Is taxing worth it? Tax explained in Stronghold Crusader

[@MrStrelecek]

I love how I'm learning core game mechanics 20 years after playing this gem

[@belghun43]

same

[@seaweedisvegetable8465]

and some guide at misty river is abandoning his castle to win

[@feynstein1004]

Lol me too. The creators really nailed it with this game. Too bad they couldn't follow it up with something just as good.

[@mateuszmilo4712]

hahhaha same

[@jarlfenrir]

@@feynstein1004 Actually I really liked Crusader 2

[@the_diplomat51]

Never thought I'd see the day where Stronghold guides in YT would finally be a thing 🔥

[@Ugh718]

'Tis a beautiful sight to behold isn't it?Ah the good old days lol

[@tomaszk.6065]

Wow, I never noticed that player advantage affects taxes. On a small note, "low taxes" actually cost 3 popularity, because "no taxes" are +1 and not 0. Cool channel btw, keep up the good work!

[@feynstein1004]

Eh I don't think we need to factor in opportunity cost here.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

I didn't even know player advantage was a thing in that game

[@alekto101]

@@bipstymcbipste5641 same same

[@ariamojahed9076]

That is exactly what Wolf does due to fear factor, ale and church (and cathedral in certain castle designs) which makes a lot of sense now!

[@ashiok]

Important consideration though: Negative fear factor penalizes your troop's combat efficiency by 5% per increment of fear factor. So, if you are playing economically or not engaged under pressure, fear factor is worth it. But if you're on par with another player's economy, or surpassing it, then fear factor is somewhat detrimental at least insofar as you're constantly skirmishing.

[@aether3697]

"No taxes is one thing but... *_What about a small gift?_*

[@the_diplomat51]

Go on...

[@difaulhaqq5304]

"these taxes are unjust"

[@tahagi7006]

"You spoiled us my Lord"

[@fadhilyudistira8819]

"I, uh... I mean, we demand lower taxes now... or fairly soon at least"

[@UmarFarooq-yp7nd]

With You Paying Me This Much I Would Be Soon Able To Afford A Chair..

[@StinCrucing]

Damn.. wasn't aware difficulty level affects tax income, that explains something that always bothering me, ai seemingly getting more gold at the end of the match even with similar population/and or resources gathered

[@FirstnameLastname-py3bc]

No AI got more gold than me! I always destroyed their economy and sold so so so much of everything that... Lol But yeah it explains a lot

[@Teglamen]

neither did I know about that

[@FirstnameLastname-py3bc]

@@Teglamen who knew?

[@parenthesiscolon8706]

There is another strategy where you give half rations and tax as much as popularity allows and since you're giving them half rations you can sell breads wich is much better than giving more rations and getting more tax but negative fear factor is a much better approach as it increases rate of *all* productions. Thank you for this amazingly informative yet not time consuming video.

[@Jefflenious]

Glad you enjoyed! Yeah half rations or even no rations + max fear factor are most of the time the way to go. Taxing on maximum advantage can be good until -8 but on normal advantage they shouldn't be prioritized over other things imo

[@nikoszkariofilisz8300]

With fear factor your army will be much weaker, it doesn't matzer that much offline, but against real players it's a game changer.

[@nocomment6421]

Negative fear Factor kills your Army. But If you are fine with deleting and rebuilding you can just Change the -5 to +5 in Seconds before you get attacked or Attack an enemy.

[@dhavalpatil1515]

I wasn't aware difficulty level affects tax income.

[@AwakenedAvocado]

I wasn't even aware there is a difficulty level

[@Harrence18]

I am still playing this game for 2021. Still loving it

[@ryangainey94]

Interesting that this is verifying what I more or less figured out on my own already. The only real downside to having evil fear factor is combat effectiveness of troops at -25% and noting that Bad Things cost more than Good Things. The boost in production is more than enough to offset these downsides.

[@Rengor1997]

While you can always buy the weapons, fear factor at -5 is kinda insane with their production, as you get 2 weapons per trip instead of 1, a boost of 100%. I can't recall off the top of my head whether this is worth using your iron production for weapon production to turn in profit (again, assuming -5 fear factor for both), it's been a long time since I played, so that's worth researching. I think an interesting discussion is +5 fear factor vs -5 for overall game. Personally I think the economy boost of -5 is too big to ignore, even if it lowers the fighting effectiveness. My question is: could you potentially demolish every bit of fear factor before combat really begins to go back to 100% fighting strength or does that take time to update? And does "fighting effectiveness" only affect damage or both damage and health? Because if it's the former then we run into the same reason Colin is amazing in Advance Wars 2 - his units hit weaker, but they aren't any less durable while costing 20% less, meaning you get more of them.

[@typeunknown1540]

Yes, you can demolish all bad fear factor buildings and replace them with good fear factor buildings before attacking. And fear factor only affects attack damage, it doesn't affect unit health.

[@Rengor1997]

@@typeunknown1540 ok yeah negative fear factor is the way to go

[@Jefflenious]

Next video will be about fear factor, Both fear factors are insane at their job and yeah you can switch whenever you want

[@altaruss2838]

-5FF does not double weapon production, most buildings have production cycles averaging at 1.5 per delivery (1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2...). Fear factor only affects damage, so it affects f.e. assassins a lot, while pikemen are pretty much unaffected. +5FF is worth it as it's tied to your population rather than army, so you can first amass army, then cripple your population (-24 taxes, no rations, stop inns, etc.) which will make you loads of gold as well, then when you're at relatively low population, you can get +5FF pretty much for free.

[@whoawhoa4062]

Hey, so there's a mechanic that involves the strength of an AI correlating to the strength of their lord. Example: The lord of the rat is 50% weaker than your own lord (I think less hp rather than less damage), while the wolf's lord is 50% stronger than your own lord with what I assume is a gradient of strength varying from only a tad weaker to a tad stronger than your own lord is. I found this out by sending my lord out with my starting rushing units in some scenarios to ensure I manage to kill the enemy lord. A few times It ended up as just lord vs lord and I both won and lost fights that seemed even on the surface of it. I wonder if this also applies to anything else, like does the wolf have stronger fighting units as a baseline? To counter out the negative fear factor buildings he makes. Just something I think would be cool for you to look into so see in what small ways the AI might be cheating a little.

[@feynstein1004]

Lol I tried this sometimes too

[@TjoaWeiHan]

My Lord always goes for the kill. Assert Dominance.

[@AndrewCmc0]

thanks for those videos, they are all so useful. Please, keep doing this videos. Too much love for you

[@Noobtato_Channel]

2:20 this is the question I always ask to myself but too lazy to figure it out, now I have the answer, thank you for that :)

[@Jefflenious]

I didn't know the answer until I actually looked for it myself (For making this video)

[@99jean88]

"What's better: Taxes or selling food." Why not both?

[@modcube6352]

The most cruel lord🤣

[@lexlex44]

@@modcube6352 Or efficient, you can tax enough to make a profit, and enough to not make people go broke, and you can also sell enough to make a profit, but not enough to make them starve.

[@Teglamen]

Saladin's economy is higly based around producing and selling those products (6-10 bakery for example+ fletchers etc. )

[@bucket_69420]

I just subcribed before like 20 minutes or less then I saw that you posted a new video, nice

[@feynstein1004]

Wow, I never knew player advantage affected taxes. What I did notice was that as your population increases, you get a lower amount from each peasant. Although, I suspect this has to do with rounding errors. Since you can only get a whole number of gold coins, if the number comes out in decimal, the game automatically rounds it up.

[@NIGHTBLOOM1]

Stronghold in 2021? Its nice to find this!

[@thibs2837]

I had the same conclusion as you. And during missions where you can't sell food, go double rations and higher taxes (in stronghold 1 for instance)

[@lordsnia2152]

quality content. cant wait for more. thanks for the good work. keep it up. wish you well. take care

[@heroiccombatengineer6018]

I only used and switched taxes to listen to all the different dialogues of the peasants lmao, It feels like you make much more if you're selling goods

[@vladimirzivanovic9966]

great channel. Keep it up!

[@lilyfia0]

I played since 2008s and just realized this math on taxes, normally i just increase popularity and max the taxes without counting how worth is that like this. Thank you mr wolf, great vid and math

[@bartoszbaroszek6640]

That's The kind of video i would never imagine to be made

[@BalkanianNinja]

If bro was a teacher, he would be that teacher that you would listen to

[@oregano19]

Finally someone talking about this

[@qwert314oderwat]

I usually go with no rations (-8) booze for everyone (+8) cathedral (+2) low taxes (-2) and sell all food. in lategame fearfactor (+5) church (+1), -low taxes (-2)- high taxes (-8)

[@qwert314oderwat]

In Sh1 I also did generous bribe and low taxes in turn in a few occasions. Advantageous though a bit annoying if you do it right, but if you forget about it when you are bribing your population you're screwed

[@mee091000]

I can't believe I forgot about getting that easy +3 Religion bonus. Makes the start of the game much easier if you can afford it.

[@corentinc.948]

I use: 1# half rations, (-4 up to -1; due to food diversity), combined with 2# max ale (+8) 3# max religion (+3) and I switch my fear factor around: (-1 or rarely -2 @ start of game, to a +5 later on). Now, make your own calculations, to know the max amount of taxes I ask. What I build: 1# Stone quarry, as many as I can. 2# Cathedral and Church => low taxes 3# fear factor -1 4# wheat => mill => bakeries 5# granaries 6# inns + I buy the ale 7# start weapon production {x-bow is best}, then making shields with small amount of iron mines.

[@lyxsyx8354]

Basically what I do every game.. add in the surplus from the resources you get but never need. you'd be able to supply a continuous stream of HA's

[@RoyDJ1069]

I never know that gold advantage also affects your taxing. cool vid!

[@krzysztofputerko1943]

I was always wondering, isn't it better to get max positive fear factor instead of maximum negative one? I know that your workers are less efficient with it but since it gives bonus to popularity you can increase taxes(to buy lacking resources) or just give half rations so you don't lack food and can sell some of it. The reason why I feel like the positive one is better is because negative fear factor only gives better productivity for negative popularity bonus. However positive fear factor decreases your productivity, but it gives 2 things, positive popularity bonus AND it strenghtens your units. So isn't it better overall?

[@FilipMarzec_]

absolutely loving this

[@asdasd-no4lk]

nice video i was always wondering

[@Aatell764]

"You've got to be joking!" The scribe.

[@pokoknyaakuimut001]

Good information, thank you

[@jfwjfw5558]

i got another question, do fire arrow increase your archers dmg or are their only porpuse to light up pitch?

[@Jefflenious]

They add no damage, only used to light up fire pitches

[@paulandreig.sahagun34]

Do they lit to Buildings that are near your towers with Flame archers?

[@Jefflenious]

@@paulandreig.sahagun34 They can't set buildings on fire by themselves, the building has to be right next to some burning fire pit

[@ozcozfozc]

Hi could you cover this topic for Warlords?

[@nikoszkariofilisz8300]

I think if you go up to 300 population, you get a lot more gold from taxes, -8 taxes is more than enough, you can feed the 300 population with bread very easy, you can even sell some bread. I always make a long stockpile, 1 side is for Baking breads, the other is for Crossbows. Then you have Tax, Bread, and Crossbows for income, not to mention the stone and iron. Bread+ale is just broken.

[@dhavalpatil1515]

There is a trick when we start a map see where the enemy is placing his barracks and restart the game and place our hovels on that place, the enemy cannot destroy them until he fully builds his castle and also he will not produce any troops. Its very useful in hard maps when you get rushed by enemy troops instantly after starting the map.

[@feynstein1004]

Dude, that's amazing. I didn't know you could do that 😃

[@reasonableargument645]

That's a cheat. What's interesting about beating a helpless enemy, that can't produce any troops? "Hey, look at me! I beat a helpless AI, that can't produce troops, and can't defend itself! I'm a genial strategist!" It's like putting a woodcutter next to an enemy's castle entry. If you do this, it would mean you just skip a mission, not pass it, so the game would lose its point, and it would be anything, but not Stronghold Crusader anymore. The game is about overcome, defeat, and then win, not about just to win senselessly. In my opinion, it's just like not playing the game at all..

[@lakecityransom]

@@reasonableargument645 Eh kids just want to win regardless of integrity, let 'em be.

[@megood1582]

This is pretty much blocking gates using ox tether strat

[@qwert314oderwat]

@@reasonableargument645 Tbh years after playing Stronghold for the first time I managed to finally beat mission 50 in Shc. And I just won because I accidently took the enemies artillery out of play by placing a second line of protection walls outside the castle. Still struggled to succeed lol When I was a stupid kid I found this game incredibly hard hahaha, today I want the challenge, but back then... well I understand the kids who like cheating

[@kubasielski4025]

Hey, hey! I just wanted to bring this idea to table (I don't know if it's the best but works pretty nice for me): go for full bread production, +8 bonus from ale consumption and +3 bonus from church and cathedral. Then stay on normal rations and tax people with -8 modifier to popularity and sell excess bread. U can also tax people with -12 modifier to popularity and use religion bonus to minimise popularity trend to -1. Then u adjust taxes from time to time to avoid fall of ur popularity below 50.

[@thebadman6169]

Would be better to decrease rations than ever go over -8 taxes, they are only good if you somehow are already not feeding your people or doing some kind of population exploit. Of course it will require bit more micromanagament so if you are not importing wheat then it should be okay to go with higher rations and leak some gold to not get distracted.

[@feynstein1004]

Definitely not worth it. Ale is so much more efficient. I give my peasants no rations and then use ale coverage to offset the -8 popularity. Even with a population of 100, you only need 2 breweries and about 3/4 inns to keep the people happy. Imagine how many mills and bakeries you'd need to feed all those people.

[@modcube6352]

I never thought -5 fear factor will make the peasant work faster😂, i thought its only showing that you are a cruel lord 😅

[@difaulhaqq5304]

So, another question Does the Apothecary really heal units? And how fast one heals?

[@Jefflenious]

If you have UCP installed yes it does And it's like one unit at a time, not that fast but you can always place down more of them for increased healing

[@asdasd-no4lk]

@@Jefflenious how it heals and if its aura around the building is it good to place it behind the tower to heal archers on it ?

[@Jefflenious]

@@asdasd-no4lk The worker comes and heals units individually, and he constantly returns to his hut to refill his supplies or whatever, so yeah putting your troops next to his hut does make his job a bit easier

[@lordsnia2152]

@@Jefflenious i actually used it. brought back my horse archers from a siege at Calif and they were very low. built two Apothecary and boom after a while they were ready to attack again

[@lexlex44]

Lol, for a moment I thought you were talking about healing health, not disease ! Would have been a cool idea for the healer to do both.

[@robinlavoie3467]

I remember playing the same mission over and over again the one where the Snake is attacking you and you have to convert your population but i would not do the objective and slowly building a nice town and pushing back the waves of attack..just enjoying the game thanks for your video i have to play it again

[@TheNotSocialClub]

I actually do the opposite because I want to have my gold income automated instead of selling goods every minute. But very good advice though I'll try it!!

[@gamerwolf9934]

Goood video and gold tips thank you

[@novictim]

I only just learnt about the advantage and tax relationship!

[@beardsntools]

fear factor makes religion more useful too, it's seriously much better than on no fear factor, so you can do both ale and religion, these two on their max are +19 should cover, no rations, average taxes and fear factor. You save all of your food, so plenty of bread to sell. Or alternatively you dont bother with religion and go with half rations and you can do low taxes, still not bad.

[@dhavalpatil1515]

How do taxes work in historical campaigns? I always use taxes in them rather than selling bread.

[@Jefflenious]

I think it's the same as "No advantage" I'm not sure though

[@dhavalpatil1515]

@@Jefflenious ok

[@skinbartthepirate6354]

im more interessted in how you can play as a different colore ?

[@eslammazhar7652]

You are so cool bro Keep going

[@thedisintegrador]

I think there’s value in not having to think about certain things. I prefer more rations and not selling food, because it’s perhaps not as economic, but I don’t have to think about it.

[@jack86]

Me: combine selling food and tax. Never give food (-8), but keep maintain the ale bonus (+8) by build one inn in every 3 new house build and make them 'working' Tax (-8), and mantain religion poin at least +8 (+11 if possible) by building a church and a cathedral, and one chappel for every one new build house. Tax only feel significant if you have large population. And if you want some good things effect but decrease the workers' lazyness, just put the good things out of their reach, e.g. on empty island, or just surround it with walls, so worker dont waste their time wandering around.

[@OverseerMoti]

Keeping the good things enclosed will cause the workers to stay put in front of their workshops before working another batch of product. This cuts time loss caused by them going back and forth between the good things and their workshops. Curiously enough, sometimes the workers would visit wells after work if you built those.

[@jack86]

@@OverseerMoti unfortunately, one worker will not always visit the nearest good thing.

[@dindin3655]

Everytime he says "peasants" I felt it

[@Ahmadabdal_]

Finally I always wondered this

[@sparklingwatamelon]

I just came here to see how vast my knowledge of this game after 17 years of playing this game.

[@UmarFarooq-yp7nd]

Morning Your Lordship..🤞

[@an_orange8911]

I do double rations and increase the taxes, in this way I won't constantly have to come back to the market to sell the food. Also, if your granary gets full and you dont sell, then you are wasting food which you could have sold. Taxes is way to go!

[@ilhamleo6348]

Why there is chiken but no chiken coop and chiken meat

[@paperhoosier]

Is it better to build a bread (includes flour and wheat) selling economy, an Iron selling economy, or an Stone Selling economy to field a late game army?

[@Jefflenious]

You gotta use all the resources on the map, but generally I think Stone > Iron > Wheat is the order

[@feynstein1004]

Sell everything you have. But in my experience it's better to convert the iron to weapons and then sell that instead of just selling the raw iron.

[@lakecityransom]

Stone is the best and easiest as it has no higher forms of product to create. The others are good when you use buildings to manufacture the top cost goods from them and also that increases your populace which means using taxation makes more gold.

[@Som3P3rs0n]

what about doing both?

[@Flutteragon]

I didn't know about diff affects tax income and that fear factor affects only on bread makers :O

[@Jefflenious]

It's not just bread, but bread scales really well with fear factor

[@Flutteragon]

@@Jefflenious Oh, will you make a video with fear factor and how much bonus it gives to every building? :3

[@Jefflenious]

@@Flutteragon Yeah it's coming, in 2 days probably

[@hisato1998]

Hey i have a question when you speak about something can you put the text in the video ??

[@Jefflenious]

If you're having a hard time following through you can use youtube's subtitles (The CC icon next to settings in the video) But I'll also try to to get better at editing!

[@hisato1998]

@@Jefflenious Thx mate i dont have best english skills and your content need time to think to understand what you are saying :)

[@Alexandermedo1]

Here is what I usually do : About 5 or 6 wheat farms 2 mills 10 bakeries Normal rations 1 cathedral 2 churches 4 chapels 1 hops farm 4 breweries 6 inns -12 taxes popularity

[@byusky8117]

well sometimes i go with low to average taxes with half ration so i can still gain coins slowly while maximizing the food trade income dont forget to keep the ale coverage +8 doe

[@tacky6657]

Nice video

[@thomassleziak1222]

I have hundreds of hours on stronghold, I come back every few years and play the whole campaign, and I never used and played with taxes :D I just completely ignored it everytime.

[@Jefflenious]

It's a big deal on Stronghold 1, but on Crusader it's much easier to just produce resources and sell!

[@belghun43]

I never realizedthat I will be watching those types of videos when I will grow up XD

[@andrewgnatyuk]

I would raither pay to people if it needed and make -5 fear factor, taxes is not the best move from my perspective

[@kristiankopera]

there also another posible strategy. give them no foo "no rations" thats -8 popularity. but give them beer + 8 popularity. give them church and you are now on +3 popularity . you can now sell all your bread and thats clear profit :D

[@Nimarioos]

I prefer high taxes as I hate microing storage, I just make good bread production increase rations and setup taxes then I simply focus on military

[@Software.Engineer]

What about fear factor hurting your army?

[@strongholdcrusadermaster8305]

Nice video sharing

[@alonymelony8047]

me,selling food and taxing till the popularity is close to 50: both,both is good.

[@Andromeda_GALaxy48]

i always used this strategy more food= high taxes

[@Borderose]

Damn. So tax and scare the shit out of the peasants but give them Jesus to go with all the food and all the booze they could ever want? Sounds like a solid presidential strategy.

[@Brashix]

so basically if you strugle with multi tasking you go with taxing but if you dont you go for selling bread got it

[@Jefflenious]

Yeah pretty much, lol

[@f2p-bbs169]

i mean i think it's better to use taxes on high pop , just cuz it's too hard to maintain selling food while having late game fights . my opinion is , on high pop , taxes are better , on low pop , selling food is better

[@piotrm5635]

0:05 its better to sell stone and iron 🤣

[@karimdaniyalov707]

man really explained food economy in USSR

[@h3m1v33]

+8 ale, +3 religion, -5 fear factor leaves you at +6. you cant even max out taxes at that point. on top of having a much weaker army. crossbows not being able to oneshot slaves, etc. negative fear factor isnt good. just go for +8 ale, +3 religion, +5 fear factor. sure everyone is less productive, but you can get -8 tax and reduce your rations to -8. all you need to care about is to have your ale which is super easy, then you can never loose popularity, your army gets a mighty dmg boost on top. since you dont consume food you can spam houses and production facilities left right and center. this is important, cause taxes dont care about your max population you can have, but the actual amount of people you got. so everyone with a job + up to 24 at the keep, while you can ignore any food requirements. with that extra production you easily get ahead of the negative fear factor version on top of having ridiculous amounts of tax money from such high populations. all i do in the later stages is spam the big water tank thingies (idk the english name). in order to actually spend that crazy income somewhat efficiently i vacate those buildings so i can build 100-200 units (using a leftclick macro otherwise i would probably injure my hand and break my mouse while playing this game), then i activate them again, so i can do stuff, while the workers build up again. otherwise i have 24max for units and need to be on top 24/7, while neglecting everything else basically.

[@Fadhil634]

Omg its spirit of the law!

[@chilloutmiketheoriginal]

Why am I watching stronghold crusader economics when i almost failed math in high school

[@CubeItself]

sweet video!

[@Beef1188]

I crank taxes only because I like hearing the peasants squeal!

[@r3dn1ght23]

Nice

[@panchoxxlocoxx9638]

This is what I call historical accuracy, if you want an efficient fief you have to extort the peasantry, scare the shit out of them so they always pay, feed them as few food as possible and keep them happy with alcohol and the church

[@maluxorath8715]

My peasants are always looking at gallows and chopping blocks but they eat like kings with double rations so they're happy. Besides, who doesn't like making fun of the poor fellas in gibblets outside of the inn or watch some witch burning near the cathedral. :)

[@Furko08]

Just produce so much bread that your food stocks max out at double rations and sell a bunch ez

[@Thomazmllm]

I prefer double rations and taxes só i can concentrate on the siege/fight, because my granary would be full all The time, even when adding more granarys...

[@kekaisaranottoman8431]

i will use Negative Fear Factor, but i can't see my People Suffer and saying the bad thing about me and the Castle.

[@Muftisyedinayatullah55]

I have, played this game a lot, I know all the things of it

[@fadhilyudistira8819]

I mainly use taxes so I can play like a proper government.

[@mammoh]

I never knew that

[@__-yu8vi]

"Is taxing worth it, or it's better to sell food?" - the British, manufacturing another disaster in one of its colonies

[@verstixia]

used taxes on mission 77 vs 3 emirs

[@qazi9184]

This game could be so easier if I only knew this things back in 2003/2004. 😂

[@flyinghead1147]

Best game EVER!