Is The Forever Winter Casual Enough for Scav Players

[@MessinVR]

Seeing BigFry cry the entire time confirmed all my suspicions when it came to this game. This game isn’t for everyone but it was definitely for me.

[@spentcasing3990]

I saw that too. The guy's an idiot

[@joransrb]

i am for sure gonna jump on this the 24th, it might be janky and clunky, but so far the devs have been transparent with their vision and it looks awesome 🫡 keep up the content 🤘

[@basedsketch4133]

I'm going like a jackal on a bone in ham glazed with honey and brown sugar.

[@holdenhodgdon3756]

Same: I spent the early 2000's building gaming rigs with multiple mid grade AMD GPUs in Crossfire ... My tolerance for suffering though Jank is world class.

[@dedman1096]

I will have this game day one…I may not be able to play it the same day because I have work the day after, but I for sure will have it at the ready…

[@NoClipExtraction]

@joransrb I'm sure a lot of these bugs will be polished out over time I'm curious about events like boss battles and other end game content and what it will bring different since the beta testing definitely looking forward to it.

[@NoClipExtraction]

@@holdenhodgdon3756 hopefully we won't need nitrogen for extreme cooling while in the heat of battle

[@Rustybongs81]

Hey, I'm down for the magnet fishing for sure. It IS different, but very fitting. Good video, got a lot from it

[@niccosalonga9009]

They should have a free casual player "demo" where people can enter the world for free as a character without firearms (not even a scav) looking for water. They can bring more chaos to the games of players who bought the game and who allow casual players to join their game.

[@MaxMozin-wr2ds]

I belive this is the game I have been waiting for. 3-4 years with no game really doing it for me, this game tick every box!

[@alexubel]

Given the water mechanic, it will likely be the only game you play.

[@mixmaster6827]

Not sure about the location awareness feature. It doesn't really make sense for some unaffiliated scavenger to become targeted enemy #1 when they're not part of that faction's enemy. They'd be worth spraying a couple rounds at to get rid of, but not hunting down from all over the map.

[@ouroboros.berlin]

Depends on the loot I guess

[@basedsketch4133]

All hail Mother Courage and Big Green!

[@nobushidono9897]

Marty O' Donnell and Michael Salvatore would do wonders if asked to make music for Forever Winter. Great video. Keep up the good work. Subbed.

[@moonscore]

The reason this filthy casual quit Tarkov was actually not getting wrecked by chads, it was the fact that it took almost 10 minutes to get back into a game after you died. Once counted like 15 minutes of actual play time over the course of a real life hour. Dark and Darker, on the other hand, gets you in another game instantaneously.

[@titusaurelius5661]

I don't wanna wait 3 more days. So fucking hyped

[@jackvinn]

You're gonna wait another year before it's in a functioning state. The game is in a rough rough place.

[@titusaurelius5661]

@@jackvinn looks fun to me. Dont really care, I just wanna get my hands on it.

[@beprf]

I don't think it's gonna be casual enough, but I don't think it needs to be. Success is relative and dependent on the dev's goals. Not every game needs 100k+ players to be very successful.

[@AnonymousOtters]

Every game needs enough players to make it profitable. It costs big money to keep live service games going.

[@LockDOTspot]

​@AnonymousOtters it's not live service.

[@AnonymousOtters]

@@LockDOTspot Maybe the wrong term, but the point is true regardless. You have to have enough players to have an active player pool and at a minimum fund the game. Misplaced hardcore mechanics like realtime progress loss on the water system is going to lead to this stalling in early access due to lack of funds or lack of players. There are plenty of ways to implement game difficulty and mechanics to make it hardcore in-game without being disrespectful to people's lives when they need to do other things out of game

[@LockDOTspot]

@AnonymousOtters a lot of people are excited about this game. After watching some gameplay myself, it did seem pretty hardcore, and unforgiving, but the atmosphere is great. Once the game releases I'll let the hardcore gamers play it, and decide from there, but the hype isn't dead or anything.

[@beprf]

@@AnonymousOtters my point is that "enough" is relative. We don't know how much they invested. It's a small dev team of 30 people. It's not a live device. Also, it's peer to peer connection, so they won't be spending money on servers. And no, they technically don't even need an active player pool, they stated in the announcement video that they're making the game playable solo and locally so that even if the game fails, the game is playable for anyone that invests in it.

[@LoafingMushroom]

I'm definitely going to buy this, but I do worry a little that these guys are suffering from scope creep.

[@mrk6413]

For somebody relatively new to looter shooters, could someone explain the fishing comment? I presume it's some kind of method for getting loot but I don't understand the context

[@MrAgmoore]

I dunno I'm 48 and been gaming since I was 7. First I'm hearing of it. Fishing? Fishing is something like in an MMO like World of Warcraft.

[@SirBlitzALot]

Im 40 minutes in im liking the vibe

[@basedsketch4133]

Supressors bring a gun to a oh so quiet 110 decibles i believe. Shoot when the lightning cracks in this world maybe

[@uscmhudson5504]

They should really do a dedicated server.

[@0Metatron]

Casual players should just literally find something else instead of constantly complaining and trying to ruin every hardcore game out there!!! Stay in your lane with COD and Fortnight and let the hardcore gamers have their fill for once!!!

[@prashantteelucksingh2964]

I think arena breakout mobile is a somewhat middle ground

[@SebastianA.W.]

4 digts ending usernames, are they... real people?

[@ElDaumo]

cringe

[@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4]

Agreed. A game for everyone is a game for no one. You find your audience and make a solid community.

[@KABLAMMATS]

​@@ElDaumo yeah yeah we know your middle name, whats up?

[@janovmi2]

to me Forever Winter is more like STFO rather than Tarkov

[@AverageFanofGaming384]

As a somewhat casual player its not that bad unless you very rarely play video games.

[@ImHavingaCoronary]

Promises to Revolutionize combat: stagger enemies...use selective fire....guns attract attention...balance fire power and stealth. So combat as usual then?

[@operator9858]

casual players are to be left behind. they are only a liability in a warzone anyways :)

[@gameboom7579]

im glad to see they are following the steps to a good game by adding fishing, magnet fishing feels like it fits better

[@basedsketch4133]

We magnet fish yet toothy plays claw machine lol i bet his evil lil cyber brain smiles

[@SnakeSmall20]

What a fucking fishing, there is such a war around and give them fishing))))

[@basedsketch4133]

Dogs like they are owned for in terminator maybe. City invasion by advanced cyborgs slipping in? Hehehe

[@Endgunner]

Tittle had nothing to do with the video. Nice.

[@MrAgmoore]

We got clickbaited - want refund.

[@Endgunner]

@@MrAgmoore Nah, just annoying to see. lol I thought this was actually going to be a talk on difficulty.

[@MrAgmoore]

@@Endgunner "I've Played The Forever Winter - It's Brutal" by DTOX

[@AnonymousOtters]

Game concept looks amazing, and is 99% what I want except the harcore mechanics like water loss while out of game. Those mechanics are just plain poorly designed. Its totally fine for the game to be hard, but it will fail if you alienate a massive amount of potential players base over it forcing you to regularly play to avoid progress loss.

[@FloridaGoth]

Idk why but im in a cycle of enjoying more complex and difficult games like stalker gamma. I really hope this game doesn't conform to the dorito crowd. A strong niche audience that'll last is better then a large watered down audience that complain forever. It doesn't have to be ball torture, but please don't be Grim Dark in name only

[@DegenProjects]

I think the game is gonna fall under niche like GTFO.

[@hoyle038]

I truly want this game to succeed. But, I honestly think this game wasn't made for the casual player. The water depleting while your not even logged into the game is a bad choice.

[@0Metatron]

It’s not a bad choice at all!! Not all games have to cater for casuals!! They have enough titles without constantly moaning and trying to water down and ruin the few games out there that do cater for hardcore players!!

[@stuart2642]

@@0Metatron i dont consider myself a "casual" player but the water depletion when not in game is simply a terrible mechanic, not a "hardcore" one. i want my games to be hard but they shouldnt hold my progress hostage when i want to play something else for a few weeks like its a game not my gf lmao. (they also said you dont need their servers to play which is interesting because then the game cant keep track of time passing irl)

[@themattgannon]

​@@0Metatron it is a bad mechanic. I love the idea of this game not holding any punches, but I'm the type of player that burns out on games quickly if I play them too much. This mechanic punishes me for wanting to play other games in my library.

[@themattgannon]

​​@@stuart2642it would likely just check your computer's clock and run some calculation, that's how most offline games keep track of time passing (I agree with you though, I don't like this mechanic)

[@ProductionsBlueberry]

@@0Metatron What a shitty attitude. Easy way to kill a game off.

[@MuzluPattes16]

Trying to balance a game for casuals will never work, just look at tarkov, if you make it easier for casuals you end up making it easier for no life tarkov grinders too and it's a never ending cycle. If I were a game dev I would make a hardcore game and balance it with no life gamers in mind, if you have a 9-5 job it's your life I should not care so much about it to balance my game's progression around you. That would result in either a game with not enough casual player base and have a small total players, or the game is too good and people play regardless like rust and tarkov.

[@0Metatron]

Exactly, casuals should stick to casual games and stop trying to water down the few games out there that are for hardcore players.

[@MuzluPattes16]

@@0Metatron YES

[@prashantteelucksingh2964]

Agreed, but do hate the fact that the casual market is such trash, I just wish there would be a casual with this style (extraction shooters)

[@MuzluPattes16]

@@prashantteelucksingh2964 They don't succeed as casualised version of this would have bo insentive to continue playing without a challenge.

[@yeahnowhatever4164]

Genuine question. If people with jobs cant play it, who going to pay for it?

[@vladb_]

I want it on my Xbox Series X ❤

[@Joe-ti7qd]

Worst game ive played in 2024. Shockingly terrible

[@rapidresponseteam6048]

Having a timer that forces people to play isn’t hardcore it’s predatory. I have a life to live and sometimes I like to play difficult games but Elden ring isn’t gonna wipe my levels if I take a break for a day.

[@The_Egg_Studio]

Then go live life. Elden ring is single player non live service. 2 different games and if you can’t find time to play in 80 days then it’s not for you not ever game should be.

[@rapidresponseteam6048]

@@The_Egg_Studio so I like everything about the game except one mechanic and suddenly it’s not for me?

[@The_Egg_Studio]

@@rapidresponseteam6048 labeling it as predatory yeah. It is a hardcore game where YOU should be worries about supplies. Lose gear as you die. Water is easy to get farming it (3hours in) I’ve got about 10 days worth I haven’t farmed just have been playing

[@rapidresponseteam6048]

@@The_Egg_Studio having to feed a reset timer isn’t worrying about supplies it’s just tedious. Also if it’s so easy to immediately fill up the water tank then why have water death? It clearly Isn’t there for the challenge since it takes a day of steady play to fill it up. It exists solely to punish those who stop playing consistently not those who do. This is why I consider it predatory.

[@The_Egg_Studio]

@@rapidresponseteam6048 the water mechanic is a part of other things you unlock parts of the innards the more water you have the more water you have the more people you attract. There is more to it then a timer you need to have X amount of water to have access to this part of the innards so on so forth. It’s easy to farm if you only want water you decide whether to get water or large lockboxes or gatcha boxes ect.

[@basedsketch4133]

Dogs like they are owned for in terminator maybe. City invasion by advanced cyborgs slipping in? Hehehe