Is the 911 GT3's wing totally pointless? | Porsche 911 GT3 Touring road review

[@GoodwoodRR]

So, are you buying the GT3 with or without a wing?.... (Or a GT4 RS?)

[@tedlazakis5670]

Winged and manual. Its the roadable version of the GT3 Cup. It should look like it. I can understand the "wolf in sheeps clothing" appeal of the Touring so mine will be Gentian blue.

[@timwilliams2343]

If I could, I'd get the GT3 with the Touring Pack and without the big wing. It is for me just a little bit cooler.

[@AB-fr2ei]

GT3 Touring It has the beast in a suit look

[@DeanMurphyCDM]

Collected my dolomite silver manual touring 4 weeks ago 😊

[@eurekafarts]

i was voting without until i saw it in the woops at the end of the video

[@garyjohnson3751]

I’ve had my gt3 touring & absolutely love it and much prefer it to the winged version

[@Andrew9565-AD]

Well the spoiler is cool, produces downforce and makes it a better track car. The touring is let’s say a bit more elegant just because of its appearance and has faster speed because of the fewer drag

[@jasonbourne7499]

Less drag

[@Andrew9565-AD]

@@jasonbourne7499 my bad 😅

[@marcog1742]

Taller gears as well

[@kabob21]

@@marcog1742 No it doesn't, the GT3 Touring doesn't have a different transmission from the regular GT3.

[@marcog1742]

@@kabob21 the touring and regular both offer a manual and pdk, the gt3rs is pdk only, and is geared shorter than the manual, the manual has taller gears and a higher top speed.

[@drdreas]

There are other differences. The lower front bumper is painted body colored on the touring, black on GT3. The rear deck lid on the GT3 has a small duck tail, not present on touring. The touring has no alcantara steering wheel. These are pretty big things that mattered to me when choosing between them.

[@macarows4014]

Are you serious?

[@stevenkelby2169]

There are a ton of differences. For example the touring is quieter.

[@nikpapado9785]

man these are options..

[@drdreas]

@@nikpapado9785they're not options. On the regular gt3 you cannot change those.

[@davidmarquez3010]

Thanks for not having to input the same comment. Doug de Mouro said it was exactly as stiff as a gt3 and gt3rs

[@got_gt3612]

Absolutely spot on, got over 5k mi on my GT3 with the wing , absolutely love it!!!!

[@mayhem88]

Prefer the Touring. Id always be comparing the GT3RS to the GT3 wings and end up always wanting the 3RS.

[@AbandonedRaven]

It does look slightly better without it, one of the few times I think that in regards to the GT3 version. Most modern Porches in general look better with a wing I think, but that’s just me. Edit: And the shot at about 3:55 was amazing.

[@bigmacdaddy1234]

Um no. Modern Porsches look much better without a dopey looking wing.

[@AbandonedRaven]

@@bigmacdaddy1234 The “Um no” is a bit unnecessary when I said “but that’s just me”. In my opinion, I like them on modern Porsches, but if you don’t that’s fine too. I even agree with you with this specific car, but not with cars like the 2016 GT3 RS or the 2018 GT2 RS for instance. But again, that’s just my opinion. Edit: I think I just hate the shape of recent GT3 wing.

[@JamesDOConnor1916]

Great video sir awesome respect, I love me porsche especially the the GT3 touring 😀

[@bloomazda3]

Jeezus, that sound! Almost like the V12s from the seventies.

[@papa_pt]

I think it's pointless to call it a Touring without a softer suspension

[@rohankhanna2545]

Are both suspension equally stiff

[@papa_pt]

@@rohankhanna2545 yes I'm pretty sure there's absolutely no difference between the suspensions

[@AGC828]

The only reason you buy a GT3 Touring is for the fact that it's naturally aspirated and makes you feel more Elite.. Like a "91q purist'... Not needed to get the "Porsche Experience" for talk world everyday driving... It just sounds different and has a high price tag and is hard to get.. You need to have opened 4 or 4 911s to qualify to order one heh.. Nuts.. They're sell more off this wasn't the ruler

[@nicheaudioimportsnicheaudioimp]

@@papa_pt You can get the suspension settings from the ST loaded into the ECU. Then you switch back and forth as desired.

[@tomgraz7548]

I owned a GT3 touring manual transmission. I think the car is better suited with a PDK trans. Just my opinion. Looking now for a winged GT3 w PDK. I will remove the wing because the back end without the wing is esthetically better IMO when compared to the touring. Love the little duck tail on the winged version.

[@Indyfinnswim]

i have a 992 GT3 with the wing. I drive it on the track often, but i like the look as well. The Touring version has a wing that deploys at speed and serves a purpose. I've taken off the wing and driven it a bit but I consider it unwise since the car was designed to need a wing at higher speeds. this is just my opinion and there are clearly many other opinions

[@wolfeman11111]

Man I’ve been saying… the wing is literally only usable/noticeable when setting Nurburgring records

[@bits2646]

I'd rather have this engine in Sport Classic... Or the sport classic spoiler on that GT3 Touring :DD

[@NikoKyunKyun]

loving the look of it, road car doesn't need any wing, an under body downforce will do just fine

[@dendemano]

I don’t possess the driving ability for it to make any difference. Nor the money to buy it, ha ha. Enjoy…

[@portcarlingboats]

3:55 has significantly less torque and hp then a Turbo S, buy the Turbo put it in sport plus mode, down shift two gears and you will understand why the Turbo is the car to buy for your driving needs

[@StevenVanLoven]

I drove my 84 911 a week ago on these roads around Goodwood. A great setting to drive...and yes, this GT3 Touring is a fantastic car to.

[@dahei870]

Wow, that must be a nice area to live near. Plenty of driving roads like this around England?

[@StevenVanLoven]

@@dahei870 Lot's of roads like this , yes.

[@leonardoluc6362]

@@StevenVanLoven more lovely road in French, Swiss, Italy, Spain omg so much to enjoy when you own a car like this. My fav it the 718 Spyder manual.

[@StevenVanLoven]

@@leonardoluc6362 your spider is one of the best , mid engined , dreamcar for this ! My favorite places are like the mountain passes in the alps to the Italian Lago's ...

[@RAF71chingachgook]

Last weekend a fully streetable road legal 1963 Jag XKE did a 1:27 at Goodwood on cross ply tires. The best GT3 RS time I could find was a 1:26 on race rubber. The Jag still has a fully trimmed interior. Ah progress.

[@Gravy_Master]

What exactly is your point?

[@PhilbyFavourites]

@@Gravy_Master the point is, he’s erudite and you are much like your avatar - a fat bloke covered in sausages; stylish…..

[@WELLRESPECTEDAPE]

Not believing that one bud... 🤔

[@RAF71chingachgook]

@@WELLRESPECTEDAPE lol, look it up. Button was driving.

[@RAF71chingachgook]

@@WELLRESPECTEDAPE Goodwood Revival RAC race. The jag is a 1963 factory works lightweight. Race rules require crossply tires and original type brakes (solid rotor).

[@kem1521]

One difference not pointed out is the colour coded front spoiler

[@JBsC6]

I prefer the porsche 911 gt3 touring. I also prefer the black window surrounding .

[@hcooC]

The GT3s just beat you up. That’s why you see so many low kms cars with 5+ owners… the experience wears thin very quickly.

[@westsiyed]

spring-rate is the same?

[@997carreradriver]

Biggest aesthetic difference other than losing the rear wing is the painted front bumper.

[@DeanMurphyCDM]

There is no box you can tick to request P Zero corsas or indeed any other tire option. Tourings arrive with whatever tire porsche decided to fit in the factory. You absolutely cannot specify which. So far they’ve used cup 2’s, corsas and some Goodyear tire.

[@rubioalejo]

You forgot something here ! Air drag !! That's the most important difference! Same downforce but less drag on the GT3

[@jackprick9797]

Both of these are true: The soundtrack on the video is amazing yet the soundtrack doesn't do justice to what you hear in person. I know, I know, youtube compressed audio and all that but just in case some aren't aware, listen to one of these in person if you can.

[@JStryker7]

The touring is better. You aren’t actually racing someone with a GT3 since it’s not a true race car. A rwd car with less rear downforce is more fun

[@worniboyerich9049]

Pointless or not, it looks to lush without wing. Amen

[@mlukubone7134]

GT3 with the wing looks better IMO

[@weets69]

Luv the GT3 touring. Sleeper race car.

[@mikelyon5595]

It is the best-looking 911!

[@bobgees793]

Obviously it’s personal choice but I prefer a GT3 with a wing. Not sure why the Touring commands such a £ premium either, it should be cheaper imo

[@AntoniusTyas]

It's actually no more expensive than the standard GT3. Both are GBP 140k-something in UK. It's only when greedy speculators selling slots in the used car market that the GT3 Touring suddenly commands higher price over the winged GT3.

[@hpman911]

To be honest the discussion is only really academic as nobody can get an allocation for a new UK GT3 let alone a Touring unless you are deemed a very very “special” Porsche customer.

[@BRAINFxck10]

It should be cheaper but we all know Porsche charges MORE MONEY for LESS PARTS 😂

[@leonardoluc6362]

Yes it looks better by far just personal i love the looks of the T

[@jomommainoc]

Wing

[@KHdAnstaing]

The only real touring 911 is the base model. All others are pointless outside of a track.

[@jimsteinway695]

I bought my GT3s to go to the track and I go to the track. At Fontana in California you can tell if the car is unbalanced aerodynamically. The 3 NEEDS the wing. No wing not a 3. I have a 991.2 now but one time I tore my little front spoiler on the 996 GT3 and I went back on the track without it. It was unbalanced over about 120mph without the front lip. The 3 needs it’s spoilers The iconic thing about the 3 is the wing. Without it it looks like a regular 911. I personally think the RS is too much but the regular 3 is perfect

[@Moakmeister]

How much downforce does the Carrera’s wing create, exactly? It doesn’t even look like an actual wing, more like just a spoiler to counteract lift.

[@V86-V2]

It's indeed a spoiler to counteract lift, that's due to the 911 naturallly produces lift because it's shaped like a plane wing.

[@Greg-xk7sw]

I’d get the regular GT3 and delete the spoiler for regular use and put it back when I hit the track.

[@nichtfurdich3502]

TÜV sagt nein. Betriebserlaubnis erloschen, Ihr Fahrzeug wird stillgelegt!

[@ed5616]

How comfortanble it is for a let's say a 400km trip?

[@mochabear88]

I love the 992 spoilers compared to the 991s

[@ryryshredder148]

This is the first generation I would not get the touring version. The front is too aggressive to not have a wing on the back.

[@somebloke2238]

I'd have the touring cos I don't like swan-neck wings

[@redpoll4628]

Amazing car, anyway back in the real world for most of us, what's the best suv to buy?

[@GoodwoodRR]

www.goodwood.com/grr/road/news/2020/2/the-best-fast-suvs-to-buy/ 👀

[@PrimitiveMLG]

Exhaust sounds different

[@greggc.touftree5936]

The wing is ICONIC you have to get it!

[@Abaidavid]

I would have the wing version and just take the wing off when I want best of both worlds

[@mracer8]

I wouldn't drive my 911 GT3 without that BIG wing! without it! I might as well drive a Aston Martin!

[@SurviveTheDay]

I prefer my winged 992 GT3. It just wouldn’t be a GT without a wing. Porsche needs to stop making 50 different variants of the 911 to please everyone. Make no compromises and stick to the new motto: carpe secundum - get the most out of every second.

[@gseric4721]

I was thinking about this just the other day with the SLR McLaren's rear wing 😂😂

[@benlecluyse]

What an absolute rocket !! 🚀🚀🔥🔥

[@levrac68]

I opted for a 2022 GT3 and it's gloriously beautiful wing! For me the touring looked boring. sorry.

[@kmac5849]

My ideal 911 would be the Turbo s with the bonnet and front valance,rear central exhaust of the GT3 , just the exhaust sound to figure out😊

[@Stigz34]

I’d peel that black vinyl off the sides

[@ryanguercio7061]

Front lower bumper is painted on the touring

[@gridrunner1319]

Touring from the rear, with its awkward little wing up, is downright “butt ugly”. Looks like any other 992 911. Get the GT3, pull the wing off in 20 minutes, have a beautiful superior Touring with a classic Porsche “duck tail wing” …. !!! Videos on that all over KZbin ….…. 😎

[@antoniogrullon7404]

Rear steering wheel for got mention...

[@btravassos1226]

Long story short….. only a small percentage of high level amateur drivers can actually take advantage of downforce on a track. I drive a car with no downforce that many people drive the same car with insane aero added (c7 grand sport) and most haven’t set faster lap times. My father has a gt3 touring and I’ve driven it in south Florida and nobody bats an eye at it. Looks like a normal 911 to the average person. I’ll take that any day. There’s very few tracks that i go to that i would actually need the aero. I’ll take Hoosiers over aero almost 9 times out of ten if I’m chasing lap times

[@jep1912]

Never liked the ironing board look. Give me a Touring any day.

[@millicentsquirrelhole582]

Let's take a quick unofficial poll: How many GT3 owners don't have a traffic ticky?..hmm, the results are in and the answer is 0.

[@danjenkins2064]

I love the car, but the 991.2 GT3 Touring looks better in my opinion. This car’s front end is not appealing.

[@AGC828]

The price difference between aGT4M3 AND new Turbo S isn't that different...... If talking about certified pre-owned GT3S... New GT3z have hefty premiums eg GTE RS add $200k to the sticker price... In sure there's a premium for the other 2 as well.. Fire what???? So you can call yourself a"purist"?? Have da naturally aspirated engine sound?? AG's no turbo lag... That brief second? Wick 6 you don't notice in referral world driving...

[@gr4mas144]

Ultimate and best Porsche ever made for me is 930.

[@michaeljohncooper]

You cannot choose which tyres it comes on. That point is incorrect

[@hpman911]

I have bought several new UK Porsches and never been able to spec tyres. It’s not an option on the configurator either.

[@davidporeilly1]

So the car is a fancy name for a "rear spoiler delete " option. The whizz kids in marketing need to calm down and move to decaf.

[@caliwong]

Dislike the touring…why lose the downforce and get nothing in return? Why get a Gt3 at all if you’re not going to track it?

[@V86-V2]

Then make yourself this quiestion: Does everyone want a GT3 to track it? The GT3 touring was made for those who want a GT3 and use it daily.

[@simeonivanov3507]

No is not .On track is helpful.

[@morphyon]

If you have to ask, …it probably is

[@fredianocappellaro7406]

GRANDE PORSCHE 🔝 🔝 🔝

[@BiBooNKC]

In America a Prius is the Best Road Car lmfao that gas is crazy or a Hybrid in general Teslas are too unreliable been there done that

[@BPF80MCar-vi1pg]

It needs a ducktail

[@danmar007]

Oh my!! My dream car. If I could afford it I wouldn't get the outrageously ugly wing.

[@nakmuay5525]

Watch at 1.25 speed

[@BrunoG03-Vichy]

Spoiler alert! Spoilers are not necessary on all roads in the word, period. Plus they look kind of tacky.

[@th3orist]

the only problem i have with the touring is that when that little wing is deployed it looks SO ugly, like i can't bear to know that this is what my car is looking from the outside right now. if it was not for that ugly little thing in the back i would get the touring but as it stands now i would take the wing version.

[@kriskinealy]

No back to back test...Poor

[@rombaft]

Spoiler alert, it has no spoiler

[@rallymosm3331]

I like

[@legendbodywork1313]

So classy but at the drop of a dime put the pedal to the floor and kill every Ferrari and Lambo in class elegant powerful with a chin up this. Porsche haves it all and this is coming from a person who had several Porsche 911 mostly air cooled. And a 993 turbo

[@TheMystro1971]

Porsche 911s have recently become a measuring stick to one’s ego as opposed to their use and driving capabilities. Get past the wallet flexing and ego stroking and one will find every 911 is a weapon of speed from a base 911 to a 911TT. It’s just a matter of which weapon of speed that priorities your use and personal needs. Even the base 911 is 70% more car than even the spirited owner can use on the open roads. They are THE most rewarding performance car one can own. 30 years of 911 ownership as well as others in the top tier speaking. GT3 were designed purely as a track car instead of the ego flexing they’re being used today at the local Starbucks or cars and coffee.

[@JB-rp6it]

Wingless is better

[@snail415]

Painful. Pulled the plug after the pondering. Winnie the Pooh-core.

[@ltdada74]

Because the GT3 Touring and GT3 RS exist the Porsche GT3 is completely irrelevant

[@camburgracing]

GT3 needs a wing…. Change my mind

[@milohajek]

I constantly drive my 911 C4 st 150-170 MPH, so your theory about not getting to see the missing downforce of the resr wing. Yes. I have gotten a few tickets, but with a proper attitude, genuine remorse and the ability to strike up a conversation with the officer AND pay the ticket.

[@PhilbyFavourites]

Is the USA the cops will just pull you out of the car and shoot you….. I think you might be drinking too much southerner moonshine….

[@Boutit031]

Come home baby girl. I've seen enough videos from Serpentza about Chinese "culture."

[@AGC828]

GUYS see past the marketing sales pitches... ALL 911s sold to us are DESIGNED FOR THE STREET!!!

[@DOMTURISMO]

Zzzzz 😴🛏️

[@robertlulek1634]

In my opinion I love the giant wing on the Porsche GT three RS. To me it makes the whole car. It is the same way LAMBORGHINI STL looks fantastic with that giant wing. I love radical looking cars. Otherwise the Porsche looks like any other Porsche and boring.

[@mutantryeff]

Porke

[@andresmattos7541]

Overpriced car

[@hpman911]

Not in comparison with any of its direct competitors plus the running costs and residual values are much better.