Is Star Trek Discovery No Longer Canon?

[@BeerontheBrain327]

The final episode of Discovery should have had Riker working in the officers mess, angrily throwing down a towel and declaring "This has got to be the worst holonovel ever"

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

Riker: Ok Barclay. It's all your now!

[@jjc4577]

that's an ending I can get behind.

[@allendean9807]

That would have been amazingly poignant

[@bodiless99]

That would have been EPIC!

[@andrewgoudy676]

And nothing of value was lost.

[@spadesofpaintstudios1719]

Voyager J

[@Beargeek616]

::flaming lower half of a jackass parade float, rams into the discovery:: The Critic Reference

[@Micah-y3n]

The artstyle was not bad, welllllll the Klingons were the problem, I loved the uniforms and the ships.

[@tintinismybelgian]

If we didn't watch it, was it ever really a show?

[@Th0ughtf0rce]

Not for me.

[@FalkFlak]

What Show? I never watched it 😊 ;-)

[@TheOmegaXicor]

@@FalkFlak like Pacific Rim: Uprising it is just a fan-fic that has a high enough budget some people have confused it with canon

[@hangontravellers2584]

The look of the klingons is the least of the problems of std.

[@8Biit]

Its the itching and the burning thats the worst part.

[@bobdobalina8910]

Still trying to figure out how Spock, a weak confused woke vulcan, had a sister named REY the BESTEST EVER! Female Centric was another. Klingons might have broke the Top 10.

[@collegeman1988]

When I saw those pictures of what were supposed to be Klingons, I knew I would never watch STD, ever.

[@bobdobalina8910]

@@collegeman1988 Who would ever want a STD?

[@TheNetwork]

They finally cured that STD

[@ColonelSandersLite]

Eh, not really. By this standard, everything from TOS onwards is non-cannon.

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

- just decanonize this dam series! - NOOOOO! .... - you broke your little ships. See you around cpt. Mickey. - ...the quest for money, but in the end it destroyed him and that farancise. - i guess he just didn't know when to quit

[@Keledorn]

I swear, every time I see the STD Klingons, I can't help but think the designer "tweaked" the design of the Uruk-Hai from Lord of the Rings.

[@borgstod]

Genestealers from Warhammer 40K seemed to be an influence.

[@NitpickingNerd]

he admitted he was "inspired" by Giger's xenomorph design . that's why they had elongated heads and weird dimples all over their bodies

[@TheOmegaXicor]

@@borgstod I mean that makes sense, they do impersonate the native species 🤣

[@davidszeremi1786]

Kinda like how monsters appear in 300 a historical fiction about the Persian invasion of Greece?

[@daveknight8410]

Inspired yeh right 🤢🤮​@NitpickingNerd

[@RJ420NL]

STD never was canon.

[@Arvyn992]

It never was

[@Pyratemime]

Nothing from Abrams or Kurtzman is canon. It is an alternate license fanfic.

[@dreamworld009]

lol😊

[@davfree9732]

@@Pyratemime The only thing that can be canon is LD... because if LD is classic continuity, then STD isn't. And tbh, the fans identified STD as alt continuity due to how they wrote the show... Kurtzman's countdown comic showing how he approached Trek as a franchise, writers not being able to maintain their own continuity... and so on.

[@williampotter3369]

hahaha never realized the name shorted to that

[@g-unit7625]

The best Christmas Gift for Trekkies ever.

[@davfree9732]

Now I know what my new years resolution is going to be... Encourage the de-canonisation of PIC, SNW, S31, SFA... and... All of KK's SW content.

[@Azaleus19]

@@davfree9732 I wonder if it would even be possible to salvage Doctor Who. If anything it would be quite the treat to see all the woke psychos have their meltdowns.

[@draco-amercon]

I would say second best the best gift for to be an actual time travel incident were JJ Abrams and Alex kurtzman were abducted by aliens before they could defile Star Trek and fired into the sun for their transgressions. Ho ho in hell kirkman trek.

[@john-lenin]

Discovery is the ONLY Star Trek show for adults rather than 45-year-old losers.

[@kertagin1]

@@john-lenin right go from interesting thought provoking writing and acting that built and maintained a franchise for decades to juvenile shock writing suitable for jackass..... yup its the trek fans that are the losers

[@mattcarper9853]

If true, and not hyperbole; this is excellent news.

[@davidszeremi1786]

It's wishful thinking.

[@videofox]

Saru was the only character I liked. That being said, I always considered STD to be just one of the alternate realities hinted at in the TNG episode "Parallels" regardless of what the producers claimed. To quote Skeletor in the 1987 MOTU movie, "Everything comes to he who waits...and I have waited SO very long for THIS moment."

[@1jotun136]

My bestie and I feel the same way. Saru was about the only reason I watched.

[@thatHARVguy]

JJ had the sense to have his Trek in an alternate universe. Kurtzman's ego went too far as to overwrite Roddenberry. 🤦‍♂

[@Wowflunky]

saru was definitely a neat alien creation to add to the Star Trek universe... to bad it ended up in STD. They could have went somewhere if it was in voyager, DS9 or Enterprise.

[@skyserf]

@@videofox _Until we meet again!_

[@ahabicher]

"STD"? Puh....

[@HoundMonkey]

Plot twist IT WAS NEVER CANNON!

[@jiminverness]

Nor Canon for that matter...

[@TheVigilante2000]

@@jiminverness No better, it's Canon that it's not Canon!

[@davidszeremi1786]

​@@TheVigilante2000that's actually impossible.

[@GeofftheIronwolf]

Lower Decks, perhaps I was too harsh.

[@HoundMonkey]

Right, I think even the concept of the show was garbage but this is one thing I will give them credit for.

[@ParkerCS2]

@@HoundMonkey exactly this is how you do parody correctly that still honors the source material. This is just as big a jump in quality as Picard S3 was in comparison to S1&2 which were terrible whereas S3 was really good and completely ignored those previous seasons. Picard isn’t a comedy/parody but you get my point.

[@Rabbithole8]

@@ParkerCS2 Picard 3 didn't completely ignore the previous seasons. It was still saddled by them. It certainly was a return to actual Star Trek but it still had issues even beyond its connection to Nu-Trek. That being said it was good. However, if Star Trek were to be handed over to people who actually understand it, my hope is that they decanonize everything that Kurtzman had his fingers in including all the seasons of Picard.

[@ParkerCS2]

@ yeah and as much as people like Rogue one and Andor everything from Disney Star Wars needs to be decanonized as well.

[@jenniferhanses]

@@ParkerCS2 I think Andor and Rogue One could be left alone just fine. They didn't do anything and are prequels. It's all the stuff in a post-VI world that's a problem. Oh, and the Solo movie.

[@kazekamiha]

Now; can we get rid of the rest of Secret Hideout's waste?

[@exilestudios9546]

no, starfleet academy will literally pick up where season 5 left off and lets not forget that strange new worlds is a spinoff of discovery

[@XiahouJoe]

so it isn't canon either. Isn't it great

[@Jeff-cn9up]

STD is cancer, not canon. It could never BE canon, just like Abrams' trash, because that would break the REAL Star Trek shows.

[@HoundMonkey]

STD was an alien growth on Kirk's pecker that Dr. McCoy had to cut off after he spent a wild weekend on a new planet.

[@thatHARVguy]

JJ had the sense to have his Trek in an alternate universe. Blowing up Romulas, yeah, that never happened Spielberg from Temu.

[@idjtoal]

@@thatHARVguy 😆🤣🖖

[@davidszeremi1786]

​@@thatHARVguyaccording to CBS and the keepers of cannon. Romulus was destroyed in the official timeline.

[@philipsharp-garcia4448]

The new Starfleet Academy show is a continuation of Discovery, its set in the 32nd Century. And the new Section 31 movie stars a STD character. So your argument makes no sense. You might as well try to claim Wrath of Khan isn’t canon because of the Chekov continuity issue. It’s a bad argument.

[@kapa1611]

don't ruin christmas ;)

[@solarchos4352]

HAIL DOOMCOCK!! He's been waiting for this moment for years.

[@madambutterfly1997]

Not to mention the K-pop Klingons

[@DocWolph]

The "Blingons"? That is written off as just ethnicity. They dress different. What is the beef with that?

[@saulschimek7680]

I'm sorry, what?

[@MiguelFarah]

@@saulschimek7680 You DO NOT want to know. Trust us.

[@davidszeremi1786]

I loved that

[@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV]

Have you ever met anyone who considered Discovery canon?? They are just avoiding hassle by 'retroactively' making it non-canon like Trek fans always considered it.

[@Shiirow]

I dont consider Lowered Intelligence canon either.

[@karsten_m]

Yes, the person who banned me for life from /r/startrek over a joke about their favourite show.

[@davidszeremi1786]

That isn't what happened. Urukhai Klingons are now cannon in any reality connected to LD not to mention strange new worlds is directly connected to STD

[@Maverick8t88]

STD could’ve been a good sci fi show. It had some interesting ideas. But not as a Star Trek show. They tried to fit a square peg into a round hole.

[@Nagtloper431]

Had they only put the round peg in the square hole…

[@Taladar2003]

Honestly, it was just badly written. The people in that show would have never qualified as crew on a ship in any universe, Star Trek or not.

[@phrymcdunstan]

Or the arch peg, or the cylinder peg...

[@BlazingOwnager]

The thing Discovery broke the most was introducing "The Burn." They basically damned the entire universe to a fate that renders anything done in it until that point worthless. That's pretty much unfixable. Also anyone who watched Face/Off back in the day and got judged poorly by Glenn Hetrick can really look back and laugh given he made those Discovery Klingons.

[@ValiantWrestling]

Nah, the whole show was trash from the start, klingorcs, a human who thinks she's a vulcan, a terran empire tyrant being recruited in section 31. It was a dumb show, written by hacks who think they have actual writing talent. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@ValiantWrestling Oh no, I think it did *tons* of terrible things. I horribly dislike what they did to section 31 for example. But The Burn.. that's a dead end for the entire franchise that cannot be ignored, unless the timeline is wiped.

[@Guardian582]

@@ValiantWrestling worse a human who thinks shes a vulcan who goes off emotioanlly at every little hiccup

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@Guardian582 Have you seen the SNW next season teaser? I almost watched that show then I saw them give the crew a shot that changed their hairstyle and immediately gave them decades of cultural biases. It was painful.

[@Guardian582]

@@BlazingOwnager i havent seen any of it thankfully, after STD i stopped watching, i thought it might be better in season 3, watch1 ep and was like nope still crap

[@welme23]

Never saw it as canon to begin with.

[@Spotcats]

Anyone that says they like STD is NOT a life long Trek fan. They lied to you.

[@kapa1611]

they like the "franchise" not the show, as long as it has the Star Trek logo, they like it🤣

[@Hurricanelive]

Great Scott! ERASED!🤷‍♂ Let's go get some 10 cent cheeseburgers Marty.

[@madambutterfly1997]

Truly a Servant's answered prayer

[@DD8842]

In the lower decks movie we need a moment where Q just tells people to stuck to there own universe

[@achromat666]

Watched a couple episodes from the first season, saw how terrible it was, bailed. My wife and I watched the second one one due to her love of Spock and despite the fact that that whole season only has Pike, Spock and number One as decent characters, it was still shit. My wife, who is a truly devoted fan of this series managed to get through the whole first season of Strange New Worlds, bless her heart, and was disgusted. The sooner it's gone from canon, the better.

[@HoundMonkey]

I forced myself to watch the first season and it was an excruciatingly painful experience.

[@Name-ps9fx]

I like SNW. Most of the episodes were actually pretty good, with good morality/Prime Directive questions, and clever use of the Transporter for the Dr's daughter. And the Gorns! Quite well done for fear and suspense, historical background!

[@aengusmacnaughton1375]

@@Name-ps9fx -- Weren't the Gorns unknown when seen in the TOS episode 'Arena' -- so how can they be in SNW?

[@adrianokury]

When I first saw the first movie featuring the new Klingons back in 1815, there was no conflict in my mind. I understood right away that the updated makeup was a physical realization of what TOS couldn't achieve due to budget and time limitations. In the 1960s, they went for a Spanish conquistador look, but they didn't even bother to shape the brows or darken the faces of the regular Klingons-only the bosses got that treatment. And even then, sometimes they didn’t bother covering the actors' original eyebrows. Just look at 2:05!

[@ParkerCS2]

I guess we should apologize to Lower Decks.

[@meatbagspaai6370]

Personally? I highly recommend Lower Decks, it's a pretty funny parody of Star Trek that still captures a lot of the heart of the series, and is clearly made with a lot of love for the 80's-90's run* *In season 2 onwards. Season 1 is total dogshit and should be skipped.

[@ParkerCS2]

@@meatbagspaai6370 👍👍

[@ignaciotejos-p2o]

@@meatbagspaai6370 The truth is I always liked it and I understand the complaints about putting it in the canon along with almost all modern Star Trek and I always thought that if it was its own thing being a parody similar to Galaxy Quest or Orville it would have been better received. Saying this it had more good things than one would think and yes it made fun of almost everything in the franchise but it felt well-intentioned not to mention that it put the federation as it should be a force of peace and understanding in the galaxy even with its flaws and yes I agree that it improves after the second season especially where they deconstruct Mariner calling her worst defects and animating her best qualities. PS: My favorite episode is the end of the same 2nd season

[@Melkur1981]

I don't really enjoy the humour, but it was alright. Better than STD

[@jasonreynolds6643]

It’s OK to not watch a bad show. Then it’s canon status is irrelevant

[@zenmaster6780]

We’re still watching the original series again. It holds up. Haven’t seen anything after DS9

[@theritchie2173]

So basically this episode was a dose of penicillin.

[@joshuabekel9700]

In my head it always took place in the Discoverse.

[@martinkunz7155]

Star Trek ended with Enterprise. Everything afterwards is just fan fiction / cashgrabs

[@Buckdawg]

Unfortunately, it means nothing. If Discovery is no longer "canon" because of Lower Decks, it means Strange New Worlds is no longer "canon" because it crossed over with Discovery, which also means Lower Decks is no longer "canon" because it crossed over with Strange New Worlds... So it essentially "uncanonised" itself, and any idea within it. bit of a paradox lol Not that it even matters, Discovery has always been an alternative timeline. Once you accept that, it becomes much easier to put up with.

[@Destron1001il]

If Discovery is non cannon then Strange New World is not cannon then Lower Decks is not cannon as they are all connected - this is not important as ALL of Kurtzman Trek is Not Cannon

[@kevinkorenke3569]

Pretty much, everything Star Trek starting with the reboot from JJ Abrams abandoned all of the core tenants that made the original series, movies, TNG, DS9 and yes, even Voyager great. They took what was science fiction for grown-ups and reverted it back to car chases in space and stupid characters doing stupid things just to further a stupid plot.

[@JamesYale1977]

@@kevinkorenke3569lol still sniping on voyager...damn you nerds are insufferable. Voyager was the best show on a crazy network destined to fail.

[@kevinkorenke3569]

@ the writing Voyager was problematic. They tried way too hard to go back to adventure of the week type writing, and while there were parts of the series that were outstanding it definitely held it back. If you like, we can talk about the intentional choices not to progress certain characters like Ensign Kim because a writer decided he didn’t like the actor of all things. The show wasn’t bad, but it definitely suffered from an attempt to bring back to episodic style writing. Look at the year of hell mini story. It was a great opportunity to show the long-term effects that Voyager and her crew should have been suffering being that far from support. Instead, at the end of that mini story, they simply hit the reset button and everything was back to normal. It’s OK, people are allowed to have different opinions from you. The important part is how you back it up. You could either call people nerds or you can go into details and have a discussion.

[@NekoBoyOfficial]

5:07 Sounds like what kept Discovery going was Trekkies cope watching.

[@kapa1611]

🤣

[@Aequitas_RJ]

Merry Christmas, Movie House!! Merry Christmas, Emporium. Merry Christmas, you old building and Loan!!

[@juanelevin1114]

Brilliant!

[@geekmastermind]

Worf's explanation of the change in Deep Space Nine's "Trials and Tribble-ations" remains the best. Glad that STD finally got cleared up.

[@Rabbithole8]

It was a bit jokey. It actually doesn't make a lot of sense as no one knows why the Klingons look they way they do, not even O'Brien and Bashir. As Starfleet officers they would have that information. They never saw footage of any kind of the past?

[@billcox8870]

I have no problem with STD and the related shows being in their own separate inaccessible reality

[@ExWEIMan]

And they can keep their spores and spinning ships in a bottle so as they can never escape.

[@krashlyboo]

Great...now erase it from all human memory

[@jimbokilo]

Have not watched it since season one. Trek would never allow a war criminal to be its lead and hero.

[@davidszeremi1786]

Actually that's because Lorca was a war criminal.

[@unformedeight]

Discovery had 3 seasons? Been avoiding new trek so completely forgot that Lower Decks dude can also deflect by saying his own show is in an alternate universe

[@Red_Four]

Discovery had five seasons, each worse than the last.

[@unformedeight]

@Red_Four Oh wow, much like with the MCU I have no idea how much post infinity war stuff there is

[@kapa1611]

ikr, i watched the first couple of episodes and never looked at it again 🤣

[@drunkdealer583]

It's about damn time. Buh-bye, Mikey Spock.

[@jamesdumouchel6243]

Fun way to move it to a different time-line

[@lockwoodthexton]

Mikey Spock is not compelling. Stupid crap.

[@mikegyro]

Should've fixed star wars too

[@snagletoothscott3729]

Sooo....Lower Decks. Not the Star Trek we wanted, but, apparently ,the Star Trek we *needed*

[@JamesYale1977]

And so many people watched it that they had to renew it?!?

[@chrisbaker8533]

The only 'canon' is TOS, TNG, DS9, and voyager. Everything else, is just fanfic with a budget.

[@jonsquare1248]

Agreed.

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

ENT was not against canon so...

[@petriew2018]

funny, completely unsurprising, but funny. The writing on discovery was so terrible, it's world building such nonsense, and it's continuity so broken that it was a complete dead end for the franchise. Kurtzman and his minions cared so little even for their own storylines that the show could not reconcile with itself, much less the wider star trek canon... so yeah, totally not surprising that as soon as Kurtzman was gone so was his mary sue power fantasy Though the funniest thing about this is how little anyone actually cares. Even the usual shill sites who fawned over STD while it was running can't be arsed to feign outrage. It's just gone and nobody bats an eyes Gives you a sliver of of hope for the other franchises.... not much, but a sliver.

[@sirsia]

Mike McMahon is using 5d Q scale engagement troll tech on us!

[@dramaticwords]

The changes to the Klingons were far from the worst thing about STD. Besides, they never explained why the Klingon heads shrunk between seasons.

[@skyserf]

1:25 I thought Affliction was a good explanation and retcon.

[@projektkobra2247]

Me too!!..

[@superzentredi]

It wasn't erased from canon.... it never was canon.

[@tywalraven4936]

And now we never, ever have to watch, talk about, listen, or pay attention in any way to what will henceforth be referred to as “that show.”

[@JeremySeanH]

Canon is a foreign concept to showrunners

[@KonEl17]

Wasn't there an Ep in TNG where Worf regressed to a proto Klingon?

[@Arcboltkonrad13]

Yes. We have seen dozens of alternate universe people over the years. Heck, we see a few others in LD in the episode mentioned here and several episodes before hand. Discovery also has an episode where you see an alternate reality/timeline Starfleet officer.

[@Einwetok]

S7 E19 Genesis.

[@grewntd]

Lower Decks is gold

[@davidaynes5023]

No, it isn't. Now if we can just get rid of the whole J.J. time line. All would be right with the world. Startrek anyway.

[@donaldsmith8648]

Another great video my fellow chicagoan

[@lorenzo3207]

I love Star Trek, but Star Trek Discovery 🤢🤢 is a dumpster 🔥🔥🔥

[@daveknight8410]

Disco has never been canon or star trek . There has been no consistency no thought no sense no good writing

[@Shiirow]

now we just need to make anything trek past '09 into non canon. no more The Star and the Trekious movies. No more misadventures of Dom Kirk and Brian Spock as they space drift across the galaxy.

[@cujoedaman]

Space drifting reminds me of a picture I made once of the Enterprise slapped it right on top of a car frame with only wheels and an engine. I called it the Enterprise SE Refit. I made a whole magazine cover called "S.T.: Star Trek, the Magazine" (I was trying a play on words like the Space Balls merchandise). It was dumb, but I had a lot of fun with it :D

[@darwinxavier3516]

I would love for this to be true. It probably won't happen and will just be ignored to keep STD canon. Also keep in mind that SNW is canon to LD via the crossover. And SNW is inherently tied to S2 STD. Just like the 2 bad seasons of Picard are still connected to the good one.

[@JenniferMcMahonhawaii78]

FINALLY, and yes, Christmas Miracles Do Exist!!!

[@barriolimbas]

The perfect gift, for the Trek fan who has everything. Merry Christmas🎄

[@reyreyes7285]

This is a win. True Star Trek fans will take it.

[@robertdrash1105]

That theory disregards 2 things. Mariner and Boimler go back in time to Strange New Worlds, which share continuity with Discovery. The other thing is that I refuse to accept that Lower Decks is canon. I actually like the show, but you can't expect me to believe all that wacky nonsense actually shares a continuity with the rest of Trek.

[@BlazingOwnager]

And just like that, everyone who disliked Lower Decks is now it's biggest fan.

[@ParkerCS2]

We need it renewed to poke fun Jar Jar Abraham’s movies and the first 2 seasons of Picard next.

[@ValiantWrestling]

Nah, it's still toilet humour immature garbage. Just wish they'd disregard Discard, and Strange New Wokes as well.

[@HoundMonkey]

No I still think even the concept of the show is garbage but will I give them credit for this one positive thing.

[@BlueGrimgrin]

I'm not a huge fan of Lower Decks generally, but I will give it credit that it actually seemed to get what Star Trek (TOS - ENT) was doing, and seemed to have been written by people who actually watched and liked the previous shows. Or at least did a bunch of deep dives on Memory Alpha, because that show was constantly referencing the first Star Trek Animated Series. @HoundMonkey I don't think the concept isn't a bad one, per se, but it suffered from the same issue that The Orville ran into, namely that you can't easily build drama out of routine tasks handled more or less competently by the rank and file on a workhorse ship, so they start to become the centre of big events. I think Lower Decks really suffered from not having a good mainline Star Trek show airing at the same time. Like if there was a DS9 or even Voyager level Star Trek show airing at the same time as Lower Decks, I think it would have been much better received. Because then it would be the irreverent sideshow that's good for a chuckle, rather than being in the position of acting as a rodeo clown for fans pissed of about Discovery.

[@brettjunge5545]

Canon is what the fans believe. Not what the studio's want you to believe.

[@MrPonytron]

Best Christmas gift ever ❤

[@kissedbypalefirex]

i tried to watch at least two eps.....my mother is an old school trekkie....watched TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT....she didn't like STD. Nothing of Kurtzman-trek is canon. i despise Kurtzman & I HATED the character of "this is the power of math" Tilly.

[@swiggydiggy]

2:35 - and four nostrils. and no ears.

[@gardnerunderhill3661]

Frankly, the fans put way too much emphasis on this concept of canon. I have always treated the various versions of Trek as separate strains of canon, each unique to its own show. As long as they were self contained and consistent with the framework of that show, I had no problem with it. Now, I may not like the show, but I don’t get bent about if it is “CANON” or not. If it isn’t cancelled before being aired, I will bet dollars to donuts Star Trek fans are going to absolutely hate Section 31.

[@kapa1611]

totally agree

[@Stalazon]

This is a good take. Kudos, JSG.

[@twiztidsidfreak13]

For real Star Trek fans, this crap was never canon. Same with "lower decks". No one who grew up on TOS or TNG likes these new shows and think of them as part of the rest of the show.

[@KyleDornez]

Star Trek subreddit banned me for saying that STD obviously doesn't look like it's in the same continuity and has to be its own timeline. But then again, it's not like I'm watching Lower Decks either.

[@desmondkilroy8181]

Disco’s first season was the worst thing I’ve ever seen. Spock’s human sister. Teleporting space fungus. Giant space water bears. They went to the mirror mirror universe plot line by the third episode. The Harry Mudd Groundhog Day episode. That people didn’t get fired is proof to me that the heads of networks and streaming services don’t actually watch most of the crap they make.

[@kapa1611]

couldn't agree more. the show also felt dingy and the characters were unlikable

[@Decibrelle]

Discovery and new worlds are so bad series…

[@noahstackhouse9818]

The scene with the Discovery Klingons in Lower Decks was just a fun easter egg. Some people's biases have just made them read too much into it.

[@titfortatpeterpan]

pffff finally someone wake up

[@BigGator5]

One can hope. 😮

[@DraconX3]

Discovery is erased Hallelujah

[@MrChupacabra555]

As much as we would like it to be true, the simple fact is that there is No Way Paramount would allow a throw away scene in the final episode of an 'animated comedy' version of Star Trek invalidate all the time (and money) they put into trying to make Discovery a hit.

[@trainsplanesmore]

"Star Trek" ended when Gene Roddenberry stopped being involved with the TV shows and movies. Same with "Star Wars" ending as soon as George Lucas stopped being involved.

[@shadexdemarr]

Now can we do this for Star Wars?

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

Kyle Katarn: they did that already

[@Praxics0815]

I always liked Lower Decks. Even when everyone said it isn't Star Trek and how this show is just like all the other poorly animated comedy shows out there: Shit. But I also always said that I see Lower Decks as a parody of Star Trek despite it caring the very name. I completely decoupled that show from the Star Trek I grew up with and fond of which is TNG, DS9 and Voyager. To me it is a silly parody show pocking fun at the tropes, plot holes, some seriously outlandish concepts and technobabble of Star Trek. Because Star Trek at times is actually really silly. Has anyone ever watched one of those "out of context" Star Trek cuts? It is hilarious! I still like the serious content in Star Trek and I can get passionate about the holly trinity of the 90ies. But it is a TV show and not some untouchable holy grail, I can laugh about the ridiculous side of it as well. I never got why people called Lower Decks a show made by people who hate Star Trek. Lower Decks is the only "NuTrek" I actually enjoyed watching despite the parody aspect of it. Like GalaxyQuest: Silly and a comedy but actually still celebrating the people, fans and ideas behind it. And now comes the BUT: Even when the show runner comes out clear as day I will not take anything in Lower Decks as canon. I don't care. To me Lower Decks is not canon. And like I said I actually really like the show. I haven't seen the last season yet because they removed that from freely included to requiring Paramount+ and how do I say that in a friendly manner? - I will rather die in fiery crash while being raped by cactuses into every orifice of my body before I pay for any additional streaming services.

[@blankblank8424]

I sent a message to a buddy of mine that watched and appreciated lower decks when I didn’t and told him. “I understand why it is beloved by you and many other fans.” I may not get the same enjoyment from it, but I can see where the care was put into the show. And they are not only ok, but in their fully in their right to enjoy the show to the fullest extent.

[@XDaddyBender]

I like to believe that there are just desolate moons with Tribble dumping grounds on them from other starships.

[@stevew8513]

Here's what I think happened... CBS and Paramount were split up, and CBS ended up with Star Trek. When Paramount wanted to make the 2009 Star Trek movie, they had to license Star Trek from CBS, resulting in the Kelvin universe where all the designs were 25% different for legal reasons. So CBS wants to make a new Star Trek show, but Paramount is pissed off because it used to be their property and they want a piece of the money from it. Maybe to stop any legal action from happening, CBS sub-licenses Star Trek from Paramount's license for Star Trek, so Paramount is getting a chunk of change from the show but legally tying up CBS's options on being in the original Trek universe. So all the Discovery designs had to be 25% different from Paramount's 2009 movies which were all 25% different from the "Prime" universe for legal reasons. I think it's also the reason why the rights to Star Trek would be so hard for an outside company to purchase, since there's so many legal hoops to jump through to acquire all of Star Trek between different spun-off divisions of Viacom. I wish Bryan Fuller would fill us in on what went on leading up to him abandoning the show before its launch.

[@merrillslaven6921]

SNW already gave up the ghost and made Dis and SNW non-canon.

[@thatHARVguy]

S2E3 "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow". It was a delayed Eugenics War timeline. Throw Picard in there too. No matter how much people say S3 was good, S1 & 2 exist and they were total shit.

[@alfredosaint-jean9660]

Canon is not determined by anyone, it literally means "measure stick". It checks if something has the conditions to be part of the main corpus, is not a decision.

[@FiliusFidelis]

Didn't watch that much of STD, but one of the many things that bothered me with the series is that even though it is a prequel they seemed to be a lot more technologically advanced than TOS, and no not talking about the sets and special effects.

[@jmace2424]

It never was canon imho

[@gwgux]

We should all enjoy this holiday gift given to us by Lower Decks while we can. Who knows what they'll screw up next year, but for now, we can at least end the year on a happy note and that's all that matters right now.

[@Hjered_of_Reno]

And didn’t the Cerritos’ doc say that klingon ships didn’t really change? It was when they noticed the klingon flagship wasn’t changing.

[@masondelmundo6150]

I've probably purchased less than 5 DC comics in my 38 years on this planet; I plan on buying this. DC knows what they're doing, at least in this instance. Soooooo many people, myself included, will buy this for the novelty alone.

[@JimmyJazzDystopian]

Does this mean snw isn’t cannon? That’s great

[@bakenpancakes]

I liked Discovery and watched it with my dad. I must say that it works much better as an alternative time line, treated as non-cannon, because of the inconsistencies with the established lore and events.

[@adiv8145]

Discovery and SNW are why, after over 30 years, I stopped calling myself a trekkie.