Is The Dumpster Fire Still Burning?? || EVE Echoes

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[@pfclumi]

That intro was pure comedy gold. 😂 I litterally laughed out loud.

[@captainbenzie]

Glad you enjoyed

[@x-Spirax-x]

Its that time of game play folks! Unload all assets into ISK, unload ISK into PLEX, come back in a year. Maybe. If.

[@captainbenzie]

Lmao if it's still here then

[@x-Spirax-x]

@@captainbenzie depends if that business model they sell everyone is still legal

[@RogueAkuma]

i just wish all of my assets in Eve Online werent stuck in Null-Sec stations owned by a coalition im not a part of anymore

[@MagicMarvin33]

I moved everything to a normal station when I had a brake. Lucky I did or I wouldn't have anything

[@DenethorDurrandir]

Sit down capsuleer, warm your hands by the dumpster fire, Captain is speaking.

[@captainbenzie]

😂

[@ArnoBach]

​@@captainbenzie please refrain from using God's name as a profanity. Please repent.

[@captainbenzie]

@@ArnoBach I'm glad you have a religion, I'm glad that it gives you something to believe in and makes you feel your life is better. Your religion is not my religion. You believe in one god. I don't believe in any. There is only one god difference between us. I won't tell you how to live your life, and respectfully I ask you not to dictate how I live mine.

[@TheShardsFamily]

Over a year of not playing I've given up hope

[@DenethorDurrandir]

@@ArnoBach Benzie's or anyone else's relationship with god is none of your business, and you have absolutely no right to demand others to behave by your own standards, please keep that in mind when engaging with people of various beliefs on the internet, and my god have mercy on your soul.

[@RayHorn5128088056]

The best ship insurance in EVE Online is the BPO for a Venture.

[@ChrisG-c4k]

Started day one in EE join imlg and moved to null fought a war with UA/genfed and we had first station kill ingame and ended up on eve news podcasts, and later on ended up 2nd in command of FL a major industry corp for genfed. Ive enjoyed our short war with you and catskull, its been along time i figured you like a reminder of old time about your hat.

[@Arpeet010]

I left the game just after a month by looking how awful this game is then few months later I downloaded again to check out...was disappointed and deleted again.

[@captainbenzie]

Sad but I don't blame you at all

[@leshuncross9238]

Lowkey was the best IDEA for a mobile game i ever seen, but as usually devs are so concerned with quick cash that they dont see the potential for long term income, and thus ruin the entire game, afor like a month or 3 it was a top teir game and def one of if not THE best mmorpg on mobile but as you have noticed, i used past tense

[@captainbenzie]

I agree but, to their defense, it wasn't the Devs. I had the privilege of getting to speak to the dev team a lot (notable Melos, Tailless_Fox and Cloud) and their passion at the start was palpable. It was the publisher, NetEase, that forced their usual monetisation strategy on a game that didn't need it - and by their own statistics, it's worse off because of it. Suits in an office who've never heard of EVE.

[@atomant8800]

As someone who still plays echoes, its because there really isnt another option. Eve online is no longer available on mobile since they shut down eve anywhere. Believe me, if there was another open world MMORPG that wasnt anime or idle I would do that. But there isnt at the moment. To back Benzi up. I did follow up to eve online and it was a lot of fun while it lasted until eve anywhere got shut down. If you have the ability to play eve online, I do recommend.

[@captainbenzie]

I get that it's not available for everyone, but what stops you playing EO?

[@atomant8800]

​@@captainbenziei tried eo and quite like it. But as a non pc person, i needed eve anywhere to access which i still dont know why they shut that down.

[@captainbenzie]

@@atomant8800 ah I was going to ask if you had a laptop or something as EO is very chill to run on most hardware. But if not, yeah. I miss EVE Everywhere

[@florianeska409]

Albion Online is eve echoes in a fantasy setting, X platforms, non auto, non p2w, etc... Go check it out it's f2p

[@PenguinWithaGun32]

"reduced loses for advanced ships" just when I thought echos could not get anymore fucked.

[@captainbenzie]

Yup

[@owoelwo]

I love you, genuinely! But EE is not EO and never will be. It's a perfect game? No, absolutely not. It has problems? A lot! But still you always wanted EO on mobile phone. EE is not EO. Sorry. What you say today is the demonstration about it. The industry is way better than before, i don't pay real money to have the big ships, i build my ships :-) I had a bunch of miners to grind the ore because a rorq wasn't enough! The minerals price is skyrocket now! I make billions building ships ... If you don't like a thing you can not enjoy it... EE is not for you. Oh now there are fleets of cruisers killing carriers... Just to say. There are so many new roles with small ships.... But you without playing you don't know. Anyway you are the best at making the video for games! Please don't stop!

[@captainbenzie]

I don't want Echoes to be EO, I want it to be its own thing. I want it to respect it's players and have meaningful gameplay.

[@lvacek08]

Yep, that sums it up....the good thing about eve echoes is, that it got me to try eve online :) Way better...

[@captainbenzie]

Enjoy!

[@davidmorgan2641]

I see you are still a negative nancy, I thought you quit EE. You were once my favorite CC but all the negativity is too much for me. I hope you enjoy EO.

[@captainbenzie]

Please check the date on this video comparitive to the one currently shown on your calendar.

[@kurtl8909]

I started a comment that got rambly so I deleted it before posting it. That said: Glad to see you in EO, Stay away from Echoes, it will only disappoint you. Fly safe, or don't.

[@captainbenzie]

Yeah, I covered Echoes for years. My EVE community basically started there. Just sad to see it reach this point.

[@kurtl8909]

@@captainbenzie It had so much potential, but NetEase just does not listen to anyone but their pocketbooks.

[@sinmaan7568]

I work all day in front of my computer so at night i really enjoy the fact that i can play a game on my tablet sitting on the couch with a hockey game playing in the background. If EE is broken, what are the options? Homeworld Mobile? I recently tried to play EO again, but it feels like a 2nd job...

[@captainbenzie]

EO can get that way if you let it. The trick is a good corp that values your time, and don't try and Omega early. You don't need to.

[@sinmaan7568]

Understood...but looking for a mobile alternative. Sitting back at my computer after a day of work is just not an option, sadly. With Albion Online opening the EU server, which will likely empty the NA population, that option is dying. And with EE going the way it goes, the options are getting slim on mobile.

[@shaq3675]

I am in the exact same spot as you are, tried albion for around 8 months and i plan to stop soon aa it became more of a grind than a sit back relax kinda game I've been on the hunt for a new addictive game that is worth the addiction is really hard ​@sinmaan7568

[@GentleNova]

Thanks for taking the time to provide your feedback Benzie. Always appreciated. o7 PS. I’d seriously be playing EO, if my 2015 MacBook Air could play it…but ya, not a hope in hell. If I ever get an M1 MacBook Air though, I’ll be there will bells on.

[@captainbenzie]

Download it for free. I'm not familiar with the Macbook lines, but I got it running on a 2016 Dell laptop... On potato graphics for sure, but it ran and was playable

[@GentleNova]

@@captainbenzie Min req for Mac is Intel i5 @ 2.5 GHz. Mine is a Dual Core i5 @ 1.6 GHz, rather than a regular Quad Core i5. It’s like an i5 Light. But you know what, if I get the chance this weekend, I’ll try it for shits n giggles, just to see what happens. I’m seriously considering getting an M1 laptop for my next device instead of another iPad though, primarily because the poor posture with an iPad is killing my body as I get older. Plus the cheaper iPads are starting to actually feel cheap now and don’t last as long (3 years), whereas an M1 laptop would probably meet my simple needs for a decade (plus force me to have better posture). I’d like to hopefully get one sometime this year, if possible.

[@GentleNova]

@@captainbenzie NO FRICKEN WAY! IT WORKS! I can’t believe it! It’s actually running the game on my ancient 2015 MacBook Air. Doesn’t look that pretty but it runs (well at least from the hanger view, as I haven’t tried undocking yet). My old character still even has around 20 million ISK as well.

[@GentleNova]

@@captainbenzie Doh! Spoke too soon. Undocked and it's a slideshow. Frame rate is so low it's causing a second of doing nothing before it stutters to life and then freezes again for another second. Oh well. Tried at least.

[@captainbenzie]

@@GentleNova there is an activatable potato mode in game that may help?

[@jonathanpudlo]

I'd REALLY like to play Eve Online, but I only have, 5, 10, 15 minutes here and there throughout the day. Getting in a solid hour would be a rarity. Even in its pitiful cash grab state, it's still levels above any other mobile game out there, but its a sour taste because in the back of your head you know it's dieing. I hate wasting time, which is limited enough as it is. Are there any other mobile games you'd (or anyone else) recommend? Preferably with a market economy. It's honestly painful to see that in writing, I used to be a desktop cpu gamer or nothing, just got older and busier, sad day.

[@Tasaroo]

I personally enjoy EE. I don’t spend much more than Omega subscription and occasionally concord pass. I like to build stuff in Highsec like my current project the CyanSea…. Which I probably could have bought with Isk 3x if I just rat… but no fun in it. Maybe next I will try to build another capital in one of the Low sec stations. Will I fly it, probably not but I enjoy to build stuff. I not care much if other player want to spend a lot, up to them, some buy all the stuff and complain that they have nothing to do in EE… If EO would be fully mobile accessible I would likely switch as it is more complex but I don’t have time to play on a pc much. So EE is fine for me even with the usual mobile game in app purchases

[@captainbenzie]

Basically, you're proving my point. Echoes caters to Capital pilots who want to play alone and safe. It doesn't cater for the groups, the alliances, the pvpers, the industrialists who want to make a profit, to smaller ships, to really anything except this one very specific playstyle. Whilst I am glad that you're enjoying it, that's not EVE. That's not what Echoes promised. And at that point, it may as well be an offline solo game.

[@Tasaroo]

@@captainbenzie I guess that would be online Mobile games for you. Typically short sessions, which makes typical Eve online PvP not so suitable. If you look at the typical PvP mobile game it’s more like Waregames in EE, rarely there is something you need hours for it, maybe more 10min at the max. That’s why people stay in Highsec, if you don’t want Null Sec politics and commitment. Of course things could be improved, like small ship content, or industry (eg remove insurance, sell stuff to NPC for faction rewards, etc.). Also low sec could need some unique content. Me personally would play EO if it’s full mobile as I prefer the complexity, but I would still be in relative save HighSec mainly solo / nomadic as a lot of EO player seem to do now. I don’t think (not so-) micro transactions will go away soon, there more likely coming to PC too. You are not wrong, for me it’s like a solo offline game with an online option (market, exploring in null, missions in low sec etc.)

[@Tasaroo]

@@captainbenzie and I agree EE is capital focused. Me personally am not flying any capital (yet) - toooo slow. For me I feel my Rattlesnake is too slow, I like Cruiser. Some more solo Pve content would be great for me.

[@bravehawk5640]

I do not miss Eve Echoes! i played for the 1 year from launch. but, It was that time i found your vids. i just started back on the Eve verse but in Eve Online. Glad your still doing your vids :) I blame you for my tristen addiction though

[@captainbenzie]

Welcome back! And what a great ship!

[@DaedalusRaistlin]

Yeah I'm glad I got out of Echoes after less than a year. I found your channel because of that original Echoes content, but your EO content is way better, and so is the game itself.

[@captainbenzie]

Thank you o7

[@Khaizen10]

I would play EO instead of EE but I don’t have a suitable pc

[@MaineMotman]

One of the problems with echoes it seems is they fucked up on stuff way back, like capitals and implants dormant and some could say with battleships and being the meta and folks complaining and netease tweaking them to handle small ships better. Point being, EE has snow balled from one bad decision, to the next, and next and next.

[@captainbenzie]

Yup, and all of those decisions were carefully made, in hindsight, to ensure that the game was JUST fun enough to hold us, but bad enough to incentivise payments to make the experience better.

[@robquinnpc]

The game is wrecked for sure, there is no way back. CCP should be embarrassed what they are allowing to happen to their IP. For every person that leaves for EO there’s 10 that just won’t want anything to do with the brand at all. But hey, you can go drop $300 today for the new lancer dreads they released today.

[@captainbenzie]

Are they really $300???

[@robquinnpc]

@@captainbenziewell guaranteed after 60 “lucky box”, I guess $200 for an empty hull.

[@captainbenzie]

@@robquinnpc ouch

[@Nope-t5l]

I guess I'm glad I never played this version now. Thanks, dude. Maybe saved me time and money.

[@captainbenzie]

It's such a shame as it had such promise

[@giuseppeviscomi7033]

Don't miss echoes a bit.

[@captainbenzie]

I still do. It had such promise.

[@pablorammerthorn8975]

Man, that's the best sales pitch for Eve Online I have ever heard 👍

[@captainbenzie]

😂

[@bobluking5401]

Nice to hear from you again, Capt.

[@captainbenzie]

Thank you

[@ChrisG-c4k]

You should do a timeline video of eve echoes past how it was and how it is now.

[@jasonb3908]

Hey man, used to be in Catskull with you back in the beginning (MechMedic130). Really miss the early days of Echoes. I feel like this game really peaked around the first Halloween event and it's been down hill since then. I bailed out maybe a year ago, by that point i was mostly logging in to collect my PI and calling it a day. Everything was just getting too expensive. I didn't mind paying a few bucks for Omega and like the monthly pass thing. But it just got more and more expensive and i never felt like the game got more fun. Just didn't want to fly Caps at all, small ships were pointless. Sad the game fell apart because it was REALLY fun in Beta and at the beginning.

[@captainbenzie]

Yeah basically echoes (lol) exactly how I feel.

[@jasonb3908]

@@captainbenzie maybe I'll fire up Eve Online again. I haven't played in years so I don't even know if my old account is still a thing. But if not maybe I'll make a new one and look you guys up!

[@hiraldosternflyer7112]

Never understood why anyone would play a watered down sludge version of EVE Online. It's very rare, if it's ever happened, that a mobile game isn't or doesn't become a swipefest for whales.

[@captainbenzie]

There are quite a few, tbh, but you never hear about them because they're smaller indie titles... Echoes used to be so good, and had unique advantages over EO, reasons to play either or both.

[@militarymoose87]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Netease opens EvE echoes servers in August 2020, and they will be shutting them down in August 2025 based on how things are going. It's very sad but these mobile games spool up for a bit then shut everything down a few years later claiming the support isn't there anymore. Rinse, repeat, sometime resusing or recycled resources to cut development cost on the next cycle.

[@captainbenzie]

Yeah it's sad. With proper care, Echoes could have been EVE For Mobile and been here in 20 years. But nope. Need all the money now.

[@watersharer]

I have played both games since they individually started. I had real hopes for Echoes, but it's been very hard to enjoy. I would buy stuff, but they don't offer what I want. I would buy mission/agent arcs, ship class specific content, and other types of actual things to do.

[@captainbenzie]

Yup but sadly all they want to update is the store

[@steelspork]

Completely off topic but what kind of laptop is that?

[@captainbenzie]

I'm using an Acer Predator Helios 18

[@Jake-jd7bd]

I uninstalled a year ago after being a day-1 duo omega player, along with a couple other accounts that I built within the following weeks. Glad to see I'm not missing anything. I had thousands of Plex, billions of isk on the accounts, all the nano this and bling that, cap outposts, etc. Didn't even give it away to anyone. Just rage quit and uninstalled.

[@captainbenzie]

Yup, same

[@JiLing-mw5to]

Can i buy your Account?

[@Jake-jd7bd]

That would require me to login to even remember what account it was, which I'm not willing to do. Also it's illegal@@JiLing-mw5to

[@JiLing-mw5to]

@@Jake-jd7bd Just tell me if you are willing to sell it to me one day or another. No stress xD

[@Kamalani85]

If I Ran Into A Deadlier Or Stronger Enemy Fleet, I’m Rage Quitting EVE Echoes.

[@RED-gs4di]

Sadly EO will never be available on mobile for people who are always on the go.

[@captainbenzie]

It used to be with EVE Everywhere. For me, I just use my laptop

[@nomad_nz8179]

Does Echoes tie into the main game or is a standalone version of eve?

[@Mutris]

Stand alone

[@captainbenzie]

Fully standalone, and it used to be great

[@timotheegoulet1511]

Dude i was talking about this very exact topic in SHH alliance chat yesterday. How you would react to the new patch notes. Wake up this morning and sure as shit you made a video. Thanks bud.

[@captainbenzie]

Hope you enjoy 😅

[@timotheegoulet1511]

@captainbenzie Dude I've tried to make the jump to EO a few months ago before I installed BlueStacks. I even applied for membership for Catskull Academy but never heard anything back. The one thing that keeps me playing EE really are the friendships I've forged with friends from literally every timezone on earth. If I had the kind of support in EO that I do in EE I'd spend a lot more time in EO. Don't think I've even logged in since before Harvest Fest.

[@captainbenzie]

@@timotheegoulet1511 we've got Catskull in EO, but I do know a load of other corps too!

[@atomant8800]

@@timotheegoulet1511 I also had made the jump to eve online. It was a blast until they shut down eve anywhere and killed my ability to log on (as a non-PC owner)

[@doroden7226]

Nice to see you as always Captain Benzie. Eve Echoes is dead. Hope in future will become something. For now is a trash, not even logging anymore

[@captainbenzie]

Yeah it's sad but there we go...

[@SaintDrahcir]

Wow... sad to hear what happened to Eve Echoes. I played quite a bit back around when it first came out. I guess I'm glad I stopped because paying to get ships and other stuff is very P2W style stuff. I also remember when they said they wouldn't add P2W style stuff. My impression was that this game was supposed to be Eve Online on your mobile phone and I loved that idea. Such a shame. Its crazy because they could easily learn what works by looking at Eve Online that has been running for many years now.

[@captainbenzie]

Yup, and the funniest thing is how their own statistics show that this experiment failed. If you look at the stats about 14 months after launch, just before they added Nanocores, and compare to now, there were about 30x more players, and revenue was around 3-4 times higher.

[@TexMackerson]

Wha But EvE has always been p2w XD Buy Plex, sell Plex, buy stuff

[@ninjasquirrels]

Never played EVE echoes but, I just reactivated my two EVE online accounts…🤷‍♂️

[@captainbenzie]

Welcome home!!

[@RadioWhar]

As an EVE player since 2009 I had such high hopes for Echoes. I had a lot of fun with it for a few months in 2020-2021 until they did the insurance changes. They completely borked the economy and made loss trivial and boring. I dropped it after that and never looked back.

[@captainbenzie]

Yeah, it was so good at the beginning. And now it's just a hellscape

[@thomasdhdh]

i'm to deep ingto EE benzie, playing EO is like learning to walk again. and paying for it.

[@Ray.F.]

Not all of us are quitters benzie 😂

[@captainbenzie]

See the last 5 mins ;) Sometimes, quitting is what's best for your own health and enjoyment

[@Tasaroo]

@@captainbenzie yeah, why play a game you don’t enjoy. Supposed to be for fun and not something you have to do…

[@Ray.F.]

​@@captainbenzieyes sure basicly you dont enjoy EE anymore i respect that but keep your negativity to yourself 😂 WE dont need it

[@captainbenzie]

@@Ray.F. mate, you came to my channel. Don't go telling me what content I should put out 😂 that's like a vegan walking into a burger bar and complaining that they shouldn't serve meat. Don't like the content? Don't watch it.

[@borzy]

PLEX is now at like 8-9 million isk

[@captainbenzie]

Ouch

[@TwiztedSmoke]

I'm enjoying it, get over it, if you don't like it, don't play, don't hate, stop whining, grow up

[@captainbenzie]

See the irony in your comment

[@voxxel]

The problem i see with those ships, even if i like them, there is no use for them. So you maybe spent your damn last real money or sold everything ingame just to sit into a lancer on a gate and nobody comes to let you gank him. Thats the sad story because pvp is dead.

[@captainbenzie]

And it's dead because NETEASE have killed it by moving their business model to selling ships. Nobody buys a car and decides they want to risk wrecking it. Same is true here.

[@aimanzahry]

I've not played it for a year. Maybe I'll return for the Will of Steel for my Caracal 2...

[@Adama-j1p]

Is it worth it to even start today? I can't even English-speaking people to play with

[@captainbenzie]

Echoes? No, it's still a pay to win nightmare.

[@HelloHello-yb1rl]

Benzie come review the anniversary update ( just ignore voyage Ceremony) moon mining, faction warfare.

[@lemuelwonah7076]

O7 cap. As much as I get how bad the game has become, I still think there's hope for it. Whatever improvements they made now may not undo the problems already set, but if they make regular good changes Echoes will resurrect in a few months. Emphasis on REGULAR and GOOD. By the way I took your advice on Reddit and tried out EO. Although it's not as convenient since I have to sit down and open my laptop before playing, I'm enjoying the game so far. Echoes will still be my main as I don't have the real life isk to pay 20$ monthly for now, but if I get a good rhythm and corp I might switch permanently. See ya in (real) New Eden!

[@captainbenzie]

Glad to hear you're trying, and hope it works out for you! You won't need omega for a while in EO, there's plenty to do as an Alpha! I wish I shared your optimism for Echoes, but sadly I reckon it'll simply shutter before NetEase put the work in.

[@TheBoatPirate]

i was wondering why all but the beginning ships are not playable by an alpha.

[@mael6834]

I gave up on Eve Echoes. The account binding bs and lack of support killed it for me.

[@captainbenzie]

And that's just the start of it 😂

[@Astrovond]

Great Video. How do we join you in Eve Online ?

[@captainbenzie]

Check description 😉

[@gurtist324]

Eve Echoes nowadays are like those dishes made of rotten something (i think it's called surstremming). It's curious to check what it's like, but still disgusting to come near it, not to mention trying yourself. Really sad to see how what you once liked turned into something like this

[@captainbenzie]

I just think the awesome community there deserves better... And I weep for the potential that the game had, squandered.

[@gurtist324]

@@captainbenzie absolutely agree 😞

[@raptordoesyoutube107]

As someone who only recently started eve online, all I can say is, what is an “eve echoes”?

[@captainbenzie]

It's the mobile version of EVE On-line that used to be really good but has become a pay to win hellscape. Look for the colour coding on the thumbnail to see which game I'm talking about ☺️

[@DenethorDurrandir]

I'll do you one better, why is "eve echoes" 😂

[@x-Spirax-x]

What was an "eve echoes"?

[@bravehawk5640]

its the Eve Mirrorverse. Nothing good happens there

[@MichaelBauchman-r3y]

I can only afford this game at this time

[@captainbenzie]

Yet this is more expensive than EVE, and you can play EVE for free

[@MichaelBauchman-r3y]

@@captainbenzie that is true. My problem right now is no access to good laptop

[@BigKingKaz]

Just here to thumbs down and leave!

[@captainbenzie]

😂

[@Orca_404]

I don't understand why people spend money on eve echoes... You could literally play on gamepass, or buy a nice game, or just don't spend on this game. People actually don't have any idea of business model and how this game is mining them. The problem is that neteasy allows that branch to keep alive. There are game makers, developers that loves games, also there is people that really knows how to make lucrative business models that doesn't care about games only the profits and stocks. People that play this game and pay, Y'all loves the suffering and self harming addiction that's for sure

[@captainbenzie]

Agreed!

[@Saxonsredux]

If no one spent any money, the game wouldn't exist. So there needs to be at least some spending.

[@captainbenzie]

@@Saxonsredux that's the entire point. There needs to be SOME spending. What Echoes has done is to turn "some small spending" into "massive payments required to participate". It's predatory, the game doesn't justify the spend, and by the game's own statistics, it's got a significantly smaller playerbase and is making LESS PROFIT than it was before all this bullshit. The argument isn't "why spend on a game", it's "why spend on THIS game when other options exist that respect you so much better"

[@deanag8457]

i barely play anymore my pockets cant stand it. if they bring back risk free dueling in a fun non profitable way i will consider not yeeting my whole fleet

[@captainbenzie]

Honestly, this is my point. Why not just quit and play something you enjoy more that costs less?

[@ccrrey6121]

Still screwed for sure. No regret uninstall without even un anchoring my outposts, that crappy it was a year ago. Seems even worse now😂

[@captainbenzie]

Yup, sad to say I'm the same. Left a year ago, almost.

[@Azmodian]

I stopped playing Echoes shortly after it's first anniversary and came back about 3 weeks ago. I've discovered shockingly little new to do in the game in that 3 years. Some scanning/hacking (pretty basic but at least it is something), bigger ships that can jump annddd ridiculously expensive nanocores? Where's the content?

[@captainbenzie]

Netease has refused to add new content, instead simply adding new things to buy to do that some dull content with

[@shane3478]

I tried it again last night...lol...Jita had less than 300 people in local. I turned it back off...lol

[@captainbenzie]

Yup, so sad

[@Romkiger]

I remember back when the game first came out. Jita was always full, over a thousand people in it...a thousand! It was so hard to get into jita that it actually forced the other major trade stations to be used in a full blown economy! But not anymore 😢

[@johnfranklie3563]

​@@Romkigerdamn that memory is unforgettable

[@Th3Alibi]

I played echoes for 5 days at launch before getting all my purchases refunded and uninstalling it.

[@donaldc3884]

CCP once again proving how proficient they are at wasting peoples money. By now they could have rewritten Eve Online using a modern game engine with the money they have thrown at failed projects.

[@captainbenzie]

This is a licensed product. CCP spent nothing on this failure and arguably made a boatload. I don't understand the need to hate on CCP at the best of times - they're running a game for over two decades now that is unmatched in its genre - but if you MUST hate on them, at least make it make sense.

[@FiatMaxi]

Dude every game Net Ease touches should be an assumed dumpster fire. Do I still play the games they make? Sure, but the one I'll never let myself play again is Diablo Immortal. I take it easy with Eve Echoes, just the $15 a month and chill. No need to get upset about it anyway.... Its just a phone game after all. Kinda fun though.

[@captainbenzie]

To each their own. Diablo Immortal was actually okay, imho, if you just wanted to play the campaign. Free, decent story and gameplay. The monetisation kicked in if you wanted to be going up the difficulty or competing in arena. That you paid ridiculously for.

[@abhijitdgore8186]

problem is there is no good mobile alternative... :(

[@captainbenzie]

True, but if you have a PC that can run EVE Online (easier than it sounds, or use GeForce now) then it values your time much more. You play less, but get more out of it.

[@Pharmakon84]

Arena Breakout is pretty good

[@Domas64]

Yet people are swiping left and right with record sales. I guess it will just filter out naturally with people who don't mind paying to make the game worse

[@captainbenzie]

From what I can see, it's not record sales at all. It's falling. The amount per swipe is going up, but the playerbase is still dwindling and Echoes is losing ground. I wonder how long it will remain "commercially viable" to keep the global server open, let alone update it, especially considering NetEase just took a MASSIVE financial hit courtesy of new Chinese regulations.

[@Howitz759]

hopefully it shows them that doing this in eve online will make them lose money and players instead of winning more. so tired of devs doing the wrong thing with money signs in the eyes when they'd literally make way more by just doing the right thing.

[@captainbenzie]

EVE Online has never even come close to trying this. The worst we ever had was getting a basic ship in a starting pack - and you get those same ships in the Career Agent missions so... eh? Who cares.

[@jordonmiles8788]

​@captainbenzie don't forget about monaclegate... dunno if you know your eve history that far back lol

[@captainbenzie]

@@jordonmiles8788 yeah, and I do actually disagree with the outcry there. Companies do need to make money, and letting them make huge amounts on folks who are willing to buy something utterly pointless is better than putting the subscription price up, or incentivising purchases through palpable effects. I should do a video on this because I genuinely believe the EVE community shot itself in the foot there.

[@teeborg1519]

this is no longer a dumpster fire. this is spacejunk all over new eden burning

[@captainbenzie]

Sadly...

[@MaineMotman]

CAPTAIN! Welcome back to the stagnant pool of piss that is echoes! I'm happy to see a video, fingers cross nut cheese sells echoes off so we can have a game again.

[@captainbenzie]

Lmao, sadly I think it'll shutter long before NetEase considers doing any work or selling it

[@2025MisterYoutube]

You said the new ships is the only thing people focus on. Sadly that's how it is in every mobile game. Why should this game be any different?

[@captainbenzie]

That's such a nihilistic argument. "That's just how it is" Cool, so we could apply to to cancer. Why work on a cure? People get cancer and die, that's just how it is. Why should it be any different?" Because it can be better. At one point it was.

[@2025MisterYoutube]

@@captainbenzie thank you for replying to my comment

[@2025MisterYoutube]

@@captainbenzie those are two different things. The way we fight cancer I personally believe can be cured one day. I believe the cure is around the corner. However how people act on apps and the Internet games is something that never changes, because most people get stuck in what they do and how they do things. Some people and their actions never change.... It's just the way they are...... Sadly.

[@captainbenzie]

@@2025MisterKZbin utter bullshit, sorry. People's spending habits and business strategies change. It's only when people shrug and go "Well, this is just how it is" that shit sticks. Arguably, the attitude you hold is the entire problem.

[@2025MisterYoutube]

@@captainbenzie Thank you for replying to my comment.

[@shaneweaver2036]

Just damn!!!!😂😂😂😂

[@captainbenzie]

😅

[@toddpatton1750]

Gave the video a like to support you. Ecos doesn't remotely interest me.

[@captainbenzie]

Thank you

[@Hyonomusic]

Chinese Netease have little no connection to the actual Iceland's real Eve Online and if you know anything about Netease it's basically the same as Tencent $$ 😂🤣😂🤣

[@captainbenzie]

I worked with NetEase for about three years with Echoes. The actual development team were just as passionate as the guys at CCP, it's just the higher ups and their inane insistence on pushing horrific monetisation...

[@Hyonomusic]

@@captainbenzie amazing 😢

[@daemian2k]

Yeah i cut my loses with echoes back when they released the dreads, thats all people flew.

[@captainbenzie]

Now they barely fly Dreads and have all moved onto Versatile Assault Carriers and Supers.

[@Death-gk4bw]

you have no idea you don't even play the game so why have an opinion on anything related to it yes you played previously yes you hated the way the game was going, the game is better off without your negativity. and it was the best thing for NE when you gave up your constant barrage of negativity, just move on, you dont speak for anyone in the community, you wanted out SO Stay OUT @@captainbenzie

[@captainbenzie]

@@Death-gk4bw lmao good fucking Christ you're an angry little chicken aren't you? Anyone would think I had insulted YOU directly. You play the game, you enjoy it, good for you. You do however need to accept that you are actively supporting this kind of aggressive, abusive, predatory monetisation so you kind of give up your right to ever complain about how videogames aren't like they used to be. If you're cool with that, you do you. Internalising the game as some part of your own personality is weird tho bro. Don't do that 😂 kinda psychotic look tbh

[@AyoubEl-hamdaoui]

This game is " drama queen" , and am glad captain banzi leave it befor he goanna lose his mind

[@ChrisG-c4k]

How did yoy get your hat back doesn't that belong to mommasaurasrex.. jk id have to agree about echoes its horrible i couldn't believe how bad its become everyone rather afk rat in highsec now most null looks pretty empty most the time.

[@captainbenzie]

I bought a new one

[@sir_kettle3858]

Echoes is so fucked it’s not even funny anymore,

[@captainbenzie]

It's genuinely sad that it's reached this point

[@ozarkmountainvlogs3759]

First!

[@captainbenzie]

Congratulations!! 🎉🚀

[@fyubi5720]

I remember I still had like 80% of the materials to build a Machariel on my account, too bad I ain't gonna complete it unless some God giveth miracle appears and the game gets better 🗿

[@captainbenzie]

Sad, but I get it 😅

[@lazloholyfield9902]

Echoes is what happens when pay to win is the main purpose of the game.

[@captainbenzie]

Sad but so true

[@aurora_b0r3alis]

I’ve seen that NetEase does nothing about the large amount of bots and exploiters, my outpost got killed by a bunch of exploiters operating out of SHH and NetEase has done NOTHING, I’ve lost all hope for echoes

[@captainbenzie]

NETEASE would do something about mining bots if NETEASE sold a mining ai nanocore

[@aurora_b0r3alis]

@@captainbenzie there’s so many maller bots in low sec, with generic names, mostly Chinese names, and it makes low sec pve nearly impossible because of bots stealing the anomalies

[@Bradric1]

You'll have to elaborate on that mate, what exploiters in SHH killed your structure, and what exploit were they using?

[@lemuelwonah7076]

​@@aurora_b0r3alishow does that work?

[@DUNE-Serraff]

@@Bradric1he won’t elaborate because its just another SHH bad post on a different platform

[@rabidspiders01]

It's a free game that doesn't cost nothing. Theres no ads in the middle of game play either. The only source of income is the store. I published my own game. Did everything myself. Except when it came to advertising, i had to pass. Just to run one ad on youtube was 10,000 usd plus per ad charges they're literally charging us a dollar for every click regardless if someone downloads it or not. Not to mention, they're only paying us 0.01 per ad. Viewed.

[@captainbenzie]

Oh yeah, ads suck, but this isn't a binary situation. There are other options. EVE Online itself does not use these options and has survived TWENTY YEARS. So, sorry, as someone who's worked alongside dozens of games studios, this shit doesn't have to be like this. And it's not a free game. It has a free demo. At T7+, you have to pay.

[@rabidspiders01]

@captainbenzie you know what, lol. I'm not even gonna argue this. As an artist and aspiring indie, I'm calling you out. Put together a team and create an Mobile mmo on the same scale level. You get one freemium transaction, no in-game advertising, and you must pay for advertising. Also, update the game every month with new content. Put up or shut up. Prove your "ideal" model is sustainable. Let's see some proof because all I'm seeing is people complaining that they're not getting their way.

[@captainbenzie]

@@rabidspiders01 "calling me out" when over the years I've worked with EA, Rockstar, CCP, Superbit Machine, SuperEvilMegaCorp, Blizzard, and several other smaller indie studios. Good luck. I don't need to set up my own indie team, I've worked with dozens. The really dumbass thing is that none of that matters. All you ACTUALLY need to do is look at EVE Echoes stats over the years, and compare them, year on year. This is publicly available information, by the way. In the first year, Echoes had (quite literally) TWENTY TIMES the playerbase that it has currently. Its revenue was TRIPLE its current number. This was naturally even higher at launch, but held solid with a minor post-launch dip for the first year or so. Around the time that Nanocores were added, the playerbase dips to around a third of its first year average, revenue drops by a solid half. This then steadily declines with playerbase declining faster than revenue as "big spenders" spend more, but not enough to compensate. It still dips. Now we're here, year four. The playerbase is less than 5% of the first year average (and around 2% of it's launch period peak) with revenue down as one of NetEase's lowest games, below its own space game, Infinite Lagrange. So "call me out" all you like, be as big of a dickhead as you like about it, none of it matters. Look at the statistics and you can clearly see that the game is spiralling into oblivion. "It's a free game that costs nothing" is a lie. You know it, I know it, we all know it. You're being disingenuous. So was Diablo Immortal - are you going to defend the monetisation there too? You are defending the practice that turned mobile gaming from a promising new platform in 2017/18 into the cesspit of "freemium" transaction laden garbage that it is today. You are defending a practice that has seeped into mainstream PC and console gaming too. Please show me where games like Apex Legends needed to do this pay to win bullshit? Or Fortnite? Heck, even EVE On-line, the game this is BASED ON, is more profitable than Echoes, has been going TWENTY YEARS (still strong) and has NONE of this bullshit. And finally, Echoes doesn't even put out new content every month. Even if you class copy-pasted ships that make no sense and are a glorified store update as "new content". Your "argument" doesn't stand up. At all.

[@rabidspiders01]

@captainbenzie you worked with, not created, huge ass difference. One is paying you, and the other is you paying out the overhead. Your rant also proves my point. Mobile games are trend based. It's been 4 years echoes is a dinosaur. The opinion of players that leave matters non to the players that stay, and any decent developer will choose to cater to them first even if a small price tag is attached.YOU'RE NOT A DEVELOPER, AND YOU LEFT THE GAME. YOU "QUITE RAGE QUIT". You have no leg to stand on. The only legitimate complaint you can make is about the free advertising you gave net easy.

[@rabidspiders01]

@captainbenzie bro it's like this. I, lol I actually have skin in the game. I could legit complain. Complaining about the developer is a major violation of the honor code, "don't hate the player, hate the game." Instead of Complaining I'm actually fighting the system.

[@arunux9231]

i love how pvp players get salty =D

[@captainbenzie]

Still get that in EVE Online

[@romar386]

The game is so so soooooo boring. Mind numbingly so

[@captainbenzie]

Agreed