Is Tekken 7 A Better Game Then Tekken 8?

I saw people not happy about tekken 8 recently so I wanted to make a comparison video and my thoughts on the subject.
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[@slimthug166]

Tekken 8 just needs some balancing and to tone a lot of the cast down, and itll be the best tekken ever imo.

[@gokublacktekken6166]

I prefer Tekken 8. But the heat system needs some serious adjustments. This is what has been making the game so exhausting.

[@auroranamex5886]

I'd rather say boring

[@kilejeson]

Heat é bem forte mesmo. Especialmente para alguns personagens, mas fazer o quê né?

[@Zenkai.boost.Kekkei.Genkai]

nah ... too many dumb mechanics in tekken 8, people are using the heat button like a rageart it's so annoying, in one round twice they can get out of jail for free and steal the win, coupled that with power crushing and it's just too much annoying scrubbery going on the flow of the match is all messed up, it feels like playing red like green light , the match flow is not smooth like it used to be, also there's alot more guessing going on in tekken 8 than 7....the only thing i like about tekken 8 is the graphics and that get up kicks no longer combo that's it .

[@ellpepe8059]

fax

[@tekkn_579]

I hear you lol

[@MarleyBM199]

Tekken 7 and 8 are both pretty mid tbh

[@IzNebula]

I don't disagree that Tekken 8 is a better GAME than Tekken 7, but I think they both failed as Tekken games. The good thing is Tekken 8 still can and may likely be fixed with time. However, as it stands right now, the direction they are going doesn't give me high hopes. As of right now, literally every DLC character is a casino coinflip stance character. I mean, so many characters in this game are built like that except a select few and can just snowball their offense with tons coinflips forcing you to guess behind their plus frames. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you're seeing the benefits of this game through the eyes of Lee. Lee tends to slow down the game for both parties due to his strong CH game and Keepout, which is stronger due to the nature of Tekken 8's aggressive design. However when it comes to the snowballing pressure, Lee does not have the similar luxury like most characters, at least not without significant risks. Lee's heat/heat smash aren't all that great either compared to average character. Characters go from a move into heat dash/mid heat smashes that are + on block into a forced stance mix that most likely leads to another mix. That's literally this game in a nutshell. The devs themselves literally said in a recent video that all these mechanics are there to help worse players overcome more skilled players. You can't say it's a skill issue when you are guessing for your life in so many interactions, there is no skill involved in 50/50 forced guessing. Sidestep was buffed, but you spend most of the time being locked down by insane plus frame moves like Drag qcf4 and heat smashes. Mind games go out the window when every scenario is a 50/50 guess. TLDR: Tekken 8 as a GAME is better than Tekken 7, but not as a Tekken game because they both failed at that. Where Tekken 7 failed in having so many CH situations, Tekken 8 failed in the barrage plus frames the majority of characters have that lead an absurd amount of coinflip situations that is exacerbated by the heat system as a whole. You're seeing this game through Lee's which is one of the few characters that simply cannot snowball his offense as much as other characters with better heat and Lee also slows down the game due to his CH and Keepout.

[@TeeRells711]

I feel like your problem isnt with T7 its with Lee in T7 Where as T8 hes much better youll feel the games better .. when in reality , the game is just better for lee... But as far as being better than 8 ... No... Mm mm

[@fightinggm]

I played geese too in tekken 7. I just feel tekken 7 is a terrible game that u can lose to anyone at any given time

[@hurricane7727]

I liked Pairing him with Anna in Tekken Tag 2 .

[@TeeRells711]

Imagine how some people in T8 feel.. sure it's less turtle which I actually don't mind it helps me think more T8 I win for thinking less because of how bullhorn the offense is and the smart aspect of T8 is artificial at best .. because actually , it's really just about avoiding the next wild move as opposed to just defending against pokes. This doesn't favor Lee sure but it's about the game right?

[@burni988]

​@@fightinggm I'm not arguing with the take but rather making a statement that I find this comment interesting/funny since this is a sentiment I hear about Tekken 8 a lot. Maybe you think what you said about T7 applies to T8 as well tho, I'd be curious to hear more of your thoughts on that. Not watched the video yet so idk if you address it.

[@Perry_Talion]

I agree with you. Also could be a perspective from super high level where T7 starts to show it's holes. I had Lee as my best character yet I had more of a blast in T7 till blue/early Emperor Played for 4-12 hours a day no problem. The limitations made us actively think. I can agree T8 Char are more robust and have more tools but in T7 I can breathe and think. I lost because my opp was better. No matchup knowledge? No problem. I can learn in game. May lose but next match I will do way better. While also enjoy most matches. I miss T7 Neutral where not most can +Frame on block hit me from range 3.

[@ourdailymeat]

Tekken 7 tournaments are so thrilling

[@bahamatwinllamas]

People like to compare the end of Tekken 7 with the beginning of Tekken 8. They forget it took a while for Namco to get Tekken 7 to a decent place. Tekken 8 is way more fun for me personally. People complain about heat, but there’s ways to adapt, and everyone acts like heat is something only their opponent has. Utilize it and use it to your advantage, if you don’t, that’s your problem.

[@notgonnapay]

Even the end of 7 was bad. Sure, it was more balanced, but I one combo from any character deleted 70% of your life bar and left you in the worst oki situation at the wall.

[@curtisedmonds9933]

The problem with heat is that the entire game revolves around it, which is usually a bad sign for a system mechanic. The game revolves around it to the detriment of other Tekken fundamentals. It’s overloaded and does way too much for basically no downside.

[@alainchristienemendoza9982]

Why would I adapt if I haven't played the game yet? Tbh, I don't like the Heat system even though I don't have Tekken 8.

[@er7776]

Bro you literally explained why people don't like T8. It is abuse heat or get heat abused. People always use this argument even with rage drives in T7. If they removed sidesteps would you also say 'its fine just adapt, your opponent cant sidestep either so it is okay'??

[@magma55100]

I think T8 feels more like anime fighters and alot of Tekken players aren’t used to that. In games like Blazblue, older GG games, SkullGirls you don’t really want to be on defense. The goal is to win neutral and to make your opponent have to take the mix. With that being said like GM said there are alot of options to deal with certain situations in T8 so there’s never a right answer

[@real.creature1]

I miss parts of tekken 7 but definitely prefer 8 overall, as a player and especially as a spectator. Didn't love being forced to turtle cause everything launched on counterhit and low parry led to hella damage. Watching tournaments is more fun in 8 too. Yeah drag is overpowered af, and yeah its getting old, but at least drag mirrors are fast paced. Kunimitsu mirrors on infinite stages are just not fun to watch, and I'm saying that as a defensive player myself.

[@showtimefu1234]

I just need deathmatches back to download my opponent that thinks there good after they one and done me

[@ThePlKLE]

If they're one-and-done'ing you, then there will be no death match regardless

[@AFrogNamedAtlas]

you'd think they would at least have this in quick match but no

[@cougarcp]

Fk no, no deathmatches

[@cougarcp]

Death matches are a boosting breeding fest

[@chucklos391]

@@ThePlKLEhaha! Got em!!

[@mibbzx1493]

Tekken 7 i didnt even like that much because of the rage arts but it’s definitely better since you had to actually play defense and have solid movement to stay afloat. Tekken 8 just sacrificed fun and mind games for out for new players and no accountability

[@LR669]

T8 > T7 for sure. You could barely sidestep in 7 with all the dumb tracking. T8 just needs balancing and quality of life fixes. Tag 2 and 6 are better than both though.

[@SnowflakeSSQ]

I find sidestepping just as clunky if not worse than in Tekken 7 tbh.

[@foldablebed2586]

@@SnowflakeSSQliterally tho

[@geraldtorres5339]

I agree but T7 from season 1 to 2 before Leroy came was amazing. After that it became BS.

[@TeeRells711]

@@LR669 Tag 2 and T6 was Broken ASF they didn't even patch the game what are y'all saying right now? 😄

[@masajmahdiq2472]

Other way around T7 movement was way better

[@sagiebob]

Make Tekken Great Again 🇺🇸😂

[@GoarmyHgs]

I should make a list of players that werent even tekken king in tekken 7 that are now max rank in t8 in less than a year 💀

[@Cazarace]

Sure, this is true, but it's because of rank inflation and points system, first of all, and also because KBD of T7s were a mechanic to engage very little in the battle, so essentially those that reached tekken king in T7 were the most patient player, not necessarily the better at reaction times or fundamentals, or mind games. They were good at backdashing and waiting for a whiff, but not reading the opponent. That's why I have issues with T7's system. That for me can never be definitive. Some characters are also way more OP in T8 with more complex strings and options than in T7, Heat too can help many players. But going back to the boring fest, long loading times, and the KBDs of T7 is totally unappealing. It's just not fun. Fun is having to hit your opponent. But I was never a turtle in games so...I can understand why turtle style players hate T8. Thing with T8 is also that it's still relatively new and the game might change over the years too.

[@GoarmyHgs]

@@Cazarace its true because there were more defensive options , and falls in line with the rest of the older tekkens, this game is a 2.5 D mash fest, where a player doesnt even need frame knowledge but if they touch u twice with heat you die lol, there is also way too many comeback mechanics for less skilled players to fight evenly with veterans, almost every match is a game of blackjack, one heat engager and you get 21 🤷🏾‍♂️. You have players with 45 defense stat at god of destruction rank , just because they learned their optimal heat dash combo, its sickening.

[@Cazarace]

@@GoarmyHgs You're not wrong about online scrubs, there are way more scrubs, scrubbing people with even more knowledge checks and heat bs that def needs some toning down. Now you have to deal more with these scrubs because you can't backdash away and they will get in your face with the heat engagers. Whether that's good or not says something about Tekken. I've had many friends who beat people without any knowledge in some MUs in T7 just because they used backdash and small tekken to get out of the learning process of said MU by overall laziness. I don't know, pick your poison. But you also have to remember that it's a new game, been out for little time and people need to adjust to this new meta that will be balanced in the upcoming years. Gotta give time. If T8 really was a random mashfest like many people say at high levels of play, we wouldn't have the same players getting in top 8s everywhere all the time in tournaments.

[@GoarmyHgs]

@@Cazarace that’s not the case knee and a few others have gotten unheard results in the game because of the mechanics

[@Aroused_Pineapple]

They waited more in the lobby and loadingscreen then playing the game and cheating was free in Tekken 7

[@Szzachraj]

There is one thing that I think is overlooked in this discussion and that is motion/visual clarity and readability of game. I agree with all you said here, but eating 50/50 in t8 can be really taxing because of that. Now I think that you need at least 2k monitor or good TV to play or else, you would be in disadvantage. Some customisation and cosmetic visuals are blocking view more that they did in t7 (capes, kazuya wings etc).

[@drdeesnutts48]

Tekken 8 is just 1 dimensional and boring, Tekken 7 was too to an extent. It sucks Tag 2 was regarded as a failure because it was the last Tekken that I really enjoyed.

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

What does 1 dimensional mean in this context?

[@drdeesnutts48]

@@ChristopherWaddelow It means Tekken used to have a defensive aspect, now it doesn't.

[@anibalmattiwos7613]

The biggest problems i have is balancing, some characters are just too much.... Yoshi, Dragunov, Nina, Alisa, i feel like i'm fighting some storymode boss version of these charcters it's exhausting. But other then that i agree with you, also hate that getup kicks are safe, i still act as if they're still punishble only to be reminded that they're not. Also wish they stop nerfing kbd, it does nothing for anyone, just makes the game feel less responsive, revert it to t7 kbd and i'm happy, with some charcter exceptions perhaps.

[@lazytommy0]

i think the main issue people have with this game is the balance. like hit properties, character tuning, and damage. everything else is superior in 8. like why does 90% of dragunov movelist wallsplat for no reason? chip does a bit too much damage on some characters like leroy. plus frames on alot of characters are far too obnoxious forcing duck to be the only option on a mix follow up. sidestep on alot of things feels unreliable at best, or just non existant at times. and why does every optimal combo close out the round on a single mistake due to depleting 80 to 90% of your already diminished lifebar? why remove skill expression like steve shiro or B2 combo? at 17 frames minimum, it was more than fair to have those difficult combo routs. 8 is a better game in alot of ways, but it's a farcry from where it should be.

[@Ogime]

MARVELOUS!!

[@SugabulletsSS]

T7 is more honest T8 is more developed

[@goldenHashbrown]

The movement was only better in moving forward and backwards. Lateral movement is much better in Tekken 8.

[@kitar0777]

Tekken 7 was not a 50/50 fest like T8

[@kayocodie7551]

Facts, it’s mad work for no reason.

[@fightinggm]

5050 is more then just mix ups. 5050s is also guessing on ch buttons all day

[@unecessaryupdates6016]

@@fightinggm I don't get it, how are ch buttons a 50-50? Can you give me an example of a scenario back in T7 where CH options felt like 50-50s?

[@WTFisToast]

@@unecessaryupdates6016 its a timing thing dash into button is much more likely to kill you in t7 than in t8 considering the crazy CH tools and strong low parry

[@SnowflakeSSQ]

​@@fightinggmBut hey at least my opponent wasn't plus frames and dancing in my face while being in a stance where I had to take a guess.

[@LiquidusSnake_3]

Tekken 8 is a much better game than Tekken 7. You said it.. People forget the bad and glorify things.

[@jenkins464]

Both have terrible balance, but overall tekken 7 was way more solid as a game.

[@bokhalid8513]

Tekken 7 is way better

[@thestrika]

Most of the OG tekken players who's love for tekken isn't tied into how well they do in tournaments say T8 is better. It's mostly the T6/7 players who are getting clapped by T8 beginners that say the game is trash.

[@Ock_mantis]

Facts

[@IzuMido-t1m]

It’s ego bro

[@gustavogoesgomes1863]

in my opinion tekken 7 was better overall in terms of multiplayer considering that it was harder to autoplay. you still had your negans and marduks but outside that I felt a lot more that I was playing against people instead of hyper aggressive bots that plays exactly the same no matter what I do. and also, you could do unlimited rematches, so even if you got matched with terrible players 10 times, once you got that one good opponent you could sometimes play with them for hours and have a blast. t8 is better in everything else, though. if we could just have convenient, unlimited rematching and they toned down a lot of the brainless offense, like nerfing power and high crushes and reducing tracking on strings... it would be just perfect. I mean, if you have a friend to play with you with similar skill and a more honest playstyle it is just a blessing to play, the game is divine. but it's bizarre that to match people freely I have to add them

[@Tain_edReaper]

I mean most of the ogs that complain about T8 from Tekken 6/7 are probably gold ranks and higher. For me I'm currently Tekken Emperor clapping 98% of the player base and I think T8 is dogshit.

[@Boro87]

Thats totally false, i win more than i ever did in t7, theres just no challenge in spamming random offense.. it got old quickly, the playernumbers reflect that, since this month there is 5k average players on t8 and still dropping, this is the average that t7 had even in its 7th year.. go figure.. its boring and braindead and not fun..

[@JohnGlow2]

My pros and cons for Tekken 7 vs Tekken 8: Tekken 7- pros: Infinite rematch, smoother feeling movement, the game feels better than 8 on iffy connections, cheesing victories is harder, better designed(appearance wise) stages (8’s are still great though) Cons: The biggest issue is that the game feels like you’re playing underwater. Strings feel like they need to be buffered instead of coming out as soon as theyre input. KBD into whiff punish circumventing learning matchups. Tekken 8 Pros: feels alot more fluid and responsive. -Commands feel more consistent. -Beautiful visuals and sound work -Training mode and replay quickens matchup experience -more matchup oriented. Less backdash heavy and aggressive nature forces you to learn the matchup or drown. Cons: - No infinite rematch, so cheesing your way through ranks is most optimal way to rank up - in the beginning there’s no real penalty for losing, and at the midway point, you lose an arm and a leg for losing. No in between. - even with rollback, if your connection isnt a perfect 5bar, the game feels like ASS. Netcode at its best is great and anything less than that feels unplayable at times. -heat is unbalanced. Your heat is either ungodly broken, or a hair above useless. No in between. Heat isnt optimized well at all. -Inequal distribution of wealth. Some characters feast with all of their advantages while others are STARVING for some good tools.

[@flamingaroow59]

Damn was expecting you to like T7 more. Couldn't agree with you more. Games definitely got a ton of QOL issues, but I love the gameplay man.

[@fightinggm]

Def like tekken 8 better for sure. I also play alot better in tekken 8 also 😆

[@er7776]

You don't know GM at all if you expected him to like T7 more

[@fightinggm]

​@er7776 wasn't feeling how weird lee was in t7 and how explosive the game was with hard reads and ch

[@er7776]

​@@fightinggm Thats because of powercreep. for example T7 Bob is just straight up better than T6 Bob yet he isn't even top 15 in T7 but top 2 in T6. They buffed everyone too much since t7 s1. Everything feels explosive because damage is nuts, buttons are too good and movement sucks ass. T8 is even worse bro, i'm so done playing with or against these overpowered characters that play themselves.

[@Whit3WolfXArcadia]

Tekken 8 needs that rerelease

[@Howfoolish.]

Even though I've been playing Tekken since T3, I find myself enjoying Tekken 8 more overall, matches just feel much more "alive" and intense. T7 just felt waay too much reliant on pokes and spacing, which was not fun at times. Defense ia still a crucial part of Tekken, you just have to be more on your feet in T8, make more active reads rather than block and jab constantly

[@SynClaiRWest]

I have the Tekken 8 demo and use Jin in that. Tekken 8 is the least fun Tekken game I've played in contrast to Tekken Tag 2 and Tekken 6. Bruce is my favorite character by the way.

[@cougarcp]

THE DEMO?????? Throw this comment in the trash!!

[@lostdreamer50]

I feel tekken 7 gameplay was the best Tekken gameplay ever. Its only problems were the 2d characters, a few other crazy characters like Marduk and Kuni, and too many counter hits. I believe if there were no 2d characters,those weirdo characters got better balance and they reduced the counter hits a bit, it would probably be the best fighting game ever. Also, as a heavy mix-up based Lee player I still can't get over tekken 8 lee slide not knocking down... I had to change my gameplan a lot and I don't enjoy it anymore.

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

Perhaps if you liked the slide so much, you should change to Shaheen or Law? I know they aren't the same as Lee, but at least you'd be able to enjoy that part of a character again?

[@lostdreamer50]

​@@ChristopherWaddelow I've been thinking about it but... These guys are just not "marvelous" man.. i just love lee's design and personality

[@Chikage773]

I just wish tekken 8 had infinite rematches so we can adapt better

[@mzmc3020]

My take is Tekken 7 came out good but got worse over time, while currently Tekken 8 has potential to be twice as better

[@nuttefrenk912]

I prefer 8, 7 just didn't click for me

[@SundayReacts]

Love tekken 8

[@chucklos391]

It’s so funny. People were tired and bored of Tekken 7 and now there is a segment of the Tekken community that argues Tekken 7 is better than Tekken 8. They’re both great games and I’ve been loving Tekken 8 since release. I bought the Collector’s Edition with the Jin figure even though I hate Jin. No regrets or hate whatsoever and Tekken 8 is awesome. Period. Namco gets my money. Tekken 8 is my way to unwind and recharge in life by kicking some online ass with my Victor.

[@hands-ongaming7180]

Idk why they don’t just go back to t7 if they love it so much.

[@mrmister9860]

​@@hands-ongaming7180 cause it's ass

[@Tain_edReaper]

Asking why they don't go back is the most braindead point I've heard in a while.

[@giannelli2291]

Victor just isn't as obnoctis as what we used to have..

[@chucklos391]

@@giannelli2291 Hey! That's my name in Tekken 7! Obnoctis. I was a Noctis main. 23k wins in Quick Match. Fujin rank.

[@the_gratefulgamer]

I think everyone is right for being tired of the game. The problem is a rank system that doesn't reward fairly, only punishes. Cheaters and pluggers not being dealt with early. The game never teaches people how to look out for cheaters using the signal bar numbers and colors. And ofc the balancing of characters. It also has a camera issue. And the slowmo glitch. They've focused so much on the store. That I have no intention to buy anything from it. Period. My biggest grip is all the censorship and esg bs with the girl's bodies and costumes. This the prettiest Tekken with the most unimpressive bodies in all of gaming. Outside of maybe MK and Smash. They've taken out jiggle physics, all the girls breasts got nerfed. None of the brown girls got ass. It's total bull. If DOA was Alive and not on that store bs. I wouldn't even be playing Tekken.

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

This is a new take. I have never seen someone complain about T8 ass sizes and jiggle physics 😂

[@GORO911]

Well Atleast in 7 when you used Rage drive you couldn't use Rage Art anymore. Now in 8 you opponent has heat burst resetting all your offense, bounding you if the opponent activates it while you are in air. Heat smash that is ++ even if it was blocked, why the hell would a player remain ++ when his high damage attack get blocked ? Multiple armored power crush moves for many characters. And finally the Rage Art. All of which are really no skill moves. Edit: indeed chip damage is a great addition to open up turtling opponents, best thing added in T8.

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

Heat burst can be stepped, rage art can be launched, and heat smashes can be interrupted. These moves have counter play.

[@martinmonroe7082]

Exactly. People always mentioning heat like its only the opponent that has it, lol. Thats what this man’s talking about in the video, more things to worry about -> more options -> more fun to play. Its really simple. T8 might be almost 9 months old but people are still figuring the game out.

[@C_H_U_]

People will complain about T7 being better but some people like TT2 or T6 better. You can’t win when it comes to the “better” game. All in all, T8 will be “better” than T9. It’s all a trend.

[@The1337nut]

It’s good to hear a differing opinion from the community, but yeah, some balance changes and this game is pretty good.

[@championredd]

No is the short answer

[@LeiChaobruh]

Only thing Tekken 8 does is graphics and better sidesteps. No infinite rematch, ranked system was trash for months, wall bound is still broken after months, bad balancing philosophy and homogenized overtuned characters. 5 dollars for ported T7 outfits, it's just a step down in so many ways compared to the amount of improvements

[@ettoreozzy9932]

Tekken always was a more defensive game than aggressive. Whereas you could turtle out your opponent after getting a life lead. I remember people from 2D games finding so weird that you could tech every throw in Tekken and it's reactable. Tekken 7 had more stronger moves in general and ch moves however after Leroy the DLC characters went way to overboard, specially Kuni and Zafina with older Tekken movement while the rest of the cast had Tekken 7 movement - and don't even get me started on 2D characters. Now Tekken 8 is aggressive Tekken, where a lot of decisions on design in moves and frame data in this game is something we would never even think before in a Tekken game. Yeah some Tekken 7 rage drives were annoying but Tekken 8 has heat smash which are much more annoying in general and they can happen at any moment in the match and people can get into heat with burst not only in rage with low health. Yeah 2D had bullshit stuff and absurd damage, and after season 3 a lot of the cast in Tekken 7 gained insane wall carry where everybody could do big damage combo, but Tekken 8 has wall tornado to extent combo and heat as well which kinda makes it seems like everybody is Akuma in 8. To me, some of the problems in Tekken 7 from season 3 forwards, and to some degree even before that, got toned up to eleven in Tekken 8 and I'm tired of Tekken 7 and I haven't played Tekken 8 since the last balance update. Tekken 8 gameplay style just isn't fun to me. I can play how the game wants me to play it but that isn't fun to me, specially for long sessions. What got me in love with Tekken was the movement aspect of it for neutral, where even in some situations where it seems it's not your turn movement could help. And Tekken 8 just seems to be attack to force them into a bad situation so you won't be put into a bad situation, that or the will they attack or not so will you try to counter hit them or avoid. I don't intend to play Tekken 8 until some major changes and overhauls are done - which might take some time but oh well. I think it's weird your points on Lee in T7 when Lee is a poke heavy counter hit fishing machine so yeah the character is supposed to be played with smalls moves and counter hit fishing so of course he's not gonna have pressure or plus frames moves. I would also say he's the wall carry monster but that part of his identity to distinguish him from the rest of cast is kinda long gone nowadays since wall carry is kinda trivial for a lot of characters - and post season 3 T7 pretty much all the cast could wall carry really well.

[@pepperonue]

yes

[@shadowbowser5674]

I think they're both great games in my honest opinion, I love them both, I hope I'm not alone on that.

[@Z1nt3k]

I never had a problem with the heat system. I just have a problem with the increased amount of forced mixups and chip. Heat gives players the option to open up turtles but it makes characters with good pressure even more oppresive. Tekken 7 evolved a lot and I hope Tekken 8 does too. Buffing sidestep and nerfing the tracking of command grabs was a good start.

[@unecessaryupdates6016]

Tekken 8 feels better until you get into a match against a Dragunov, Lidia player who knows what they are doing. Then you realize how much trash the current state of T8 is.

[@seaBebop]

Tekken 7 had more than half the cast landing 90% combos. Most players prefer 7 because even up to Tekken God rank, one mistake rarely leads to a death combo because the average player can barely punish properly or do those combos. Also, 50/50s were constant in 7 but on average players didn’t realize it due to the less obvious cues compared to Tekken 8’s stances/heat or hellsweeps. The passive playstyle in 7's high level comes from the fact that you could die at any moment.

[@Tain_edReaper]

@@seaBebop Yes one of the factors for the passive play comes from the fact you could die at any moment by a CH because of improper "mashing." Which is why the T7 imo had more skill and is better. CH slowed the game down enough for where you had to really think about when to press and recognize patterns. Part of the game was to realize how to be really aggressive in a safe way. With pokes, timing, staggers and interval spacing for whiffs. And scrubs that go full unga bunga got deleted, ch launcher/launchers for disrespecting frame data by challenging/pressing even after getting hit or blocking a +frame move. Now everyone that loses an interaction like the above, instead of using fundamentals/patience/ movement to get out of situations can just spam heat burst, or fast safe enhanced version of powercrushes. That resets the situation or give advantage again. Even if the scrubs get beat by mashing improperly, because of less ch, they often don't lose as much health. And get to try 2-3 times more.

[@JIX9ISLER1986]

7 Reason Why TEKKEN 8 is better than T7 1) Load times - Tekken 7 being an arcade port had AWEFUL load times 2) Budget Game - Tekken 7 certainly done on a limited budget due to the commercial failure of TAG2 3) Bad story mode - The ending battle was epic with Kazuya and Heihachi BUT if heihachi is cannon in T8 that makes T7 story EVEN WORSE 4) Tekken 7 imo is the most consistently inconsistent tekken game (hitboxes side steps ect) 5) Bad character endings - probably the worst since tekken 1 6) Lack of features - even with the paid DLC still had less content than Tag 2 7) Mediocre music and meh stages - some of the music tracks dont fit the stages or are just average at best…..

[@mongerponsky2779]

i feel like im really enjoying my time jn tekken 8, I feel like most of the balancing is where ibfeel it should be and matches dont feel impossible even as a panda main it feels the core of tekken still functions and dominates

[@TheAnimatedGamer]

Tekken 8 is basically what you get when a lot of the competitive youtubers complained that T7 had too many moves and should limit them in some way.

[@johnnymonsterrrr]

I like the uniqueness and rawness tekken 7 had but i think tekken 8 can be greater game. I dislike heat having powercrush button activation, it should only have heat moves. Chip dmg is annoying imo. And ofc everyone having the “hold forward during the string” Stance is part of the uniqueness thing.

[@vlonefn2192]

i think alot of people complaining about tekken 8 is having a "skill issue" im saying that in a nice way like they dont know matchup or simple tekken mechs and they just blame the game instead of learning or looking to play better etc anyway good video fightinggm👍

[@Perry_Talion]

You are partly right. I have T7 carried over experience and also lab nearly all characters every 2 days or daily where possible . Sometimes it's a skill issue but what really is that when Red ranks in South Africa perfect whiff/block punish, clean duck, clean step and clean combo, while never missing CH confirm to followups? Second character? Fine but why is he/she red? Meanwhile purples do only gimmicks and they do not work on me most times. Can't whiff punish, can't even launch punish -17 or -21 or 10i punish?. But that person is purple with a high tier character. So what is a skill issue?

[@vlonefn2192]

@@Perry_Talion if your hard stuck red rank purple blue theres a reason

[@vlonefn2192]

@@Perry_Talion if these red ranks u talk about can do all these things "perfectly" why are they stuck in red rank a low rank?

[@forsak3n749]

@@vlonefn2192 all the pro players have seen are complaining about Tekken 8, are they also having “skill issues”?

[@vlonefn2192]

@@forsak3n749 pro players arent perfect and comparing pros to a average tekken player complaining about tekken is just having a "skill issue"

[@curlykingjt7145]

Great video. People forgot how bad tekken 7 was which led to tekken 8 being the way it is. Tekken 7 was slow and boring to watch. Counter heavy and most of the characters were useless in tournaments. Game was so bad they had to put Akuma and other dlc and rage arts which is not Tekken. Thats street fighter lol tekken is too Mishima heavy so even the story no fun to watch. Made other characters goofy as hell. Namco felt they had to speed the game up because Arslan ash picking characters that just dah around and poke all game. Who wants to see Zafina dominate tournaments bro cmon man. Tekken needs more balanced gameplay so we can see other characters shine. Like Yoshi, Kazuya, Law, Paul, Hwo, Lei, Lee etc

[@aldofer8832]

the problem in T8 is that the 50/50 feel (and is) forced via heat system, meanwhile in t7 it was turtle/CH fishing fest for sure, but the 50/50 didn't FEEL (and keyword here) forced. i think if heat didn't give guarantee 50/50 on block with minus on block move it would be better (also maybe nerf the frame of heat dash because +27 is hilariously bad (i would put it at +10/+9 so you can try to move out of some mix up)). Aslo i think backdash (especially kbd) need a buff, because right now it's just too bad. everything else is mostly fine. maybe some nerf to tracking and some heat move (but this is character balance).

[@hurricane7727]

Tekken 6 and Tag 2 Lees were Good Too. In 6 he felt way more Powerful than his 5 Version

[@tekkn_579]

Yes. Especially if you take away the 2d characters and noctis lol. Seeing people perfect knee online is crazy, who was doing that to him in T7? In T8 set play is far too common at high levels, but I guess that was what they were going for as it is more hype than a chess match 🤷‍♂️

[@NicoMambino]

T8 - Heat has its annoying issues bc it makes stance rushdown characters even more obnoxious and recovery grey health should be much less (chip dmg I’m ok with, but i think lots of moves within the roster need to do less chip). - Tekken 7 has its issues too: even worst netcode (if u think T8’s netcode is bad), CH launch get up kicks imo we’re tilting, 2D characters & their near death combos & bs 2D jump-in kicks into launch and 10f crouch jab BS launches. & most importantly HORRENDOUSLY long load times between every match & rematch. I’m ngl even with comparing those issues - I prefer Tekken 8. T8 just looks so much cooler and as an overall experience if you play with friends or a cool Tekken 8 twitch streamer/discord community, I’d prefer this game than T7.

[@tekkn_579]

JDCR said this game is heavily setup based basically. The way I see it, is it comes down to how long you can keep your flowchart going for and whether you can exploit your opponents inability to get up correctly.

[@Aroused_Pineapple]

I loved Tekken 8 coming in from another fightinggame. I left because the community is the absolute worst. Nobody hates Tekken as much as so called Tekkenfans. It's much more highly regarded by EVERYONE but those who say they love the series. Such a toxic, shit, community and grifters who, for views, just spew piss on the game.

[@danillomdg]

OMG bro that's exactly how i feel too. I actually liked Tekken 8 comming from Tekken 7 but this shitty community is the most whiny group of people I've ever met, it sucks the fun out of everything. And yes there's definitely this movement of content creators farming negativity to get more clicks, and all their mindless bozo fans eat everything they say. Just look right now what's happening with Heihachi, the character isn't even out yet but there's already this hysteria taking form around him, I'm so tired of this shit 😂

[@Mangix974]

The worst are the people of the TEKKEN community who judge you like a fking parents/teacher meeting based the character you play. Heard so many times a Kuma main that Kuma isn't a Tekken char, when the fluffy buddy has been created while their born wasn't even planned🤔

[@SimbaChar]

I mean I understand where you're coming from because a lot of the fan base is incredibly toxic but you said yourself that you are new. You are experiencing the series fresh. The fans aren't. They are used to Tekken being played in certain ways. Most importantly, as a 3D fighter, Tekken has never been about strings or forced 50/50s. There's always counter play. Some characters have forcing a mix up as their identity such as Kazuya but in Tekken 8 it's pretty much 90% of the cast. You got hit by a safe long range mid heat engager? Take a guess or die. You just blocked a mid, mid string? Congratulations, they are now -8 and completely safe. Aesthetically, Tekken 8 is great. It feels great to use mechanically but in terms of the attack properties, the game is brainless. "How many times can I force my opponent into guessing wrong in a 50/50 situation before they do it to me?": the game. I have fun with the game but only when I stop caring about whether it's good or not.

[@BhosdikeSaale]

Because u didn't play tekken 7 as much, as them... tekken 8 is garbage to most better players coming from tekken 7... Most players saying it is good good is because they were mashers or noob in tekken 7

[@foldablebed2586]

@@danillomdgyou must be crazy if you don’t think Heihachi is going to be super dumb in this game

[@geraldtorres5339]

They both have there problems but what I see is bad players reaching high ranks and doing well because of how T8 is played. I’ve seen Tekken gods and higher with 60 or less on defense. It’s just offense all game long. Armor and heat engagers all game. The moment a T8 player doesn’t kill you with their heat they essentially don’t know what to do. And characters are way easier to play with requiring less execution. 9:15 I couldn’t disagree more I feel the complete opposite. Way less thought is put into this while playing. Just look at any Feng or Xioyu player(obviously not all) All T8 is is just heat engagers and armors that start heat.

[@tysanrealm]

One of the most interesting videos talking about both games. I dumped Tekken 7 because both the hard turtling focus and the stupid shoto characters and Tekken 8 feels a lot better in the sense that we don't have shotos and the changes to the system make the game feel substantially better than Tekken 7. That said there are some overtuned gameplay systems that also make the game feel more stupid than it needs to be, some further limitations to powercrush moves (maybe a limit to how many you can use or retweak the strongest ones) and tweaking overly cheap characters could go a long way to make the game feel a looot better.

[@Civil206]

I agree, people just aren't seeing what's here because they're annoyed by the strength of the universal mechanics right now. Once Heat engager move properties are looked at, no more universal +5 heat dash, maybe hit universal +17 too, this game will be a lot better because then they can focus on individual character balance. The design direction of the new characters, I aint gonna hold ya, kinda sucks. Stance RPS or 50/50, it is what it is. I don't think it makes the game that much worse but it does make playing/playing against certain characters extremely dull and I hope they reconsider that direction.

[@ezekieljohnson8345]

Backdash was better in 7 but overall movement was not better. Tekken 8 sidestep is more powerful and things realign worse overall. In 7 you could often step but because you were a frame off with your precision you could get clipped by moves stepping to their weak side when your opponent is +1~-3. In 8 that only happens if they purposefully delay an option. If anyone thinks im wrong just watch at all levels including the highest how much more people sidestep compared to 8.

[@hands-ongaming7180]

Is it just me or do all mids feel sticky? Play street fighter moves might be minus but they have pushback which lead to other things like fake whiff punished and such. So little of that in this game. There’s nothing wrong with moves pushing back but they (tk devs )feel sticky mids are the way a fgc should be played. Idk just ranting

[@beowulf1694]

TEKKEN 8 definitely. T8 is the first tekken I've taken seriously, As a new player into the franchise, I can understand how frustrating it can be dying by unknown pressure but taking that step to get better can be really rewarding. I dont want to say "git good" as a solution because there's obviously more to it, but in any fighting game you have to learn and adapt. I've played other tekkens here and there before but not like this. I remember playing it in the arcade at Me n Ed's, i got a ps2 and played tekken 4 and 5 but in my opinion. Tekken 8 is the best tekken game of all time and the best fighting game on the market right now.

[@fegudax4432]

You never played tekken seriously, there have nothing serious about this braindead game, no mind game just 50/50 all the time, string spam gameplay bcs heat make you sh* safe, move with cheap damage and plus on block..like wtf is wrong with this game ? They push you to press on minus situations which is totally stupid for a game like Tekken it just doesn’t make sense.. The game feel like every character you play are an autopilot version of what they was on T7, I was a Jin main on t7 but on this game mf’s so boring I can’t even play him, so yeah heat system bring a lot of new players like you thinking they are good spamming shit bla-bla-bla but at the end of the day OG player came to abandon the game if it’s not already the case

[@Lerossignol94]

T7 Lee was freaking terrible. Just watching that game you playing against Shadow is making me cringe. I forgot how difficult Lee was because it’s a breeze for me beating people in rank in T8

[@immortalkombvt]

Tekken 8 ain’t terrible imo. Definitely not my favorite tekken but it’s enjoyable until you face the top tiers tbh. Heat system is the big No for me personally. I just hate that guaranteed 50/50 situation stuff when they activate heat smash etc. some people didn’t like rage drive but that shit happened one time and then it’s gone and not that plus on block compared to some of these heat smashes and heat activated moves.

[@Mohgahr]

Thank you for the vid! I’m so tired of hearing nothing but negative comments about tekken 8. Im glad someone agrees that this game isn’t that bad in YEAR 1

[@beroberoberoberobero852]

i started in tekken 7 and BY FAR my worst trait is not taking proper advantage on offense, specially oki... those getup kicks trained some bullshit in me lmao

[@lordshura9717]

Can we give the game a atleast a full freakin year before we try to compare and contrast. I mean sure its probably not gonna change much between now and January mechanically but still, let season one finish up then break it down from there.

[@Lay_rue442]

The short answer is no, the long answer is no cause people are just riddled with nostalgia

[@notori-ice]

Heihachi getting 50/50's and guardbreaks I fully expected, that's just T8. What I don't like is the stance crap they forced onto him

[@eugenepiven2432]

I like tekken 8 much more than 7. The only thing I hate are heat smashes like Xiaoyou's where she gets a clear 50/50 after it and both option are painful if you guess wrong.

[@burni988]

14:23 lmao saying this while the game does you dirty and has this conbo drop 😭😭 I really like T8 but I hope stuff like that gets fixed cause Lili has a heat dash mini combo that does a similar thing and randomly whiffs.

[@reidmalachi-fanau4799]

I know people that actively could not make it past TG in t7 that are GoD in t8.. if that doesn't say something about the state of the game, i don't know what will.

[@damonjohnson1408]

Tekken 8 is lit ...I also like to jump on the older ones from time to time...i dont think i liked 7 till 8 was coming out, i was feelin the changes they made to feng and played that till 8 launched ...

[@souldrifterbeats]

The only thing i disliked about the heat system is that as a Paul main if i deathfist you for whiffing im forced to come in when i dont want to…i wanna be able to whiff punish you and see if you learned your lesson about whiffing on me too much.

[@chrishipop5]

I think some stuff needs a bit more tuning. especially on the defense, but my biggest complaint is how Raven is nerfed, master raven I can open up a lot of noobs.

[@Tain_edReaper]

Tekken 7 was definitely better. Game felt like chess, way harder and more technical. Tekken 8 is dogshit in comparison

[@JulianDelano]

I love tekken 8 tekken 7 was fine if they tweak 8 for the people crying thats alright justhope they dont give into theses people to much tekken 8 is a masterpiece

[@RadicalSpikee]

Huge fan of you GM, but I have to say Lee was just much worse character in t7. I think your opinion is based on that.

[@ntalottantalotta9114]

you had me on your side...then u said "in this game you think more" this is the least thinking tekken ive ever seen. Theres a lot of thinking in the top .1%

[@marksantiago9841]

Rage art is the dumbest thing namco ever created. It was cheap in tekkken 7, it is much cheaper in tekken 8. Whoever thought of the rage art had to go

[@yoriichi7075]

Watching this after watching your run ur set with lil majin is funny

[@c.c.anubis]

It's nice to see people actually mentioning that T7 was a ch mash fest which led to it also being a turtle fest.

[@Samura5555]

Facts! Tekken 8 goes more into depth and without arcade release, the game will probably only get better

[@GoarmyHgs]

I hate tekken 8 tbh

[@liu3chan]

Dude you have a character from Tekken 8 as you profile pic wtf are you talking about?

[@GoarmyHgs]

@@liu3chan u most not know me idiot, i was a ranked master raven player with twt points in t7

[@YungDoug]

Basically Tekken 7 is more linear compared to Tekken 8, whereas Tekken 8 has more “tools”

[@hardrightturn7502]

I feel like Tekken 7 is almost the perfect fighting game. Im not sure many games will EVER be better.

[@2090-k6z]

Tekken 8 looks more as Street fighter game, Tekken 7it looks more like Tekken and sreious game.

[@FGCTekken]

Tekken 8 isnt a bad game. It made play Street Fighter 6 and lesrn to love other games more.

[@Yokoso-kj7ij]

T8 objectively made the skill gap smaller and that's not necessarily bad 🤷

[@TKMotoRolA_RazR]

cats will eventually drop the ego and embrace the heat system. heat bar adds extra strategy as well as adds to how matchups can play out. many players have ruled heat out as a "scrub mechanic" and refuse to use it. learn to stop worrying and love the heat system

[@slytorres5685]

To me the gameplay of Tekken 8 IMO ls the exactly the same as Tekken 7 so l do Iike both

[@kilejeson]

Just balance the game in general, because some characters carrys too mutch.

[@leorevolo7966]

When Tag3 or T9 drops people are gonna be like “Was Tekken 8 better?” 😂

[@Dr.Umbrella]

nah Tekken 8 is killing it in every way. I wouldn't change a thing

[@Tartersauce101]

You make some good points. The ch situation in T7 was crazy.