Is the Anglican Way Protestant?: The Via Media (Catholic and Reformed)

[@antonyrafter99]

a good and accurate explanation!

[@aaroncarlson1162]

Lutherans are also via media because we started the "conservative" reformation - liturgy, creeds, architecture, episcopacy, sacraments... And so on. I would agree that Calvin and Zwingli, were the radical reformation however.

[@Psalm144.1]

Yes. Anglicanism post Reformation is Protestant. The 39 Articles are like the Anglican version of Martin Luther's 95 thesis. These two Protestant churches were the first established Protestant churches; so of course some traditions would remain.

[@michaeledwardnapier6815]

True. But the liturgy is utterly Catholic. The real presence of Christ in the Eucharist - all Sacraments - and their role on the life of the Church - completely shared with both Orthodox and Roman Churches - and true, no purgatory, but each week we pray for the Dead. So you could make the argument that Anglicans want to have their cake and eat it, too - that's true. But when it comes down to it, the Anglican Church is really Catholic - more than Reformed in fact. On some level, there's no real justification for the separation from Rome, but some form of the ancient Church has to be politically progressive, so that falls to us - especially the Anglicans in North America. A place at the table for everyone - excuse me, but the real Universal/ Catholic Church!!!

[@Psalm144.1]

@@michaeledwardnapier6815 Yes, the liturgy is utterly Catholic. I agree with you there. It is Catholic in the universal sense as being in harmony with the early church teachings from Augustine and similar liturgy. But not Catholic in a Roman Catholic theological meaning whatsoever. The theology is 100% Protestant and Reformed in the John Calvin, Theodore Beza, or Martin Bucer understanding of the sacraments. The separation is fully justified on the basis of justification by faith alone (Article 11). For instance, Christ is not in, under, or mysteriously in the elements. From the rubric of the 1662 BCP, page 262 in the CUP edition. “It is declared that no Adoration is intended, or ought to be done, either unto the Sacramental Bread or Wine…(for that were Idolatry…) and the natural Body and Blood of our Saviour Christ are in Heaven, and not here; it being against the truth of Christ’s Body to be at one time in more places than one.” In the Liturgy, page 249, “…we spiritually eat the flesh of Christ…” page, 256-257, “…feed on Him in thy heart by faith.” “…Drink this in remembrance that Christ’s Blood was shed for thee, and be thankful.” 39 Articles: Article 28: “…Transubstantiation is repugnant to the plain words of Scripture…The Body of Christ is given, taken, and eaten, in the Supper, only after an heavenly and spiritual manner…And the mean whereby Christ is received and eaten in the Supper is Faith.” Article 29: “[Although the wicked do eat in the supper, they are] in now wise partakers of Christ…”

[@Psalm144.1]

@@michaeledwardnapier6815 Coronation Oath question, established as law in 1688. Please notice how the Church of England is described. Anglican protestants like myself do not agree with acting and dressing up like Roman Catholics (eat our cake and have it too, kind of like you mentioned above). Archbishop. Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel? Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England? And will you preserve unto the Bishops and Clergy of England, and to the Churches there committed to their charge, all such rights and privileges, as by law do or shall appertain to them or any of them?

[@lenitaa7938]

Sometimes, it is necessary to plow the garden under and start all over!

[@medene]

LOVE THIS EXPLANATION!!!!!!!!

[@rev.j.rogerallen9328]

Very good and true, Sir.

[@a.i.marvin6180]

You can be anglo-catholic or anglo-protestant. Is that a sticking point with you ?

[@deusimperator]

You are Reformed and not Catholic. Read your articles of the Anglican faith at some point of time.

[@deusimperator]

@@nathanc5778 You are a moron who has not read the 39 articles... go read them for a change dumb schmuck... Come talk to me after reading them or you are going to sound like the dumbass moron you are. So go read the 39 articles, English reformation history during the reign of Edward VI, and under the Hanavorians. In other words, get an education,

[@lai_strength_training]

@@deusimperator Is this how followers of Christ are supposed to talk? You may be right, but you have sinned against him with your profane, insulting language. Repent.

[@michaeledwardnapier6815]

@@deusimperator I agree with you about the 39 Articles, but the liturgy - which is the actual practice of the Church is completely Catholic. The Anglican Church is far more Catholic than Protestant - the Protestantism of the English Church was always inextricably linked to politics. but read the Prayer Book, please. And any Rite of he Celebration of the Eucharist1

[@rohancrafford8050]

Wunderbar gesagt.

[@damian-795]

Great , Thanks for video

[@MatrixRZ5]

Good source of knowledge, I'm thinking of joining a reformed episcopal catholic church here in the U.S, I been roman catholic, and don't agree with a lot of things on roman Catholicism.

[@mosesking2923]

If you leave a church simply beachside you don’t agree with it, then you’re not really a Christian in the first place. Truth doesn’t change because of your feelings.

[@ca4882]

The catholic church will never conform to the world , you must conform to it, otherwise it's just like one more of the 40000 different denominations in the USA alone. Either you are catholic or not. Jesus wasn't wishy washy about morality and faith. He was very clear about his teachings and didn't say because some people didn't agree with Him. Well they crucified Him. And all the subsequent martyrs who didn't "go with the flow" .they chose horrible deaths over betraying Jesus' teachings. So.. decide and be wary of what you choose, your eternal life may depend upon your decision

[@joeltunnah]

Celia Arrazola, Jesus didn’t say Thou shalt be Roman Catholic, and Thou shalt be under authority of celibate male priests headed by a pope in Rome. The “on this rock...” verse says no such thing. Anglicans and Episcopalians are as much Christian as any Catholic. And we all recite the exact same liturgy and creeds, and eat the same Eucharist every Sunday.

[@mosesking2923]

And yet you are not the Church of Peter. Your false church was fabricated by a corrupt 15th century dictator who wanted a divorce and couldn't get one. Also, we DO NOT have the same faith or eat the same Eucharist. Your church does not have valid holy orders. All you're eating is a piece of bread, nothing more. Once you're church renounces the heresies of gay marriage, female priests, and an English monarch as supreme governor THEN you can say that you are actually a Christian.

[@joeltunnah]

Moses King, you obviously don’t know anything about the Anglican/Episcopal Church. - The head of the Anglican Communion is the Bishop of Canterbury, not the Queen of England. - We believe in the Real Presence in the Eucharist. It is absolutely NOT “a piece of bread nothing more”. - Our bishops have unbroken Apostolic succession, the same as yours. - Our liturgy, lectionary, and calendar are identical. And you don’t even know or follow your own catechism. See heading 818 regarding other denominations: “...the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers. All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.”

[@elenimichailidis2642]

the holy bible was written in Greek

[@samuelbcn]

Anyone can say they're anything if they change what ever it is means

[@adrianthomas1473]

Yes - also the view of W H Hutton

[@Behaviordoc2]

Does anyone know who this guy is?

[@pastorfergus]

Here's the Wikipedia article on him: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Dart.

[@regularfella]

Henry Winkler after getting into a fight with a bunch of bees.

[@AmandaViolinGirl]

why did the catholic Church abolish the passover and the Sabbath? Since that happened it has happened in every church. The catholic Church also introduced pagan customs and since that happened it has happened in every other church too thinking they are Christian traditions but they are pagan traditions. It has been rather upsetting for me to find out how much "Christian" things are not actually Christian. I was baptised in an Anglican Church and I am now glad my mum chose me to be baptised in the Anglican Church rather than my dad would have chosen the catholic Church. My Mom is Anglican my dad is Catholic.

[@markanthonyragasa7848]

+Amanda Saunders you can always find answer if catholics really have pagan custom. have you ever tried to find the reason? this coming feb 2016 catholic latin mass will be celebrated on king henrys chapel (anglican) 1st ever for 450 years, what can i say is that iam very happy for it.....

[@HeartfeltJudah]

+Amanda Saunders This is a good and sincere question. The Catholic Church did not abolish the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the day God "rested," showing the completeness of creation. Jesus rose from the dead after the Sabbath, on the first day of the week, which has symbolic significance. Some church fathers have called this the "eighth day." What they meant by that is that Jesus' resurrection is the dawn of a NEW creation, and the OLD creation is passing away. We have died to this age in our baptism and are new creations through faith in Christ. Therefore, as even the New Testament records, we gather on the first day of the week (Sunday) to commemorate the new creation. While it is still technically okay to observe the Seventh Day for cultural or practical reasons, it is no longer required since we have become dead to the law and this present age. One more thing to be said. The Epistle to the Hebrews tells us that the Law was a school teacher, a foreshadowing of the things to come. They have been revealed through and fulfilled in Christ. The Sabbath pointed us to Jesus who said "Come unto me all ye weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest." Jesus told us he is the "Lord of the Sabbath." We no longer rest on a day, then, rather we rest in a person. We rest in the atoning, reconciling work of Christ on the cross. The idea that the Roman Catholic Church changed or abolished the Sabbath is an untrue and unfounded accusation. Usually radical Protestants will pin it on Constantine or something, but these are conspiracy theories that are demonstrably false from biblical and historical sources. As for "pagan traditions," if I were a gambling man I'd be willing to bet you that most or all of what you heard as being pagan is either demonstrably false or drastically overstated. Nonetheless, I am an Anglican and am happy that we share the bonds of communion. Cheers!

[@Yuval70AD]

At Amanda The Most High said his laws, statues, and commandments are pepetual and everlasting. You need to read scripture and stop talking nonsense.

[@deusimperator]

You are correct the Catholic Church did change the day of worship from the last day of the week to the first day of the week. If you read the the letters of Paul you might have noticed that PAul indicated that the church was already worshiping on the first day of the week (Sunday). Every single one of the early Churches which claim apostolic origin worshipped on Sunday. The SDA and their demon possessed prophetess Ellen G white in one of her demon induced trances decided the Sabbath was the day of worship. Did I mention the devil made her do it?

[@Yuval70AD]

Paul is the servant and never contradicted The Most High God and His master Jesus. Acts 13:44. They meet on the next Sabbath day. Let's see what Jesus said, because most Christians misuse Paul's writing out of context. Read Matthew 5:17-20. Christ fulfilled the sacrificial element of the law. Christ likewise said anyone teaches contrary and does not keep the law will be called least in the kingdom. Christian doctrine forgets Paul said he would not know sin if not for the law. Sin in scripture defines sin as absent of the law. You mentioned Paul then church fathers, neither are God. God said his laws are everlasting and perpetual. How do you get around that. Paul was dealing with stiff neck Israelites who wanted the law without Christ. Likewise Christians today want Christ without the The Most High God. Revealtions 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Key points keep the commandments and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Sunday is pagan and there is a severe punishment for those who have changed God appointed times. Shalom