Is the Future Immutable Desktops? | Fedora Silverblue

[@tato-chip7612]

I used silverblue for a laptop i gave to my mom. Other than that using it on my PC for a while taught me about how great containerized development environments are.

[@electricalbatross5797]

Silverblue is good on the right hardware (otherwise you have to just about break the immutability to get drivers installed). Advanced users will see limitation, but honestly it encourages healthy habits like sandboxing, and is rock solid stable as a result. Windows having a "registry" that changes as you install programs is a big issue that pushes some people to Linux or Mac, and Silverblue is about as opposite of that model as you can possibly get.

[@ArniesTech]

OpenSUSE is about to go this route as well after Leap's EoL. I wont hate or fanboy around. I will be curious, neutral and willing to learn new stuff. 😊

[@SwitchedtoLinux]

I really like the Fedora implementation over the NixOS implantation, which I find to be too limiting.

[@rafaelsoares2593]

I'm not a fan of Gnome but I will test the Sway flavor. Please share your thoughts on Fedora Sericea 38.

[@briianhebert]

Thanks for the video! I'll be sticking with Linux Mint. I can however see how an Immutable system could be valuable in some instances.

[@UltimusShadow.]

For corporate offices this is great, for personal use I'd never touch an OS with an "immutable file system".

[@joschafinger126]

If the office is large enough to have its own IT technician, loads of configurations can be barred to normal users either way. XFCE, for instance, gives you very fine control over what requires sudo privileges in matters pertaining to the desktop, over and above stuff such as installing software etc. I've been struggling with that, in fact: At work I use Xubuntu, and as a normal user I'm doomed to have the panel at the bottom, where I don't want it.

[@ransan]

I think there's a decent possibility that new users would gravitate towards immutable distros in the future. The tinkerers and advanced users will obviously avoid them.

[@peterjansen4826]

Yes, that seems most likely. Though even more advanced users (I consider myself intermediately experienced) get a bit of a mess at times when using Linux. I had a littly mysterie on my system, somehow mpv used the wrong version of ffmpeg which made mpv not work and it was not the package of mpv itself, I wasn't able to figure out how it happened after looking at all the packages which I installed from outside the repositories. A clean install (separate home-directory, so the install could be done relatively fast) solved the problem so it clearly was my own fault somehow. The first big error which I caused myself and I could not solve in a clean way.

[@ArniesTech]

Yep. Seems logic. Tinkerers are a suuuuuuuuper small minority. Most users (especially paying Enterprise clients) Just want a secure and working system. That's it.

[@npgoalkeeper]

You still have access to /etc and /var for configuring things like your desktop. If you ever need to change something in /usr or anywhere else, you'll still have overlays, or you can roll your own Dockerfiles. In some cases, you may even be able to switch immutability off. Other than that, using OCI containers as a mechanism for downloading and handling updates will replace the current status quo (meaning that immutability will become an inherent part of downloading and using something like fedora), at least according to the fedora roadmap.

[@realsifocopypaste]

i use docker full os for immuntable full system the host os is debian stable and i can run a lot of docker full os in top of it for example = debian testing docker full os , ubuntu docker full os , fedora docker full os, manjaro docker full os , rocky linux docker full os docker full os is like vm but it has native performance like chroot :) the gui apps will run directly in host os . it is like flatpak / snap gui apps :) we can also run it in shh, vnc, xrdp for full gui os etc :) we can also run docker nesting ( docker that run above docker) full os :)😊

[@npgoalkeeper]

Generic OCI images as full OS images are being worked on by the FSB project. It's called bootc, and it + regular dnf will replace rpm-ostree.

[@JohnHCarlin]

I can see a lot of benefits to this. Thank you for the video!

[@igrewold]

Thanks man

[@Amos_Huclkeberry]

Offline printer compatibility is an issue with these immutable distros.

[@SwitchedtoLinux]

HMMMM....something to try!

[@fabricio4794]

On Data Security it Works Fine...but im a Regular Linux user...i stick with Timeshift...

[@npgoalkeeper]

Immutable distros don't prevent data loss. They just sometimes prevent the system from having issues that would otherwise render it unbootable/useless.

[@MotownBatman]

I was watching a review on Vanilla again yesterday... I'm thinking this is gonna be the Future SubSystem of WinDoze...

[@Eyuphuro]

The future of hardware shipped with Linux pre-installed. Giving companies full control of the base OS and the user will only be possible to install flatpaks (Carbon OS is a perfect example of this).

[@SwitchedtoLinux]

I want to test CarbonOS, but it is not booting anywhere and they have no verification on their site to see if it downloaded corrected. I will try to DL it again to give it a try.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

As long this is another CHOICE....

[@metawolf987]

Yeah, I like tinkering with my OS, so immutable OS is not for me.

[@Maxume]

I'd be surprised if fewer than 90% of Linux desktop users are tinkerers at heart. So my question is this: Who is this for? Seems like a scratch for a non-existent itch.

[@akeem2983]

I use Linux and I love it, at the same time I am not a tinkerer - I like when an operating system just works out of the box, at the same time I want to use FOSS, secure and stable operating system, which still allows user to change anything in the system if it will ever be required. So regular Fedora Workstation works fine for me, but I think that Fedora Silverblue is an even better fit, since it's even more stable

[@conjurermast]

I understand why people like Silverblue, I really do. However flatpaks are just really slow to load. This is already blatantly obvious in this video. Firefox taking 2-3 seconds from an SSD doesn't feel that great, plus the user has to download an immense amount of data when updating anything. It seems like the load on the client computer & the repos hosting the flatpaks will be far higher than it would with PPA. It feels real bad to waste resources like this. What about if I need a command like app that needs Python libraries and whatnot. Do I have to package the flatpak myself? Is it possible to just write a script that uses PPA to install everything I need until the next day's wipe?

[@hypnoz7871]

Flatpacks solve more problems than they cause. For the data to download it's true if you just have a few flatpak. But if your system is based on them it doesn't change much since all libraries are shared between them (thank god). For the time it take to load personally all of mine take half a second at max.

[@tutacat]

The most annoying immutable operating system is android, not macos, contrary to popular belief

[@LiberEmFoco]

I'm just trying to understand why a bunch of linux youtubers are recommending Fedora for newcomers like it's ready-to-use, out-of-the-box. While it's a pain in the ass to install all proprietary codecs needed to make things just "work", then imagine the rest... No full access to Flathub, just what Fedora consider to be "okay" No access to Snapcraft (even though I'm not a fan, for newcomers all options enabled are better than nothing) Bad font rendering No easy access to proprietary drivers, codecs, programs and plugins. I'd better recommend Linux Mint, Zorin (even though it's way to dated), Manjaro, Pop OS than recommending Fedora. I'm not talking about Tom, but it seems some linux youtubers have been paid by RHEL to make propaganda out of it and spread that Fedora is the way to go -- for newcomers.

[@fabricio4794]

Exacly..im a Experient Desktop User And Fedora Sucks For Me....i Tryed All Flavors and Looks Poor....

[@CommodoreFan64]

I've been using Linux since the 90's in various states when Red Hat, and Corel Linux came on physical media, and Corel Linux cost me about as much as a copy of Windows, and I have to agree even as an experienced user Fedora can be a pain in the ass, which is why I'm currently on Manjaro Budgie for it's ease of usage until Solus becomes stable again now that Josh Strobl, and his team have taken back over development according to their official social media/reddit post.

[@30lajka]

Answer is Nobara linux.

[@MarkHobbes]

I thought it was just me to notice this.

[@SwitchedtoLinux]

The newer implementations of Fedora solve that. The proprietary codecs are now an option to check on first bootup. They really have come a long way for new users, though I still would stick with Mint.

[@PeterWolfe2012]

Linux becomes more and more proprietary and closed to the user? Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

[@akeem2983]

Silverblue is as FLOSS as the standard Fedora

[@hypnoz7871]

Nothing about Silverblue is proprietary.