Is the Indie Game Dev Dream Worth It?

[@IGNACY-fp8zo]

When I started about a month and a half ago, it felt impossible to get started. But now I memorized more code, more technique, more logic, and it’s more smooth. Not many people talk about this initial confusion, but one bit of advice I’ll give is to push on no matter how annoying or difficult and to study the Unity Manual

[@mahmoud-quran]

👍👍👍

[@ehadmili3043]

Bruh i started may last year and i literally havent learned a thing. Im proud to be a part of a community where people (such as yourself) can advance so fast, as for me im a complete idiot when it comes to this ngl, even tho i rlly love game dev

[@mahmoud-quran]

@@ehadmili3043 i’ve been wanted to learn game dev for years, and every attempt I’d get stuck on player movement then give up. But now I’m getting it

[@IGNACY-fp8zo]

@@ehadmili3043 I think that was just the initial thrust of learning. I’ve slowed down now, unfortunately, lol

[@ami7mina]

I'm doing it using Game Maker Studio. I hope I can do it too!

[@CW_89]

I love the conversations between you and Thomas. Great video.

[@MAGNETO-i1i]

You're Welcome

[@ThomasStewartDev]

These long podcasts with Thomas are my favorite type of content from you guys. Comparing with each other, dropping gems, and setting expectations is super helpful!

[@lh2pn]

I love to see you guys talk! I'm contacting publishers now inspired by the content of you both and I'm super happy!

[@EVERYTHING-ey9em]

How are you doing

[@mesolagic]

This talk has so much value in it. Thank you both for doing this!

[@MicahBuzanANIMATION]

Super enjoyable and inspiring talk. I'm not a game creator, but as an independent animator I found every topic and struggle you mentioned to be 100% relatable.

[@GuitarsRgood7]

I had imposter syndrome basically my whole life, and I didn't know it was a real thing until just a few months ago! I'm glad I'm not the only one. But I've made huge progress getting over it more.

[@spacerpunk]

All the videos you guys post are amazing and inspirational, don't doubt your content, stay strong and keep going. You inspire us.

[@decidev]

I spent four months experimenting with coding, visual scripting, game engines, etc. and had countless cancelled products. Eventually, I tried learning C# again and I was so much more succesful than I was the last time I tried the language. I found the best way to learn stuff (for me) was searching the unity c# documentation. I would have never got to this point without you though man. You have pushed me (and lots of others) to keep on moving forward and keep learning. So, thanks.

[@doggiedog936]

12:50 - When I was 14 I wanted to make some sort of Indie game of a story I thought of and when I tried working with Unity back then I followed Bracey's tutorial on GameDev and I got lost and couldn't keep up so I just told myself I would learn later in life and not worry about it now, 2 years later I made my first project in 3 months.

[@dorian4426]

Oh thank God you finally uploaded a video!!!!

[@RetroBreak]

Great to see you two doing a video again!

[@kianhaim-shadowexceed3448]

My Inspirations Thank you guys!! keep it up! made my game because of you guys!

[@1711john]

I have this going in the background while finishing up a game jam. Great stuff guys! Thanks for sharing.

[@jimmyjab190]

I have notifications on for this channel and for Thomas Brush, so it really confused me when I got this notification and Thomas Brush was on the thumbnail 😂😂

[@tienshido]

Also, paywalls are what fancy places use. Go to a 4/5 star restaurant for tea or coffee, only other successful people go there because they have money. But the prices for coffee really aren’t different from something like Starbucks.

[@Moby41]

You're looking great, David. Very relaxed and laid back. Love the energy.

[@weltenrandwanderer2626]

This has given me a lot of insights and value, thanks for making these videos and good luck with your next projects! : ) People are so quick to judge (especially when they don´t know how much work it is to make a game), don´t take the negative stuff to your heart, you are both very considerate and doing great work.

[@troglodev2533]

My weeks has been really stressful and this video really made me happy. I could hear you guys talks for several hours. You guys inspire me so much. ❤️

[@harrisoneasley3816]

Stay strong, pal! Hope your week gets better

[@tienshido]

Love this video. Love seeing and hearing the interaction between you two. And I hate to put my work into a subscription type thing because I really don’t agree with the concept. Paying over and over for something. But I may have to anyway....it feels like a violation to my soul though.

[@parentsandgaming9691]

Fantastic stuff! Thanks for your insight, encouragement, and realism. I know the road ahead of me is going to be long, but thank you two for showing us is can be done

[@boncret]

As a german its super interesting to listen to you guys. Here we are a couple of years behind you and there is so much to learn. Maybe i sign up for one of your courses once i can afford it. Keep up the great work!

[@cooperbibaud]

I love when you guys get together and talk. Thank you!

[@PolygonHive]

Much love from a new Full Time Indie Dev from France

[@themanintheback7697]

I've just started my youtube channel a week ago doing exactly what you are doing by chance and i would be happy to hear what you think about it :)

[@GermanCoronel]

I really hope you make it man, keep working!

[@taylorcervenka5899]

Gave a like for openness and vulnerability! Great talk, love the topics

[@timsonss]

Indie dev is risky but I think its very much worth it. First of all, if your game doesnt bang, you still have the skill you learned while making your game. You can always try your best and apply for a company and try to break into industry with the skill you acquired along the way. + the game will look really good on your portfolio

[@UnderfundedScientist]

I totally agree , gotta keep learning and keep making , continue to push and market

[@ThibsWorkshop]

You should really make an edited version of the video, I don't have 1h45mins to spend on listen to the conversation, but Ill probably miss nice information!

[@RubiixCat]

For me its a question of what's more important: getting my dream job, or getting my dream life (outside of work). For me, its the latter, and (with many of the same skills I learned for game dev) I'm far more likely to acquire enough money to live my dream life through more boring software development jobs/projects than I would be through indie game development. Game Dev is certainly an AMAZING and incredibly productive hobby though. I sometimes do it when I'm feeling a bit "lazy", but since my full-time job has me sat at a computer all day I try to be more active when I have free time.

[@TheF4c3m4n]

Creating a game is very hard, and it isn't for everyone. I have been doing it for 6 years on my own, and I have learned a lot since putting in thousands of hours. You must be willing to put in the time to learn, you have to be dedicated, be confident, have determination, be creative, stay focused, be ready to spend some money and take the chance of not getting any back, not have a life, getting your wife/husband to compromise, be willing to learn many new things that come along with being a Game Developer. Your game Must be Unique and Stand Out! Good Luck!

[@francomontenegro]

I don't usually comment on KZbin videos but man, what an amazing chat. Thank you so much to both of you and thanks for taking the time to upload it. Really appreciate it.

[@DeepFriedOreoOffline]

At the beginning of the video you guys seem sad about having a good year, but you shouldn't do that to yourselves! Not only are you teaching and motivating people to follow their passions and find success in similar ways to yours, when people put money into you, you turn around and put it into the asset developers, and other creatives that you do business with, which helps make sure the people around you have a good year also! When a community of people all pay for each other's services that's called a thriving economy, one which gets built up every day by those of you who keep the dream alive. Just because not everyone can be at the top doesn't mean those at the top have anything to feel bad about for being there. It is a very important part of making sure those who deserve theirs find it :)

[@Gagi69]

Really great and insightful podcast. I wanted to ask if you could make a video on how to find the right people to work with?

[@benjaminblissett7574]

Extremely Helpful Guys. Thanks!!! :)

[@thathardrockguy]

this was helpful and informative and you both deserve the success you have received. I wish you both the best!

[@DeepWorksStudios]

Thank you that u share this experience with us

[@erikm9768]

David seem truly passionate about the actual game dev and Thomas Brush seem more interested in making money

[@shaynebuk]

Imposter Syndrome. My game is getting close to being finished (a couple of months). Years of part-time effort and I am having the same issue before I even release it. Your discussion of this has helped.

[@JustinPBarnett]

Someone bought Course Creator Pro ;)

[@renocolipartijames9286]

they're both so shameless about it too! both pretending they're not just looking for ways to fleece their fans lol. it's sad that people fall for it

[@JustinPBarnett]

@@renocolipartijames9286 eh, my thoughts are that if they can make it work...you know like have a concise course packed with valuable content that would otherwise take weeks or months to find on the internet, then good for them. I'd definitely make a course if in their position. You just have to realize that none of this will be "new" information. Just in one place.

[@Gagi69]

@@JustinPBarnett Agreed. There is nothing bad about making your work easier if the content remaims in a high quality.

[@djay_popping2793]

@@renocolipartijames9286 Im in davids course, its great. One of the best course I've ever been in to be honest. Your mindsets fucked up G.

[@Whitey23]

@@renocolipartijames9286 i was scared abouit it, are they actually doing the "we have a course to tell you how to make yourself millionaire but we never tell you how to actually do it"?!

[@sillyDave]

Great stuff guys! Keep up the good work! :)

[@studioprimitive]

Two of the most inspiring indie game figures out there right now! These guys are great to listen to.

[@Lugmillord]

34:00 Oh God... don't scare me like that. My current project runs on Unity 2017 and I'm so scared of updating. My main job is as a programmer, so I know that updates can cause so many headaches.

[@samandrew5643]

I have question is a programmer and a game developer is the same thing ?

[@Lugmillord]

@@samandrew5643 Not necessarily. If there's a team, some members may focus on art / music, etc. But even a solo developer can use tools that don't require "real" programming but use a visual representation of code. I believe the maker of Project Feline uses something like that. You should check it out.

[@samandrew5643]

@@Lugmillord wow I lookup Project Feline and it's such an amazing game

[@Lugmillord]

@@samandrew5643 Yeah, it's crazy what a solo dev can do.

[@shadowreaper5413]

Which one to get Game Dev unlocked or Full time game dev from Thomas Brush??

[@Soulis98]

When the pizza owner said "It's pizza time" I felt that.

[@joshlovesfood]

Fantastic video, great perspective!

[@JustGabe]

Dude, when reading negative feedback 1) DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONALLY, and 2) BE SMART ABOUT WHAT THE FEEDBACK IS SAYING, in other words, is the feedback actually explaining some issue? Because comments like "it looks boring" or "I don't like X thing" without anything else, or if someone says "the music sucks" when 20 other people LOVED IT, is just white noise to me. However, if the negative feedback is something like "I feel the perspective is wrong and should be more inclined this way because that way the visual well be better", now THAT'S HELPFUL AS HELL! Be selective on which feedback you give importance to.

[@Repanon00]

I think one thing people who criticizes these two for promoting their products is they forget Thomas and David have families to support. They have bills, concerns and stress single game devs don't have. Money is very important when you are a Father and paying the bills, putting food on the table, trying to plan for your kids future and so on. Giving everything for free or cheap is not always an option, especially when you have a business to run and not a back up job. And that may be the difference with some devs. These two are running a business to support their family now. The hobby aspect is over. and you will sacrifice for your family if that means franchising a game or selling courses to help make ends meet. it's business 101: Passive Income. Look it up. Don't work harder, work smarter which these two did discuss in this video in different ways. Just my two cents as a Father and game dev supporting a family by myself.

[@Jennifer-ju8de]

raking in overpriced course money on the backs of young and aspiring game developers is pure vomit inducing. Ofcourse money is important and there is nothing wrong with selling a course. But not in Brush his case. He is a manipulative fraud. His games run like shit on switch and he is selling a course? All he teaches or at least ramble about is from free resources found on the internet. All he does is read his comments and see how much questions there is for a tutorial... I purchase a lot of courses on skill share for my agency but I have never spend 400 dollars for 12 videos rambling about a guy who hires a company to film himself riding on a 5k bike shot with a drone...or film his family in his gated-community house to show of his so called wealth... He is a scammer, and I have to say a good one as he is able to polish his turds up into a shiny gem. However it sickens me that all these poor souls look at these typical guru tactics and surlf the wave of these online course trend. "show of the wealth and talk how well you are doing .... to lure in new money" Open your eyes please. and once again this has nothing to do with earning fair money, or supporting a family. This is about being real, being humble and truthfully. Please!!!! open your eyes.

[@needfulsamurai8630]

You're glad 2020 is over... await what 2021 is going to bring... :D

[@albertocatania6165]

I'm a 40 years old guy. Do you think that I can start doing games at this age. I feel that I would like to try but I feel stuck for my age...

[@luluthecat4529]

The only way to know is to do it ^^ your age shouldn't stop you from doing the things you want to do :3 Go for it !

[@albertocatania6165]

@@luluthecat4529 thank you 😊

[@pacusz]

Its super cool to see you two together talking about games dev.

[@watercat1248]

i totally agree with that part 1:27:40 this exactly what i believe for my game im sure people are interested to play my games the fact is i known people that wait to release the game the problem is not many people know about i always stock to promote my self

[@NorthGameStudio]

You guys are awesome I have 3 little kids. I can totally relate.

[@FlareNee]

Nice! I wanted to here more about this!

[@LudusGames]

Always pursue your dream ! Interesting topic 😃

[@tienshido]

You are awesome too David! Keep going! Keep growing!

[@_nickthered]

Thanks guys so helpful, I feel so behind. What have I been doing with my time

[@VykxTre]

1:34:36 does anyone know what principles he is talking about?

[@ZoosheeStudio]

If you mean the 80/20 principal it means 80 percent of something is 20 percent of something else. Such as 80 percent of restaurant customers only make 20 percent of restaurant revenue. Its the 20 percent of the customers that pays the bills. The last 20 percent of making a video game requires 80 percent of work required for the whole game. 80 percent of you will only make up 20 percent of what makes you special. Find what that 20 percent is to really show off your full potential.

[@samandrew5643]

@@ZoosheeStudio thx😁

[@aatwo]

Damn, it cut deep when you said creative energy dries up by 30

[@hdhwkq]

Great game dev motivaters

[@tienshido]

Btw, hello Thomas’s personal assistant 🖐🏽 I’ll be praying for you too.

[@CodingWorm]

I have that same dream he talks about in this video.

[@nextRealityGames]

Is this available in podcast form?

[@playplus5386]

i have to learn inverse kinematics - any suggestions guys ? really need help

[@jaymarksman]

1:36:35 Actually, Rovio had made around 50 games before Angry Birds :)

[@Jennifer-ju8de]

False, angry birds was their 11th game.

[@jaymarksman]

@@Jennifer-ju8de From Rovio's official site, from the "about" section: 2009 The 52nd game 51 games later, near bankruptcy, and in need of a big hit, Rovio develops its 52nd game, Angry Birds, in eight months.

[@Jennifer-ju8de]

@@jaymarksman Okay then Wikipedia is incomplete. I stand corrected!

[@ryanlaseter7626]

I love these conversations 👏🏻

[@tienshido]

Praying for you too David :)

[@atharvvbhandare]

Yes

[@watercat1248]

You and Thomas you mange to make my dream work to create your own game studio personly no matter how mach work and effort give in my games i still don't have the money for create my own stoudio and I don't even have i team

[@tienshido]

OH! You mean like professors teaching business without having a business? 😂

[@BLUDDLY]

WELP, EITHER WAY IM TOO FAR INTO GAMEDEV TO TURN BACK :DD

[@jasperdavis8234]

i haven't even watched it yet and i already know its gonna be good

[@Kabodanki]

work ethic.... that getting rare, we have a real issue with interns (not all) year after year in my company.

[@NextBeack]

3D vs 2D devs :X

[@FlareNee]

Independent New Development In Everything. The true level of Indie game development.

[@pratyushhhhh42]

All game dev content on KZbin is a scam Thomas brush - his channel just exists to sell his course Dani - he acts like he his a idiot but he is a mastermind His channel just exists for marketing of his game game dev unlocked - also for the course Only genuine content creator was Brackeys But he left KZbin He gave all his content for free

[@Fransadiwinata]

yes some indie dev just made a video couple of weeks ago saying he made more money from youtube ads actually than his game ads so basicly making vids is more worth the effort than making game

[@artyWeeb]

Ofcourse, and Plus they are big inspiration of beginning gameDev isn't it.

[@TheCobasmira]

As a freelancer myself I agree with every word. Just advertising, nothing more. If someone needs a proper content - look elsewhere. Golden age of a gamedev long passed, now we have only crap.

[@pratyushhhhh42]

@ Paul Kurokhtin yah

[@statusstore9431]

Blackthornprod is doing good job after brackeys!

[@JGrantUK]

I cant understand how he's selling a course on how to be a game dev when Neversong is broken on PS4. You literally can't unlock the platinum and I and numerous people have queried him about this and he's flat-out ignoring it. Like, how're you gonna teach others to do things right when you don't already. Guy is a hack.

[@blackwarrior823]

Great!

[@aeroplangames]

Greetings from Moscow! Gamedev 4ever :)

[@tienshido]

David, what you said there at the last, that is exactly what the scriptures say. We take the Word, the truth which is greater than facts or experienced reality, and we change both perceived reality and physical reality through believing the truth. So we keep muttering the truth all day. I mean that’s the gospel. Perfect beings having lost perfection, believing that THE perfect being came and gave perfection back and took away imperfection, through both faith and relationship with Him. That’s the gospel. We have to keep muttering it though. Marry the truth.

[@TheBugB]

Thomas it’s cause ur hair

[@ryanlaseter7626]

I really hope one day I get to just chat with either one of you like this, man that'd be so amazing 😅 two role models right here 💪🏻

[@itsME-dc4vm]

Nice ;D

[@MusicalGeniusBar]

Its so great to hear that even successful people have problems . Keep up the good work

[@Kabodanki]

Everybody has problems, EVERYBODY

[@arcday4281]

Useless video! But I liked it!

[@ramoncf7]

1:19:12 😂

[@TheProphecy64]

Awww yeah!! Keep it up David! My bro is a champ!

[@misterbeach8826]

Wrong question. It's like asking whether you should found a startup, a bakery, or a cafe. The question should be: Do you have a brilliant idea? If not, do not do it. It never was different in history, and never will be. If all you seek is to satisfy your parents, or a few likes and interviews, or to prove yourself as x, then you'll not make it. Your idea, your product, your unique service -- only this matters.

[@astromonkey1757]

It's because the way capitalism works nowadays, people buy your stuff because of your name, not because the merits of your games, you get success but you know that it doesn't sit on par with the quality of your product, so you feel bad about it. Same goes for twitch and youtube, people have no idea why they get such success, they don't deem themselves worthy of it, and they are right, but that's not the way the world works in 2020-2021. Fame trumps merit anytime. Look at Among us....really? all that success for a cluedo game with absolutely no decent game mechanics, no rpg, no strategy, no nothing, it's literally cluedo online. Look at Flappy bird. And the list goes on.

[@Kyle-ho4lj]

people want the same thing, with a twist

[@Jennifer-ju8de]

Biased course sellers... Ofcourse is the indie dream worth it if you can rely on an audience that is aspiring to become a game dev. pay close attention. Both sell a course. Don't be fooled. This is pure propaganda. Why are they making a course? To help you? Then the course would be a lot cheaper. Why so expensive? Because its worth it? No, because its their income... Bottom line: There is no money to be made with mediocre games. Maybe if you score a hit or your have recurring income of ads in mobile games. Open your eyes kids. Stay in school and get an solid coding / art foundation first and then... try a game as a hobby...

[@RJ-stills]

I was convinced since the day Thomas launched a course!

[@Jennifer-ju8de]

@@wrenwoodard1077 can you link it? Always good to read other people’s thoughts on a delusional money hungry capitalist who is taking advantage of aspiring young game devs.

[@Ttangko_]

Go keep doing your evil stuff thinking it's good Karen

[@Jennifer-ju8de]

@@Ttangko_ Keep your ass in the person before you sheep! OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES PUPPY!!!

[@finn9233]

@@wrenwoodard1077 sauce

[@Jennifer-ju8de]

Btw the pinstripe switch physical copy is 44 dollars? LOL! How money hungry can you be? The game is hardly worth 15 dollars... or is the price based on the loading times? Pinstripe a single level takes longer than an entire zone in dark souls. This pencil boy is delusional.

[@kingbling7571]

Wud rather get a pirated version

[@ccg5656]

Game developing really is determined by your personality.

[@bigspaghetti9065]

You dont need personality personality is over rated

[@bigspaghetti9065]

Just be yourself

[@ami7mina]

my take from this. dont get kids. lol

[@beanmr8643]

👍

[@boot-strapper]

It's like they are learning in real time that making games is not profitable but "teaching" others to do it is. All gurus are the same. What an joke.

[@tienshido]

Texas and PA have very low living cost

[@djay_popping2793]

This comment section is full of toxic people, no wonder David doesn't read this garbage LOL

[@TheBugB]

Heyooo

[@melomaniakjm]

🤢

[@nursultannazarov8379]

Yeah, this 2 imposters

[@EVERYTHING-ey9em]

Hello