Is SR-IOV The Future Of PC Gaming?

[@Wourghk]

It'll even work on TempleOS?! I'm sold!

[@FreshApplePie]

year of the templeOS gaming desktop confirmed

[@HuMaNiTaRiAn1]

getouta here you CIA dark skinned cohort

[@excessiveworry3838]

HuMaNiTaRiAn1 Just run them over

[@VEN0M415]

2:15 Total annihilation was one of the few games I played to death as a kid, never thought I'd see it in a L1T video!

[@drunkredninja]

0:28 I do coke in the car before being around people too, especially Linus.

[@RaydeusMX]

Considering I'm going full Linux once I can't use Windows 7 anymore this is excellent news for me.

[@helperfunction4981]

This was so relaxing to watch, almost ASMR grade. I sunk deep into my soft chair

[@AxiomofDiscord]

I have been dreaming about this for a long time and very hopeful. I just wonder how long I have to wait and pray it is not forever.

[@wargamingrefugee9065]

SR-IOV = single root input/output virtualization

[@rkan2]

thank you!

[@wargamingrefugee9065]

:-)

[@sneakeyboard8305]

hashtag savedMeTheGoogles Thanks! Thanks! Thanks!

[@BigHeadClan]

A former client of mine in oil and gas implemented vdi pretty well, it was mainly used to render high resolution survey data and a few other things. Ended up with 18 nvidia grid 2 cards, each blade had 3 cards installed. The chassis they were installed in had 8x 3000 watt pdu and raise the ambient air temp by 8C. Was Crazy

[@dizzymetrics]

If 7nm Vega for non-enterprise(no confirmation of there being a consumer version as of today I believe) does not pack SR-IOV, then I don't think we're getting it anytime soon. But yeah, I would not hesitate to buy a card with such abilities. I'd pay bullshit Vega frontier prices for it easily.

[@daviddupoise6443]

Me too! Easily worth it.

[@davel8116]

Thumbs up for Temple OS.

[@federicopisoni1764]

2:10 WAS THAT TOTAL ANNIHILATION? (yes, I was excited)

[@Joshua286m]

Total Annihilation is actually a bad example for what he was talking about. Total annihilation runs on modern systems without any modifications. It is one of the few older games that do.

[@daviddupoise6443]

It is definitely the future. Now flood the inboxes of everyone you know at the big 3 hardware vendors and convince them to bring this to the consumer level GPU's

[@Mr.Unacceptable]

I wish i could have gone to LTX. Wish you had more time in Vancouver. An insiders view of the area and it's secrets would have been fun. Next time take a drive 1hr north of Vancouver for a day trip. It's well worth your time to see the views the city has to offer.

[@danielalmanza354]

Props for showing Thief as an example.

[@emperorSbraz]

aaah i can't wait to have OS2 WARP guest! :D

[@raikoh05]

Sort of reminds me of the way fpga is changing retro gaming. Need a longer video on this

[@CaedenV]

Our VDI environment is awesome! It does choke on GPU loads, but just about everything else is fantastic for office use. Best part is that you log off, your computer is deleted, and you get a whole new machine when you log in again. Makes troubleshooting much easier. Log off/on, and if the problem persists then it is a profile issue likely in the appdata folder. All medium to large businesses and schools should move to this at least for their Windows environment. Also great for BYOD snobs who think that their equipment is 'just better'. They can use their stuff, and log into the VDI when they need to use corporate resources. It is just awesome.

[@cdoublejj]

more videos about VM and graphics, i've been doing research here and there for a few years with esxi 6.0 and older and you can still do some cool stuff

[@scannerman777]

Welcome to Canada, Wendell. Enjoy your stay :)

[@SeleniumGlow]

Interesting. I high level design Data Centers in my day job, and up till now, I've only heard of SR-IOV being used as a technique to accelerate network virtualization (via PCIe x16 NICs, mostly Infiniband and Mellanox with occasional Intel X series thrown in). I knew that SR-IOV is an improvement over PCI Passthrough in theory and should work with any PCIe card/function as long as the drivers were there. I haven't yet seen other "non-networking" examples of SR-IOV in the enterprise yet. Does something like that exists? I need to go on a google spree this weekend.

[@abigailpatridge2948]

Yes, Enterprise and Workstation grade graphics accelerator cards already support it. It's not yet supported on any consumer hardware, though there's no real good reason it can't be implemented there too. The use case you've encountered personally would be worthless on consumer hardware, but consumer graphics accelerator cards would be very useful to have the capability.

[@rkan2]

Abigail Patridge It is basically a software issue... How do the enterprise gpus differ anyway? A bit wider memory bus or more of it... It's the same hardware.

[@abigailpatridge2948]

We don't actually know how they disable the functionality. It could be just a simple driver issue. It could be in firmware. They could be fusing some pins off to prevent it from EVER being a thing. We don't know. None of these three options would be too costly to be "worth" doing for the sake of segmentation. Not even the last. They fuse off much more of GPUs and CPUs all the time in the name of market segmentation.

[@mduckernz]

rkan2 There isn't any difference in hardware it would seem, it's artificial segmentation. Currently it looks like it's at the firmware level (to me, anyway. Plenty of people have tried to overcome it by hacking drivers and failed. Firmware is difficult to hack as it's signed on modern cards). NVIDIA blocks virtualised GPU use, to my understanding, while AMD doesn't.

[@abigailpatridge2948]

Both block SR-IOV, but only nvidia also attempts to prevent use of a secondary card for direct pass through as well. Though the nvidia crap can be worked around by a relatively simple hack when it comes to pass through and is absolutely software. Not even firmware. You may be right that SR-IOV is disabled in firmware.

[@TheMohawkNinja]

As somebody who recently tried to use RDP from Arch to Win10 over a wholly under-saturated 1Gb/s home network to effectively play any video game on Linux (and quickly realized that RDP only uses like ~2 Mb/s which makes it unusable for this application), I am EXTREMELY excited to learn of this technology.

[@rasmusthomsen4861]

Hopefully it is.

[@Jenrikforlife]

It would be interesting if we could have the screen output of the vm exposed as a frame buffer/texture in the host, and have the gpu handle it internal instead of having to do it with looking glass

[@Brutaltronics]

Canada? never heard of it

[@RaydeusMX]

Chances are you've heard their official name though: America's hat.

[@spacemanwithraygun3933]

According to many young American graduates Canada is a state.

[@RealityIsTheNow]

Take it from someone who married a Canadian and spends way too much time up there: They are basically the same country. The money is different. The road signs are different. The people are the same. They drive the same cars, watch the same shows, listen to the same music, and basically eat the same food. Same language, same religions, same civic structures, for the most part. It's completely idiotic for Americans and Canadians to flick shit at each other. Canada has a better healthcare system, but they get the shit taxed out of them to pay for it. (Verifiable reality). America has a better economy and better career opportunities...but you have to pay for your healthcare out of pocket instead of through taxes. (Verifiable reality.) Get over it, folks.

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

@@RealityIsTheNow except we typically have a much better rate of education and dont have a government system that really only has a right wing. not shitting on america but you guys do really need to get your shit together.

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

@@RealityIsTheNow also our taxes arent that high. and compared to what americans pay for health care its still cheaper to pay canadian taxes. a puffer that is 34$ in ontario completely uncovered by the government is 600$ in america. and its made there. and our taxes could be much lower. wweve had a bunch of pms steal money from our country. like the last one, who gave his friends company three different "loans" that only have to be paid back to the country if they decide they want to(it literally says it in the loan contract) in the tune of like billions of dollars. then spent something like 3 billion on the g20 summit to create an artifical lake that was used for a few days. bought all brand new electronics and sold them after a few days usage for pennies. someone i know got one of the tv's they used for it for like 100$ after it was used for like 4 days at most and was bought brand new for over a grand. realistically though, canada is a much better country then the states in too many regards to ignore. your health care system is literally scamming your citizens. youre government let isps steal 20 billion dollars from the country that was supposed to fund a fiber network. and just saying but you also nuked your closest allies. imagine if canada lost a nuke on american soil and sent a team in without permission to detonate it and cover it up. sorry but like that just says alot about your country as a whole. we helped you look for it for 4 years after you lost it on our soil in a populated area. sneak into the country after you find it to remove the core and blow it up without telling us. after you sold your first gen nukes to us when you developed the second gen ones. sorry but that coulda started a war, or gotten america sanctioned into the dirt. and yet your country still has a bad habit of trying to shit on canada for its own benefit. look at nafta, 3rd party judges have ruled in canada's favor multiple times for america to simply ignore it. our voting system also isnt set up to basically be the most easily rigged thing in the world. only benefits america has are more business. but thats shifting. and still most american companies test products in canada because its actually a better market.

[@minkeymagik]

Love the show Wendell

[@湊上川]

Hey Wendell, can you make a video about your thoughts on Web Assembly? It's also a cross platform solution, just a slightly different approach.

[@jieddo1]

I was looking into using something like this a few years ago when I was interested in building a zero client terminal for my kitchen. A used NIC cost upwards of $3000, i dont believe it was SR-IOV but a similar technology. I ended up just buying a used ultra-thin Optiplex on Ebay for $150.

[@klontjespap]

are we getting SR-IOV on mainstream graphics cards soon? 'cause i'm not made of money, and not of pcie x16 slots either i'm dying to make a multi-headed lan machine, doesn't even need to run the most demanding graphical stuff, i just really want to avoid having to use a ghetto gpu on the side for my host os.

[@itsdeonlol]

We

[@emperorSbraz]

a friend of mine works in it and have tons of gpus deployed i think in a similar fashion for customers. he spoke about proprietary devices though.. evil stuff.

[@kazriko]

I'd love to see the makers of graphics cards give consumers a way to split a single consumer graphics card into 2. It wouldn't be great for the enterprise, but would allow us to have a native system, and 1 fully accelerated VM.

[@harrycox6303]

For your next video, review Hardee's charbroiled sliders.

[@DemitriX.]

4:40 God Bless Terry

[@powderedwater67]

I can't wait for this to be a thing. Hopefully it actually happens.

[@michaelsanders5815]

I agree. I've been saying that for at least 10 years. But market forces will prevent that from happening. You said it was capitalist in nature. It's not. It is free market in nature. When will it be in Microsoft's or Intel's interests to bring something like that to market? Intel might sell some cpu's. But all the standards bureau's and consortiums that Intel is a partner with will lose money. Tying you to the cloud and getting a subscription from you is the name of the game. And this defeats that. Level 1 tech you may be. But you have a lot to learn about "the suits".

[@TheChantry]

I could see Intel or NVIDIA incorporate such technologies, what with 10+ core Prosumer/Enthusiast-level CPUs being available from AMD. Look at how that's spurred Intel to finally up their core count to compete. If AMD do some similar Consumer-Choice with their graphics cards, say tout their next gen as being fully SR-IOV and give us the choice of a Threadripper-Vega combo for just such virtualisation - I'm sold.

[@michaelsanders5815]

What is the economic incentive to allow you to run legacy software longer? I agree it's a great idea. But $ makes those decisions not brains.

[@MsHojat]

Intel and Microsoft may have little-to-no desire for the technology, and potentially reasons to not want it exist, but they aren't the ones that would be making it. It would be the GPU manufacturers AMD and Nvidia. Nvidia sells out to everything, and AMD does make CPUs, but I think both still have a very good chance of adding VDI support on their cards. If either company made cards that supported that feature, it would give them an edge to get more sales from consumers. More people will buy their cards over the competitor when they support stuff like this. Also note that this tech isn't to run legacy software longer, it's to run _any_ PC graphics software on _any_ PC operating system. All the latest AAA games could be played on Linux even if they don't support Linux. Same with 3D modeling programs or image editing programs such as Photoshop.

[@michaelsanders5815]

It does extend the use of the software by allowing it to run in environments not intended. So yes it does allow you to run legacy software longer in terms of forcing open a closed system like an app store. And after you get your graphics card with this support you only need to wait for the OS support and the chip set cpu combo that supports it. And after you convince all of those people to invest in tech that does not help them out very much in terms of bottom line...Everyone else is getting better frame rate than you in higher res because they are running it natively and you are in 1.0 of VDI. This is precisely the kind of money pit standard that suits like to avoid. It's a lot cheaper to just prevent you from doing it in the first place. If they could replace every PC with a console they would.

[@Xabier2.0]

Nice transition lenses.

[@Ryet9]

R.I.P. Terry 👽04:40

[@username65585]

Can I run looking glass on Redox OS?

[@xEducatedFoolx]

I guess this is the first part of the promised Looking Glass vs. Wine vs. Native-thing? Post them faster, I needs :)

[@rajkumarsteel]

Will it not take took much time for data to be trx from the display card on server, to the card on the client machine?

[@SavageArms357]

SR-IOV on a consumer grade GPU would not be used in a remote server, it would allow you to perfectly emulate Windows on a single Linux PC without needing 2 GPU's for PCI-Passthrough or the hassle that brings setting it up.

[@steven44799]

i was playing total annihilation last week on windows 10. its available on steam and works fine.

[@henrikbrolin5687]

what is the game in 2:18? the name pls...!!!! :P

[@Karthig1987]

whos the guy next to wendell?

[@helperfunction4981]

Karthig1987. I'd say Ryan

[@DrFizzyQuizzler]

I was wondering that too...

[@FLOODOFSINS]

This is a great drinking game. Everytime he says sr-iov drink a shot.

[@vskye1]

Why is there steam coming out of that clock? Curious.

[@nimrodery]

Because it's a steam clock.

[@OkonkwoBigYams]

I can't wait for looking glass or something else like it to become simpler to implement, just bc I love Linux for work and coding but I am not nearly as "high level" as most linux/open source people and don't consider myself part of the Linux community since the people scare me

[@MrDavibu]

boo :D

[@mr_beezlebub3985]

Looks interesting

[@vivobook-qo9el]

TOTAL ANNIHILATION yay

[@jordanmccallum1234]

But why would gpu vendors enable SR-IOV on any but their most expensive cards? What could possibly convince them that they should?

[@uses0ap]

Whats the difference between SR-IO & IOMMU ?

[@hampocampo]

5 minutes in and I notice the other shoulder :P

[@od077]

while your in Canada Wendell show Luke how to set up gpu pass through XD

[@WIImotionmasher]

Did... did wendell not know that British Columbia is the name of the province (which is equivalent to a state)?

[@S3thc0n]

If we try hard enough I'm sure we can just hype SRIOV into the next generation of consumer cards.

[@Maxjoker98]

Wouldn't SR-IOV plus a windows 95 guest(program) still require a windows95-compatible API/ABI and associated drivers?

[@ragsdale9]

It kind of sounded like he was saying it would use a virtual windows 95. but i could be wrong, i mean he did say without using the APIs.

[@jacekjagosz]

He means virtual machine, now graphics in virtual machine are way slower, until you use second GPU just for virtual machine, which is called pass trough. With new technology you could split 1 GPU for main and virtualize system.

[@WorBlux]

Yes, though there is hope, even if the GPU vendor doesn't want to backdate support at least for AMD. The open source driver could potentially be ported to Windows 95, and it supports Vulkan, and the WINE projects is currently working with a Vulkan back-end to a d3d API/ABI.

[@ChrisVassi]

Unfortunately we wont be getting the feature anytime soon on the consumer space, because both graphics vendors save it for datacentres. :( Nvidia wont even let you run its consumer GPU on a virtual machine (I know there is a kvm workaround but still)

[@Ishiku__aka_xchoibitschibihil]

HELL YEAASS!

[@JethroRose]

"nothing keeping you on windows" ... except the windows VM you're running the software in. I get it, you get to not store all your stuff in windows, but it's still a stepping stone and microsoft still get a windows license/install to claim they have out there for market share marketing purposes

[@frollard]

LTX?

[@hellblazer275]

holy shit balls that is so cool!

[@SleepyRulu]

Winiston looks excited

[@nobiggeridiot]

British Columbia is the name of the province. A province in Canada is analogous to what you call a 'State' down there. So British Columbia is a label of a similar logical unit you backwater hillbillies might know as Kentucky. Hope you enjoyed your stay ! The drivers are terrible, but the air is nice and clean, and you can do stuff outdoors in the summer aside from running from air conditioned shelter to the next air conditioned shelter. The days when a future core OS might just be a rudimentary kernel and some mass input framebuffer & physical I/O device really gets me excited .. might even be practical to manage from a security perspective. Containers in containers in containers in containers, containers all the way down, just like god intended !!!

[@nimrodery]

BC is absolutely nothing like Kentucky. Try Washington State.

[@MaddyBee]

Aye Total Annihilation

[@Inkrementalgeber]

I think AMD RX VEGA 56 and AMD RX VEGA 64 support SR-IOV. Wouldn't that make these GPUs the ultimate choice for consumers right now if they are interested in that kind of technology?

[@MobyTurbo]

community.amd.com/thread/218846 nope, it doesn't support SR-IOV, at least, not without BIOS modding.

[@mathyoooo2]

I believe it's only on wx and instinct cards atm

[@Inkrementalgeber]

Ah right, I looked it up. It is just a feature of the Vega 10 GPU but not the RX VEGA GPUs. Too bad ...

[@DenGuleBalje]

@@Inkrementalgeber So you can do SR-IOV on the R7 2700U then? That would be interesting.

[@daviddupoise6443]

It was a tantalizing rumor for a few months but corporate put a bullet in it at the very last unfortunately.

[@vincentkeith5259]

Disclaimer - what I Know about this is next to nothing, so there's a 99% change I'm just wrong) I can see (just barely) how this would be great for firms that do rendering, cad as a daily part of their routine. Maybe you have a person or two who have max loads and they have their own GPUs, and everyone else shares - I can also see this creating a lot of frustration. What I don't see is how this applies to gaming - are we paying games on the corporate server? Surely you're not suggesting I do my games graphics over the web to some cloud server - are you?

[@Qyngali]

This isn't about doing it over the network, this is about putting that tech inside your own computer and run a host OS + virtual machine on a single GPU, at full speed. So you can have say Linux as host, and if you want to play games you can play without rebooting into Windows but do it (at full speed) in a Windows Virtual Machine.Yes it can also be used in a networked environment, but that obviously got challenges for gaming because of the latency. But again, this is about using it with your LOCAL PC.

[@seylaw]

Isn't SR-IOV a professional feature meant for professional cards?! Where is the incentive for the vendors to bring this functionality down to the masses? It might be a problem for them in terms of product differentiation between their professional and gaming cards after all. Or businesses start buying the gaming cards if that is all the extra functionality they need...

[@cataria3903]

yes we want! yes i want. there is no windows 10, so the only way forward is gnu/linux and running that dumpster microsoft os as vm with sr-iov on one gpu. imagine seeing oem systems send with this beauty, well one can dream...

[@NH3rrm4nn]

Secret Sauce Will Not Be Open'd U'p. Way too much freedom there slow down cowboy!

[@jkay9793]

But, what is cloud gaming?

[@SavageArms357]

This is different from cloud gaming. A consumer (gaming) GPU with SR-IOV enabled would mean that you could perfectly emulate Windows in a VM with Linux has the base OS. It'd be similar to GPU-Passthrough, but without the hassle or the requirement for 2 seperate GPU's. This would all be done on a single computer, and would not use the internet.

[@jackfoobar5794]

Ahead of the curve. Brought to you by Wendel, in America's parking lot.

[@Jonamission]

Why can you only like video's once?

[@ShiroKage009]

The problem with virtualization for the consumer desktop is latency and how shit the internet infrastructure in the US is. Imagine a 100ms latency in rendering of all things. That would make your single player games miserable.

[@m_sedziwoj]

I wake up, and I think is not good time for this video.

[@ThunderKat]

The real future of gamming is not virtual servers. Unless they fix the latency issues, gamming on a external server is a no go. I would bet more chips on movile gamming and multi-cores CPU giving a boost to GPUs on games, like prerender effects you see on movies or more advance arquitecture to take some of the load away from the GPU (advance computing).

[@Level1Techs]

In this case SR-IOV enables gaming locally with multiple different operating systems, simultaneously. No network latency because no network.

[@ThunderKat]

Thk for the answer o/ But yhea that SR-IOV is beyond my understanding to be honest, I was just talking about virtual gaming on servers. If it comes to playing old games using hardware virtualization, like running DOS I would say there are tools for this but company don't care to develop a perfect software to run them under a virtual environement. There is this thing call game emulators, some are design to run on a raspberry and they come with a 1TB pack of games, they are allready config to run more than 20 consoles in one single programs, even with a cool spinwheel. Is all about good software when it comes to light software, we allready have that extra power to emulate them. PS3 and PS4 emulator could also be a thing, but they will cut the hands of any programmer making a perfect emulator for this types of consoles :P

[@SavageArms357]

This is very different from an emulator, or even WINE on Linux. What SR-IOV would enable you to do, is essentually use a Windows VM with full GPU acceleration, all on a single PC and a single GPU, with Linux as the base OS.

[@MikeG-js1jt]

Ryan has a touch of turtle DNA........is Ryan on chemotherapy....what happened to his hair?

[@rolandddd]

As a Linux gamer, I don't think virtualization is a solution for consumers. Some of the reasons I don't want to run Windows are privacy/freedom concerns, the fact that windows is fat (RAM/CPU usage, disk usage and bandwidth usage for updates) and the general poor user experience that regularly gets in the way. Running a virtualized windows, I still have ALL of those problems. And I have to maintain 2 systems. The only advantage is that Microsoft's invasion on my privacy is limited to my gaming life. Not worth the tradeoff in my opinion. I'll keep playing the limited number of games available natively on Linux, and I'll keep popping painkillers everytime a friend asks me to play a windows-only game.

[@Nightowl_IT]

ReactOS ^^ Wendel

[@NotSoCrazyNinja]

I detached myself from most gaming because I hate Windows so much. The hatred developed when I was repairing and upgrading computers as well as rescuing older computers. When I learned about the existence of Linux and learned the ins and outs, Linux is clearly a superior operating system. I've used Linux on all my computers and laptops for the last decade. If that means I can't play certain games, oh well. Games are fun, but not worth the stress of dealing with Windows. Game developers who develop games only for Windows can keep their games. Hardware developers who make it impossible to use their hardware on Linux can keep their hardware. Of course, with me sticking to Linux, I have become behind on computer technology simply because I don't have to repair or upgrade my computer very often. My current computer was built around 2008. It still runs perfectly fine and plenty fast for everything I do. It can run Windows 10 (I tried out of curiosity) but it's sluggish and after using Linux for so long, Windows feels like you're jailed. You have little control over how Windows 10 operates.

[@christoffer631]

Noice

[@DoctorValium]

Is it only me, or is the video totally unsynced?

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

Been hearing about how X11 forwarding and thin clients are just around the corner for decades now, and the price/performance never works out. I will say that the prospect of running TempleOS may tip the scales, though.

[@TommyPeel]

I'd love to run Linux on my gaming rig, but until I can run Windows games on it without a lot of screwing around I'll stick with Windows. I'll be on board when I can "apt install" a package to make it work.

[@SavageArms357]

If this technology ever gets put into consumer grade GPU's, it would theoretically be as simple as setting up a regular VM of Windows.

[@TommyPeel]

Sheriff Blatz That would be pretty awesome. I could probably get GPU passthrough working, but it's not worth the effort and headache to me. Maybe one weekend I'll feel ambitious and give it a try.

[@Jinni_SD]

Too bad I'm married to macOS for work. Is there anyway to fully run a macOS app in Linux with full hardware integration?

[@CalvinJary]

Yeah British Columbia is not really part of Britain. Kinda like how New Mexico isn't part of Mexico and New England isn't part of England. Not that crazy Wendel!

[@MrMoxes]

So network based "graphics" or Gaming? Pretty cool in theory but I'd be hard pressed to trust any ISP with my FPS.

[@MrMoxes]

Plus, the linchpin is "optimized development". If they don't want to support something, you could be SOL. Sorry a lot of maybes under a tinfoil hat.

[@cowardly_wizard]

Graphics sharing was what he talked about, yes, but he means in system not over internet. Explanation may be irrelevant but a typical gaming graphics card esp those from Nvidia don't like virtualization in any form. But for just 600$ more you can get a Quadro that runs like a 1080 but you can assign a portion of it to some virtual machines essentially "having" more than one card for the purpose of running many workstations off of a single machine or running a Windows vm for games through Linux

[@MrMoxes]

Two Good I admit, I was being cyniclly sarcastic. But regardless of what system is utilized, it would still require networking of some back end. It has great potential, also could be a dead end tech. Really cool either way. Wendell is very excited about it, so must be good.

[@daviddupoise6443]

It works amongst virtual machines contained in one server, a cluster, or over a LAN. Theoretically over WAN but really, why would you

[@MrMoxes]

David Dupoise Well regardless of network, "should" work but how well I wonder. Gotta sell everything in order to bring adoption.

[@pt8306]

Not being locked-in is bad for big, sloppy, useless companies that know they can't compete. Don't expect them to play along. Legitimate competition is what they hate the most. I expect Microsoft to actively try to destroy this technology as it will likely make a large number of people leave Windows for good

[@fubarru2]

linux-steam-SR-iov = Windows Banned

[@Mr.-Toad]

Sigh no consumer sr iov...

[@spacejaga]

Windows .... whatever current version is..... Well yeah for those watching video in 2023 on Windows 11 RC :D

[@hongtanke]

oh god... templeOS

[@captapraelium1591]

I hate to be that guy, but latency is a real concern. Even if it's only one frame. Plus, the people developing SRIOV don't care for our desire to ditch windows, eu contraire. This tech has some time before it's fast enough to work, and then, it will be used to centralise gaming and take our workstations away.

[@SavageArms357]

The idea is that if there was a consumer (gaming) GPU on the market that had SR-IOV enabled, any Linux user would be able to perfectly emulate Windows with full gaming/application performance, without the need to dual-boot or use GPU Passthrough (which already works well for gaming, but requires 2 GPUs and is a hassle to set up. Wendell already has videos on that subject). There would be no network or off-site server, it would all work on a single computer.

[@Level1Techs]

Capta Praelium latency floor is less than 2 ms for 4k frames, assuming we get to dma based kernel modules that do the copying. Userland copies are less than 5ms for 4k. About 1ms for 1080p.

[@captapraelium1591]

Holy crap, what? Last video of yours I watched it was lagging by a full frame at least. Even in this one there is footage of it lagging entire frame(s). 1ms is good enough. Nice work!! I stand corrected! I still fear that this kind of tech is more likely to be leveraged for game 'streaming' services than to liberate us from windows. I hope I'll be wrong about that too.

[@jkazos]

There will always be plenty of games and other applications that are not latency-sensitive, and everyone will have their own threshold anyway. Something that is not adequate 100% of the time may still be adequate 80% of the time, or even 50%, and 50% is a lot when you consider an entire industry.

[@KeeperOfKale222]

“For a small monthly fee you’ll have access to all these games!”

[@steven44799]

linux has never quite gotten the "assume the user is an idiot or has no idea what they are doing" thing right. you need to be able to sit someone that has no idea what they are doing infront of it and have them work out how to do most things, there also needs to be more consistency, too much fragmentation (while good for some things is not so great for mass adoption) unless these things (and others) are sorted out its never going to become mainstream. OSX and windows for the most part do this well, things are fairly intuitive.

[@StrikerBOII]

Steven W Linux is a powertool, your case is that it needs to be noob-friendly, and that is just like giving a F1 car to a grandma to compete

[@MrDavibu]

I don't think so, Windows isn't intuitive, I would go further and argue Linux is pretty intuitive. Linux has just a higher learning curve than other OSs. But if you get into it it's easier than other OSs, I think that's the reason why Linux is even popular in the Desktop market. I think Linux users are much more pragmatic thinking than you think. But I think you are right about the fragmentation and consistency(It's not really that unintuitiv, but more than often really disheartening)

[@Qyngali]

I moved my 78 year old mom over to Linux and she's never been happier. And no, she's never driven an F1 car. :P She reboots it when it tells her that it's needed, and I put all the stuff she needs in one place. No more auto reboots to install an update that makes her go crazy because what she was working on the day before suddenly disappeared etc etc. Of course she's not the heaviest user, but it's so easy to use that she uses it more than her ipad now, while when she was on W10 it was the opposite. You mileage might vary of course, some people scream bloody murder if you move an icon on their desktop one tile...

[@jangelelcangry]

Engaging Windows Whatever the current version is...

[@Mcspazatron]

What about WebAssembly and WebGL 2? I was thinking that this would be the future of gaming allowing full fledged Triple A comparable games to run straight out of the browser (like Firefox or Chrome). No matter the operating system or graphics driver.

[@alexandreperfeito6764]

SR-IOV The Future Of PC Gaming -- > Not Virtualization (Grapihics card) and Yes Emulation Grapihcs card of OS with DOESN"T Exist anymore !!!

[@spacejaga]

Sounds good, doesnt work... Simply put - basic human greed. Microsoft or Apple wont go for it. Windows will make everything to avoid supporting it because if games (and surely later on pro software) can be used on linux without redesign then windows is pretty much becomes one of the worst choices for OS. There is literally nothing in Windows outside of software selection and you want to take that away? Bill will spend every last penny on stopping that even if it means no more charity....

[@MsHojat]

Apple has huge reason to go for it; are you crazy? That said neither Apple nor Microsoft have much influence in the matter since it's all about GPU manufacturers supporting it or not. People overestimate the number of people who will switch to another OS if this gets support. The majority of people with computers don't game as-is. They wouldn't have any more reason to switch from Windows when that tech is supported compared to now. Then there's a large number of gamers out there that don't care that they're running Windows , and there will always be Windows-exclusive apps that don't necessarily run well/prefectly in Wine.

[@manyamaggot]

But that adds latency and traffic problems . Imagine the whole remote server going down because the next big single player game is released and nobody can play

[@SavageArms357]

What does SR-IOV on a consumer-grade GPU have to do with (internet?) traffic problems?

[@manyamaggot]

he talked about server farms , look at the drawings

[@SavageArms357]

Yeah, but that's just context of how SR-IOV is usually used right now in the business world. What Wendell wants is a consumer grade GPU with SR-IOV enabled, which would allow an individual with a Linux PC to perfecly emulate Windows with full performance (like for gaming), without the need to dual-boot, or require 2 GPU's for PCI-Passthough (and all the hassle that brings). None of this would involve off-site servers, it'd just be a single PC with a single GPU. Did you only watch part of the video? (genuine question, not trying to be insulting).

[@manyamaggot]

Sheriff Blatz no, I watched the entire thing I'm not just familiar with this tech. So it this virtualization done by gpu?

[@manyamaggot]

Sheriff Blatz also the diagram shows a gpu and a line that says network and then clients so it's done by intenrtrr or lan or some kind of network

[@Anton-cv2ti]

I'm just thinking that for regular consumers who don't necessarily have a separate server from their PC, SR-IOV is not going give them freedom to choose whatever OS they want. It is rather going to be progressive webapps, because webapps ensure a universal coding language that can run directly on any OS.

[@SavageArms357]

SR-IOV does not require a seperate server, it can be used with a VM on a single computer, similar to GPU-Passthrough, but without the hassle.

[@grizzly9960]

If this is the Future of Gaming I am finished with Gaming. Do you know how expensive this will be. Monthly payments to play + game charge + data charges. PC modding dead. NO THANKS!

[@Armatageshanks100]

Grizzly I completely agree

[@SavageArms357]

I think you're confused as to what SR-IOV implies. Wendell is saying that if GPU makers ever release a consumer GPU with SR-IOV available (instead of limiting it to workstation GPU's), it would mean you could perfectly emulate Windows on a Linux PC without the need to dual-boot, or mess about with GPU-Passthrough (which also requires a second GPU). Everything would still be on your PC, this has nothing to do with the Internet.

[@SavageArms357]

@ Allroy: I think you're confused as to what SR-IOV implies. Wendell is saying that if GPU makers ever release a consumer GPU with SR-IOV available (instead of limiting it to workstation GPU's), it would mean you could perfectly emulate Windows on a Linux PC without the need to dual-boot, or mess about with GPU-Passthrough (which also requires a second GPU). Everything would still be on your PC, this has nothing to do with the Internet.

[@KeeperOfKale222]

I feel that virtual machines are the future... which is really depressing and just one step closer to the Digital Dictatorship.