Is Tesla FSD v13 Coming to HW3/AI3 EV Cars?

[@dstylez1171]

If deepseek can do the processing of Ai at a fraction of the costs...Tesla must release fsd on hw3 to prove they can do it too😮

[@RobGreenlee]

I like the idea… we shall see.

[@dstylez1171]

@RobGreenlee let's give all current teslas v13 and as of 2025 models an onwards will continue to get updates and hw3 owners will stop at v13

[@RobGreenlee]

Big decision time for all Tesla HW/AI3 car owners wanting FSD v13.

[@Neubs-xv8tw]

I live nearby in Connecticut and have been running v13 full-time. Most days, I drive over 100 miles for work, and it's absolutely incredible. The difference between my old Model 3 running v12 and my new M3P running v13 is night and day-almost not comparable. Now, I regularly complete full drives without needing a single intervention. When I was on v12, I often couldn't even make it two blocks without having a disengagment. I’ve also noticed that, depending on how much I've driven that day, my car will upload 50+ gigabytes of data to Tesla's servers for further training. I’ve always monitored my network traffic, and I just started noticing this since getting v13. It's exciting contributing to the improvement of the system. The progress is happening quickly, and I’m really happy to be part of it.

[@RobGreenlee]

That is awesome to hear that. I am not sure if I will ever get v13. My best hope is v12.6 right now unless I get an upgraded CPU to AI4, but at this point they should just upgrade all the cars to AI5.

[@moreboost]

If there was enough demand the option to upgrade the processing CPU may become an option?Tesla as done that before. I have upgraded my computer once already for 2K. Let's all hope we have options. Thank you for the video.

[@RobGreenlee]

Very true, I think it is likely they will find a way to upgrade the AI computer in older Tesla’s as it is good business/PR to do so.

[@brianchen3093]

It really depends on if Tesla wants to capture the upgrade revenue. Just as you mention the old idea of having car keeping their value, Tesla may also need to adjust their performance metric. Instead of measuring their success on how many car they sell, they could start measuring how much profit they generate overall, including upgrade. Consumer can adjust our mindset that car is a throw away item after 5 years to buying one car and continue to upgrade and maintain.

[@danielquach5456]

Is a 2022 model x plaid a HW/AI3 car?

[@RobGreenlee]

Likely it is, yes.

[@nowsc]

… when I bought my Tesla Model 3 in 2018, Musk had promised that it would be fully self driving.

[@RobGreenlee]

Yes, that is the impression I had as well.

[@splatman2]

After speaking with a Tesla tech at local service department. Tesla has no plans in leaving Tesla owners behind like another fruit company does. 2% of Tesla owners/ lease have paid for a full self-driving package. Most others pay by the month turning it on and off at will. That also may be the future of FSD and no longer sell it as a package someday.

[@RobGreenlee]

Interesting that Tesla is leaving FSD as an optional subscription and not pushing it on all vehicles as a paid in full software update.

[@JRP3]

@@RobGreenlee Not enough people will pay for it at the current price and current functionality.

[@darwinboor1300]

Buying a new or a used AI4 vehicle is not an upgrade. Providing an AI4 upgrade for AI3/HW3 vehicles would add substantial cost for Tesla and would slow down FSD development. HW3/AI4 vehicles would require their own training supercompute and validation teams and would still be behind primary FSD development on AI4/HW4 by one or more versions. There is no guarantee that AI4 can reach full autonomy. AI4 and the yet to be released AI5 are already several generations old. We are rapidly approaching the day when AI will be optimizing AI hardware at the chip level. V12 is really good. Tesla will give it tweaks from newer HW4/AI4 versions of FSD when they can. Enjoy the drive. Buy a used AI4 when AI5 is released or go all in on AI4/5/6... when Telsa achieves full autonomy. Just remember that the truly optimized for autonomy FSD AI HW and external HW will follow the achievement of autonomy on lesser FSD HW. AI HW optimized for known FSD autonomy will likely cost less, work better, and be more efficient than the HW that achieves FSD autonomy.

[@RobGreenlee]

Increasingly thinking that waiting for an AI5 or AI6 car is the best path from AI3 at this point. It does sound like AI5 and AI6 will be in the RoboTaxi. Waiting till then is best and if Tesla does have an upgrade option for HW3 cars then that would be great. If not then is like having an old iPad, you recycle it and get a new car. If you even need to have a car by then.

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[@jamesponga9763]

Just try 12.6.2 in real traffic ...it's useless

[@RobGreenlee]

What do you mean useless, is it worse than 12.5?

[@jamesponga9763]

@@RobGreenlee 5 min. into the first drive on the freeway fsd never saw a car merging on whose driver never saw me either and I disengaged with an inch to spare avoiding a serious accident. So much for that incident. Further on the city was working on the lights so the red lights were flashing at each intersection. FSD braked and accelerated in perfect sync with the flashing red lights as it approached the intersection. Simply insane. Have not used 12.6.2 since.

[@splatman2]

After speaking with a Tesla tech at local service department. Tesla has no plans in leaving Tesla owners behind like another fruit company does. 2% of Tesla owners/ lease have paid for a full self-driving package. Most others pay by the month turning it on and off at will. That also may be the future of FSD and no longer sell it as a package someday.

[@RobGreenlee]

Interesting that Tesla is leaving it open to subscription services.

[@rekcahkeeg7117]

Month to month makes sense. If the car get totaled your not out the cost of FSD as car insurance may not want to cover that.