Is the Answer Really More of "Me"?

[@TheJoeschmoe777]

This is an older video of yours but easily my favorite. I really can't stand the lordship salvation being propagated by people who claim to believe in "grace alone, faith alone" but then turn back and say you must look to your works for salvation. In that case they're more deceptive than religions like Mormonism or Roman Catholicism, cuz at least they make it clear from the get go, they don't believe in Sola Fide. But people like David Platt would have you believe he does....anyway, yeah. Thanks for the solid video Pastor Fisk! Appreciate it

[@nightflight83]

Good video. Platt and those like him preach a "gospel" that has nothing to do with grace, but instead puts the burden on a person to make sure he/she is living in such a way as to merit salvation. They wouldn't say that, but that's what it is.

[@judithtaylor6713]

Another two rounds of this video which is truly excellent. Thank you.

[@judithtaylor6713]

Long live Lutherans! And true preaching of law and gospel.

[@javaswilling]

Amen, Pastor Fisk!

[@dshepherdssheep]

The languages of the world are inadequate and fall short when attempting to express God's love for us. Furthermore, our minds are dull. Ears closed. We give thanks for the Lord's faithfulness. His providence.

[@swm1700]

Thank you!

[@zachsmith1896]

(2/2) and with the Holy Spirit empowering us, go make disciples of all nations. Jesus says in Matthew 28, "GO (!) make disciples of all nations, teaching them all that I have commanded you..." So the fact Platt is going across land and sea (as you say he is doing), he is responding to the last things Jesus demands of us. To GO make disciples of all nations. He is diagnosing a frightening problem in the church, and gives the most elaborate and profound answer that is based only on scripture.

[@TheJsdrewes]

I think you're missing the point. Platt's "gospel" sets up Christians to be good Christians. What Rev. Fisk's is saying is that being christian is knowing you can never be a good enough christian and it is that Christ Jesus was the good christian.

[@jbrandtlhn]

Thanks Rev. Fisk. Excellent insights.

[@MegnMersRents]

Amen Dear Pr. Fisk... Ephesians 2:8-9. Works never works.

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

Amen Pastor Fisk!

[@BingtheLizard]

Well it seems that he made this video for people who watched the Platt video beforehand. Yes he does talk fast, but I listened intently and got a solid message out of it; not an arrogant monologue. No need to be rude or judgmental.

[@richarduk1196]

1. I totally agree with this critique of pop Reformed thought, and it also applies to more serious versions where the sinner's prayer and decision theology are not deployed but where moralism is smuggled back in after conversion (Galatian heresy). 2. I am also happy with paedo-baptism since the promises of God are spoken over, and to, the child at that time. But the promise is (Jn 3.16) 'whosoever believes shall have..' . It cannot therefore be, as Fisk suggests, that the child becomes a Christian at that time. Maybe the child, even when an adult, does not believe - never believes, and never really rejects either. 3. The danger with the Lutheran view, through its (hotly denied) use of ex opere operato sacramentalism (like Catholicism), is that it too needs a decision theology to allow people to walk away from a 'faith' that was 'wetted' onto them 4. I am highly attracted to the Lutheran position (pre-Melanchthon's reintroduction of free will) but find their doctrine on baptism quite bizarre. But, truly, I would love to have it explained

[@brycepatties]

He has two videos that might be exactly what you are looking for. Baptism One Point Oh and Baptism Two Point Oh should answer most of your questions, if you haven't seen them yet.

[@Outrider74]

Well said, Rev. If you're not aware, Platt has a book called "Radical" out which is essentially a call to "Protestant monasticism" (You're not a good Christian unless every spare dollar you have is spent on missions). He, along with Francis Chan, are (whether they realize it or not) flirting with Pelagianism. The frustrating thing about it is that, if you ask them, they will insist on the solas, but then deny it through their works emphasis. Keep up the good work!

[@rstewart2702]

Part 2 - I am a layman, and a member of Pastor Platt's church. He has always been careful to distinguish between the law and the gospel. He has preached long and often about justification by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

[@mulkster39]

Curious if he still bases it on the work of Jesus Christ...doubt it!

[@PeterSlayton]

Oh, sweet! I was looking in the wrong place then. I'll check that out. Thanks!

[@billbrasky9950]

Right on. Platt don't stand a chance against Fisk.

[@RomGabe]

Jenisedai, you may want to check out the Q&As on WorldviewEverlasting regarding contraceptives. Very biblical and enlightening. Blessings.

[@DennisScott3D]

What about when Jesus talked with the rich young ruler? The cost has always been high to following Christ. Don't ignore the strong words from Christ when He says that the way is hard that leads to life, Jonathan! By the way, I'm familiar with Platt's work, and he doesn't come across as preaching justification by works. He loves the Good News and I am so thankful for his gospel-centered ministry.

[@PeterSlayton]

Angelia, Pastor Fisk would be interested in talking to Pastor David more. As the producer for the show and his assistant, I'll send you an email and see what we could work out. Looking forward to talking more!

[@rukusfan1387]

David's church went the way of the ELCA - became a "Politi-church." The two great religions in America are Christianity and politics ... practice the faith, not politics - live the faith, do not live politics ("I got my rights...")

[@RomGabe]

hey Jason, no worries about veering off topic. I would love to read/skim the book section on worship. Again, pls. keep the term ADIAPHORA in mind. It is what helped me not to swim the Bosphorus (join the EO church). And helps me to have honest and listening conversations with my danish lutheran wife who does not feel so "attached" to the traditional liturgy. One can also go overboard with the Liturgy: check out "12 Days of Christmas Special: Day 1-High Church Christmas " video

[@MosesMedinaE]

Baptism is a means of grace like the sacraments. It's not a works-based theology at all, it's simply taking what Paul said in that baptism saves us.

[@wittig57]

Thanks for another video!

[@jnota1]

RomGabe, not sure you know this, but I'm a Lutheran. I have been for two years now. Our church does the Divine Service straight from the hymn book. I notice right away just how much the liturgy is from the Bible. I still like CCM and can't see what all the fuss is about.

[@Wanttoknowabout]

I think that you can post this as a video response to David Platt's video.

[@MosesMedinaE]

I starting reading it a few months ago in Afghanistan... and then stopped. It was exactly what you said.

[@Nyghtewynd]

I could never be a generic American protestant pastor. I can't speak that breathlessly all of the time.

[@Redlabdaddy64]

I wish You Tube had a "Two Thumbs Up' button.

[@DrewOchsner]

Hey Peter,either you or pastor Fisk should post this as a video response to the David Platt Follow me Video.I pray that all of the poor souls who fall into David Platt's teaching may find their way out. :-/

[@StayFishy]

The purpose of Pastor Platt's video was to awaken those that give themselves the label of "Christian" but live lives as if they are of this world. To inform them that saying the sinner's prayer as a kid but living a life of lukewarm Christianity does not mean that they are saved. His video had absolutely nothing to do with works vs. faith. I feel like this Pastor is dissecting Platt's video for his own edification and instigating an argument to demean Pastor Platt. P. Fisk please read 2 Tim 2:14

[@RomGabe]

Again, an ad hominem attack, instead of dealing with the issues and things (theology) said/presented. The truth (of this video) hurts ... God's Law condemns ... the Gospel saves and frees us. I think this video is definitely worth watching, for many reasons: distinction & importance of both Law & Gospel, where we put our trust in, what is Faith, decision theology, ... to name a few.

[@jeremiahross7047]

What Bro. Fisk fails to understand is Platt isn't trying to get believers to simply do more good things for him. That is a works based gospel. Platt is teaching that our works will be evidence for our salvation. We follow Jesus because it is the fruit of our salvation. Also, since Platt is reformed, he teaches that man is totally depraved and can not do good works outside of Christ. This is very scriptural. Romans 3:12 "No one does good, not even one."

[@RomGabe]

Jason, I would also recommend Revfiskj youtube AskDaPastor2.0 video answer on liturgy "The New Measures are Powerful". When I tell people why I appreciate the ancient liturgy is that 80%+ of it is literally phrases and words from the Bible .. this guarantees theological soundness. The only part one has to be very careful for is believe it or not THE SERMON ... where the pastor can be sloppy or really bring out the Law&Gospel understanding of the text. Happy viewings. Hope you get some laughs

[@RomGabe]

dear Jason, Rev. Fisk has been doing the videos since 2011 and as far as I know the music&ekstra video clips reflect his personality, hobbies, and message. They are also "crazy"ly designed for the post-mellenial generation whose attention-span is not even long enough to finish a Chick Cartoon Tract. Pls don't confuse one's KZbin channel with the Divine Service (aka liturgy).

[@RomGabe]

After reading this message I would encourage Matt to meditate on the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Sola Gratia, Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, Sola Christus, Sola Dei Gloria).

[@jnota1]

I know conversion is the Holy Spirit's work and not humans "making a decision." In his book he gives a slippery slope argument on contemporary worship. I should not of brought up his book here. I agree with what Fisk is saying here in this video. I'll check out that Loving The Liturgy video, thanks.

[@sarahclark5447]

Oh I want my dad to buy me this book, could you change the title Pastor Fisk, my dad wants me to keep rules not break them often lol, hold on a minute, it's my dad who needs to read this book perhaps. I think this pastor is very knowledgeable indeed. his best video was critiquing an American TV scientist, it was brilliant and very funny, do try to find it. Keep up the good work Pastor, well not good works obviously, well them too perhaps. .

[@jenisedai]

Hey Pastor- how do you feel about the Quiverfull Movement? Is it something we, as Lutherans, should be following? It seems a little questionable, but maybe that's an automatic bias because it's largely an Evangelical movement.

[@Wanttoknowabout]

Hi Ninja monkey. I noticed that when I click the comment field on the video, there actually is an option for posting a video response.

[@tedco92959]

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple. luke 14:26

[@PeterSlayton]

Response posted. We'll see if Tyndale approves it now. :-)

[@RomGabe]

dear Alaina ... please search WorldviewEverlasting website for this article "Faith, Work, Sts. Paul & James, Redux" (which will point you to James vs. Paul "dillema" on works). As one responder said earlier, don't look at your works, look at Jesus. Our godly works follow naturally because of the work of the HOly Spirit for those who received Word & Sacrament.

[@pastorwinterstein]

"You don't want to go to hell? Well Jesus got you out." Gospel ftw

[@Peteragent5]

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. John 3:5-7 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. --- Yet, God is merciful and shall show mercy when asked, even at times of death.

[@dshepherdssheep]

The book "Acts of the Apostles" (some say the more appropriate title would actually be "Acts of the Holy Spirit") explains by the Holy Spirit. We are only unrighteous men.

[@RomGabe]

Okay, fair enough. But what does/did Platt mean when he ended the promo-video with "Are WE REALLY, biblically, PERSONALLY following JESUS ?" ... Maybe Rev.Fisk misunderstood the meaning of this question, BUT I have not seen anyone here on KZbin comments engage with Fisk's take on these words. What is your take Jeremiah ?

[@RomGabe]

... on a more personal note, you state "your mindset will be COMPLETELY on God and His mission" .. .Have you, are you really able to keep the First commandment (and also the 9 others) COMPLETELY in your daily life ? Also, rev.Fisk has said what the Gospel is ... a few times in this video .. Sola Christus (and Sola Gratia, Sola Fide) ... thru Christ Alone, by Grace thru Faith alone!

[@MrVALYno1]

O, my good and gracious God!!! What in the world is going on? Deception is so rampant!!! I hope Jesus re-send His 7 letter to the 7 churches again. especially Rev. 3:1-2 and 3:20. 'I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. Wake up, ..." May be that would help. At this point, who knows? Only God (full of grace) knows it all.

[@Micahglausier]

James teaches that "Faith without works is dead." Jesus Christ said himself, "A branch that bears no fruit, I will CUT OFF and BURN!! I would hesitate before you through out the use of works. Works cannot save you, but if you do not have them..... you are not saved. "As the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead."

[@PeterSlayton]

Tyndale House, the publisher of the book and uploader of the video, has not enabled that option. Otherwise, I would have. :-)

[@FKLinguista]

You bring up a good point, Jason. However, although he is a bit untraditional with his methods of making Lutheran YT videos, his doctrine is 100% Lutheran. He is not criticizing methods of other pastors to "bring younger folks to church", rather, he is criticizing their doctrines. Even the title of this video suggests that notion. God bless. FK

[@Margrave_of_Brandenburg]

I have to say, the guy in this video is giving me a real strong Hannibal Lecter vibe... he just has this almost creepy calmness.... Nevertheless, yet another good video!

[@billbrasky9950]

Don't get mad just because Fisk is right and Platt is wrong!

[@ladysybil5695]

I've heard his preaching style is nothing like his videos.

[@dshepherdssheep]

"The Book of the Acts of the Apostles" (which some have said would be better if titled "The Book of the Acts of the Holy Spirit") explains by the Holy Spirit.

[@MosesMedinaE]

Exactly.

[@TLhikan]

The problem is is that objections like yours are hard to vocalize in a small group over one of Platt's (or Chan's) books; Everyone else says that of *course* they believe the gospel, they're just talking about living it out, etc. etc. The problem is, Christians in most evangelical churches are foreign to the idea that salvation was not their choice. For some, they've never even heard of it.

[@womanwonder10]

"But I still am hearing all of this as a result of you saying that that man's proclamation of Gospel to that child in that moment that eased his conscience, that took away his fear, is the problem! See, the problem is:we haven't taken away enough fear.We haven't preached the Gospel clearly enough.We've been so busy putting ifs, ands, or buts, restrictions and tangents, onto the Gospel that the Gospel's been buried underneath the Babylonian Captivity of man-made laws..." NotEven1/2wayThru+It'sA+

[@pjerwin]

I enjoyed your video, Fisk, but, dude, what's with the darkness around your eyes? Kinda reminds me of Eddie from "The Munsters"! Fine job deconstructing Platt.

[@RomGabe]

Dear Jason, while I have not read "Broken, the 7 'Christian' rules every Christian outght to break.." I think I have a pretty good understanding on the confessional argument against "creative worship." I believe you are judging Rev.Fisk's premises unfairly (mis-representing them). Lutherans argue from the Bible, and what it speaks about conversion. It is not a human decision, but the work of God the Holy Spirit. No amount of techniques, creativity...

[@slwebb17]

I believe "Follow Me" is a call to remove oneself from nominal Christianity and truly follow after Christ. I don't think it is fair to judge Platt's theological stance on a promotional video for his new book. Though I agree with your theological pov, your assessment of this video makes assumptions on what may or may not be true. Did you read the book before making this response video?

[@rstewart2702]

Part 1 - Pastor Fisk: I have enjoyed so many of your videos; can't claim that I have watched all of them, and haven't read your book, either. If I understand you (and Dr. Nagel?) correctly, I hand you a hearty "amen" when you say that adverbs are inimical to the Gospel. I beg you (or your associates) to take a closer look at Pastor Platt's writing and preaching (in its entirety and in context) before you lump him in with so many others who are spouting moralistic, therapeutic deism.

[@RomGabe]

partIII. Dear Jason, confessional lutherans value the Divine Liturgy as inherited from our forefathers (from the times of the Early Church) because it is full of God's word (we are speaking God's words to Him). The style (ancient, modern,etc) is not spoken FOR or AGAINST in the Bible (thus an ADIAPHORA). We lutherans, decide not to think we are wiser than 1900 years of church history wisdom of Word-filled hymnody. Check out vid "Loving the Liturgy - Grace Lutheran Church" on KZbin. Pax.

[@RomGabe]

Matt, pls. do not mis-represent what Fisk said (it was only a critique of the Platt's Follow Me promo-video) not an analysis of his "belief of faith-based salvation." Fisk even invites Platt to correct him, to dialogue with him. Where is Platt's response, I ask you ? Would you please share with us here, anything on the topic of Fisk's analysis ? ... instead of giving us your personalized/subjective opinion ? ("is so condescending. Not very becoming of a pastor.")

[@Smp5mHJx]

If you haven't watched this yet, don't bother. It is just a man who seems to like to hear himself talk mocking a godly David Platt who is calling people to true repentance. Very sad.

[@billbrasky9950]

It's called Law/Gospel. Platt, you should try it sometime... You may not sell millions of books but then again you won't be cursed for preaching another gospel (that, by the way, was the law not the gospel).

[@glommer261]

First, it's a tad unfair to lump David Platt in with all the other "evangelicals" (I guess that's an insult now) with everyone else that Fisk usually picks on. There's no comparison. Secondly, Platt isn't replacing a false doctrinal system with another doctrinal system. Platt is articulating the Biblical Gospel, which in fact must necessitate a command (Romans 10:16). Third, I can't help but see the irony of a baptismal regenerist blaming a Calvinist of a works-based theology.

[@berniepfitzner487]

JD Hall Baptism is the Lords work, not ours.

[@RomGabe]

Dear FieryFox ... do you even read your own comments to make sure they do not contradict themselves ?!? ... " in no way does the bible say anything about a prayer to be saved" Rev.Jonathan Fisk never makes that case, he bemoans the fact that Decisional Theology churches use this SinnerPrayer formula to "get people saved." That theology is flawed... and I believe Platt would agree with this point.

[@jnota1]

Really liked the music and video clips you add to your KZbin videos. Why is it that you do that? Why not just look into the camera and say what you need to say?Probably because it gives your videos more zest and makes them more interesting, otherwise you probably would not have a very large audience. It's OK I guess to borrow from Finney's revivalism and use "new measures" in order to liven things up while making KZbin videos, but don't try that in any Lutheran church- liturgical or bust.

[@AngeliaMStewart]

Pastor Fisk - shot you a response via Twitter but can arrange for a book to be sent your way and and a possible interview. Email me (Angelia Stewart) via our ministry office - [e-mail]. Happy to help. (If you aren't familiar with Pastor David or his ministry you can get more information at Radical.net.)

[@zachsmith1896]

(1/2)Jonathan, you are very mistaken by what Platt is saying here. I am glad you at least realize the problem he is diagnosing.. And you try and you attempt at picking apart what he is saying. It's pretty humorous because everything you are disagreeing with, you try and make a come back with wit and humor with you are actually,quite frankly, agreeing with him. Platt is not preaching a gospel that says DO this and DO that.He is saying respond to this powerful Gospel by living for the glory of God

[@jnota1]

I know that, and my remarks were facetious because he is all against pastors being creative in attracting young folks to their church.Creativity is sinful because it borrows from something outside Lutheranism.

[@rekeinserah]

I'm concerned that you all so often allude to Roman Catholicism teaching "saved by works", when that isn't what the Roman Church teaches.

[@aaroncarlson1162]

If he's alluding to the Roman teaching on justification - I think Rev. Fisk is aware of what is taught. Namely that we are saved by Grace, received by Faith (good so far)... But "worked out in Love" (in this life or in Purgatory). This may sound like Biblical justification to most American Evangelicals, because we're SO PIETISTIC and "sanctification" oriented these days (which doesn't mean sanctification as much as "made righteous")... However to a Lutheran, this idea of "growing closer to Christ [through good works] as a sign of our internal transformation", is a gross robbery of the merits of Christ to justify us TOTALLY. With Biblical (sacramental) Grace, we don't cooperate, we aren't "made righteous" (rather we're declared righteous)... We recognize our total depravation, we confess our sin to a pastor and we receive his gifts of Word and Sacraments, and that had the final say on our stance before God.

[@RomGabe]

@Rekeinserah .... actually the RCC catechism teaches just that. That salvation is about our cooperation and working out in love with God's Grace, whereas we receive more Grace (infused Grace, NOT imputed Grace). Works rightousness has a BIG part in Roman Catholic theology of salvation (soteriology). Just read the RCC Catechism.

[@RomGabe]

partII. Dear Jason, No amount of techniques, creativity, fancy praise&worhsip band will add anything/make a different to anyone's conversion to Jesus. The Gospel of John speaks that the Spirit blows as it will. The only thing the church is responsible 4 is to preach God's word and faithfully administer the Sacraments (Word&Sacrament), and we individually to share the Good News with our friends/relatives. Pls. search for "Means of Grace" ... the way that God works salvation and brings us Jesus

[@Micahglausier]

I think you are confused about Calvinism.... Be careful judging others hearts, I do believe the Pharisees did the same thing.

[@OdoHD]

Jesus>Religion Forever!!!!!!!!!!!

[@FKLinguista]

How many ad-hominems can we fit in one comment? "Either you were the kid that was picked on in school or daddy wasn't there..." how would you feel if your child said something like that to someone, let alone an ordained pastor who has made this video with good intentions? You seriously can not give criticism to anything he said, nor talk about the content of the speech, but just comment on how quickly he speaks? You basically just wasted two minutes of your life saying absolutely nothing.

[@Micahglausier]

This video comes off very haughty.... Be carful, without love your knowledge is nothing.

[@Exodous26]

After watching this video, I would encourage Mr. Fisk to meditate on I Corinthians 13:1.

[@josiah6383]

Jesus commands us to love... and all of are really rude. does not seem like love to me.

[@ItzMeJacE]

I have loved your videos thus far, but I am sorry.. you need to do some more research on David Platt and what he is about. I do think you have most definitely over-reached in this video. You have him all wrong, and I am pretty sure you both have very similar views, just different deliveries. lol (His point of 'Follow Me'(one of the best books I have read, truthfully), is to encourage us to make disciples , to share the Gospel. And not worry about all these works etc. He is ALL about sharing the Gospel. He is NOT trying to tell people to do any works and follow a set of works. He is saying FOLLOW JESUS and SHARE the GOSPEL. I promise you... please look more into his work and ministry.)

[@RomGabe]

@Beautiful COnfusion ... you charge Rev.Fisk with overreaching in his video. While I respect David Platt, do you also understand Rev.Fisk's quibbles/problems with the video he is reviewing. It is really about "more of me" problem, and not so much of Jesus Alone ... as far as the video is concerned. I don't think Fisk has commented about anything else except the video in this review.

[@Micahglausier]

So if you hear a man who says, "Follow Jesus" just as Jesus said to the rich young ruler... You are a poor soul. I am not sure what Bible you study, but it is obviously not the Word of God. Come and taste that he is good!! Follow him!

[@GregMathisisawsome]

Is indoctrinating infants, then telling the child they are CHRISTIAN really any better? Based on your method my religion would be determined on my geographical birth place. I assume you were indoctrinated this way. What would you be if you were born in Turkey, or in Isreal???

[@NotBizarro]

Pastor Fisk, I have respect for you and your work, but you really are straining at gnats in this video and really misrepresenting what is being said. What Platt is talking about is people selling a gospel of pray this prayer and presto you are saved no matter what. People no longer trusting in the sufficiency of the cross of Jesus and His resurrection, but rather in their own decision and in their own prayer. Platt is saying that the reality of the cross that is meant to crucify the flesh and the beauty of the gospel is that brings dead men to life. The gospel is now nothing more than a "get-out-of-hell-free card" or getting your ticket punched. You even said so yourself, that Jesus said for His followers to pick up their crosses and follow Him. Platt is speaking out against antinomianism or easy-believism.

[@stephanielavack8874]

You make some good points in your video, but I'm having trouble understanding who you made it for? You seem to have some knowledge but I think you just like to hear yourself talk. You talk a hundred miles an hour like you have all the answers. Seemed arrogant to me. Either you were the kid that was picked on in school or daddy wasn't there, all I know is you like to hear yourself talk. You should try the micro machine commercials you'd be good at that.

[@RomGabe]

@Stephanie LaVack ... we are not called as Christians to resort to ad-hominim attacks. Rev.Fisk has his style (which apparently off-puts some) of editting the dead-time/seconds to compress as much content in the little time allowed. Pax!

[@Rippedheart777]

Sad how Fisk is so condescending. Not very becoming of a pastor. Fully a supporter of Platt, Fisk has never bothered to research on Platt's belief of faith-based salvation. It is clearly evident in all of his books and sermons. You will know them by their fruits, Pastor Fisk.

[@erinrobertson595]

Don't waste your time on this video. A "Christian" making fun of someone who actually takes the call of Christ seriously is heartbreaking, especially for a pastor. We are condemned to Hell, and saved by a Merciful God. And after that, Jesus calls us to share that good news with others by setting an example of following Him. Fisk completely misses the point of Platt's message and displays that through his disappointing amount of mockery.

[@AdamCress]

ignorance based on a very short video clip for a book. arrogance and mockery shown very well.

[@RomGabe]

@Adam Cress ... do you agree with Rev.Fisk critique of the video itself, by itself? Fisk is only limiting his critique to the video, and has some strong points AGAINST it, imho.