Is the BYU vs. Utah "Stolen" Victory a Sign of a Bigger Problem in the Big 12? | Baylor Football

[@tombadil64]

No, there was no stolen victory. Even assuming it was a blown call (it wasn't) that's football. Utah couldn't score in 3/4 quarters. They also scored off of a bad facemask call before the half. They had so many chances in the final quarter to put it away. Byu kept going basically 3 and out, and utah could not capitalize. They lost this game. They gave it away.

[@codytinabannister1336]

They could have stopped BYU after the penalty. Lmao bad look utah

[@bunscita]

@@codytinabannister1336 They could have won the game on the final play but chose to lay down and go full Karen on the refs while the play was live.

[@Snowboarder-ov2ss]

Yormark is the right man to lead this conference. Harlan is one of the reasons why the pac-12 dissolved. He and the other presidents and athletic directors all thought they were hot stuff and worth more than they apparently were.

[@wasatchm]

was he in on it? I thought it was only the U of U president. maybe the AD talked to harlan behind the scenes and convinced him to be an idiot.

[@gumshoe2273]

Yeah, Mark. I'll bet you'll be talking to the Commissioner.

[@FatsFan1956]

He had a $40,000 talk with the Commissioner!

[@CharlesKim-ee8ie]

"Utah took advantage of a big break - Glasker apparently sacked Rose for a big loss, but officials flagged Glasker for a facemask penalty that didn’t appear to be legitimate - and quickly went 45 yards to become the first team all season to go up two scores on BYU." - Jay Drew, Deseret News

[@brandonl2555]

Don’t forget the soft roughing penalty later on that drive.

[@davidswanson5669]

Yeah that face mask penalty is the one thing for me that erases any complaints by Utah. That call was crap, and the replay so obviously showed that he was only grabbing the jersey.

[@wasatchm]

agreed. but I think most refs would have thought that was a face mask.

[@bademann1]

5 losses in a row in a conference they thought they were better than. And it will probably keep coming. Beautiful.

[@tkbalser]

The point in the game should have nothing to do with a call. It was the correct call, a definition of DB holding. What other rules don't you want the officials to enforce? The official saw it and called it. Stop your whining Mark and Kyle. A most disappointing response from the Utah leadership.

[@Snowboarder-ov2ss]

I think we should give out a weekly Mark Harlan trophy to the team that believes they won a game that they actually lost.

[@brandonl2555]

We should just add a fourth column to the standings. Wins-Losses-Ties-Harlans

[@HolyWar2468]

It wasnt a stolen victory. Three other horrible calls/no calls from the refs that benefited the dirty Yewts, one leading directly to 7 pts for them. Yet they dont cry about any of those calls. Mark really was holding back the tears here, pathetic!!

[@sarahmccoy1941]

If there were “horrible no calls” then perhaps Harlan was correct in his criticism of the officiating? Was the game stolen. I have no opinion since I did not watch it.

[@raysmart5673]

I hate those comments about it shouldn’t have been called at that point of the game. How is that fair to BYU if they don’t call it. He impeded his progress and it is obvious.

[@brandonl2555]

That bothers me too, in all sports. “You can’t make that call at that point in the game” why?! What he did was illegal. You can’t tell me it’s fans wouldn’t be causing this same uproar if BYU’s line had held to prevent the sack and the refs didn’t call it... cause “you can’t throw a flag at that point in the game.” They’d be saying the same thing cause in their mind the flag should have been thrown.

[@caseychaffin2801]

Agree 100 percent.

[@brettallen1440]

A foul is a foul, doesn't matter if it's the first minute or the last minute. Just ask the Eagles Bradberry in the SB. Go out and play defense after the hold instead of letting them March down the field for the winning FG.

[@OrangeTree253]

For sure, else you can just grab all the receivers on the last play of the game

[@BradleyBeatie]

If Mark is saying they stole it. Then go take back the 7 points on the touchdown on the facemask call with wasn't a facemask but his jersey he grab which happened on a 3rd and long that would have been BYU's only sack in the game which would have pushed them to about 4th and 15. In this rivalry game players do stuff at the end of the game which if you take it back to the beginning it has always been like that and he got caught him at the end doing something stupid. Then Mark made it worse by going on the field during the kickoff at the end of the game. All the Utes gave the game up at the end which they have been doing all season after the king went out for the season and they lost all hope at that point. Utes go back to the WAC!!!

[@MitchellLamoreaux]

The sack was on first down...? What you mean 4th and 15?

[@wasatchm]

in all honesty, that was a poor call. but I think most refs would have called it. that would be utah's argument.

[@KLP99]

I'm a retired referee. (This is long) 1. Holding was the right call. We had a saying I've heard at every level: If it's a penalty in the first minute, it's a penalty in the last minute, period. 2. The Utah player was smart to duck his head when his jersey was grabbed by the BYU player, selling it as a facemask when it wasn't. Kudos to the Ute. Poor call. Utah scored a touchdown after that blown call. 3. BYU stopped Utah in 3 of 4 quarters. Both teams have elite defenses. They use the same scheme. BYU's Defensive Coordinator used to be Utah's. Why didn't Utah stop BYU from kicking the field goal to win the game? 4. The bad attitude of the athletic director is all over the non-athlete population at Utah. And if Utah had scored on their last drive where they ended up throwing the laterals all over the field, it would have been nullified because their stupid athletic director had walked onto the field to yell at a referee while the play was live. WHILE THE PLAY WAS LIVE! That's what got them the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty 'on the bench' at the end of the game. Now to be a little personal: I went to BYU. My wife went to the 'U'. Because of everything that's gone on during our 47 years of marriage and her watching me referee High School football (even turning down an offer to referee college football because I had young children I didn't want to leave every weekend) that she has switched loyalties from Utah to BYU. Yes, there are jerks that go to BYU and cheer for them. But far fewer than go to the University of Utah. I've dealt with both fan bases for years and I can tell you the Utah fan base is a lot rougher around the edges than the BYU fan base. And like everything else in life, there are exceptions. I used to work with a guy who hated the Mormon church yet cheered for BYU and had season tickets to football. Maybe he still does. I've lost track. In any case, Utah gave the game to BYU. But BYU still had to take it. They won fairly and are the better team. This year. Will Utah come back and be better next year? Not with this AD. He needs to find something else to do.

[@wmdubinhad]

Someone needs to show Utah the door back to the PAC12.

[@joeguerra8435]

@@wmdubinhad Please do. Utah would be joyfully welcomed back and appreciated in their real former home PAC conference. The Big 12 needs Utah more than Utah needs the Big 12. My hope is that the Utah decision makers are in direct behind the scenes talk with PAC decision makers to talk terms that would bring Utah back to The Conference of Champions.

[@DC-nt5lh]

PAC 2 😂

[@tombadil64]

@@joeguerra8435 4-5. You guys really do live up to the caricature lmfao.

[@CharlesKim-ee8ie]

"Utah took advantage of a big break - Glasker apparently sacked Rose for a big loss, but officials flagged Glasker for a facemask penalty that didn’t appear to be legitimate - and quickly went 45 yards to become the first team all season to go up two scores on BYU." - Jay Drew, Deseret News

[@HolyWar2468]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 ...you're an idiot.​@joeguerra8435

[@scottthefamilyman1533]

Lots of emotions last night. One of the wildest games I've ever watched.

[@MDS53162]

There was no stolen victory. Get real! A hold is a hold. Tapes were reviewed and several holding calls committed by the Utes were not called. Reminds of basketball where people complain about a late foul call and always say let the players determine the game😮 B.S. Dude clearly committed a hold in an attempt to not get beat by the receiver. The Big 12 needs to learn about Utahs programs. They do nothing but complain at every turn. There A.D. should be canned so the program can go in a better direction. They played in a weak conference and now, after losing 5 in a row in a real conference are losing it. Welcome to the Big 12 Utes. Leave if your unhappy. The WAC is calling😅

[@ABaird]

Not a stolen victory.

[@sarahmccoy1941]

Utah has been the replacement team for Big 12ers to hate on this football season now that Texas and OU are gone. Mark Harlan was upset about the game. He would have been smart to take an hour or two to cool down prior to making any kind of statement. In all fairness to him, I think we all have said something or done something during the heat of the moment that we have later regretted. Rivalry games often bring out the worst in people, whether it be a game like Michigan-Ohio State, Alabama-Auburn, or Texas-OU. I believe that vloggers are compounding the issues with these kinds of threads. This only causes more hard feelings.

[@alext3102]

$40,000 fine!

[@CharlesKim-ee8ie]

"Utah took advantage of a big break - Glasker apparently sacked Rose for a big loss, but officials flagged Glasker for a facemask penalty that didn’t appear to be legitimate - and quickly went 45 yards to become the first team all season to go up two scores on BYU." - Jay Drew, Deseret News

[@brandonl2555]

In honor of the game winning field goal by a team that loves the Big 12, they should have fined him $44k 😂

[@bademann1]

40k for not only his after game comments, but entering the field to yell at refs while the game was still going is pretty mild.

[@varrick1226]

You have to kick Utah out or fire the AD you can't tolerate this as a league especially a new team in the conference.

[@lylestavast7652]

You can't put the ball in the endzone the entire 2nd half, it's not the refs.

[@jamiecoyne2925]

What a stupid comment...why the hell does you didn't score in the 2nd half matter. So any team that doesn't score in the 2nd half of a game needs to lose...that's so asinine. If your gonna make an argument for your team winning...make it a winning argument. Not um well you guys didn't score in the 2nd half.

[@brucecheney8205]

Not stolen. BYU held them to zero points in the second half. In fact they never made it within field goal range after half. Let's give credit to the BYU D also.

[@alpinestar339]

Waaaa waaaa waaaa go back to the PAC12. I almost forgot how bad Utah football and Utah fans are. Last nigjt reminded me that there are not many real Ute fans, mostly just people who are BYU haters. Mark Harlin should be fired and I lost a lot of respect for Kyle Whittingham last night.

[@jakemon4550]

After seeing another angle it was holding and it was actually pretty bad the receiver was almost pulled to the ground.

[@rockymtn1291]

Might be inappropriate but Harlan’s comment kinda reminded me of the opening lines in Dances with Wolves, the guy says “ I’ve just pissed my pants and nobody can do anything about it.”

[@TheRealBearDad]

Maybe Utah should go back to the Prog 12.

[@KobyMathews]

The prog 12😂😂

[@butchcassidy8965]

They should! The big 12 is a trash conference. Highly overrated.

[@tomschmidt4330]

😂​@@butchcassidy8965

[@TheForgottenMan270]

​@@butchcassidy8965If it's so trashy, then why did Utah join? The PAC 12 is no longer a power conference and if it were ever rebuilt and Utah joined them, they would be joining a group of 6 conference. The truth of the matter is is that Utah isn't as good as they think they are. The only other power conference they may have a chance in joining is the ACC, but even that conference may be losing its power status. So where would that mean for Utah? B1G and SEC won't take them because their media market is worthless to those conferences, so that leaves the Big 12. I'm perfectly ok with Utah leaving the conference. They never wanted to be there to begin with anyway. They moved from the PAC out of desperation.

[@butchcassidy8965]

@ Big 12 being a power conference is laughable. 😂😂

[@randyconklin]

Ive lost all respect for Coach Whitingham and the Utes. They need to grow up. They are so used the calls going their way during the holy war.

[@m.nielsen9050]

After the penalty, it was 1st and 80 yards to the goal line and 1st and 55 to field goal range, yet Utah has the refs to blame.

[@rdprice3028]

As a former student at the University of Utah I am really not suprised by the actions of the A.D. and coach. Utah has had many great wins over the last few years under Whittingham but it has very much gone to their collective heads. They have become very pompus and just expect that they are going to beat everyone and that the other teams should live in fear of their defense. I think this season is the best thing that could have happened to the program. temper tantrums from adults is just pathetic.

[@marks.3510]

And it starts up again...BYU didn't really win the game, and snuck their way into the Big-12 Championship; just like they really didn't win the 1984 National Championship because there was no playoff system. It never ceases to amaze me how some in sports media try to find SOMETHING to denigrate and dismiss BYU's accomplishments. 1) Sitake's time-out call was in time. 2) The holding call was a legitimate call, if you review the available video angles and the ref had the best angle. 3) The "facemask" penalty against BYU was NOT a good call if you review the video. He had the top of his jersey and shoulder pads. 4) The Utah AD was on the field while play was going on. The Commissioner should also ban him for 5 years from being on the sideline. You along with many other sports pundits have begun to sow your seeds of doubt regarding BYU's accomplishments. However, their record speaks, very loudly, for itself. Why not just give credit where credit is due, or are you too steeped in Baylor green and gold?

[@CosmicPen]

Bad coaching by Utah in the second half IMO and I’m a Ute.

[@CharlesKim-ee8ie]

"Utah took advantage of a big break - Glasker apparently sacked Rose for a big loss, but officials flagged Glasker for a facemask penalty that didn’t appear to be legitimate - and quickly went 45 yards to become the first team all season to go up two scores on BYU." - Jay Drew, Deseret News

[@2009chumpchange]

The "point in the game" is immaterial. What is that? If a dB mugs a wideout, then it should be called. My guess is the dB had been doing it on other plays and had the refs attention.

[@brandonl2555]

What if BYU held the d line to prevent the sack and it leads to a big play? Should they throw the flag on that? My guess is ute fan says yes.

[@renyhicks8425]

100% this. Anyone who even suggests that rules should only be enforced at certain times is a moron. If that's the case then every DB should just tackle WRs at the line if scrimmage every play inside of 2 minutes remaining. Such a stupid thought process.

[@crizouch1]

Yep. They gave advantages to Baylor when BYU beat them. Sure fought hard to try and get a win for Baylor.

[@heartbreak25]

Thanks for being objective and showing multiple examples of failures.

[@merlebyu1]

Hey new subscriber to Locked on Baylor, I am a BYU fan, I have enjoyed getting to know other fan bases with these channels, this was a typical BYU v Utah game. Records do not matter. I dont think the game was "stolen" at all.

[@davidfrey5654]

Two immature adults. They are in sports! It’s their profession! What a bunch of losers. They could have stopped BYU after that. They didn’t. Both of those men will look back on this moment as an embarrassment in their career.

[@hawkbabby]

Nailed it with the squirrels on a college campus 😂😂😂🙌🏻

[@gr1629]

Utah's biggest problem is arrogance.

[@davus4242]

And a lack of talent.

[@bademann1]

Their biggest problem is quality. Second is arrogance. 😂

[@Crypt0rkid]

I came to the Big12 as a BYU fan but I'm fast becoming a Baylor fan. Your program and fans are class acts!

[@The_Bank3r]

How about that facemask penalty that upon review wasn't a facemask? Put Utah in a place to get a TD. Guess it evens out

[@bademann1]

Except the holding call was correct.

[@lukeslc-xd8ds]

A no call IS a call.

[@CharlesKim-ee8ie]

"Utah took advantage of a big break - Glasker apparently sacked Rose for a big loss, but officials flagged Glasker for a facemask penalty that didn’t appear to be legitimate - and quickly went 45 yards to become the first team all season to go up two scores on BYU." - Jay Drew, Deseret News

[@williamwatts164]

Db held well after 5 yds...and that penalty does not answer for uses allowing the drive success there after

[@aBrewster29]

I can’t wait for you guys to roast JT. 😂 The petulant whining about officials is one thing…what in the world does that have to do with your league affiliation??? That’s the true hallmark of deeply rooted arrogance-a complete lack of awareness. Harlan should have known that Utah didn’t make a good first impression in joining the Big 12. This was so, so much worse and can’t be undone by a single statement of “we are proud members.” Honestly, Utah needs to repudiate Harlan’s statement and discipline him. I doubt anything will happen though-the coaches, admin, boosters and board are all sucked into this arrogance.

[@brandonl2555]

The most hilarious thing is that crew joined the Big 12…from the PAC 12

[@davus4242]

@@brandonl2555 Hilarious if true, but is it?

[@brandonl2555]

@ Kevin Mar was a PAC-12 official and was the crew chief for this game. I suppose it’s possible the rest of the crew isn’t, but crews tend to stay together

[@cesathoresen3401]

It wasn't a stolen victory...the issue is people hate to lose. UT only scored in the FIRST QUARTER. If they had scored more, then yes BYU would've lost.

[@chariwall65]

They only scored in the SECOND QUARTER.

[@davus4242]

Maybe you meant they only scored in the first half.

[@scottybthebaylorking6736]

Jeb Hartness is the ref that you don’t remember by the way.

[@CharlesKim-ee8ie]

"Utah took advantage of a big break - Glasker apparently sacked Rose for a big loss, but officials flagged Glasker for a facemask penalty that didn’t appear to be legitimate - and quickly went 45 yards to become the first team all season to go up two scores on BYU." - Jay Drew, Deseret News

[@Paysoncougarfan.7885]

I will trade Utah the 3 points BYU got from the 7 Utah obtained from questionable calls.

[@JayElek]

Last year OU vs OKST .. at the end of that game OU was coming back then there was clear missed calls it was really bad. I understand they didn’t want both teams leaving to rep the conference

[@byuftbl]

Nope. Bad teams don’t do what’s necessary to win, and blame the refs rather than the fact Utah CHOKED in the second half, because byu shut them down. Deal with it.

[@alexdegaston422]

My suggestion to any Big 12 team is to play each game towards building up a Margin of Safety so that when the last quarter of the game starts that their team can more easily obtain victory (despite any last minute tough calls) because they did their job during the first 3/4 of the game to dominate their opponent. What Utah forgot to do was score some more points during the 2nd half. The W-L record of teams that don't score any points in the second half of a game is abysmal. So, even when you build up that Margin of Safety then don't forget to keep on scoring & working hard to keep the other team from scoring points.

[@alexdegaston422]

What if the Field Goal kicker had missed that last field goal kick? What would the Utah AD have said afterwards? Should we still keep this rule that what happens to the ball once it leaves the kicker's foot still matters?

[@brendenpowell9812]

The problem with the attitude of you can't make that call in that situation is that when you do, you run into what happened on the 2 point conversion in the Bengals and Ravens game. 3 facemasks grabbed, 1 defensive holding and what looked like a pass interference on the intended receiver all on one play, but not a single flag thrown. Those arguing not to let the officials decide the game with a flag are also the same screaming at a play like that, of how can you not call it.

[@agarber1932]

Utah should go back to the PAC 12. NOW!

[@davenichols4352]

Oh...they are going to Big 10.

[@davus4242]

@@davenichols4352 This is why the Big10 didn't invite them. They knew Utah was nothing more than a bunch of whiny windbags, as they were in the Pac12.

[@FatsFan1956]

I totally disagree the holding call was not a good call. Had the receiver not been held the ball would have been thrown to him and Retzlaff would not have been sacked. The hold had a major consequence and it definitely was holding.

[@Darrius996]

The new playoff has changed how rankings and games are judged. It is very sad. College football is being destroyed and soon will just be another professional sport without the soul that made college football so worth watching.

[@bartbutkis]

Yeah! You obviously don't know the difference between a CB hand-checking a WR and a CB grabbing a jersey and pulling the WR back toward him. PS1: I hope the Baylor AD got his ass fined as well for his gem. PS2: How about Baylor's football coaches being fined for incompetence.

[@welcome2paridice824]

Utah is the best team in the Big 12!!! 😂🤣😂

[@camharrison400]

They’re still waiting for a B1G invite lmao

[@davus4242]

"Best" team.

[@jeyvjoty]

Since when is a penalty a penalty based on when it occurs, it's still a penalty in the 4th qtr as it is in the first qtr, the call is good or bad based on your allegiance to the teams playing, in the second qtr of this game BYU was called for face masking call that kept a drive going for Utah which they then scored a touchdown. instant replay showed there was no face masking but in real time I thought it looked like a face masking and I understand why it was called, again Utah lost this game by getting only 79 yards of total offense and 4 first downs in the second half and not stopping BYU from scoring enough points to win this game.

[@MrDepodot7]

26 million witnesses saw the hold

[@wmdubinhad]

Loved your words!!!

[@brucecheney8205]

If he wasn't being held then Retzlaff could have thrown to him. Just because it is in the final minutes doesn't mean you throw out the rule book. He held, he got caught and the refs got it right.

[@rockymtn1291]

They can compete with Boise in the MWC.

[@louisdeaux8620]

Ok let's get something straight. Many of my colleagues in media regardless of the sport have this fixation with a myth that the rules of a game do not apply from the beginning to the end. I often wonder how many of you have ever taken a physics or math class because you seem to think there is this magic moment when rules no longer apply. 1. The call was clear. Neither the Time Out or the flag were late. You are NOT smarter or more experienced than over a dozen long-time professional officials including 3x Superbowl Veteran and Dir of media officiating analysts for NBC Sports Terry McAulay who all said it's a clear penalty. You might not love the call but what does reality and time frame have to do with that. I am fairly certain that Baylor teaches natural law. As such... 2. You cannot go skydiving at 10,000 ft and free fall 9,000 ft, pull the rip chord, discover your chute is tangled and while plummeting to your death say, "Wait God you can't make that call in this moment, it's not fair, and I should get a (splat)." Natural law is God's way of teaching us that rules and laws apply in life 100% of the time. Law must be enforced at the kickoff and until the end. When you don't enforce the law like that, a so-called superstar like Michael Jordan is allowed to push off on Byron Russell in two game six events in two separate NBA finals and sink the winning shots without an offensive foul making the Chicago Bulls the champions twice and the Utah Jazz forever #2, twice. Everyone on the planet knew Jordon had gotten away with that not once, but twice in his NBA career. We'll never know if Chicago would have won both games sevens because the officials decided the rules of the game did not apply at that moment as time ran out. But the LAW says the Bulls should have been required to win according to rules enforced from beginning to end. Both times Jordon committed egregious offensive fouls. As a basketball analyst (USBWA) I stopped watching and caring about the NBA the second time that happened. Your attitude about rules is lazy fare. That cannot be how gamesmanship or professionalism works. To be a member of the media and take the pathetic whining Rick Nuheisel approach to that call is simply bad form for professional media. It's not that you argued the official made an error. It's that you argued the official should have not flagged the penalty. You have lost credibility by not admitting in the first moment that the call was legitimate. L. E Deaux FWAA 1982-Present

[@TroyBrock-o7w]

As a cougar fan, I've known Utah has a side of their culture that is difficult for us to deal with but their words and behaviors the last year or two have been shocking. The Utah brand has been driven into the mud and the program has become the heel of college football. Petty, reactive and entitled.

[@davus4242]

All because of Kyle and Mark.

[@chasealvey4998]

It's funny how crap teams blame their losses on everyone other than themselves. "Hey, we suck." "We suck too, wanna be friends and blame the refs when we lose?"

[@wasatchm]

is HARLAN a top notch AD? I would think for many AD's who did this, they would get fired by the university president. it's one thing the critique the refs. bit, it's something else to say you won and the game was stolen from you by the refs.

[@andynoutah1234]

RUN THE LEAGUE

[@garthcasper3955]

Mormon love .

[@jimzanios3260]

Try tech and Colorado

[@timwatson1544]

I can't comment on the Utah/BYU game specifically, but this happens in every conference and more as it gets to the end of the season. Conferences don't want their big money schools losing to a lesser school in the conference. It is bad for business.

[@adamjohnson9014]

I would love to know what had gone on before that play that influenced the ref to throw that flag. The Utah defense is known for getting up in bump cover and really making it hard for recievers to get off the line. I love it! They get up into it and blitz hard and just see if you can beat them. It's an aggressive and fun type of defensive football. At the same time, you're gonna have times where guys are bumping too far down the field or get their hands on a jersey longer than the rules allow. Watch video of Utah and it happens all the time. If it were possible, I'd be very curious to hear what led up to that call. Had the ref had conversations with the player warning, hey, watch your hands when you're the reciever is getting down field, etc.? Refs don't call everything that happens on the field often they are managing the situations the best they can through conversation and warning. There is far more management talk that goes on during the game than any of us know unless we're on the field. I don't know, but I'm curious if there was more that led up to the call being made.

[@mattwoolley764]

I was at the game an honestly despite my hatred for BYU it was an unbelievable game from both teams. I have had season tickets for a decade and i have never heard the stadium that loud. From someone who witnessed it in person Utah stuffed them over and over. BYU had 1 timeout at that point, somehow they called timeout after the snap and for some reason wasn't charged a time out. Next play Utah D stuffs them for a safety or so we thought. D holding on the outside wirhin 5 yds completely outside of the play is very sus. The reality is BYU (despite my hatred for them) is the Big 12 s only chance at a CFP playofff spot. From this fans perspective not a single team in the Big 12 deserves an invite. So be fans and support your team but we should all be hoping our schools put better product out there.

[@adamjohnson9014]

@mattwoolley764 I'm confused what your answer has to do with my comment. Seems unrelated.

[@bryang9601]

Mormons had BYU for the win, not the spread…the refs played along too 😂🎉😢

[@lancelittrell369]

Baylor is as dirty as a team gets, so y'all are one's to be talking.

[@LockedOnBaylor]

Of course, brother. Let it out.

[@carlreed6186]

It seems to me that from time to time refs make questionable calls or miss calls that help the higher ranked team win. the reason is money. Penn State will get a lot of money for their conference if they make the playoffs. In the OT vs USC the refs missed a DPI and a Defensive holding and Penn state won. Vs Washington they missed two DPI by Penn state and two holding calls on their offense that helped them get two TD's. In that game it did not matter as Penn State completely dominated Washington but the USC game that is a different story

[@RON-m8c]

🤭 It Wouldn't Matter Because Boise State Would Beat Either One Of These Teams! 😜

[@davus4242]

Thanks for the comic relief 😂

[@RVcoug]

No one cares about Boise State.

[@RON-m8c]

@@RVcoug When All of The Big-12 Teams Are Sitting Home in The Couch, Boise Will Still Be Playing! Enjoy Watching Jeanty Accept The Heisman Too!

[@mattwoolley764]

Utah fan here. First let me say i'm learning teams in the Big 12 so give me some slack. That said I think the Big 12 has greatly underestimated the teams coming out of the the PAC 12 (oregon). From my perspective the Big 12 as a whole is weak. The games are entertaining but only because the sub pat football (including my boys). At the end of the day there is no team in the Big 12 that stands a chance against the real power 5 teams. Lastly, if you are a football fan and you think that call was a good one you need to check yourself. If this happened to Baylor you all would feel the same way. And please do NOT pretend you understand the rivaley between these two schools unless you are from here. I dont care what game it is, No game should be decided by the ref on some ticky tacky BS call. I look forward to future games with Baylor and their incredible fans.

[@cstreet1824]

Actually the only BS call was the non-existent face mask call against BYU. Any comments on that? Conveniently forgotten, eh? And the hold was absolutely a flagrant hold. Are your eyes bad, or is it your bias?

[@RVcoug]

The majority around the country disagree with you on the call. I haven't heard one person say that wasn't holding. They might disagree whether or not you call it in that situation, but no one thinks it wasn't holding. You have the current rules analyst for Sunday Night Football (former NFL Ref) saying it's a textbook hold every time and in every situation. It's a weird thing to say that the Big 12 has underestimated the PAC 12 schools. I think maybe your team underestimated the Big 12. This is a more physical league than the PAC 12. A mediocre BYU team went 5-0 against your vaunted PAC 12 in '21. Everyone knows the SEC and Big 10 are better, but we don't crap where we eat and crap all over our conferencemates.

[@davus4242]

@@RVcoug Exactly and spot on! The PAC12 was the weakest of the 5 conferences. It's curious why Utah would leave such a "prestigious" conference as the Pac12 in the first place? They should have just stayed there and been the darlings of the Pac12 for generations to come. 😂

[@joeguerra8435]

The Big 12 probably wishes it was basketball season. Because, nobody is taking your football prowess football seriously. The Big 12 is still flyover country for the SEC and Big 10. But, distress not because you do have tougher than nails wrestling programs that are fun to watch and to be taken very serious.

[@seanbrower4701]

Who cares I've been a fan of BYU my whole life. And all of a sudden have a realistic chance to get a 4 seed and first round bye in the NCAA playoffs. You think I care how everybody looks at the big 12? Lol nah blood I'm good

[@mrp4242]

@@seanbrower4701You’ll care when BYU loses in the Big XII championship and gets passed over for a 5th SEC team.

[@seanbrower4701]

@mrp4242 as of this moment they would be playing Colorado. And I'm not sure how well you follow college football but BYU would dominate both sides of the line of scrimmage of that game. And also it's been a pretty well known fact that if BYU goes 12-1 than they are a fairly safe bet at getting an at large. So nice try but I'm still good yo

[@seanbrower4701]

@mrp4242 still a lot of football to go. If they make it they make it if they don't than they don't. Me and you arguing about it won't make a difference in what happens.

[@seanbrower4701]

@mrp4242 and also all of that is dumb. The fact of the matter is BYU just having a chance to get a 4 seed in the national playoff is something they've never had before. The NIL and transfer portal along with being a power 4 is already doing wonders for recruiting for BYU. They about to get a commitment from #1 basketball recruit AJ Dybantsa. So BYU has a bright future and it's exciting to be a BYU fan right now. BYU is here to play and here to stay..so get used to hearing about BYU more and more

[@spinfish-4355]

Where can we send donations to Mark Harlan? Big twelve needed a team in the playoffs, make it possible refs. Shazam!

[@davus4242]

This win had nothing to do with a Big12 team making the playoffs. Regardless of record or ranking, whoever wins the Big12 will be in the playoffs. Sorry, not sorry, for your delusion pain. "The 12 participating teams will be the five conference champions ranked highest by the CFP selection committee, plus the next seven highest-ranked teams." "The four highest-ranked conference champions will be seeded one through four and will receive a first-round bye. The fifth conference champion will be seeded where it was ranked or at No. 12 if it is outside the top 12 rankings. Non-conference champions ranked in the top four will be seeded beginning at No. 5. Because of this, the seeding, 1 through 12, could look different than the final rankings."

[@phillipcook3430]

BIG12 is terrible. Overrated. It’s the little brother to the BIG10. The G League of the BIG10.

[@seanbrower4701]

BYU is looking at 3-4 games away from making the national playoff. I think the big 12 is just fine

[@ulical]

You can sugarcoat it any way you want, but if that penalty isn't called while Ratzleff is getting sacked, Utah wins the game. It's that simple. It's one of those moments in a game that completely determines the outcome. BYU was out of TOs and Utah would just have had to kneel a couple of times to end the game. So, it's pretty disingenous to trot out all of the other factors/details when, in reality, the game was over the moment that a tentative change of possession took place.

[@ryanbwilkinson89]

Oh man imagine being held to the rules until the end of the game? Entire organization is clearly undisciplined

[@Pacific009]

Haha it wasn't even the last play of the game. Utah let BYU march down and kick the game winning field goal. Dude's a clown and their entire organization is in disarray.

[@ulical]

@@ryanbwilkinson89 LOL, I can tell that reading comprehension and critical thinking aren't big things among the BYU faithful. Isn't it a bitch when the team you hate doesn't even acknowledge you? That's some serious karmic shit, isn't it? Good luck with the rest of your season.

[@ulical]

@@Pacific009 LOL...BYU fans are like that obnoxious and toxic ex-girlfriend that doesn’t want to accept that the relationship is over and that the other party doesn’t want anything to do with her. Good luck during the rest of your season.

[@alpinestar339]

Receiver isn't held. Maybe BYJew hits him for a 12 yard gain and a first down. Of course you have to call an clear penalty.