Is The Divi WordPress Theme Dying?

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[@PapaStrumfPS3]

I watched video of 4 mins and never saw answer to question in the title of the video. Thanks.

[@arjayaguila8595]

Thanks for this, yo just saved 3mins. Of my life

[@case_0223]

Never got past the ad, thanks for saving me time

[@lamontemagnifico7149]

Exactly

[@elontusk6841]

Goat

[@paperking3168]

@@elontusk6841 lol

[@gracan.4193]

I use Divi in many client sites, I like It ❤️ I Hope they stay around in the WP scene.

[@AIContentHacker]

DIVI is going to thrive after the block addon function. I've tried other themes and plugins. But I eventually found out that I love DIVI the most. And I am going to promote and educate people in China about DIVI with WP.

[@jackiemasek4866]

The more Gutenberg is rolled out the more the WP ecosystem of plugins, builders, and themes will be put out of business.

[@FalkoJoseph]

Which is a good evolution

[@wzt9376]

Gutenberg still kinda sucks in my book I'm all for it to be better but it's not like those big builders are out of the game at all.

[@realfingertrouble]

It's funny when Gutenberg was just on the horizon a lot of plugin builders pooh-poohed it and said it would never work, that it would never replace page builders or ever. It was obvious back then where Wordpress was going, and the wise people jumped on that train. It seems Divi and a few others didn't and are now running to catch up with FSE and all that. Is it perfect? No. Will it have all the functionality of these page builders? Maybe, but not yet. There's a real opportunity of using the core Gutenberg block ecosystem and making it easier to create sites, and providing extra things that Automattic will never do, specialist stuff. I could see people like Divi creating block patterns and styles for people to use, and extra tools to build sites that improve the rather basic editor. But you snooze, you lose. And I suspect a lot of devs were too busy posting -1-star reviews on the Gutenberg plugin page 😛

[@wherezthebeef]

Gutenberg moves at a snails pace compared to Elementor, Divi, even Beaver Builder... and the latter seem more intuitive to me. Other than developers/web designers, I don't know any actual customers/clients who like Gutenberg.. mostly they hate it with a passion. So y'all here are cheering for something (Gutenberg) that provides a worse customer experience. My take. This is like some echo-chamber of insiders , ask your clients if they love Gutenberg as much as you/y'all do.

[@AndyHTu]

I've been using Gutenburg for awhile and I still look for themes lol. I wish more people created better Gutenburg sites though as that is what I mostly look to use just to embrace the change.

[@vaughanprint]

I guess the race is on for Divi then. It will be interesting to see what they come up with. If they succeed it will be good for both the block editor and Divi. Diversity is good and inevitably necessary.

[@barsk76]

Jamie; besides the divi subhect, thank you for showing builtwith statistics page. I didn't know Builtwith has this feature. 👌👌

[@dozentis]

me too, thanks jamie

[@c0o1]

It makes me happy to know builders will use more core functionality and run faster.

[@marcoscandido7434]

I think the title of this video is too strong and the porpose is just to create buzz and audience. No, the Divi Ecosystem has so many passionate developers involved in it that's impossible to die any soon. There are tons of third party plug-ins that makes Divi a complete web dev suite like Divi Supreme, Divi Engine, DiviFlash etc. I'm a proof that Divi is slow for BEGINNERS who DON’T KNOW how to optimize the tool. I believe that Divi will be as fast as the newbies Breakadence and Zion but of course much more powerful thanks to its Ecosystem and solid foundation. Anyways, the web market is huge and there are options for everyone. One thing is for sure, Divi has millions of supporters, several communities, haters and lovers and entire organizations self-sustainable making money out of it.

[@websiteckron8591]

I like to use Divi, as I can specify the user roles. The client are able to change just text and images, there is no huge knowledge necessary to work with divi as a client. This is very good.

[@jamiewp]

👍

[@edmiddlebrooks1696]

There's always a guy in every field that makes this video. Is this the death of... (Insert thing here). No, Divi isn't dead, dying, or anything of the sort. You're just attempting to get clicks. By the way, things people design would last longer if you weren't planting this BS in people's heads.

[@jamiewp]

Lets check back on the stats in 1 years time.

[@realfingertrouble]

Sorry when Gutenberg first arrived - I don't mean recently, the first blocks appearing - I think well before v5 or it was the first Gutenberg prototype plugin/editor betas, many moons ago - people were having EXACTLY this conversation, that the page builders lunch would be eaten by Gutenberg. It seems some of them didn't heed that warning and kept on doing stuff the old rather clunky way. Sucks to be them. I ditched page builders years ago with the constant upgrade issues, I have one site that uses it still but it's basically grandfathered. Whereas FSE and Gutenberg is a world apart from what that was like.

[@comartse]

I don’t like to work with WordPress themes that highly rely on shortcodes as they are theme specific. To me, that’s a one-way road. I think those themes relying on shortcodes are for experienced users. It’s not fair to recommend newcomers to WordPress to start with Divi or the other themes of the same type. But, to me it seems natural Divi support the solution WordPress offers. Time will tell how they succeed.

[@qanadel313]

They will get rid of shortcodes with Divi 5

[@robertallen1295]

If Divi rebuilt the frontend along with the backend, they'd have Bricks, which is available today. Me, I've moved on to Kadence and Cwicly. Page builders now feel "heavy" and over-complicated to me. Elegant Themes has a tremendous amount of legacy code to refactor. I think they are running out of time to stem the flow to simpler, Gutenberg solutions.

[@rogerdix3024]

Spot on. Kadence is great. I favour GeneratePress at the mo as I have a lifetime dev licence and it's so fast compared to Divi. I think the simplicity of the Kadence and GeneratePress themes will win them many new followers.

[@BucurIonNiculae]

Guaranteed not to die. More than likely they had big sales now on black-friday and the number of customers has increased.

[@tristanco5493]

I love Divi too much but now Divi is so slow, to big code in pages. I think i will go try Kadence

[@jamiewp]

Have fun!

[@mikeburke1993]

Thanks. I am only now looking into Wordpress. Thank you, sir.

[@jamiewp]

Good luck 🤞

[@jplsolutions-ca]

We are a Divi shop and slowdowns in growth is a natural business process and to be expected.

[@MarkConstable]

What is divi?

[@Innerdiamond]

After updating Divi elegant themes, Ive been unable to edit my website. All different and I hate it. No edits work and very confusing.

[@wherezthebeef]

I'll continue to use Divi because I love working with Divi, clients love Divi sites, and I'm just not going to be led around by the nose by Google or any industry 'consensus' telling me I need to use some blocks, Gutenberg, some less capable page builder, theme... or my pages need to have some 99-100 score.. because Google says so... Google.. we're being jerked around by Google.

[@JohnKelly6x6Design]

Their "major" upgrades screwed everything up with this platform. It once was nice a few years ago, but now it's just buggy, slow, and no longer my choice to build with. There's always a problem. ALWAYS!

[@scotimages]

I used Divi on my own site and now hate it with a vengeance. Stop using the old version of Divi and you were just left with a bunch or short codes. Handy for developers of course!

[@alanjerram9258]

It's a little optimistic to think the Gutenberg experience is going to rival the Divi interface, flexibility and capability any time soon for people who choose the page builder method. Gutenberg still seems very limited and particularly lacking when it comes to front end preview.

[@davidpouet1372]

Gutenberg + a plugin like stackable, qubely or cwicly is WAY BETTER experience than divi and much much faster front. Divi is completely out of the game now and has a terrible reputation. Elementor, brizy or many other builders are way better too.

[@intelula]

4:40 what do I hit to get more cat videos

[@jamiewp]

😉

[@prateekbhardwaj9943]

speed of website should be better, i m giving up using divi , better to use simple free light weight themes.. user experience and speed matters.

[@daveloodts8961]

No, it won't die. Every builder (plugin/theme) has their own audience. And that will last for quit some time. But Divi needs to step up; but this step is a bit to big, complex and gonna take too long to convert their "bad" reputation. There are so many improvement points that need urgent fixes, all their development time goes into Divi 5. I have a support ticket for months (while issue is internally aware for quit longer), 2 seconds delay because of the way how DIVI loads images. And it's not that giant of issue to solve. In fact, it will instantly make Divi faster for every site. But no, Divi 5 all in. I would rather see them take smaller development steps and embrace their current customers; cause otherwise a part of it will be gone.

[@vaughanprint]

Hi Dave, Curious to know more about the way Divi loads images and how it could be fixed. Any merit in getting a gang together to put pressure on ET to fix it now?

[@daveloodts8961]

@@vaughanprint install the Query Monitor plugin and see the slow queries caused by the Divi function: et_get_attachment_id_by_url. It's doing what the function says: getting the image ID based on it's URL. Meaning: the query has to run through the whole library. It's absolutely ridiculous crazy, right? Divi does that for every image. Imagine that for a store with thousands of products and so images. In our case 15K products: that is 0,1 second extra load for 1 image. So on a 20 product category page: that is 2 seconds caused by this query alone. Divi should be ashamed to even keep this function any day longer in their theme. (by the way: i have not built that site; it is a take-over project)

[@daveloodts8961]

@@vaughanprint okay, after intens code investigation i went with my result to Divi Support (again). Then they simply replied: maybe it's the "enable responsive image" setting. And yep; that caused the delays. In other words: 2 - 3 months of back-and-forth Divi support delay. Hat tip: never ever use that Divi setting.

[@vaughanprint]

@@daveloodts8961 Thanks Dave, that's good to know. I'll check and make sure to turn it off.

[@PapaStrumfPS3]

Hello Dave, I'm thinking buying 89$ licence so I can use Divi for multiple customers, would you recommend it when it's all said and done?

[@JonBius]

I hope it will die off. As well as the others. I've not had a single client yet move to us that isn't sick of Divi, and frustrated with managing it. My biggest concern is the hoop jumping we may have to do with a Divi upgrade. We have several dozen Divi sites, and it may require some tough conversations with customers. We have several *hundred* sites on the stock Wordpress editing environment, and in a decade of upgrades never had a problem - even going from the old editor to Gutenberg. Thanks for your work Jamie!

[@realfingertrouble]

Same - well similar,. not for clients and not totally Divi but I used to use WP-Bakery on a site and I found it clunky and annoying, so have avoided page builders ever since. But I stuck to core themes and Gutenberg and while I can't say zero problems, - had issues with the changes in Galleries breaking ediitng old posts and my CSS code- I've not had the niggling major upgrade headaches I had with WP-Bakery. Every upgrade was stressful.

[@AaronVanNoy]

I purchased the unlimited version a LONG time ago, and hated it from day one! I’m happy that I’ve ditched all “page Builders”. Granted, I’m using Kadence. Divi has been dead to me for years! 😂

[@Line49Design]

Ditto. Moved to Kadence! Same benefits, more future proof

[@hakaiyou4532]

5.0 will be a great thing once it comes :D

[@visualmodo]

Very good work!

[@ferdinandgetti1260]

another question. Are pagebuilders dying? I think not but it will make no sense anymore to use them, because of AI. But we will see. Developers can develop easier and faster. So it should get cheaper. All right?

[@chadgarber]

I think it is dying because it got way too complicated.

[@dannieo5195]

It's a so slow and sluggish builder. Sometimes it crashes and I lost my works. It's also annoying with its responsive screen devices,when you edit one, it's updating others also causing you to go back and forth typing the same thing. So many duplicating tasks. After using it for a few months, i regret buying it.

[@tjthomas5518]

A better question is, Is Wordpress dying? Gutenberg is trying to overlay js (React) on top of PHP and it's a mess. Double coding essentially if you really want to do something out of the box with your site. Someone who uses Gutenberg blocks in the editor can't get dynamic content. The content always stays the same. At least Divi gives access to dynamic. Wordpress is just trying to sprinkle powdered sugar on a, ahem... I've stayed with the old template file system in my dev biz while learning about blocks. I open blocks to my customers according to their needs and tell Wordpress not to show them what they don't so they don't mess up the design or get overloaded by too many choices. My two cents.

[@jglasshalfpool4640]

I've been trying to move away from Divi to building sites with the block editor and have found learning block theme development to be an absolute brick wall so far. That's really what's keeping me using Divi right now. I've built a dozen or so websites with it and I find I'm always wanting to do things Divi doesn't allow for and building on top of it and the builder REALLY doesn't like displaying pages built with the Divi Builder that are also loading even small amounts of external CSS. Plus the longer and more involved sites I've built quickly become buggy. Divi is always forgetting saying thinhs like 'failed to load your saved layouts', or the builder loads to a white screen. I have one site where the builder now crashes the browser when activated in Firefox but still works in Chrome... no idea why! I'd love to get away from Divi have really struggled to match the functionality and knowledge with Gutenberg.

[@venomweed]

It was alive all along ? :P

[@EvandroPastor]

Divi using blocks????

[@TucAdventures]

I gave a like just for the cats...thanks

[@user-pd6jc9ls9s]

Is Divi done now?

[@jamiewp]

Nope

[@user-pd6jc9ls9s]

@@jamiewpOk thanks, I Hope Divi makes comeback..

[@JoseReyesMKT]

Yes it’s

[@cyberwip]

Divi is not dying, but wasting your time pondering the future is.

[@jamiewp]

pondering the future is dying?

[@tonybp]

DIVI is terrible, you always have to be writing CSS and do a bunch of hacks and tricks to make it display properly, especially in mobile.

[@jamiewp]

Interesting 🤔

[@ferdinandgetti1260]

The key is AI. It will be all easier. Who knows what direction this will go in the next 2 years. So - nice idea this video. But in 1 year we will see more. If not in 1 year - then in 2 years for sure.

[@Markonia_]

Divi is going down. No doubt about it. I have 6 Divi sites and I'm converting all of them to Kadence. I've had enough of this bloated theme.

[@elevateyourcreativeness]

I feel that Divi’s new take on blocks will be a game changer for them. While there are some stiff competitors out there, Divi has the advantage of being tried and true and actually been around way longer. I feel that there are 3 thing’s that could take Divi to a new playing field. 1. Introduce a popup/modal maker without having to rely on a 3rd party plugin. 2. More form functionality to bring it up to speed with what the others are offering. 3. Introduce a custom loop builder.

[@jamiewp]

Yup it will be interesting to see version 5 👍

[@Servant-of-Christ-net]

no

[@tomnelson8936]

They're going to use React! That will fix everything! OK

[@newdiviontheblockblocksfor4030]

They have been using React for years.

[@TheMiracleX-13]

AI is moving very fast and at this point, nothing is stopping it. Millions of jobs will be affected worldwide once companies embrace the use of AI. Its like movie terminator in real life.

[@davutyankar]

Oxygen and Divi will close soon

[@kevinschmidt2210]

Oxygen has transferred their efforts to BreakDance.

[@chemerys]

Agree! And Bricks pushed Oxygen.