Is the Eve Outdoor Cam right for your Smart Home?

[@uh1drvr]

I just installed one and it wasn’t bad at all. The secret is to email Eve and ask for a FREE adapter plate. It is exactly what you need if you’re trying to mount it on to an electrical box. Worked really slick! It shipped from Washington and took 3-4 days to get. Highly recommend getting one versus trying to jury rig something else up. I’ll bet I did the install in less than 30 minutes and it looks great!

[@DashKitten]

The family is looking t getting an Eve camera and I REALLY appreciate the Centigrade temperature as we are in New Zealand. You are a ROCK STAR as this is something many US presenters forget.

[@BijanIzadi]

Happy I watched this, I still want it I just now have a much better understanding of all the other steps involved!

[@RafiqulJaved]

Hi Shane, please can you do a video on the best HomeKit enabled, solar powered outdoor camera, the market is flooded with so many options. I just don’t know which one to choose, I really like the way you explain things in your videos, you explain the pros and cons very clearly allowing us to make well-informed decisions. Keep up the good work. We really appreciate it

[@GeorgeLangabeer]

Nice to finally have a new addition to the outdoor HKSV family. A plea to all brands supporting HKSV, GIVE US MORE OUTDOOR OPTIONS! Great looking camera, but I do wish the light had more angle options. That’s the one advantage to The Nest Floodlight Cam. Great video as always! Happy Fathers Day!

[@ShaneCreates]

Thanks George! Happy Father’s Day to you as well!

[@jordipedrals]

Hi Shane! Thanks for your fantastic videos. I've been following you for a while now and this is my first comment. Just wanted to say that I bought Eve outdoor cam and, to me is useless. I live in the countryside in a brick and stone wall house. Although my router was just 4 meter far from the cam, it doesn't work. I can only use it indoors or have it outdoors just as a motion sensor with light. So if you have big walls and well insulated house, I don't recommend this camera at all. I am going to try with eufy cam. I hope it'll be a better option. Thanks again for your videos. We'll keep on following you from overseas!

[@dennisspivey4985]

Just bought one and in the process of mounting and running electrical. I installed the app on my office desk and was happy with the results. I should have be able to complete the mounting by tomorrow. I needed to run electric and maybe I have come up with a mount that some of your subscribers might be interested in. More latter.

[@NoBite2]

Dennis, so are you finding a way to wire this camera from scratch, not replacing an existing outdoor light? That is what I would want to do. If you are doing this, I’d be interested in your mounting setup!

[@dennisspivey4985]

@@NoBite2 I will take some pics/video with info and part #. How would you like me to send it?

[@ScotTheGr8]

I replaced Ring cameras that were on extension cords. So I had already figured out where to plug them in. I modified the Eve cameras to add extension cords to them. Made the install much easier. Was pretty easy to convert to extension cords but took a fair number of parts like a plastic surface mount elec box and a water tight extension cord strain relief to fit in the elec box. Happy with it ion the end. Glad to be not sharing video and audio with Ring/Amazon.

[@treasaparsons4828]

Finally found this video, it helped a lot sorry for bothering you with my questions!

[@pqsk]

For me connecting the wires wasn't so bad because I have small hands, but man getting that optional plate on took a while. It was so hard to see why wasn't it going on. I ended up drilling 2 new holes and finally got it added after a few hours 😆

[@RussellHogan]

Just got my 4th Eve Outdoor Cam up. 😀

[@kevinweyrauch4875]

So I pay for iCloud and this means I can buy this camera and not have any additional subscription fees? I am looking to get out of the ring camera.

[@Mathri94]

Just a tip, cut the copper wire to fit into the Wago in order to prevent a short or a shock.

[@mrmini78]

Awesome review as usual Shane, I will definitely be adding this camera to my smart home soon 👍

[@myHomeKithome]

You re the he GOAT Shane! I love when smart Homebridge Products can combine multiple devices in a single practical solution and it seems that Eve really hit the nail on the head with this one. Fantastic video as always!

[@ShaneCreates]

Thank you for the kind words Dustin!!

[@harrybooth7414]

@@ShaneCreates fkfkgg

[@inelonwetrust9169]

Great video, this is a really nice option. Happy Father’s Day!

[@ShaneCreates]

Thank you!

[@latoyalwoods]

is it possible to install a smart switch and have it notify you if it’s ever turned off so you can simply turn it back on? (New to all this smart home stuff, so don’t crucify me for a silly question if it is). 😊

[@ShaneCreates]

haha no worries. Some smart switches might give you that capability. You can't get notifications from lights or switches in HomeKit or the Home app. But other platforms or manufacturer apps might have that capability. For example, if you have an Aqara light switch, you can configure a custom push notification to send when the switch is turned off (in the Aqara app). Hope this helps.

[@Sunrisetan]

Hi Will the light still work when there is no internet or Wifi? Look forward to hearing from you soon. Regards

[@stevevarga1045]

I got one the other day where do I find recordings I can only watch it live I do have iCloud extra storage so where does the recording go thanks for your help and I do have latest iPhone and HomePod mini

[@ShaneCreates]

You have to use the Home app to view recordings.

[@bliberg]

Does the Apple TV or HomePod have the ability to store video if the internet (cable) goes down. Or said differently, would my intranet be able to record if a thief cuts my cable. Thank you for your great work on the videos.

[@ShaneCreates]

Thank you for watching! No, unfortunately, it does not have the ability to store footage locally and internet access is required.

[@bliberg]

@@ShaneCreates Thank you for the clarification!

[@charblee]

Hey Shane! Thanks for the great video as always. You said something that I actually disagree with. I'm glad that it only supports 2.4 GHz, as Wi-Fi standards are advancing, we're seeing 2.4 GHz becoming the standard frequency for IoT and smart home devices, while 5GHz and now 6GHz Wi-Fi for more computational devices (phones, computers, tablets, etc.). It'll be better for everyone in the future if smart home stuff stays on 2.4 GHz because interference will diminish, and these devices have fewer packets that need to be transmitted also.

[@swiftaudi]

Agreed and 2.4 is way more reliable.

[@ShaneCreates]

Thank you for sharing!

[@jg6ycuj340]

Do you think Eve is the best out there right now for Apple ecosystem this is exclusive right

[@ShaneCreates]

Eve is a great option for HomeKit users.

[@jtr82369]

Bummer, the one option I want is an SD card that holds constant video loop in case I need to find more video surrounding a detection... If you haven't done a video on Netatmo outdoor camera, it is similar to this one but it also has an SD card, though I don't know if it's viewable as it mentions an encryption that seems to work over their VPN....

[@waynewreckz2776]

Great video Shane so would you have a Eve outdoor camera and a smart doorbell ?

[@ktloveland]

I love what I see with these cameras but I don't think it would work for me because all my current flood lights are installed on the bottom of the Eaves of my room. Do you have any suggestions for HomeKit (home bridge) enabled cameras for my situation?

[@Only.J11]

Great video I want to mount the Eve on a wall and cable from an existing outside light, so the cable coming from one side of the Eve, will this work or is the mount completely closed off and only allows cabling from the back?

[@dannydigtl]

Thanks. What color would you say the flood light is? Kind of warm or cool?

[@ScotTheGr8]

Thought the install wasn’t too bad BUT that was because I converted the cameras into having extension cords. Connecting in place of existing light does look like a pain. Eve needs to have mounting kits for attaching to elec. box. I’m overall happy with the camera. Only issue is it keeps disconnecting or locking up and I have to unplug and re-plug it. I have pretty strong mesh wi-fi so don’t think that is it. Hoping a future firmware upgrade resolves this.

[@ShaneCreates]

What did you use to convert it to an extension cord for power? I think a number of people might be interested in that. If your camera is disconnecting or locking up, assuming it's not a power issue, I'd bet on it being a wifi issue. I know you said you have a pretty strong mesh wifi. Since you're is using the extension cord, can you move it closer to your main router and test it out to see if you still have the same issue? I was having similar issues, even tho I seemed to have decent enough wifi at that location. I actually moved the camera to another location, closer the the router, and it has been 100% rock solid since then. I never disconnects anymore and live streams load up WAY faster now.

[@ScotTheGr8]

@@ShaneCreates You only need 2 things to convert to extension cord. First is a exterior mounting waterproof 2 gang electrical box. I got one from Home Depot that has threaded holes that you can plug up or use as needed. Box comes with the plugs. Second thing you need I happed to run across on YouTub in a video that shows how to make you own extension cord. It has a weird name, called a waterproof cable gland. It connects cut off end of extension cable to one of the box threaded holes. Gives waterproof connection. Rest is easy. Buy plastic cover that matches the elec box and drill holes in it for screws to mount the camera. Will need a third hole to let wires from cut off extension cable out to connect to the camera wires. Way easier to mount the light on the box and then mount the hole thing to the house. You buy and cut extension cord to whatever length you need. Suggest looking at Stud Pack KZbin channel to see how they make a custom extension cord. That is where I got the idea. Can find the cable gland thing onAmazon or McMaster Carr store. Hope this post isn’t too long.

[@ScotTheGr8]

Oh, and need a few screws, washers and lock washers to hold the camera onto the plastic elec box cover. I could provide a parts list if anyone wants it. Would save someone 45 minutes or so in Home Depot figuring out screw sizes and such.

[@johnkwolf]

Most cameras does what you said. I love to get it but it’s high price. Good job

[@silv0056]

Does this camera have to be installed on an existing light fixture or can it be installed another way?

[@ShaneCreates]

It requires hard wired power from and existing light.

[@uniqueflh2941]

Another great review Shane. I can't decide if I think it's worth the cost (I have other driveway cameras already). It's a pretty cool looking setup though. Thanks as always for the content.

[@ShaneCreates]

Thanks for watching!

[@GD99-p7u]

Good review - would love to see video quality comparison with other cameras. I’m still tying my Logitech circle view and it’s decent but maybe my expectations were too high. How many lumens is the flood light?

[@tkerns542]

My circle view “bricked” just after a year. Logitech did absolutely nothing. Now I’m looking for a different brand.

[@pmsimoes01]

Hi Shane! Thank you for the excellent review. One quick question: can you tilt the Eve Outdoor Camera 90º downward, pointing it directly to the floor?

[@brendastudebaker1359]

Hi Shane, I hope I did not overlook these questions. I do not want to replace current light switches, is this possible..?? I am having an electrician install the security system I get. Also, can I expand off of one to cover other areas of my home and yard..?? Thank you.

[@ShaneCreates]

Hi Brenda, you don't need to replace any switches, but you do need to replace the light fixture. Or at least that's how this is designed to instal. If you have an electrician doing the work, they can probably run separate wiring for this camera. Similarly, they can probably run more wires for an additional camera.

[@isaacbalbin232]

Is it possible to create a permanent automation via Home such as “Do not activate the flood light on Saturday”?

[@ShaneCreates]

I don't believe there is a way to automate the motion light setting on/off

[@isaacbalbin232]

If the flood light is a separate device then why couldn’t you create an automation shortcut?

[@ShaneCreates]

@@isaacbalbin232You can create automations to turn the light on or off. But you cannot turn on/off the AUTO feature that turns on the light when it detects motion automatically if you are using that.

[@isaacbalbin232]

Okay, assume it’s in auto. Now if the wire to the light is directed to a separate switch (eg lifx) and that switch was then programmed to turn on and off then presumably once it turns on, say, after previously being off, the auto setting would be maintained?

[@DKWalser]

Shane -- Are you still using the camera? If so, I'm hoping you can give us some info on what happens on really hot days. Does it just shut down until the temps drop below 114 degrees American? I'm asking because I live in the Phoenix area. It gets above 113 on a somewhat frequent basis around here.

[@ShaneCreates]

It doesn't typically get that hot around here, although it feels like it during the summer with the humidity and heat index. I have not experienced the camera shutting down. And yes I am still using it.

[@carlhirschfelder3594]

I just installed 2 of these and have a blinking blue light, but cannot get them added to my Eve app or HomeKit, using my Linksys MX4200c router. Any idea why it wont connect at all? I even reset the Eve Outdoor home cameras.

[@ShaneCreates]

If you hold down the reset button (hole on the bottom) long enough the light will turn red and the product should factory reset. I recommend trying that if you haven't already. Aside form that, all I can say based on what you've said is that there could potentially be some network settings that are an issue. I don't know what your network environment looks like, but certain settings like QoS could be an issue. I usually turn that off. Also, the HomeKit Secure Networking settings (since your router supports HomeKit) can also be an issue for some people and/or products if you are utilizing some of those features.

[@ericondrox]

Thanks Shane for reviewing that. Wondering if this camera has the functionality of moving automatically or via app?

[@ShaneCreates]

No, it does not pan/tilt electronically. It is stationary unless you manually adjust it.

[@ericondrox]

@@ShaneCreates Thanks Shane. really appreciate your work!!

[@mikedavis3241]

Can this be mounted with ceiling mount or is it wall mount only?

[@ShaneCreates]

There currently is no way to flip the camera feed so I'd say wall mount only.

[@tylersoun]

can this replace an existing floodlight fixure?

[@ShaneCreates]

Yes, it is designed for that.

[@shaunwc1986]

Shane, are you still using these same POE cameras?? I’ve got the Arlo Ultras and half the time they’re just a hassle to keep charged and not recording anything as they don’t support HomeKit Secure Video. I think I’m going to go POE. Would this still be your recommendation?

[@robert1245]

What if you run a mesh network that has both 2.4 and 5 ghz. Will it still run on the one band?

[@ShaneCreates]

I use a combined SSID (2.4 and 5 GHz). No issues.

[@dennisspivey4985]

Does it look like there will be a lightbulb outdoor camera for HomeKit?

[@ShaneCreates]

What do you mean by a lightbulb outdoor camera?

[@JohnVanderbeck]

I'm so depressed this isn't POE or at least have a POE option. This would have been PERFECT as a POE device as it would give you a perfect Thread edge device with direct access to the network. Not to mention not needing Wifi.

[@romashovvs]

Don’t understand this as well, my every Wi-Fi or Bluetooth device is simply annoying, because it almost always works with bugs.

[@connorshallow5736]

For cameras I’ve given up on these companies and am running scrypted to integrate some poe rtsp turret cams. Much cheaper bc hksv only supports 1080p

[@JohnVanderbeck]

@@connorshallow5736 oh man now I just learned about yet ANOTHER "home automation platform" lol. I already have Home Assistant, Homebridge, and Hubitat (haven't messed with that last one yet) and now I hear about Scrypted.

[@ShaneCreates]

Yea unfortunately there aren't any POE cameras that support HomeKit natively. Must be some limitation around the HomeKit certification. You'll have to go with Hoobs, homebridge, scrypted, etc. if you want POE homekit cameras.

[@JosephLSSimpson]

@@ShaneCreates The Dahua VTO2202F-P might be what you looking for. Would you mind doing a review?

[@DreadyDreadlocks]

I have this camera and it’s dope. The set up was cool until i had to make sure my iPhone was on the 2.4ghz network to get it connected. I had to go into my router settings and separate the networks. It wiped out half of my Wi-Fi appliances. Had to re add them afterwards. Lol. Other than that it’s really good so far. Actually, is there a way to make your iPhone only connect to 2.4ghz instead of going through your router?

[@ShaneCreates]

Oh no, that's not fun. No, I don't think there is a way to force your iPhone onto the 2.4 ghz network without doing some tinkering with your router. Unless maybe you move far enough outside of the range of the 5ghz network and the phone may then connect to the 2.4. I didn't have to do that with my installation fortunately. Glad you got everything working well again tho!

[@DreadyDreadlocks]

@@ShaneCreates Good idea!!

[@carlhirschfelder3594]

Can this be mounted under a soffit to replace floodlights?

[@ShaneCreates]

It is intended to replace an existing floodlight, so as long as you have space to mount it, yes. Although you have to mount it right side up. Currently you can't mount it upside down, as there is no way to flip the camera feed in the software. That is something Eve could add (as they did with their indoor camera) via firmware update in the future.

[@dancinboi89]

Just want to confirm, you don’t need to use home bridge to use scrypted but you have the ability to have it in both?

[@joshcollins85]

will this connect to my Eero network?

[@ShaneCreates]

yes

[@PedroLopezBeanEater]

Shane! Help me connect my indoor Eve to HomeKit! I installed one a year ago but now, trying to add a second one it’s proven impossible! The only cha he was from a dual band eero to a tri band…

[@connorshallow5736]

Another solution if you have two or more flood light connected to a single switch would be to wire it always hot, get an outdoor smart bulb, and then either automate it being on/off or control it with a wemo stage controller or something similar

[@ShaneCreates]

Hey Connor, that's a great suggestion. Thanks for sharing!

[@latoyalwoods]

@@ShaneCreates is it possible to install a smart switch and have it notify you if it’s ever turned off so you can simply turn it back on? (New to all this smart home stuff, so don’t crucify me for a silly question if it is). 😊

[@mortymort7075]

@@latoyalwoods The Aqara switches allow you to disable the physical toggles so people can only turn them on/off through Homekit or the Aqara app. I think that might be what you're looking for.

[@AlexManMe]

Is the circle view camera better than this one? That one has 5ghz

[@joaquinvaquero7198]

Many thanks for the review

[@ShaneCreates]

Thanks for watching!

[@saugustineosabi]

How does this camera compare to eufy cam 2 pro in terms image quality and motion detection ?

[@1025DSR]

Another solid vid/review Shane. Does this light have the ability to work as a dusk to Dawn light AND perform as a camera? For clarity, my garage lights come on at dark and go off at dawn using a smart switch exposed to HomeKit.

[@ShaneCreates]

Thank you! Yes, you can set up the light to automate like that however you want. Since it is exposed as a separate light in homekit, you can use it in automations just like any light.

[@1025DSR]

Thanks for the response!

[@TimDeWaele]

Looks seminar to the Netatmo Presence but the Eve has a cheaper look in my opinion. Netatmo also works HomeKit AND with andriod! If you have a partner wits a android phone, she also can watch the camera. A point you can’t ignore.

[@ShaneCreates]

If you have a partner with an android... it's time to find a new partner. 😝 I'm kidding of course! You make a good point. Although I don't feel that this camera looks cheap at all. It's solid and built well imo.

[@besnik10305]

Is this 10 day continuous 24/7 recording video…. like nest camera?

[@ShaneCreates]

No, it is motion based recording. HomeKit doesn't natively support 24/7 recording.

[@marcydoe9275]

Hi. Great review, thanks. One question tho. Does the camera have to be in range of any of the HomeKit hubs to send video to it or does it simply happen over the wifi via the router? The animation in your review shows a direct link hence the question ;) I’m quite new to the HomeKit secure video so just want to make sure. Thanks a lot

[@stevevarga1045]

Hi I got one now for about 4 days and it goes off line frequently I do have a strong wifi signal what can I do as I am getting disappointed with this camera

[@xFrenchxVanillax]

Can we get comparison video Vs the netatmo

[@timmkruger4551]

I wish they bring a Doorbell Version

[@ajfrostx]

Hopefully it will have more longevity than Eve’s previous indoor camera.

[@ShaneCreates]

My Eve indoor camera still works fine also.

[@Dactylonian]

Thanks for this review. Really appreciate you laying out the pros and cons so clearly. What specifically made the installation so challenging? Was it the limited real estate to put the wires and clips in? Or maybe the lack of a bracket?

[@ShaneCreates]

Yes, mostly the difficulty was due to the lack of space to work with the wires. But also the mounting. This may be easier for some people depending on your setup. Since that large hole was cut out of my vinyl box and no great way to mount to the existing bracket, things were a bit challenging.

[@firefinch-shd]

I installed mine yesterday. The instructions sequence is not comfortable. I joined the wires before mounting the camera, saved a lot of effort. The torx bit that eve provide has very low tolerance. You can only tight 60 degrees at a time. You spend more time trying to fit the wrench in the screw than tightening. Also, the camera quality isn’t great. I can’t see registration on fedex truck ~15 feet from camera. I’ll most likely return it

[@joeyschmidt7546]

id love to buy this but im not paying a monthly subscription for apple icloud storage when im arleady paying for the system. ill get an old school system these monthly subscription is a rip off to scam you for more money for something you dont need but they force you to pay for it or you cant use the system. its almost a scam in a way they make that a requirement. thats like buying a car then the dealer makes you buy monthly subscrption or they wont let you start and use the car after buying it

[@methodicaljuan]

Did you mention price? Great videos btw! Keep them coming.

[@ShaneCreates]

Thank you! It's $250 US currently. That's about $50 less than the comparable Netatmo Outdoor Camera.

[@mathrocks7591]

Great. I wish it would save video locally

[@CarlRyds]

There doesn’t seem to be any affordable outdoor battery cameras with SD card slots for HomeKit, there’s seems to be loads of ones they support Google and Alexa. Aqura is good but only do indoor cameras or you have ones like this that are wired.

[@ShaneCreates]

Not sure about "affordable," but the Netatmo Outdoor camera supports SD card storage. Also the Eufy cameras can record locally onto the base stations included storage (not SD). Outdoor cameras for HomeKit will typically be more expensive than indoor cameras.

[@Nick19837]

It would be great if Eve made a version of this without the floodlight - just the small camera with night vision.

[@rwu3591]

Great video again…

[@jimmy_changa6964]

Happy Father’s Day Shane! Quick question: did I hear right..? You said it could record up to 15 hours ? Or did I misheard that ?

[@ShaneCreates]

Thanks Jaime! No, you misheard. That was referring to the timeout duration of the motion sensor.

[@qstorm76]

-20 degrees Celsius. Won’t work for my area 😕

[@Polkster13]

Love the kitty in the video. Does it belong to you or a neighbor?

[@ShaneCreates]

Haha no, it's not mine. My cameras are always picking up the neighborhood cats.

[@19Geburtstag]

Problem with the Eve Cam: You can’t blacken any areas in the picture and make us unrecognizable. Means that I film the neighboring property 24/7, which is not allowed.... I absolutely don’t understand why no one complains about it in any video and why I’m apparently the only one who bothers 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@justinphy7229]

YOOO!!!! I desperately want a smart home lock that works with apple home key , but far as I know there’s only one and it’s like $500 ☹️… and I’m not about that. Maybe closer to $200 is more doable

[@ShaneCreates]

$500?? I have the Schlage Encode Plus. It costs $300 but it sold out everywhere right now.

[@justinphy7229]

@@ShaneCreates where did you order yours from? Because everywhere I’ve been looking it’s in that price range and I’m not about it

[@geek2330]

Pricey.

[@pep98]

Great video. ACCEPT....you do not show how to install it in home! And exactly that doesnt work, and not only with me. Few friends and neighbours had the same problem.

[@shadow.banned]

Yeah, they need to fix that wiring like ASAP... not in 3 years.

[@nicholas790]

Interesting Eve product but no Thread? I will not buy anymore Homekit products that need separate hubs (besides iPhones, Apple TVs, Minis or iPads.) And I want Thread on all my devices from now on. Eve has good thread support on some (not all) of their devices but not this one (yet). Also no more battery devices. The hard wiring for this is a plus in my opinion.

[@ShaneCreates]

Thread is intended for low power products. Cameras require too much bandwidth to rely on thread.

[@joshuakolton9955]

Why can’t we get a decent wireless outdoor camera that doesn’t need a bridge? That’s honestly all I want.

[@oliversamala4215]

Great review, Prof Shane! You explain things very well and I like the fact that you don’t hold back on your opinions about the products on review. I currently have a 2K eufy cam that I attached to a solar panel. It works really well but it doesn’t have the flood lamp. I would love to get the Eve but I think it only supports 120v and we use 220v in the Philippines. I’ll try looking for a solar panel that can supply the needed current. Lastly, does this flood light cam support Thread?

[@ShaneCreates]

Thank you Oliver! I appreciate the support and kind words. This camera supports 100-240V, replacing an existing outdoor light. It does not support thread. Thread is ideal for low power and bandwidth devices (sensors, battery products, switches, etc). Cameras require too much bandwidth to rely solely on thread.

[@oliversamala4215]

@@ShaneCreates got it. Makes sense. Thanks again for all the help.

[@macsterguy]

That’s actually a very typical European fixture installation. Very strange indeed they make it way too hard USA. Does this the best! I guess this camera is thread?

[@ShaneCreates]

No Thread, it connects via wifi. Thread is designed for low power devices so you probably won't see cameras that can rely solely on Thread. Too much bandwidth is required for video.

[@michaelannanack1033]

💰💰💰💰💰💰💰🏠

[@mavenaz1975]

Hmmm… not sure it’s worth the trouble changing out my CircleView’s. It’s a darn shame they went with this design without the traditional option as well. Perhaps USB does not allow the power needed for the light. Oh well… gotta wait for the Next 👍

[@artieartya]

2.4ghz is fail. And no Wi-Fi AC.

[@SimonDeiner]

Looks like a cheap knock off of the Netatmo?

[@ShaneCreates]

It's definitely solid and well built.

[@macforr]

Apple user here and Apple has a terrible selection of cameras. Apple needs to put some more energy in partning up some other companies. Can’t wait for matter products.