, and he does fall so hard he becomes Venom, turning from the lead protagonist into the lead antagonist of the game. They can aline that with Miles, but with Miles put all the focus on his revenge Arc instead of the boring filler that came with it. And instead of making Harry the villain, make him the moral compass like May was. Where despite his sickness, he would rather die saying goodbye and being the one to "save" Peter, than be a Symbiote monster

[@JonTheJedi]

@@spider-man500 idk man I thought it was good. I disagree about Peter having the symbiote for 70-80% of the game, that would be way too much. Just my opinion. I’m sorry I’ve let ya down there bud.

[@systemofadown945]

Straight up gameplay is better but story is weaker

[@Victor_Aviet]

@@spider-man500nah idk about peter being venom but i agree on everything else and the story could of done things like the symbiote invasion better if the game was just longer.

[@hisshoes1107]

One thing I love about this game, the Symbiote didn’t seem to have any negative effects before bonding with Peter. I don’t know if there’s much actual evidence for this, but it’s my headcannon that Venom wouldn’t of happened without Peter taking the Symbiote and bonding so much with it.

[@joaoaugustocostafigueiredo]

Yes, in the comics the symbionte gets evil after being rejected by Peter

[@coatrak1357]

Well yeah I mean it is true

[@bruno_toxic7631]

I think it is better. It’s the perfect example of innovating where it counts and building from what you have already had in the first game. Just like with the Arkham games, they built on what was already there. New combat moves, the prototype weapons and new swinging shit plus obviously better graphics and more boss fights and a more complex story. Not to mention the character swapping mechanics and the new fast travel system. Upgrades where it counts

[@KingDEdits]

I know Peter didn’t retire but I’m a bit worried he won’t be playable for a while after this as the Avengers are canon to the insomniac universe but they haven’t helped at all and while it’s explained in the first game I don’t think they’d be gone for almost 2 years so they might give him the same treatment.

[@The-Legend-of-P]

Miles will be in MM2 if they make it, and Peter will be pack in SM3

[@mangojuice-le2fn]

the first one is so much better than the second there's just something better about swinging around in the first game and its not there in the second and not to mention the face models

[@deathbysloth]

I actually liked that the big bosses had several health bars. It made them feel more epic than the last games, but it saves after each one so it wasn't too frustrating to die.

[@iamyodaddy4143]

Things that are better in Spider-Man 1 then 2 1. Sound fx 2. Music 3. Gadget wheel 4. Suit powers

[@TheFluffySpaz]

Glad to see I'm not alone with my thoughts on the story. First game had an amazing story and the otto/aunt may twists were so good

[@ant2901]

The first one is still the DEFINITIVE Spider-Man experience

[@ant2901]

Plus it has the impact webs

[@christopherjones5827]

Exactly. It was just about a master Piece.

[@MrMgkman13]

The gameplay, fluidity, being able to be both Peter and Miles, and the fact that the game focuses on the Symbiotes (my favorite comic book concept) all are things I think this game does better than the others. I do think the first game had an overall better story that hit me more emotionally than 2 did. 2 was close but the story for 1 is still my favorite.

[@PufflePufflePuffle]

Tbh the 2018 story is just better, more personal and executes it’s plot twists better. Not saying SM 2 is bad, it’s a better game overall, just the story missed the mark, specifically in act 3 but other then that it’s my favourite game of all time. Gameplay, graphics and map are all very good and it deserves GoTY and I’m excited for Carnage(?) DLC.

[@sketchyecchiakechi]

My biggest issue with the story is that the first act is a little too long and drawn out compared to the second and third. It feels like we didn't get nearly enough Bully Lowenthal and maybe one more mission playing as Venom and a few more missions of screentime with him would've been nice. It all came and went pretty quickly IMO.

[@PufflePufflePuffle]

@@sketchyecchiakechi Symbiote city should’ve lasted longer or be toggleble after endgame

[@Heisen_burger-dude]

​@@sketchyecchiakechiu are the kind of people to complain about a game being stretched out but when a game doesn't do that you start complaining about it being too short. Wtf

[@RuteFernandes-qs6pc]

@@Heisen_burger-dude It's almost like extremes are never good regardless of the direction it's going. Crazy concept, I know 🗿

[@The-Legend-of-P]

@@sketchyecchiakechithe second act shoulda been a little longer. Have lizard be a bigger threat for a while and have that be a hunt for lizard. Not really an instant find. And I think everyone played the game to fast. Yeah pacing is an issue, but when everyone beats a game in a a few days, or a week or two, then pacing will be a lot faster cause the person beat the game pretty fast

[@Sakiiboo]

The more I think about it Spider Man's 1 story is better overall because the characters were more developed. Of course we know who Harry is, but we don't know Insomniac Harry that well. There wasn't enough development with him to make me care. Tbh it developed MJ more than it did Harry when MJ is pretty developed already. But they did well considering they had to balance out two stories in the same game. The symbiote arc was my favorite but it felt just a bit too short.

[@hazelcrisp]

There a complete dissonance. I'm not a big Spidey fan so I don't really know who Harry was. He's just Peter's and MJ's friend from way back. I don't really know what the three of them have been through together. And the game doesn't do a good job at establishing their bond. So when the cast gets sad about Harry's health... I found myself not caring because I personally don't care about him or have any emotional connection to him. I think the game just expects me to fill in the blanks and care. But I did not have the emotional investment in the slightest to care.

[@spider-man500]

Gameplay wise? Absolutely. Story-Wise? Nope. First is better

[@StraightEdgeKnight19]

I think Spider-Man 2 is better than the first game in terms of gameplay, boss fights, cutscenes, and Yuri Lowenthal’s performance. As far as story? The first game was better in that regard.

[@ameemrashaad2038]

I love focused tighter stories. Which is why the first game and Miles Morales were better. While gameplay and set pieces have improved it's the story that makes it what it is. I was more emotionally invested with those games.

[@spider-man500]

Okay that's stretching it. Miles's story wasn't good either. Bad villain, Phin Sucked, Side Characters sucks. And the story was way too short.

[@emmyjr1231]

​@spider-man500 i disagree. miles' story felt tighter and less bloated than this one. Still enjoyed SM2 though. Just had a stronger emotional connection to the characters in Miles' and Peter's standalone entries.

[@The-Legend-of-P]

@@spider-man500story is to short cause it isn’t a main game lmao. For what we got, stakes were high, good enough characters, good motivation, just not done enough with phin. Story was still good tho and was impactful. If you didn’t like it then that’s fine. Your opinion isn’t the same as others

[@garyjones7721]

2:58 uh is there a small seam hole in that building?

[@Nimajneb42069]

Spiderman 2018 is a masterpiece superhero game, so is miles morales, and so is spiderman 2. I don’t think it’s a situation where 1 is better than the other. Insomniac has genuinely created all time level video games here

[@muhtasimmahin5057]

Nah..spider-man 2 suck.

[@LittleRedKuma]

I've enjoyed both spiderman games and I'm looking forward to seeing where the next one takes us. One thing I liked about the second one was the chase section with black cat. And that portal jumping would be a great mechanic for some sort of spiderverse game, jumping between different new yorks would definitely make the game feel fresh and not another copy and paste with a fresh bit of paint.

[@SwirlyJoe]

Spidey 2 is a great game. The biggest flaw is the confusing title & I didn't like the redesigned Pete, MJ, Miles (very minor complaints)

[@Laenthor]

There's some weird problems that weren't an issue in the other 2 games, such as not being able to listen to previous JJ and Danika podcasts? Just some quirks all around and the combat can get overwhelming, I don't think the parry feels right and most often than not I dodge an enemy only to get hit by an attack from offscreen.

[@ZombieBacon13]

Spiderman 2 was my first next gen experience and the first playstation game i've played since the ps2. I gotta say the load times and the fast travel shocked me, I didn't even realize that was possible yet.

[@Molsonaro3]

Already got all the ps5 trophies, 100% the story once and doing my second play-through now, i loved it! I wish we had new game + and more suits, some of the suits for peter were shite

[@aamirrazak3467]

Would be cool to see a future video comparing original Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man 2 2023 or on shattered dimensions if possible!

[@HowdyJ.Marston]

Shattered dimensions? Or web of shadows?

[@nikmar77]

Far From Home didn't really work, but not because of the Europe setting. First game: The perfect Peter Parker story. Second game: Overall better experience, it has you very much engaged and builds up so well but doesn't land quite right. After Venom is introduced it kind of goes downhill with the exception of the Scream fight and Anti-Venom reveal. Logically it is very consistent, emotionally: it grabbed me from the beginning but it lost me a bit at the end.

[@Rafcap]

In my opinion, compared to the previous games, the story is impressive, even the presence of venom and the symbiote suit, but it's not as good as the previous games, The gameplay, well, it got better in the sequel, infact, both miles and peter got new finishers, then peter could also use the symbiote suit which is the badass part of the game and miles could use his ultrasonic explosion (idk really how's it called) which is so OP that literally K.O the villains around him, in the game it also got revamped and it's kinda way better than miles morales, the exploration literally got way way better than the previous games, in marvel's spiderman 1 and miles morales, the map was kinda small and the swinging is slow, better not talk about marvel's avengers, the swinging is really really slow in that game, BUT, in marvel's spiderman 2 everything got better, the map got even more bigger than the previous games and the swinging is faster and decent like Spiderman web of shadows. One thing that i don't like about the sequel is that, the map in the previous games felt so rich, but the sequel's map kinda feels empty, like everything you visit, it's just the same as the previous city you visited in the game, the map is still good tho, you can have fun with pro swinging, worth it. But anyways, in my opinion MSM2 really surpassed the previous games, talking about graphic and physics, they're impressive to me, as someone who completed the game, when peter transforms into the symbiote it literally gives me chills, nothing anymore to say about the game, i repeat, it might be the game of the year but there are some issues that for real need to be improved by insomniac, infact, in this age the people are lazy to make games, so they're like this, if they continue like this, it might be that the next game might get more hate tho.

[@CoalGames_offical]

You know what we need? A Marvels Spider-Man 2VR! I would play the hell out of that!

[@NUHUH245]

Its so cool while peter has the black suit when in the rage mode the controller like grows but as soon as you get the white suit it disappears, I haven't seen anyone talk about this either and I thought it was a cool detail.

[@DEADBEATONLY]

Mf you got spoiled you shoudent know about the white suit yet. Your ruining the story for yourself

[@Mango_of_lies]

do you think you will do every version of lego batman? i think more lego videos would be great

[@2011GamerBoy]

I feel like the Venom story was a little disappointing, what happened to Venom being an evil monster who wants to torment Peter and make his life hell and kill him? when did it become venom wanting to take over the world web of shadows style. I feel like due to venoms popularity people tend to forget he's main focus is Destroying Spiderman, i get with the story its about healing the world and what not but he didn't even want to kill peter he wanted him to Join him like huh? They could've made Venoms plot a lot more personal and go into more of harry being jealous of how norman treats peter better then he treats harry and feed into that and the symbiote hating him for getting the symbiote off him. Also Venom was not in the game no where long enough, Such an iconic character such a great Villain to only have him for 5 missions bit disappointing. Gameplay wise this game is much better then the original but the original story is a lot better and a lot more personal.

[@Straightouttapocket]

Tbh as good as the games are, Insomniac hasn’t followed the canon at all. I know some will argue it would be too hard that way, but your spider sense honestly shouldn’t be active during the fight with Venom. The symbiote should be weak to fire, but it isn’t. Most importantly, Venom should’ve been Eddie Brock. Why are we always having Harry forced on us as of late? He’s either the Goblin over Norman, or apparently now he’s Venom over Brock. I don’t get it, does anyone really like Harry? For me, in any universe, he’s almost always the most boring character in Spider-Man. Peter would never simply “walk away” from being Spider-Man. It’s not in his nature. “With great power” you know the rest. MJ from the comics was much more understanding of this. They still found the time to live their lives. In this series, she’s lowkey kind of unlikeable. Selfish, like she expects him to give everything up and forget other people’s safety just for her. I’ve seen numerous interpretations of the sinister 6, never saw Mister Negative in any of them until the Insomniac series. Now, if you’ve beaten this game, you’ll know they are introducing Silk (Cindy Moon). In the comics, she was bitten by the same spider as Peter, and is 3 years older than him. In this series, it looks like she will instead by part of Miles’s story arc, meaning she’s probably also a teenager, and probably not bitten by the same Spider as him. It’s working for them so far, the games are great. But they need to tread carefully. Their recent announcement that Miles is now the main guy has been met with a polarizing at best response. And sales numbers indicate what they’re doing isn’t smart at all. The 2018 game is the highest selling super hero game ever at 33 million. Miles Morales in 2020 only sold 6 million. A lot of people only view him as a cheap knock off of Peter, same age he was when he started, same origin story, same personality. Same powers, with the addition of some op electricity based powers that I personally think make his sections too easy. I get that they want diversity, but why not create an original and badass black character in that case? Or do a Black Panther game? Leave the already established and beloved Peter Parker Spider-Man character alone. Just my 2 cents. I’ve dragged this on long enough.

[@Tincoco_]

lived up to my expectations story wise. BUT it feels like insomniac took a cod approach to it. We for some reason didnt have mission select like in miles morales. No ng+ and so on. Like i feel that those should be there when i get the game rather than having to wait to have them updated into the game.

[@Smoky_mussel124]

this game was so fun but now I got nothing to do in this game since I finished it, i can’t wait for the dlcs and new game plus

[@1DAR26]

3:27 it's actually less gadgets than Spider-Man PS4.

[@giannid.7794]

Personally I loved the two games, they complement each other very well, everything that needed to be improved in the first one they did and the new additions, it's a treat without the work, too bad certain bugs and wokist propaganda but apart from that the game is excellent and one of the best of 2023. Ps: You should know it Peter never really stops he always comes back and anyway he doesn't really say it that he stops it definitively, he just takes a break. in the DLC we will undoubtedly incarnate Miles, we will have a Spider-Man Miles Morales 2 to develop Cindy Moon and a game dedicated to the latter and in the third Peter will return it is logical for me, we cannot do the Green Goblin without Peter is like making Robin and Joker fight.

[@chrispanico2276]

I prefer the original bc I only really care about OG Spider-Man. All of a sudden in the sequel Peter is constantly knocked out and weak and only Miles and Buffed MJ can save him. Also, Peter looks younger than Miles.

[@Sickliss]

I really thought the fight with symbiote MJ was amazing. Having all of the deep-down personal feelings out during the fight really showed the realness behind maintaining a relationship with a superhero such as Peter who is constantly busy and can't maintain anything outside of the hero's occupation. MJ's words (albeit influenced by the symbiote) felt so real and were necessary for Peter to hear so that he can truly realize what impact this life has on the people around him.

[@tombruncker7013]

I love both games but Spider-Man 2 is a natural improvement for me, much like going from the first Sam Raimi spider man film to the second Sam Raimi film

[@burnsy96]

6:51 - idk why that's so funny, it's just jumping through a wall but I can't stop rolling on the floor

[@BusinessMan1619]

As long as Insomniac doesn't take any tips from Volition and the Saints Row reboot they'll be just fine.

[@theonewhostonks]

i feel like the original spiderman had a better scripted and executed story on average (i mean the mj missions were such a chore) but the all the broadening and improvement in the second game make it more fun to play

[@alwf905]

In terms of general gameplay, bosses and set pieces it’s 2 but the original outclasses it in pretty much everything else.

[@SaifSKH]

Story: First game is better Gameplay: Second game is better

[@spiderzilla7o7]

I always thought spider-man 1 had a more lively atmosphere

[@marvinglinogo9839]

Spiderman 1 Peter have alot of cool suit mods and abilities which in 2 have not I hope I can see in the Future that he retain some of the Gadget Techs and use in Future battle such as the Spider Drones Spider Arms and if possible he had Web Blossom which personally I considered as one of his strongest mods in terms of utility and crowd battle taking down multiple opponents at once

[@merritt2014]

Generall, yeah. But the thing is lacks is that wow factor that the first game had. It's not really its fault as Insomniac just 100% nailed absolutely everything in the first game. So now the sequel is largely just a iterative update.

[@boredomoverload8236]

Hot take: I always will prefer Eddie Brock as venom. I enjoyed harry as venom, But Eddie Brock I enjoy him as like a rival and that there is actual connection between him and the symbionts.

[@christopherjones5827]

Exactly Eddie.

[@bjmike1056]

I think the story in Spider Man remastered was better, but the fact that Venom took over New York just made Spider Man 2 better. Plus the fact you could play as him was unreal. If insomniac releases a carnage or chameleon dlc I will say that Spider Man 2 is 100% better

[@cidfacetious3722]

Does peter Parkey actually save anybody in this game? I’m pretty close to the end and as far as I can tell, he’s been nothing but a pain in everyone’s ass while Miles Sue is the definition of perfection 🤦‍♂️

[@offside_whale]

"That's not May's house, that's Kame house." Best line.

[@rival2028]

The only bad thing about Spiderman 2 was the "new" suit Miles rocked at the end. Why did they think that was a good idea?

[@Shahriyararin63]

Yeah I didn't like that suit for Miles

[@gaiusfulmen]

Probably because Adidas paid them to

[@ziadmurad4074]

I absolutely love this game, but it's lacking basic features both previous games had. There is no New Game +, no way to repeat missions, and less interesting enemy bases than before. Some fan-favorite suits are also not present in the game, and the game is VEEEEERY woke. They had "Arab" characters speak with Indian accents, which is kinda offensive, and some gay characters for absolutely no reason. Had they invested their time into fixing the glitches and adding all the missing features instead of the woke garbage, this game would have been a 10 for me. Too bad.

[@kaiyuteh5445]

Original: Better story but repetitive gameplay Latest: Spectacular gameplay but story could have improved

[@JonTheJedi]

I’m confused why everyone is saying the first game had a better or more emotional story. Both games straight wrenched my heart out of my chest and stomped on it.

[@Vulpas]

Wow, your bar for quality storytelling is so very low.

[@spider-man500]

Because the first game put more focus on it. It had a simpler and thus tighter script that allowed all the emotions and impact hit harder.

[@A_mir0_0]

@@Vulpas or opinions are different grow up!

[@PufflePufflePuffle]

Both are good but 2018 story is better

[@JonTheJedi]

@@PufflePufflePuffle disagree I think they are equally good.

[@rdh9475]

I’m playing the original PS4 Spider-Man one before the face change and the controls are a bit different but I take this this one is better than the trash is 2

[@MatheusFilipe-m6q]

The spider man 1 is better than the shit 2 because Peter Parker is the hero and is not kill so easily

[@masterking08]

4:22 Since when did miles join the dark side of the force

[@glitchyhandle02]

They followed the same Secondary and Main Villain Thing they did in the original game, We thought Mr Negative was the main villain yet it was Dock Ock, which was an amazing plot twist, and now we thought Kraven but it ended up being Venom, which was known years ago.

[@bigguy5956]

But when are you going to review Marvel’s Guardians Of The Galaxy? One of the best Marvel video game adaptations

[@agrilsunil1]

Miles: Very Well, JEDI! [Shoots crazy lightning] Black suit Peter: (grunting in pain)

[@Ryou_Sensei]

gameplay, story, and mechanics wise yes, current post game not so much, but just remember everyone: THe reason it seems like its bad is because 2020 was the beginning of the age where everyone started complaining about every single little detail about everything. Yes it started even before 2020, but back then the only thing complained about was actual stuff to complain about.

[@The-Legend-of-P]

Rn people have very small nitpicky complaints and act like that the biggest issue. When in reality, it’s only a big issue cause they have nothing else to complain about. No one has any major complaints. Just small stuff

[@Bale4Bond]

More importantly: Which one is more cinematic and treats itself more seriously? Now that's a true contest!

[@Paulinho_66]

I think both treats itself seriously enough… but second game was rushed as hell.

[@pse2020]

The first felt more focused and mature with way better humor. Second ones tone was all over the place.

[@Vulpas]

How about which one is has more political messaging? SM1 has pride flags, but SM2 has way more LGBT elements, but also a gun control narrative, the climate change conspiracy (it's not real lol), black worship, and more.

[@Bale4Bond]

I can't believe that my question was taken as anything other than satirical.

[@solredqueen]

goated as fuck satire dude

[@Anthony5830JimenezAJ]

The game play was definitely better, but I felt like the second half of the story was rushed. Plus with the over usage of fake outs was just getting a bit too much.

[@Shahriyararin63]

No, nothing is rushed. It's amazing

[@GrammarGaming]

please can you do a video comparing each MJ and saying how she gets uglier each time 🙏🙏

[@aamirrazak3467]

A v important future video idea

[@yosh1562]

Porn addict

[@Aspect985]

For me, Spider Man 2 Exceeded my expectations. the graphics were so realistic, the new suits and gadgets were really slick and clean, the story was a little zig-zagged but I was still in awe every time something happened. My only bad comment about it was the boss fights. they were awesome to go up against but the lizard and venom boss fight were just to hard on ultimate difficulty. I had to tone down the difficulty just to beat the lizard because he did so much damage to me in 1 second or before I even realized I was back in the fight/new phase. But other than that, this game was amazing to play and platinum and i cannot wait for SM3 to come out and see if it can do better than a game I already have as "the best spiderman game known to man" (my opinion)

[@headshotmaster138]

Kid got low standards.

[@Aspect985]

@@headshotmaster138 ???

[@zagutiny7755]

Yo babe flandrew just uploaded

[@adimark42]

Spiderman 2 is a better game from a gameplay standpoint because of better traversal and comabt. but the story well its good both ways but the 2nd game shits soo much on peter that its funny xD

[@iter929]

SM2 is better in gameplay and free-roaming, while SM1 is better for the story.

[@VESSEL0I]

I prefer the story of Spider-Man 2018 better but in every other aspects the new game is better other than the gadgets being removed

[@gaetanoisgro6710]

Peter's new face single handly killed the franchise for me. The original was so good it doesn't even compare.

[@Crocc101]

Yeah the remaster and miles Peter face looked off, the first was amazing the new sm2 one is fine but it just looks like Tom and Toby but the first look like a mix between all 3

[@MvsticDreamz]

How do people not like this games story i feel like its way better

[@JimWall-g6l]

HOW something felt off you have to admit

[@Joshenator-xp1ff]

Story was fine in both games. Why do people care about story so bad?

[@MvsticDreamz]

idk@@Joshenator-xp1ff

[@DEADBEATONLY]

​@MvsticDreamz the first game felt more like spiderman. Instead. Spiderman 2 story felt rushed and it put more of a focus on miles which is annoying since spiderman put the focus on Pete

[@MvsticDreamz]

@@DEADBEATONLY All that is opinions. I loved the story, I didn't think it was rushed at all. It definitely wasnt a focus on miles because I remember being forced to play as Pete way more than miles. And besides, the whole point is that there are 2 spidermen now..

[@ostratego167]

Why did Peter chuck out old bananas when he could have made banana bread?

[@noellalexander9527]

Judging by the take-out cartons littering his house I guess he isn't doing great with basic maintenance.

[@Topgamer-nz7sd]

I know this would probably be a short video but I think would be awesome if you could compare every version of the canceled video game movie tie in of the cancelled Spider-Man 4 movie I completely understand both versions were never finished due to the cancellation of Spider-Man 4

[@OneBirdAllStoned]

I 100 percented spiderman 2 and it only took 138hrs.

[@jinsungyuu8365]

Wdym only 138 hrs, that’s a long ahh time, how long does it take for you to platinum games

[@Caioviski795]

2001:Spider-Man 2 2014:The Amazing Spider-Man 2 2024:Spider-Man 2

[@jinsungyuu8365]

2004* 2023*

[@Master4Bionicle]

I'm starting to be afraid that Flandrew won't cover every version of Ultimate Spider-Man and Web of Shadows

[@Flandrew]

I will

[@aamirrazak3467]

A shattered dimensions video or web of shadows review would be great

[@Master4Bionicle]

@@Flandrew Thank you very much. I'm sure Ultimate Spider-Man in particular is alot of work to go through since there are so many different versions, I'll be patiently looking forward to it along with all the other web-heads around!

[@Vulpas]

@@Flandrew You didn't touch on the game being super woke, even if it doesn't bother you I think it should've warranted a mention in the section where you acknowledge the uglification of MJ.

[@larrylasting2820]

​@@Vulpaswtf are yapping about buddy 😂

[@thebullfighter6733]

I think they sorta did Peter dirty in this game, he was always the one who needed saving, by Harry, by MJ and by Miles. Being the older more mature character, Peter’s emotions always seem to be tempered by everyone else in the game. Yes he has the symbiote (which screws with him) but mile’s conquers his demons and conflict with Lee on his own. In my opinion Miles is as just the greater and more controlled Spider-Man. I also know Miles has more powers, but Peter just felt like Spider-Man lite. Without the symbiotes powers, Miles was just better and more powerful in every way. Just as strong, faster with his venom strikes, same spider sense, venom strike ability, immunity to scorpions poison after a while, immune to electricity. Vs Peter who was just spiderman with robot spider legs so he didn’t just seem like total trash. I love miles and I love Peter. I’m always going to be a Peter Parker fan first as he was who I grew up with in the 90s. I just wish they had some equalizing factors where Peter didn’t seem like such a puss puss and wasn’t just so much weaker than Miles

[@Lonely_Soldier]

Miles is such a boring Gary Stu character, he's super overpowered and better than Peter in every single way (on purpose mind you because propaganda and white people bad) the fact that this game is even made by the same company is shocking with how bad this one is compared to the first game.

[@xboxboy926]

​@@Lonely_SoldierI feel that, I'm having such a hard time playing this. I LOVE PETER, NOT MILES.

[@srikanthramprasad565]

Venom was badass in the game and Tony Todd’s voice really kills it. Even though his voice is much fitting for Eddie Brock Venom rather than Harry. But I wish Carnage was the main villain instead.

[@Vergil_Sparda69]

Gameplay wise it's definitely 2 but I have to give story to 1.

[@jinsungyuu8365]

Same

[@Aleks-ot5ns]

To be quite honest this game is excelent. It is unfortunate that it couldnt really make the same jump in scope that Arkham Asylum made to Arkham City (I mean that would meen Spider Man could go all the way to Philadelphia and that would A be silly, B the game would be 500gb). The Ultimate difficulty is awesome I feel this one was much tougher than both 1 and MM. The only grype I have with this game are the boss battles. To get back to the Arkham games the boss batles in Asylum were objectively garbage and then we proceeded to get some of the best boss battles ever in the following 3 games with Freeze, Deathstroke (in orgins obv) and Manbat being some of the biggest standouts. And in now 3 Spider man games the boss battles just feel very same-ish (apart from Sandman, but come on its an intro level), you jump around using your mobility and make an opening using the environment/web/gadgets/or parry in this last game. They especially dropped the ball on the Miles - Symbiot Peter fight. I mean even on Ultimate he gets webbed up so easily and the entire fight felt very formulaic you jump around using your mobility and webs/the bell to create openings. Bruh you have the same mobility, you should not be able to do that. I think they should have made Symbiot peter be able to A predict some of your moves B track you down while swinging. Same goes for Venom, he canonicaly does not trigger your Spider sense, there were so many cool gameplay elements they could have made out of that. I just hope that by introducing a mobile flying character like Green Goblin in 3 they can make at least one creative one.

[@WolfOfTheGate]

downgrade in story but the gameplay, especially traversal, is a pretty good upgrade

[@tipsy634]

This is the first video ive seen which has actually made me want to play Spiderman 2

[@djdimo_97official34]

I really enjoyed the story but the ending was interesting 😁

[@lazyyoutuber1237]

Is there any mod to bring back the og Peter Parker Face

[@Jozombies115]

There are definite things that both games do better. Spider-Man 2 has unequestionably better gameplay and boss fights, as well as some really high story moments. Spider-Man 1 had a better story overall, some better gameplay features such as the perfect dodge takedown, and a better open world (crime variety, changing time of day, replaying bases.) Right now I think I prefer the first game. The story just felt a lot more mature and the devil's breath outbreak completely eclipsed the symbiote apocalypse in part 2. Spider-Man 2 felt like the ultimate playable comic book while the first game felt like living inside a Spider-Man movie.

[@The-Legend-of-P]

I think this one was more immersive and movie like. Just maybe pace the story more

[@baki484]

The whole "best Spiderman stories are when Peter Parker/Miles Morales and Spiderman's world collide" stopped being fun by Miles Morales.

[@brickzoneanimations8395]

In Gameplay, Side missions and suits in Spider-man 2 is an S Tier but the Story is an A tier at best, but for Spider-Man 1 Story is an S tier because it was more emotional with Doc Ock’s down fall and aunt may’s death but the gameplay is a B or A tier at best both of these games are amazing in their own way!

[@Shahriyararin63]

At least Insomniac learned from their mistakes and improved from its predecessors. Kraven, Doc Ock and Venom are top 3 best Insomniac Spider Man villains

[@brickzoneanimations8395]

@@Shahriyararin63 agreed while the gameplay is the best one we had out of Spider-Man 1 or Miles Morales but in Storywise it was not as emotional as the first one

[@Shahriyararin63]

@@brickzoneanimations8395 but yeah I agree the story is good in the second game too

[@brickzoneanimations8395]

@@Shahriyararin63 The Story in the first game was an S tier! The Story in Miles Morales PS5 is an A tier but the Story in Spider-Man 2 PS5 is an A tier above miles morales

[@Shahriyararin63]

@@brickzoneanimations8395 yeah totally

[@SkewAnasSiddiqui]

people are wondering if its better than the first one but they also thhink it can beat totk. botw was so much better than the first spider man but totk is like botw 3.0

[@marvelgirls2016]

The story , the gameplay are much better in spiderman 2

[@chadgaming8288]

The story to this game was a HUGE step-up from the original and Miles Morales combined! I’m also glad that Insomniac added the No Way Home suits, the Spider-Man 3 black suit, and the Amazing Spider-Man 2 suit!

[@solredqueen]

As a wise Hayden Christensen once said, Incorrect. The first game delves deep into relationships, and it is clear that the relationship of Peter and Otto hit way harder than Harry not dying, nor their lack of friendship shown. More development and focus on the story this time around would've done the game favors, but they padded it and took the easy way out by adding more MJ missions instead of something similar to Web of Shadows.

[@AnquanPoole]

This game brings if it ain't broke don't fix it

[@arthurdurham]

Going back to Spider-Man after nearly 100% Spider-Man 2 I can personally say the first one is better. There are some things QOL things the sequel did I like but overall it's a weaker package. The city is unnecessarily big and because the side mission style is just icons on a map and nothing to do with the map itself, exploration is pointless. And it makes web swinging not as important as gliding and fast travel, which is less fun than the first game's smaller map. There is no reason to not take the quickest route everywhere as swinging will just take too long. The side mission design is even more bloated. Yes the first game had an unnecessary amount of collectibles and towers but it's so much quicker than the sequel. An example is photos in the original you can take swinging by quickly and and go right to something else. In the sequel you need to wait for a call from Robbie to load and play before you can do the next one before you can do anything else or fast travel. Combat is much more button mashy. I do like that the gadgets and powers are mapped to quick use as opposed to the gadget wheel in concept, but bc of how many more enemies there are in the sequel and how many super moves your get you don't make deliberate choices on strategy like the original but just indiscriminately use the abilities. So many of the bigger side missions were dull imo. Like everything with Miles. I get in his game you did stuff for the community, but it was still less there. I got so bored helping him with his school or museum. Like there's a hunter terrorist organization and alien symbiotes, I don't give af about a trumpet. And the story is just meandering and things kind of just happen with little through line as opposed to the first that had a very type and personal story. There were two or 3 main stories being forced together. It also was way more Anime. Like characters constantly getting convenient power ups out of nowhere and everything being solved with the power of friendship. The game less relied on Spider-Man being intelligent and strategic they just made them super sayains. I love shonen Anime but not in a Spider-Man story. Or how Mary Jane can basically take out enemies better than the Spider-Men in one shot kills. Like that invalidated all their threat. As much as I love Venom, I really wish the story was mostly just them vs Kraven and have the story be Peter learning to let Miles take the reigns and Miles learning to be Spider-Man against a threat that pushes them to their moral limits. It's actually surprising how little Miles and Peter have to do with each other for a lot of the story. They kind of just bump into each other often and have their own things going on until the end. If they remastered the first one again with the PS5 SSD drive functions and a few other updates it basically be close to perfect.

[@mikeb53]

From a purely mechanical standpoint, yes, its better. But from a story/narrative perspective, no way, the first game is far better. The story in the second game is rather mediocre IMHO I mean all they had to do, was copy web of shadows and it would have been great but they sort of did, and mixed it in with some 90's spider-man cartoon with a few hints of Raimi's Spider-Man 3, and also MJ had plot armor so thick your could build a battleship hull with it. Not to mention they made Peter into an apologetic pussy.

[@spider-man500]

I'm gonna say it; Peter should of been Venom. Peter's Fall should of been the main focus of the game,

[@lwb0920]

That is a really dumb idea to just straight up copy web of shadows

[@mikeb53]

@@lwb0920 Well they did copy parts of it anyway...

[@domysasuke]

Short answer: yes.

[@DEADBEATONLY]

You mean no

[@Waterypeanutbutter]

I think everything but story, spider man 2 is superior in every way