Is the Lake of Fire Eternal?

[@unlearnthelies]

For more information about HELL, watch this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2KYh4GJf5dgj9k

[@twodogs716]

TRUTH! And the rapture at the last trumpet, the wrath we escape is the winepress - quake, hail, 7 censers. PERIOD!

[@kingdomconcepts777]

@@twodogs716 It’s resurrection.

[@twodogs716]

@@kingdomconcepts777 When about to sound (2 witnesses +), then as it begins to sound (rapture). No one knows exactly how long in between, because it may not occur in human terms of time. However the BLINK transformation seems to hint that it probably happens immediately following the resurrection.

[@rayner1824]

Dangerous interpretation,

[@SherrickDuncan]

Punishment is forever : Revelation 14:9 9And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If ANYONE worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, AND THEY WILL BE TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND SULFUR IN THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY ANGELS AND IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up FOREVER and EVER, AND THEY HAVE NO REST, DAY OR NIGHT, ALL THOSE WHO WORSHIPPED THE BEAST AND ITS IMAGE, and WHOEVER RECEIVES THE MARK OF ITS NAME.”

[@RapunzelASMR]

I cannot believe how people can think our just God tortures flawed humans in hell forever....I always ask myself: dont they know God? How can they believe such a vile thing about him.

[@jamesleibensperger6489]

This is so important many have left Christian belief , and become atheists , because of this demonic false doctrine!! God does not want anyone to listen to Satan , and be burned up, but turn to Jesus as your Lord, and Saviour!!

[@chucksmith4624]

Oh, I see. Let's change the gospel so people won't be offended. You have a false Jesus.

[@thierryfozing6749]

1 Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

[@Travsvisionchannel]

I agree james. Alot have been scared away but if they only knew.

[@Travsvisionchannel]

​@@thierryfozing6749 😢

[@Vickiehou]

Many refuse to accept Jesus for that.

[@thechampion1918]

At the end of the day none of us should want to go there and find out the hard way lol

[@Thelostdimensions]

I agree

[@jaredcleevy6667]

Who have you talked to that want to go there?

[@JohnnyWalkerBlack142]

@@jaredcleevy6667 Judging by your name it seems you do

[@Giopowered]

We wouldnt. Because ghenna lake of fire is in israel lol

[@3l.a.777]

Right

[@strongbelieveroftheholybible]

Revelation 20:15 And whosever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire 🔥. Lord Jesus Christ is coming soon 🙏🏼❤️🕊Repent, believe in the Gospel, Be Born Again

[@kevinhoward5448]

If one is born again he will love Yeshua by doing Yah's commandments (the Torah).

[@HardKore5250]

not coming

[@wojo9732]

@@kevinhoward5448 How can one know if he is completeing the commandments perfectly?

[@beemrmem3]

He was supposed to come before all his disciples died. It didn’t happen.

[@wojo9732]

@@beemrmem3 Yes he did, he stayed with them and told them what to do before accension.

[@lionsden2835]

Rev_20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

[@lexzenis2544]

thats right!! see also Mark 9:43-48; see also Matthew 5:30. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." In both verses, the word for "worm" literally translates as "maggot" or "grub." Clearly, maggots are associated with death and decay-BUT... What's different about the maggot Christ mentions is that it *"will not die."* eternal torment.

[@VictorFelipe82]

True! The brother in the video is partially right. It's true that wicked humans will be temporarily tormented and then eventually destroyed. But those who will be eternally tormented alive are Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet. God bless.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

You're trying to make the Bible agree with you instead of accepting what it teaches. Rev. 20:10 does not contradict the passages that were posted in the video. In fact, Revelation consistently mentions "the second death". The Bible simply doesn't support the "eternal torment" falsehood.

[@VictorFelipe82]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 That for me?

[@yahsworld2940]

Yes, a certain group in the entire Bible is promised to be tortured in the lake of fire for an indefinite amount of time. But, we need to stay in the confines of what scripture says and reserve that interpretation only to that group it describes(the Beast, the False Prophet, Satan, and those who take the mark of the Beast)

[@rgisSavedbyG]

Amen, Lex ! This is huge really, and so many are confused on this most important belief that doctrinly defins our Heavenly Father's justice& fairness.

[@wranglerxx]

I pray our judgment finds us together forever, all who will call upon His name, keeping His commandments and the faith of Jesus Christ...... Amen

[@mumofgirls9991]

The trouble is that many Christians wrongly say things like “we have an immortal soul and the immortal soul will spend eternity either in hell or heaven” This is clearly wrong because in Genesis 3 22-24 we see that God says the exact opposite and that God actually guards the way to the tree of life so that the unsaved man cannot eat of the tree of life and live forever. Love you brother Lex

[@SGOV86]

I thought the fire was eternal because it was actually prepared for the devil and his angels. The devil and his angels are spiritual beings and spiritual beings do not die. In the book of Revelation it is also written that the devil will be eternal pain in the lake of fire.

[@rebekahrathe9248]

But also Revelation 14:11-12 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Evil humans will also suffer forever…

[@kingdomconcepts777]

@@rebekahrathe9248 No, second death is permanent. The worm will not die in Isaiah 66:24 is a Hebrew idiom for the severity of the punishment. There is no life. Daniel 12:2.

[@JoshStribling]

@@kingdomconcepts777 I would be careful not to conflate "eternal torment" with "everlasting life". Immortality (existing forever) and everlasting life are two very different things. After all, What is "eternal life"? John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." Will the devil and his angels (which are immortal and WILL be tormented day and night for ever and ever), have "eternal life"? No. They will have shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2-4 "2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." Matthew 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." Matthew 25:41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" Mark 9:44, 9:46, & 9:48 "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Note that the beast and false prophet "are" STILL in the lake of fire (prepared for the devil and "his angels", which in the resurrection they "shall be as", some awaking to ever lasting life and others to shame and everlasting contempt) after the 1000 years, and "shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever".

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

​@@JoshStribling - //I would be careful not to conflate "eternal torment" with "everlasting life".// Good. But nobody's doing that. What we're pointing out is that not only are "eternal life" and "eternal punishment" opposites, but that "life" and "punishment" are being contrasted in this passage. THOSE are the opposites. The wicked, according to Matt 3:12, 10:28, and 25:46, will not live, but instead will die by having their body and soul destroyed like chaff is burnt up in an unquenchable fire. //Immortality (existing forever) and everlasting life are two very different things. After all, What is "eternal life"?// No, they're not "very different things". They're not simply identical, but immortality is granted as part of eternal life: immortality means to not die or perish, and it's promised to those who "in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality God will give eternal life" (in other words, eternal life grants all of those things); while the same passage says those who disobey will pay the wrath they've accumulated on the Day of Wrath, and that in the end they will "perish" (notice the distinction between "immortal" meaning unable to die or perish, versus "perish" meaning, well, perish). Notice, however, that immortality is what the righteous "seek" and what they're given. It's NOT what everyone gets regardless of whether they seek it! //John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."// Do you actually think this passage intends to make "eternal life" not mean "eternal" and "life", and instead only make it mean "know Jesus and God"? Surely not. This isn't a redefinition: it's explaining HOW Jesus gave His apostles eternal life (that is, how he granted them the ability to live forever in the resurrection). //Will the devil and his angels (which are immortal and WILL be tormented day and night for ever and ever), have "eternal life"? No. They will have shame and everlasting contempt.// If they're alive now, and they will not die (which is what "immortal" means), it follows that they will continue to live forever. //Daniel 12:2-4 "2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.// Notice that they will awaken to non-everlasting shame, and everlasting contempt. The shame means they will feel that all of their sins are known and judged by the community; and the contempt is what the righteous will feel when they consider the wicked. Notice that the next verse explains how the righteous will pass on this contempt for wickedness, by teaching wisdom. Matthew 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." This specifically applies only to "those who are found worthy to attain to the age to come and the resurrection ... and cannot die anymore, being sons of the resurrection. Matthew 25:41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" And going into the eternal fire doesn't make anyone eternal. Mark 9:44, 9:46, & 9:48 "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." A quotation of Isaiah 66:24 to show that's the place "where" the wicked will be thrown -- into a place where worm and fire devour corpses. But notice what they are -- corpses. Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Even taking this completely literally, it's only about those three figures!

[@onlymyself7225]

this guy is a liar and luke warm false believers will always flock to these ungodly doctrines

[@melleeso2929]

1 Corinthians 15:1-4, the GOSPEL by which we are SAVED, JESUS CHRIST DIED for our SINS was BURIED and ROSE again on the third day!Grace through FAITH.

[@freespiritpearl89]

I rather cease to exist than to be tormented forever.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

@@electraphysics2821 *"...or you could choose Heaven"* Nonsense. People don't choose God. They can't. God chooses them. ✴ _Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News._ (2 Corinthians 4: 4; NLT) ✴ _No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:_ (John 6: 44; KJV)

[@designgazette7177]

​@@electraphysics2821 Heaven is not the eternal destination for those who receive eternal life though. They get new bodies and inherit the new earth.

[@designgazette7177]

@@electraphysics2821 I hear you brother. Although, God doesn't want us to focus on escaping hell, for if the threat of hell is removed, will you still love God? He wants us to focus on His Kingdom, and this Kingdom has already begun. Jesus Christ talked about the Kingdom of God more than anything else in His ministry. And what is this Kingdom? It is written; Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. ..So your goal fellow human is not to escape hell, but to find this Kingdom of God and enter it while still on earth, and you will forever be in it, when God makes it perfect. It's not about dying and going to heaven or hell, but entering the Kingdom here and now. This is what Jesus said; Matthew 21:31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

[@designgazette7177]

@@electraphysics2821 On the contrary, salvation is about eternal life and the salvation from death, not a fear of eternal fire in hell. The gospel was never about heaven and hell. It's about resurrection and death. This is what I was pointing out. Jesus Christ died to save us from death which entered through Adam. Check out the preachings of the apostles and tell me if their focus was on hell. Even Jesus Christ's own focus was on the good news of the Kingdom not eternal fire in hell or the lake of fire. We've made the gospel what it's not. Either way you look at it, the focus was never hell, it's a triviality of human nature based on fear. And if fear is the primary reason men should believe in God, then who will fully believe in a God that is love? Is it not better to tell the unbeliever that the dead will live because God defeated sin and its wages which is death, for those who believe in Him, that they also will raise up on the last day to eternal life. As opposed to preaching eternal burning in fire at the hands of an angry God.

[@gordo191]

Happy Sabbath everyone from Australia

[@SGOV86]

Thank you very much and also a happy Sabbath to you.

[@lauramartin7268]

Happy Sabbath!!!!

[@tiffanyrose3]

Happy Sabbath 😊

[@Pugilist928]

Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.” . . . Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. . . . And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*"And these will go away into eternal punishment...."* And what is that "eternal punishment"? Paul tells us: ✴ _[The unsaved] will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction…._ (2 Thessalonians 1: 9, ESV) *[ _olethron:_ ruin, doom, destruction, death ]

[@3l.a.777]

​@@IsaacNussbaumamen

[@khaled-star]

Yas .semi the qaran

[@biblebill6206]

Right it's eternal punishment which has an end , not eternal punishing which goes on and on .

[@ThemCoversMB]

U said it. The truth will set u free. This truth has set me free in a lot of ways. And put to rest so many questions.

[@ayy_steph6751]

yes! my mind just couldn’t comprehend how anyone could ever deserve infinite and eternal torment. i always felt like The Father has to at some point return them from which they came.

[@lifeonahighway9700]

Cant be set free by heresy

[@ASortedCollection]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for teaching the truth of the Word of our living hope and life-giving Savior!

[@ephemeralenhancement9445]

I've been thinking the same thing! The only thing I think that seems to differ is that some people will be burning and tormented for longer than others rather than being instantly destroyed. Luke 10:12, Matthew 10:15, 11:24, talks of some people getting something more/less tolerable sentences at the judgement. Matthew 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47 all talk of receiving a "greater damnation". Revelation 20 speaks of those being judged for the lake of fire are judged according to their works. This plus those other verses leads me to think that those without the blood of Christ on their account will be given a longer sentence if they have committed more sins. Eventually you'll fully perish, being void, but that's after you receive a greater damnation according to your sins. Of course, this is just what I've put together. I'm not entirely sure about it yet. And honestly, it doesn't really matter. I'm not going to the lake of fire, and it's our job as the children of God to help others not go either.

[@ThemCoversMB]

I actually have a theory that the amount of suffering christ bore on the way to his demise was the maximum intensity for the worst kind of sinner if his sacrifice was substitutionary. I figure he died for even the worst sinner so the intensity he bore may hv been that if that mks sense. It's a theory tho.

[@ephemeralenhancement9445]

@@ThemCoversMB Christ became sin when he was on the cross; and so sin was crucified along with him. But Jesus rose, and sin didn't. So yes, he took the punishment for the worst sins, as he took it for all of them

[@manfredman5075]

No. God takes no pleasure in such a thing as is stated in scripture

[@asmartbajan]

It is not a matter of the length of the punishment, but its intensity. The punishment is eternal.

[@kokalols1322]

I think that is a good theory. It could also be parallel to Christ being tempted in all points, yet without sin. No matter how low or how dark a person could experience, Christ has been through it all so He can sympathize.

[@garryuyahoo]

I came to this conclusion many years ago, after reading Rev 20 where it specifically separates the 2 lakes of fire (or 2 effects of the lake of fire) - Satan and the Beast will be tormented forever, but those whose names are not found in the Book of Life are sent to the second death.

[@asmartbajan]

Why would Jesus say to *fear* the second death (Matthew 10:28) if it was just a matter of ceasing to exist? What's there to fear about ceasing to exist if we wouldn't be aware of anything?

[@rahjahhawaii3991]

I would like to know this answer too

[@lisalisa6821]

@@asmartbajan People feared death as long as humanity existed, how much more should we fear the real death? My sister said there’s nothing more frightening to her than the idea of ceasing to exist

[@asmartbajan]

@@lisalisa6821 Maybe so, but I've seen quite a few atheist online brush it off like death is no big deal.

[@lisalisa6821]

@@asmartbajan Imagine you put them in a box with a certain amount of oxygen, trust me, all of the sudden they will fear death.

[@MrZarewna]

I'm so glad you made video from this topic! I've been trying to convince people to read the bible and understand the truth!

[@MrZarewna]

@@newday3265 There is another way to determine the meaning of the word eternal or everlasting. In English these words mean that the fire will go on forever, but in the Greek it has a different meaning. Dr. Basil Atkinson explains it this way. "When the adjective aionios, meaning everlasting is used in Greek with nouns of action it has reference to the result of the act, not the process. The phrase everlasting punishment is comparable to everlasting redemption and everlasting salvation, both Scriptural phrases. No one supposes that we are being redeemed or saved forever. We were redeemed and saved once for all by Christ with eternal results. In the same way the lost will not be passing through the process of punishment forever but will be punished once and for all with eternal results. On the other hand the noun 'life' is not a noun of action, but a noun expressing a state. Thus life itself is eternal."

[@vincec727]

Plenty of verses explain eternal punishment. Dude just picking certain verses

[@MrZarewna]

@@vincec727 Says the guy picking verses to make his own conclusion. I do the same. You have to understand eternal concept in its original language and context.

[@vincec727]

@@MrZarewna nah. I use many verses. Not just one. I don’t pick one to come to a conclusion

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

​@@vincec727 - I strongly disagree with Basil Atkinson on the meaning of the word "eternal"; in both verses mentioning that in Matt 25 it clearly refers to the permanence of the thing stated, that it will not end. However, you're making an unjustifiable assumption that because the fire and the punishment is eternal, that therefore the punishment consists of torment. In fact Matthew has explained repeatedly, MANY times, that the punishment of the wicked is to be utterly consumed like chaff in an unquenchable fire (Matt 3:12), like tares and causes of stumbling in a furnace (Matt 13:40ff), to be destroyed body and soul (Matt 10:28), and so on. To substitute torment here is to import a claim utterly foreign to the book this verse is in -- not because there's no torment for the wicked (clearly there is torment for them at the end of this present temporal age), but because "eternal punishment" calls out the part of the punishment that's NOT temporal, which is the destruction, utter consumption, and death everywhere else explicitly mentioned.

[@joestar6194]

Thank you for trying to free people from the lie and superstition of eternal conscious torment. Peace be with you god 🙏

[@ericgideon9237]

I used to be big on Universal Salvation. But then I asked "Do I really want to call God's bluff?" I don't think he's bluffing when it comes to the Lake of Fire.

[@four-x-trading5606]

You never ask why God would even create a lake of fire to be tormented in

[@dickyboi4956]

@@four-x-trading5606 watch the video

[@vincec727]

@@four-x-trading5606 Bible explains why

[@four-x-trading5606]

@@vincec727 o so the Bible explaining why makes it right?

[@vincec727]

@@four-x-trading5606 uh, yeah

[@rodneyrather4179]

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. doesn't sound like they are destroyed to me....start teaching the Truth and preach the Gospel so ppl will not suffer this end

[@lexzenis2544]

thats right!! see also Mark 9:43-48; see also Matthew 5:30. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." In both verses, the word for "worm" literally translates as "maggot" or "grub." Clearly, maggots are associated with death and decay-BUT... What's different about the maggot Christ mentions is that it "will not die." eternal torment.

[@prograham2222]

Shalom. I agree. Daniel 12:2….”And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” I took destroy to mean to ruin the structure, organic existence, or condition of something or someone. The Lake of Fire is classified as the second death! So even though you are not actually totally annihilated or eliminated out of existence…..it still is a death! Just like going to prison for life is like a form of death!

[@yahsworld2940]

Whether the teaching is: people are tortured forever or whether they cease to exist forever is not going to steer people away from righteousness. Either of these proposed eternities is grim enough to sober the mind of any unapathetic sinner. At that point, what we need to focus on in teaching is the repentance from dead works unto salvation and the good works in Messiah following salvation.

[@biblebill6206]

Right while those people are living they will keep being punished to get them to change , but once you die you do not suffer forever you go into the lake of fire burn up in minutes then suffer no more .

[@rodneyrather4179]

@@biblebill6206 that’s not what the scripture teaches

[@MarcGlen777]

I've been a Christian some time and have always struggled with the concept of hell and eternal torment or torture. Then I hear this alternative teaching on hell and I wonder if their teachings could be right. And if I'm honest I'm hoping they are. If there is another possible alternative then that would be great news right ? Why would I still want to think people are going to eternal torture when there might be an alternate way of looking at what scriptures are saying, Why would I not rejoice at hearing this. Just because I'm going to heaven, which by the way I didn’t deserve in the first place, I'd still love to hear that there is no one burning and being tortured in hell forever and ever. That they have instead been destroyed and perished, that they are instead no more. If there is any chance of that being truth, then why hold on to such a barbaric view ? I think it would say something about myself if I'd rather hold on to that veiw knowing things might be different. You might even think, do I even care if people burn in hell forever or not. I've heard some rather disturbing things concerning some people's belief in hell, describing in detail visions that they think they've seen. And it always strikes me as if they are obsessed in the things of hell. Do they have irrational fears about such a place ? I do personally believe this all comes from a fear of the unknown Where there is blanks we tend to sometimes fill them in with the most frightening things our minds can imagine.

[@YellowEye25]

Rev 20:10 is written in greek, the expression "forever and ever" is actually "in the ages of the ages" (this might mean a long time or also a spiritual place and time). The vision the writer had about the punishment in hellfire just made he feel it would last for a long time. However, notice: after that the dead will be judged according to their works; since God is just, this means some will burn for more time than others. Notice that then, after the judgement, and I suppose after the end of punishment time, even death will be thrown into the lake of fire, so that nothing may ever die again. Second death after judgement is still a death, and we all know what death means.

[@johndalton1043]

Eternal hell is a false doctrine in my opinion. Adam sinned and was told he would die. Paul says the wages of sin is death. Jesus died for sins. If the substitutionary atonement Jesus paid was eternal hell then He would still be paying that price. It's not that people cannot pull prima facie support for eternal hell. Same for annihilation. It's that these doctrines create one theological pretzel after another. For instance, it is Good News for all people, not a good opportunity for some. Paul says mercy triumphs over judgement. Many Christians believe the exact opposite. David says God's mercy endures for the ages. Does it? Let's look a few alternative voices. John the Baptist called Jesus the Savior of the World. Full stop. There in no concept of a partial Messiah in Judaism. In Judaism the Messiah is cosmic. John said he is the propitiation for our sins and not ours only but the whole world. Luke states all flesh shall see God's salvation. That's very specific. Paul says God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself through Christ not counting men's sins against them. Am I supposed to jettison all these verses? Hopefully I've made one thing very clear, a doctrine of eternal hell does not form a harmonious whole with the text. It can't. The loudest voice in Christian eschatology is by far ultimate reconciliation.

[@scented-leafpelargonium3366]

My Dad always brought up the word "perish" to ministers in churches re hellfire etc but he was always brushed aside. When he brings up Sabbath, as Sunday-keepers, they say, "Oh, not that old chestnut again!" I note that the lake of fire was prepared for the devil and his angels (demons) who are eternal spiritual beings and cannot die a second death in the way that humans will.

[@rebekahrathe9248]

Revelation 14:11-12 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

[@scented-leafpelargonium3366]

@@rebekahrathe9248 Well most Church people BREAK the Commandments of God that you cite by resting on "Sun"-day instead of on the Sabbath of the LORD as clearly detailed in the Fourth Commandment as the SEVENTH DAY i.e. what the Gentiles call "Saturday" after the god Saturn, and their un-commanded 'holy day' "Sun"-day which they invoke on their lips after the worship of the "sun" rather than in honour of the Son, which God, the Bible, Jesus or the apostles NEVER once commanded to do, or even to hold a day in veneration of the resurrection, or His birth. That is hardly the "patience of the saints," when many true saints have been faithful to obey God's Commandments and honour God's Holy Sabbath despite the "Sun"-day dogma of the Gentile denominations who ignore and break His Commandments 52 weeks a year by keeping a counterfeit 'Sabbath' on "Sun"-day, instead pf being on the nartow path of truth and obedience.

[@ForTheLoveOfGodNotOfMen]

@@rebekahrathe9248 I too was hoping He would mention this verse, but it's fine. A few months ago I was looking at this subject. If you take that word "forever/ for ever & and ever" you'll get the Greek Word. aión: a space of time, an age. Usage: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity. To infinity not through infinity. 165 aiṓn (see also the cognate adjective, 166 /aiṓnios, "age-long") - properly, an age (era, "time-span"), characterized by a specific quality (type of existence It really seems to be a space of time, an age or torment. But not forever as we typically explain it. I starting looking into this when I was looking at Gematria coding and kept finding codes about souls being erased or deleted after their punishment is served... Got me thinking... 🤔

[@forwardsdrawkcab]

Psalm 82 tells a different story.

[@forwardsdrawkcab]

Prooftexting eternal torment with the 2 verses of Revelation is the best they can do. They'll have to ignore many many other verses or use a special dictionary to have them mean what they choose to defend.

[@Myself-yh9rr]

If for any reason I am not let into Heaven I thank you in advance Jesus if you simply destroy me and leave no trace or memory of me. I don't mean put me in some other dimension being tortured for eternity. The way I see it God's mercy would be either bringing us closer to him or just outright destroying the ones who can't be with him. This is assuming there are any who can't be with him. His mercy is unlike anything we have seen from even the kindest people on earth. He knows we need him and he wants to bring us to him!!

[@TheKingsComingAlefTav]

Rev 14:11 ULT And the smoke of their torment goes up forever {and} ever, and they have no rest day and night-the ones who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name. THEY HAVE NO NO NO REST FOREVER AND EVER!

[@TheKingsComingAlefTav]

It's bewildering to me that he's not putting the scriptures together that everybody dies and goes to sleep. But then everybody is resurrected Some to everlasting life and some to everlasting punishment when the body is able to be made. Able to withstand these punishments everlasting

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

@@TheKingsComingAlefTav //It's bewildering to me that he's not putting the scriptures together that everybody dies and goes to sleep. But then everybody is resurrected Some to everlasting life and some to everlasting punishment when the body is able to be made. Able to withstand these punishments everlasting// Note that no Biblical passages say the wicked are given a body able to withstand eternal torment. On the contrary, Matt 10:28 says God is able to destroy body and soul in Gehena -- and it says we're to _fear_ that.

[@luluna4911]

so after calling all dead for judgement day and their judgement is to put them all to unconscious state. thats it? like sleeping for ever and ever? just erased them for ever? and that is going to happen to Satan too?@@WilliamTanksleyJr

[@OneHighwayWalker]

There's a reason why Yeshua talks about the fiery furnace where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, and I don't believe He told the parable about the rich man and Lazarus for no reason. There's a place you really don't want to go. There are two kingdoms, and you choose which one you want to be in. The doctrine of annihilism only came about in the 19th century. As one person put it, we owe an infinite debt to an infinitely holy God. If we don't accept His payment on our behalf, then we have to make the payment. How long will it take to pay off an infinite debt? It might be better if we focus on being thankful for His free gift of salvation, obeying Him, and not being lawless, so we don't wind up eternally separated from the One who truly loves and cares for us.

[@kingdomconcepts777]

Luke 16 is about Sheol. The weeping part are people who will not be living in the city. They will have to learn Torah as the surviving mortals do. How can the wicked who are not alive weep? You are confusing different events.

[@kingdomconcepts777]

There is no “infinite debt.” The wicked who don’t repent will simply not live. The Most High is merciful and is not bloodthirsty and demand payment. There is kaphar (covering, purging of sin and cleansing) available for the repentant. Through the priesthood.

[@Randa_T.]

Amen.

[@OneHighwayWalker]

@@kingdomconcepts777 Matthew 18:32-35: "Then his master summoned him and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. And should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’ And in anger his master delivered him to the jailers, until he should pay all his debt. So also My heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.” Psalm 18:25-26: "With the merciful you show yourself merciful; with the blameless man you show yourself blameless; with the purified you show yourself pure; and with the crooked you make yourself seem tortuous." Daniel 12:2: And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

[@Travsvisionchannel]

​@kingdomconcepts777 I mean Bible does say 2nd death. And the verse about destroy both body and soul..

[@thomaskeyton7771]

Thank you for showing people the truth sinners will not attain eternal life so they will not be eternally punished.

[@AtreyuKhalil]

So how will Un repentant mom believing sinners pay for their sins? By simply being destroyed?

[@Damitsall]

Thank you Lex, I love these teachings. I know you have done this one before, but this is one people need to hear. So many people believe fictional works instead of what the BIBLE says.

[@rebekahrathe9248]

Revelation 14:11-12 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Look up both sides and see which one makes more sense. Go off of the FULL Bible not just your feelings and one verse. And don’t judge others who quote verses. You don’t know the strength of their faith.

[@Damitsall]

@@rebekahrathe9248 That's while they are still on Earth. It even talks about the Mark of the Beast which is something that happens, in this life, on Earth.

[@boltingpuppies]

@@Damitsall Revelation 20:10 :And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." The beast and the false prophet are men, still in the lake of fire after the millennial Kingdom.

[@boltingpuppies]

@@electraphysics2821 I have also heard the annihilationists say things like God creating an eternal hell would make God 'immoral' or 'unjust' (which is not even possible since whatever God does is by definition moral and just). They believe the 'eternal conscious torment in hell teaching' is an attack on God's character...and they seem to think they are helping Him out by teaching otherwise. It always reminds me of Peter's response to Jesus when he said to Jesus 'may it never be' in regard to Jesus dying. Jesus rebuked Peter, because Peter's mind was on the things of men and not on the things of God. God knew better than Peter what needed to happen.

[@boltingpuppies]

@@electraphysics2821 ?

[@dmurphy6503]

Amen brother thank you for sharing God's word. Malachi 4:1-3 says the wicked shall be burnt up and the one's that fear God shall tread on the ashes of the wicked. If the fire is eternal how can we tread on the ashes

[@SherrickDuncan]

Punishment is forever : Revelation 14:9 9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If ANYONE worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, AND THEY WILL BE TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND SULFUR IN THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY ANGELS AND IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up FOREVER and EVER, AND THEY HAVE NO REST, DAY OR NIGHT, ALL THOSE WHO WORSHIPPED THE BEAST AND ITS IMAGE, and WHOEVER RECEIVES THE MARK OF ITS NAME.”

[@jaredcleevy6667]

​@@SherrickDuncan so will the saints also watch the torture of the unsaved forever? Are you okay with that? How will you be happy and enjoy heaven while watching people you love being burned?

[@SherrickDuncan]

@@jaredcleevy6667 yes they will and that is exactly what The Bible says they will do. It says we will even smell the smoke of their burning forever and it will smell to us like incense. Yes I am okay with Gods word. With everything that it says. And yes I am okay with the wicked burning forever while I am aware of it. It is like asking Me if Jeffrey Dahmer were My son would I be okay with His execution. I would not only be okay with it. I would gladly be his executioner. Love is justice and justice is love ESPECIALLY if the receiver of justice was offered mercy and refused it.

[@SherrickDuncan]

@@jaredcleevy6667 the only relevant question is do you belive God in this verse or don't you? Revelation 14:9 9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If ANYONE worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 those people will all also drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger. AND THEY WILL BE TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND SULFUR IN THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY ANGELS AND IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB. 11 And the smoke of THEIR TORMENT goes up FOREVER and EVER, AND THEY WILL HAVE NO REST, DAY OR NIGHT, ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WORSHIPPED THE BEAST AND ITS IMAGE, and WHOEVER RECEIVES THE MARK OF ITS NAME.”

[@jaredcleevy6667]

@@SherrickDuncan well I think your a sick human being

[@branlan895]

can you guys pray for my aunt she needs a liver transplant, shes not doing so good. God bless.

[@reignellwalker9755]

Is she ok? Praying for you and your family

[@firstonesaved]

11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name

[@onlymyself7225]

for ever and ever means something else for this guy , he just makes up what ever fairy tale he wants . Tell him the sky is blue ....."well you see its not really blue , if you look at blue in the greek , it had a combination of colors , in this verse here blue meant something else" these guys are embarassing , liars .

[@AuthorPaulGDay]

I have always believed this. Preaching a burning hellfire without end is one of the main reasons many turn away from God. Preachers who teach this are ignorant about God and both his rewards and punishments. They need to carefully and honestly study scripture instead of proclaiming their false gospels and incorrect teachings.

[@returntoyehovahthelord6185]

This is also how I’ve believed for a long time. You did a good job laying out the verses. Nicely done. 👏👏

[@onlymyself7225]

this guys lying to you , you think paul would tell you to pluck out your own eye over sin if you cease to exist? you think sinners can pay for their sin with their own life all of a sudden? it is eternal because they are eternal beings , we all are , it is eternal because you can NOT pay the debt , only Jesus can , it would be like me saying you owe me infinite dollars , you would then be working for me , forever ... this is not complicated , this is not spoken in parables and mysteries , you need to seek God and stop letting these wicked liars tell you fairy tales , forever and ever means just that , everlasting means just that , eternal means just that , stop letting them make up tales about what it "really means" .....you're not an idiot , plain speech does not need a genius to interpret , stop living in sin if you are and thats why you like this doctrine , obey Jesus , repent , be baptized , follow Christ until the end , this doctrine is a lie and it is exactly what atheists want , you think Gods giving wicked sinners the very desire of their heart? snap out of it , shake the spell off , this is ridiculous...

[@BeerDrinker574]

@@onlymyself7225I remember being approached by an evangelical like yourself, bugged my guys at the jobsite saying you’re all sinners, repent. I said yes, Christ is my king, but if you keep this up? Wanna meet him today? He walked away quick.

[@chrismokvack]

I agree, the vast majority of scripute is crystal clear that the penalty of sin is death/destruction and that only those who are saved by faith in Christ will have eternal life. But could you please explain revelation 14.11 and revelation 20.10, as these scriptures seem to suggest there is indeed eternal suffering, at the very least for the "unholy trinity"?

[@marck5846]

Pls somone explain...

[@tiredofmedialying]

revelation 20.10 does seem to contradict what he is saying. But maybe that verse is just for the angels? revelation 14.11 says no rest day or night. Smoke of torment means what? No rest here on earth perhaps? I don't know. I think one point it talks about in the presence of the Angels which Angels?

[@chazfaz3595]

It does describe an eternal suffering in the like of fire; not destruction from it. But it says that about those who take the mark of the beast.

[@CourtJustCourt]

THANK YOU!!! Its so irritating that this misconception is taught as truth to so many believers and non-believers. The bible in no way shape or form supports the idea of eternal suffering. God would NEVER use FEAR as a driving force for genuine love. Love me or be tortured forever is not biblical!

[@IsaacNussbaum]

If God intends eternal conscious torment, warnings ought to be in the Scriptures plainly and often, don't you agree? But the O.T. does not mention eternal conscious torment. And it is just vaguely hinted at in a half-dozen N.T. verses. Why is that?

[@SteamDougy]

that is exactly right. ETERNAL suffering equals ETERNAL life! It has really upset me to think God the Father would create beings KNOWING they would reject Him and then condemn them to eternal suffering for doing so. I see no justice in that. Then again who am I to question God? I question the interpretations that say there will be eternal suffering. I can see how that would be the takeaway... but come on.

[@TheScriptureTruth]

Excellent message Lex. So many people have a misunderstanding of "etrnal fire" and it gives them a wrong impression of the character of God. How many people have rejected God because "no just God would torment people in fire forever?" These peopel reject God because of a false teaching. God is perfectly just and perfectly merciful. The wicked will be destroyed forever (second death) and the eternal fire means the JUDGMENT is eternal (the wicked will never live again).

[@gospelcawfeethoughts9925]

So they get away with their sins against God by simply being annihilated? Yeah no. If that’s the case then, God is not just. God will by no means clear the guilty. Also, look at the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. He was being tormented day and night in the fire.

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

​@@gospelcawfeethoughts9925 Being annihilated for your sins is not "getting away with them." The death penalty is the MOST severe penalty possible, not the least!!! Nothing about the story of the rich man hints that he was being tormented day and night. All it says is that he lifted up his eyes (woke up perhaps?) and began conversing with Abraham about the place of torment he found himself in. Then the story ends. Does this mean the torment went on? Hard to say. Does it mean the conversation with Abraham went on? Hard to say. There's no reason to speculate, because we don't know; we should take the warning and repent, but keep in mind that anyone who won't repent when they hear the Law and the Prophets also won't repent when they hear that story.

[@onlymyself7225]

this guys lying to you , you think paul would tell you to pluck out your own eye over sin if you cease to exist? you think sinners can pay for their sin with their own life all of a sudden? it is eternal because they are eternal beings , we all are , it is eternal because you can NOT pay the debt , only Jesus can , it would be like me saying you owe me infinite dollars , you would then be working for me , forever ... this is not complicated , this is not spoken in parables and mysteries , you need to seek God and stop letting these wicked liars tell you fairy tales , forever and ever means just that , everlasting means just that , eternal means just that , stop letting them make up tales about what it "really means" .....you're not an idiot , plain speech does not need a genius to interpret , stop living in sin if you are and thats why you like this doctrine , obey Jesus , repent , be baptized , follow Christ until the end , this doctrine is a lie and it is exactly what atheists want , you think Gods giving wicked sinners the very desire of their heart? snap out of it , shake the spell off , this is ridiculous...

[@freespiritpearl89]

I think people who will cease to exist should live this life in luxury sense they won't exist anymore. It would be sad if someone is tormented in this life and ceases to exist after, it is like they didn't even have a chance to feel happiness. If you get what I mean. I hope God is good like they say he is.

[@Heaven_Bound]

Such a simple and understandable explanation, God bless you. 👍🏼🙏🏼

[@DeeProverbs]

Read revelations 20: 10-15, tell me what you think if you have time.

[@Hypnotoad206]

@@DeeProverbs the devil is a fallen angel. He still has an angelic body that can survive the lake of fire. But humans cannot

[@Hypnotoad206]

@@newday3265 look up the Greek definition of “contempt” in that verse. Because it isn’t torment

[@Hypnotoad206]

@@newday3265 did you watch the video? Yes the punishment is eternal. But what is the punishment? DEATH…. not torment

[@boltingpuppies]

@Hypnoad206 The beast and false prophet are both human beings. They are thrown alive into the lake of fire at Yeshua's second coming. They are still there after a thousand years later when Satan is thrown in. They didn't cease to exist. Revelation 19:20 and 20:2-3, 7, 10 "And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.... And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time. ... When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, ... And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, *where the beast and the false prophet ARE also **_and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."_* Two humans thrown alive into the lake of fire (second death). They are *still there* over a thousand years later. We are told they _will be_ (future tense continuing after Satan is also added to the mix) tormented *day and night* ...and just to make it crystal clear the words 'forever and ever' are added on after that. Two humans along with a fallen angel, in the lake of fire being tormented day and night forever and ever. This goes along with the warning we are given in chapter 14 about those who take the mark of the beast and worship his image. Revelation 14:9-11 "...If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, *HE ALSO* will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." *HE ALSO* will drink the wine of the wrath of God which is mixed FULL STRENGTH... And just to make sure we don't take away from this warning we are warned again: Revelation 22:18-19 "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; *and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy,* God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, *which are written in this book"*

[@georgeforyan113]

I believe the message of this man as I feel he is telling us biblical truth about hell. I have spoken to many on this subject and have explained about the same way he teaches. But when I explain my position about hell and use many scripture to back up that hell is not a punishing or torment that last forever while we are alive enduring this pain. All I got in response was that it is just my opinion and do nothing to search scripture to validate my stance on this subject. So, now I just remain silent on this subject and let it be because no one will listen and will still accept the fact that hell is an eternal punishing that last forever. Tell a falsehood long enough and it will be made into a truth that will never be changed until Christ returns and sets the message straight

[@NADI-MICAH777]

REVELATION 14:11 AND THE SMOKE OF THEIR TORMENT SHALL RISE UP FOREVER AND EVER, AND THEY SHALL HAVE NO REST DAY OR NIGHT.. SOUNDS LIKE ETERNAL TORMENT TO ME..

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

I'm sure it does, and I think that was intentional. But notice that "the beast had 7 heads" sure sounds like it's not human -- but I doubt you stop with that "sounds like" conclusion, right? When you read that passage, and the whole book, more closely you find that "smoke rises forever" is INTERPRETED to mean the complete and permanent destruction of the thing by means of torment, compare Rev 19:2 to Rev 17's end plus Rev 18 as a whole (really, those verses should have been a single chapter). Likewise, "day and night they have no rest" in Rev 4:8 is the only other appearance in this book of those Greek words -- so on closer examination that phrase here refers to the ones worshiping having no rest (when they're worshiping the beast). And finally, "if anyone worships ... he himself will be tormented" sets the time of the sin and the punishment as present sin/future torment. But "the smoke of their torment GOES up" is present tense - it begins at the same time as the "if anyone worships" happens. The same for "the ones worshiping have no rest," it's present tense. (Notice that some paraphrases change the tenses here, be sure to check a reliably close translation.) This passage as a whole is about the beast-worshipers giving unceasing worship to the beast even while the announcement of their tormenting punishment is being proclaimed (i.e. the smoke of their torment going up even in the present age while they're worshiping). It also depicts their corporate sin in, as a community, worshiping the beast in the same manner as the heavenly worship that ought to be given to God. It's centered on the future certainty of their torment -- but that future torment, unlike the smoke from it, isn't eternal.

[@bakatobijuu]

@@WilliamTanksleyJr TRUEEEEE

[@gregstone869]

I am humbly making a comment to your comment. I know what you are saying I've already been around the track on what you are saying. But if you read what you have wrote, again, it could be talking about the false prophet the devil and the angels and not the unbelievers

[@gregstone869]

I have stumbled on the same concept in the Bible and have tried to search for the truth of what I found by telling other people, but all I got was rejection. You are the closest person that has mentioned what has been on my heart for years about who the Eternal fire is really reserved for. But I'll tell you this, I choose eternal life, I choose jesus.

[@Sir.reginald.no1]

It's a poor translation. The word that got translated to forever from Greek doesn't meen forever it meens for an age.

[@nevillecampbell2163]

The smoke of their torment will go up forever,Some to everlasting torment.Daniel

[@divinenatureonline]

Naww I think this is a play on words. Life and death are both eternal existence. There's eternal darkness and eternal punishment forever. I think that's what is bared out in scripture. "It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God" has to mean a lot more than any earthly judgement/punishment that men can inflict upon men.

[@jamclancy9335]

Many are headed to hell, right? If hell is eternal or endless & majority of mankind is headed there, then isn't that human existence is a very very huge tragedy? If the wicked are tortured for all eternity in hell, would that speak of a loving & merciful God?

[@Noemie291]

I guess that's the game. And I lost. Game over for me. I lost my soul so there is nothing left to be saved.

[@irnarcticA]

@@Noemie291 That's not true you can always come back to God through repentance and prayer. I hope you are doing well

[@jacobmetts2668]

As much as I dont want to believe there is an eternal lake of fire, it is in the scriptures, so we must take God at his word!

[@franciscafazzo3460]

Did you learn anything from the video or just you just spout off whatever you feel

[@jacobmetts2668]

​@@franciscafazzo3460Rev 20:10 kjv

[@micah6811]

@@franciscafazzo3460 Rex is a fallible human being!

[@ElijahRees]

yeah did you not watch the video sir? or are you just mindlessly commenting?

[@AtreyuKhalil]

@@franciscafazzo3460what do you mean learn from the video? 😂 we read the Bible, are you saying this video is superior to the word of God? Can you tell me who Jesus was talking to in Matthew 25:41? “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:” Who is Jesus saying he will tell to depart from him into everlasting fire?🤔🤔 are you going to believe Jesus or this channel you are subscribed to?

[@Workmanshipnow]

“where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.” Mark‬ ‭9‬:‭44‬ ‭KJV

[@BeerDrinker574]

Spoke about Gehenna, a valley outside of Jerusalem where bodies were piled and burnt continuously, and the maggots ate whatever the fire didn’t consume, that’s why the worm never died

[@curiouskittenn]

I think that is a just/good kind God who will let the evil ones not exist instead of torturing them forever

[@mikewaddell8814]

God spoke to me if its possible i do not know the believers DNA 🧬 residents in living descendents who do believe and they are all spiritually connected the god of all mercy and understanding releasing miss guided ❤his mercy and love mercy and love may save us❤ glorious god

[@Elisheva2020]

Thank you for this video Mr. Lex. I take great joy in watching your channel but I must admit that this teaching/doctrine is new to me..... I am not going to just discard it but I am indeed going to search the scriptures and ask the Holy Spirit to guide me through His word into the exact truth. I always learn something new and I praise my Saviour that I have the privilege of having the indwelling Spirit in me to guide and teach me the truth. May God bless you and I sent greetings all the way from South Africa!

[@omearica-rc6fp]

I'm with you. Picking and choosing here just like the Vatican and today's progressive liberals. I think this is a dangerous teaching.

[@thelionofjudah77u82]

@@newday3265 Everlasting contempt doesn't necessarily mean eternal torture. John 3:16 says either believe in Jesus and have eternal life or perish. The word perish means to die suddenly or quickly. Jesus says not to fear those who can destroy the body only but him that can destroy body and soul. If you're destroyed or perished how can you be tortured eternally?

[@Randa_T.]

@@newday3265 Amen.

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

@@newday3265 - //It's as clear as it can get// No, "they will be tormented forever" would be "as clear as you can get." It's seriously absurd that you reject the plain meaning of Matt 10:28, that the fearsome thing about gehenna is God's power to destroy body and soul, in favor of indirect allusions that you interpret in clearly stretched ways. No, that the maggots are immortal doesn't mean the corpses are alive (they're CORPSES!). That the fire is eternal doesn't mean the people will be (not if they're destroyed body and soul by it!). That Satan will be tormented forever doesn't mean that death, Hades, and the people won't die the second death.

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

@@newday3265 - well, yes. But imagine talking to someone who thought that "their worm will not die " meant "eternal torment."

[@ronymanuel507]

The lake of fire won’t be everlasting…. That would not reflect the Mercy of Elohim.

[@ronymanuel507]

@@electraphysics2821 Yeshua did not even mentioned the word “hell”, but Sheol…. And He compared the Day of Yahweh with a place called Gehenna. In the book of Ezekiel 28:18 you can read what will happen to Satan. Shalom!

[@charlesh6175]

Take a look at the following verses: Matthew 25:31-46 (Emphasis on Verse 41) “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels…” Next verse indicates it’s eternal: Revelation 14:9-11 “And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” “When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word at its primary, ordinary, usual, and literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, clearly indicate otherwise.” David L. Cooper, The God of Israel (Los Angeles: Biblical Research Society, 1945), iii.

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

First: the plain sense of "eternal punishment" is not answered until you can answer "what is the punishment for sin?" Matthew as a whole gives the answer many times before Matt 25:46 -- for example, Matt 3:12, Matt 10:28, Matt 13:40ff. All of those agree the punishment is a painful time leading to complete destruction, like chaff burnt in unquenchable fire. Second: do you actually follow your own advice? What's the "plain sense" of Matt 10:28? Do YOU believe the fearsome thing about Gehenna is God's ability to destroy body and soul, or do you make some kind of excuse that "destroy" doesn't mean to actually destroy? So also with Rev 14:9-11. There's no call to take "plain sense" in a book that speaks of a man as having 7 heads that are 7 hills and 7 kings; it's clearly symbolic. But EVEN IF you insist on "plain sense" there, you still don't get the eternal torment of anyone except those people who are living on the earth at the end of this age. Why do you feel the call to _assume_ that what's said only of them applies to literally everyone ELSE from Adam to the little grandma across the street? This verse simply cannot mean what it does not SAY!

[@tkcdac]

@@WilliamTanksleyJr wow, great verses and logic. Little heavy handed but well laid out.

[@viktorshneyder1018]

11And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

[@manassehaliyahtv]

Shabbat Shalom Rabbi Lex watching from Philippines 🇵🇭🙏❤️

[@XenogearsPS]

thank god. I no longer have to continue existing after death.

[@georgeaguilar6996]

What about Revelations 14:11....And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” (Revelation 14:11) Forever and ever....

[@kingdomconcepts777]

He already explained. Listen. It explains the severity of the punishment. Don’t hyper literalise text.

[@jeffreyfurtado3681]

For people who take the identification mark aka mark of the beast. In the right hand or forehead they will join the devil and his angels.

[@Pradeep2222-s9z]

Dear brothers,eternal hell is real and forever,God please guide them to truth

[@bklynrizz714]

Thank you Lex for arousing my curiosity to dig deeper into the word of God. I enjoy your teaching’s and am reading for the second time your book. Please explain Revelation 14:10-11. Thanks.

[@MrZarewna]

One key point is to realize that the torment of their SMOKE will ascend forever and ever. The passage does NOT say that THE WICKED will be tormented forever and ever. Rather, the wicked will be burnt up in fiery plagues, and it is their smoke - evidence that the fire has done its work - which ascends forever and ever. Smoke results from something burned. This indicates that they were consumed, and that all that remains is smoke. We also read in Malachi 4:3 that the ASHES of the wicked will be under the feet of the righteous. Psalm 37:20 tells us that the wicked shall “perish” - “into smoke they shall vanish away.” It is not the punishment of the fire, but the result of that punishment, which is being addressed in Revelation 14:11.

[@levjsongs]

I see one of two possible thoughts on those verses. First, it is possible that one exception to sinners being destroyed are the ones that worshiped the antichrist and got the mark of the beast. Perhaps they do suffer eternally with the fallen angels. The second possible way to read that is its the smoke that goes up eternally long after the souls have been destroyed.

[@hyramchepoofniac8121]

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. the Holy Spirit speaks through Peter speaks of those who "wrest ..the ..scriptures unto their own destruction" (*2 Peter 3:16). This 'teacher' is an heretic.

[@levjsongs]

@@gustavmahler1466 It clearly states in the later part of verse 11 that the text is talking about more than just the devil.

[@levjsongs]

@@newday3265 Wendy, I feel like we are talking past each other and I am not sure what your point is. Please specify thanks.

[@oceanelf2512]

I hope you're right. There was a video I watched a few days ago that said people would be "destroyed" not "annihilated" in that fire. He then gave the example of the old wine skin which new wine was poured into, which "destroyed" the skin, but didn't "annihilate" it. Meaning the skin still existed, but was useless. That was there case for people burning forever in hell. It doesn't make any sense to me that God would allow people to suffer an eternity. Hell is cruel anyway. But the idea of people burning forever without actually dying - I can't think of anything more sadistic. I wish hell did not exist. I understand why it was created, but wouldn't wish it on anyone, and hope no one I have ever cared about, ever thought about,, ever met in any sense of the word and beyond, ever ends up there.

[@FredaL7]

Just discovered this channel so happy. God has blessed you with great understanding

[@YeshuasTrueWay]

The "Lake of Fire" is eternal That which is consumed by it Is not !

[@rynokotze125]

Please explain Revelation 20:10,"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelation 20:10 NASB2020"

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

Short answer: it's only saying 3 figures are seen as tormented forever. Everyone else thrown into the lake of fire is interpreted to die the second death - and for death, that means "death is no more."

[@boltingpuppies]

It means exactly what it says. At the end of chapter 19 we see two humans (the beast and the false prophet) thrown alive into the lake of fire. In chapter 20 we see that after a thousand years _they are still there_ and will continue to be tormented day and night. And just to make sure we understand that this torment is ongoing He adds the words 'forever and ever'. Some people believe what God wrote in the Revelation and some people don't. God goes on to warn us in chapter 22 not to take away from anything written in this particular book. Yet on this thread I see a lot of people taking away from the words of this particular book in chapters 14 and 20. They say the other scriptures (not in this book) say something different. They don't. But regardless, we are warned not to take away from the words of *this book* in particular...chapters 14 and 20 are pretty clear. God bless.

[@user-yv2bd7qm4p]

Very interesting and educational video! Many Christians today who never took a philosophy class, still, at the end of the day, defend PLATO. His ideas about eternal souls being punished eternally preceded the writing of the New Testament by centuries. Also, Plato lived centuries before Jesus (Yeshua) appeared. Hellenization embedded his ideas in Jewish and Gentile "apocryphal" writings before the New Testament was written. Many of his ancient Greek ideas still persist, as many Christians do not pay enough attention to the Jewish context (as well as Greek and Roman) of the Bible. Plato's ideas about the soul and afterlife are often erroneously defended as early Christian thought.

[@christ.4977]

Spot on.

[@galanbrown]

Excellent truth revealed!

[@gabakusa]

And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

[@kingdomconcepts777]

That is describing Sheol. Not Gehenna (lake of fire). The phrase “fire burning tongue” is an idiomatic expression of the wicked person in deep mental anguish awaiting Gehenna.

[@lollolliii]

@@kingdomconcepts777 please can you describe the concept of Sheol, Gehenna to me? Because as far as I know Sheol is where the dead come...what is Gehenna? Is this the lake of fire? Who will go there?

[@dennisdabney4039]

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

[@alexg2083]

Just recently found in the book of esdras 2 chapter 7 starting in verse 36 goes more info the afterlife and what to expect. I believe many will perish but it won't be everlasting fire as many modern day Christians believe. Read it for yourself.

[@kiere55]

This is a parable and not a literal situtation...

[@csabasaghegyi6083]

End can be only this world that has time. The world above this world is eternity without any time. I can't believe that a spiritual form dies out of this world.

[@jasonelliott1722]

What is the meaning of Revelation 14:10-11, "...and they have no rest day nor night..." if someday they will rest by perishing? Also, Mark 14:21 seems to indicate that it would have been better if Judas had never been born. If this is the case it appears that annihilation is not the end state otherwise before birth would be the same state as after death. What does Mark 9:44 mean when it says that "their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched"? Thanks!

[@ygkr6437]

There is no annihilation cause spirits do not die. Yes humans are spirit beings. The body we have is just a shell. It's of this Earth. It will eventually go back into the Earth. This is death. However the soul/spirit is eternal. It doesn't die.

[@boltingpuppies]

Excellent point about Judas. Well said.

[@jasonelliott1722]

@@boltingpuppies Thank you!

[@sandrabutler777]

Hi Jason. The Bible takes place within us. The ones that have no rest are the ones that have not done the works. We have six (metaphorical) days of (spiritual/internal) works to perform. If we complete these works, we enter God's rest. The instruction for these works are in the first six churches. The message of the seventh church is for those that have skipped over these works, which is EVERY Christian that follows the teachings of Paul instead of the teachings of Jesus. Judas symbolizes our Iniquity (he bought a field with the reward of iniquity). Jesus symbolizes the Truth that has been crucified in our heart because of this iniquity. Jesus didn't die for (in place of) our sins/iniquities (as religion teaches). Jesus died for (because of) our sins/iniquities.

[@freeing_truth]

Matthew 25:4: "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the EVERLASTING fire prepared for the devil and his angels..."

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*"...into the EVERLASTING fire prepared for the devil and his angels..."* Yes. And what will that everlasting fire do? Thankfully, we don't have to guess. Here is how Paul explained it to the church at Thessalonica. 🔥 [the unsaved] shall be punished with everlasting destruction…. (2 Thess. 1: 9)

[@boltingpuppies]

@@IsaacNussbaum 'Destruction' is the Greek word 'olethros' which doesn't _just_ mean destruction (which some people on this thread are indicating) rather it means: ruin, death, destruction, punishment. The unsaved will suffer eternal 'death', eternal 'punishment' which is eternal 'destruction' or 'ruin' because you're never getting out. The lake of fire is the second death. It is eternal fire. The unsaved will suffer eternal 'punishment' or eternal 'death'. The lake of fire is the second death. God is so clear about this in Revelation 14 and 20 and then warns us again in chapter 22 about taking away from the words of the prophecy in the book of Revelation specifically. Things are going to be so bad in the near future some will decide to take the mark because they will just be 'annihilated' if they do. This annihilation doctrine is what every atheist already believes...death is just ceasing to exist.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

@@boltingpuppies Thank you for sharing your thoughts, B. P. Can I get your take on what "destruction" means in Psalms 92: 7? ✴ _that though the wicked sprout like grass and all evildoers flourish, they are doomed to destruction forever;_ (ESV)

[@johnbroman7134]

Makes sense!! I know 119 ministries teaches the same thing. Thanks

[@SpiritLevel888]

*"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING fire, prepared for the devil and his angels...."* "And these shall go away into EVERLASTING punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." *"and the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night FOR EVER AND EVER."*

[@IsaacNussbaum]

I apologize for my last post. It was not helpful. Let me try again. Many preachers teach that the "everlasting punishment" in Matthew 25: 46 is eternal conscious torment. I don't know where they get that idea because the Bible says something very different. Here is how Paul explained it to the church at Thessalonica. 🔥 _…when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction…._ (2 Thessalonians 1: 7-9, KJV) What will the "everlasting punishment" be? It will be "everlasting destruction."

[@Maxdickus]

So we get the idea of hell from the English words. Not the Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic. The term in corrected translation says shall be punished for an age. "Aionos" where we get eon. Or the age to come

[@mlp1211]

Lake of fire is eternal just like Heaven is eternal.

[@TheScriptureTruth]

It is eternal for the devil and his evil angels, but it is NOT eternal torment for humans. In fact, the Lake of Fire was created for the devil and not for humans (Matthew 25:41)

[@kingdomconcepts777]

@Earthquake1964 One must have faithfulness or fidelity to the Most High’s everlasting covenant. Keep the Torah commandments pf the covenant and you will live (everlasting life). Don’t keep it, everlasting death. Daniel 12:2.

[@cryptojihadi265]

Soooo a fire that is so powerful it burns for eternity, doesn't actually burn anything up? The length of a fire has nothing to do with how long it takes to burn something up. Throw a piece of paper in a campfire and I guaranty it won't last as long as the fire itself. The twisted logic needed to defend such a horrific doctrine is pretty obvious. Read the Bible for what it actually says. Death, destruction, consumed, no more and perish are all used to describe the fate of the wicked. You literally have to claim all those words mean the exact opposite of their actual definition to argue this awful doctrine.

[@viktorshneyder1018]

“If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

[@giftsofYAH76]

The Hebrew word olam (EVERLASTING, FOREVER) means “.” El Olam thus reveals God as “the Everlasting God,” without beginning or end. Mirriam Webster dictionary- EVERLASTING - : eternal. 2a(1) : continuing for a long time or indefinitely. Random House Websters College Dictionary (2001) lists "eternal" as a synonym for everlasting. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language 3rd edition (1992) lists "everlasting" as a synonym for eternal. My Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 10th Edition (1996) lists each word as a synonym for the other.

[@holzmann-]

The Lake of Fire is just as eternal as eternal life is.

[@CodyBuchanan700]

No it is not

[@boltingpuppies]

You are correct lw97nilslinuswhitewaterweb23. Jesus warned us by saying it is better to enter life maimed (without a hand, foot or eye) than to enter *eternal fire.* They can't say the fire isn't eternal (because Jesus is very clear the fire is eternal and not quenched) so instead they say those going into the eternal fire are not eternal. Yet we already know from 1 Corinthians 15 that as in Adam ALL die so in Christ ALL will be made alive (all people, both believers and unbelievers). Everyone will be raised/resurrected in their own order: Christ the first fruits, then those who belong to Christ at his second coming, then those in the final resurrection/Great White Throne Judgment. We will ALL be resurrected (body and soul reunited). We will all be destined for either eternal life or eternal punishment (lake of fire which is the second death). There will be weeping (soul) and gnashing of teeth (body) in that place.

[@MatthewAranda-q6k]

And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. According to your belief it would give people an excuse to continue sinning since there is no accountability since one will eventually be annihilated. That’s what the Jehovahs believe.

[@willowapodosis4661]

The worm never dies...but the person just sleeps. How relieved I am now. Do whatever you want. How cool.

[@kingdomconcepts777]

Isaiah 66:24 is a Hebrew idiomatic expression for the severity of Gehenna.

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

The Bible doesn't call that "sleep"; it calls it "to perish", and accounts it the worst thing that can happen. If a living person got everything taken away, they could at least have their own life; but if a person has their life taken, they would give up anything to keep it, but what CAN you give in return for your life? This is exactly what Jesus warns those who want to follow Him in Mark 8:34-38 -- that if you prefer your life to Christ, you'll lose your life in the final judgment, while if you prefer Christ to your life, you'll gain your life then (i.e. in the resurrection of life).

[@kingdomconcepts777]

@@WilliamTanksleyJr Death is absence of life. The wicked will not ever live again. Hence second death. Which is opposite of eternal life. This is in the Hebrew Bible.

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

@@kingdomconcepts777 - amen; none of us deserve to live forever, and only by coming to Christ in faith can we live forever, and never die.

[@kingdomconcepts777]

@@WilliamTanksleyJr Not true, we definitely deserve to live. Why else are we here? That’s such a ridiculous anti life statement. We have all been given life by the life maker. We are to do what is right according to the Most High.

[@G3O.On3]

Try telling a "Christian" this and they think you are being brainwashed 🤣 even if you try to read it to them from The Bible

[@cameronstolhand7149]

That is so true.

[@rebekahrathe9248]

Have you read the New Testament?? Matthew 5:30 Mark 9:43-48 Revelation 5:20 All these verses imply that torment at some point will be eternal. When Jesus died and rose again people could finally get into heaven because their sins could be fully paid for. This was when the Kingdom of heaven was revealed to man. After His resurrection the period of the last days started. Judgment is now happening, and those who don’t believe are being punished. After Jesus rose, judgement could start. Enoch, Ezra, and Lazarus were all looking at souls before this event.

[@kingdomconcepts777]

Twistians is what I describe people who refuse to learn.

[@kingdomconcepts777]

@@rebekahrathe9248 Have you? Explain Daniel 12:2, Isaiah 66:24.

[@cameronstolhand7149]

@@kingdomconcepts777 That's interesting that you refer to yourself as a "Twistian" Daniel 12:2 and Isaiah 66:24 mean that there is no way out of it. Everlasting contempt means no forgiveness or Do Overs. The worm that eats and will not die with a fire that burns not to be quenched means you are absolutely doomed with no way out. You are not going to survive the Fire or the worms because the worms are plentiful and so is the fire. I see this as telling us about an everlasting death of which There Is no escape ever because you would be completely dead and you see this as telling us about an everlasting life with torture and if that is so then why is this referred to as the second death in Revelation 20:6? Also why are worms needed in Isaiah 66:24 if they are still living because worms only eat dead flesh

[@STREEEEEET]

I love Lex.

[@tracyrichardson3010]

Thank you. Perishing is eternal and it is punishment. An important detail is the unforgivable sin. Someone who has received an eternal spirit (born again) yet walks away from God (by choice/free will), now face eternal torture in the lake of fire.

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

Unlikely, Tracy -- that passage doesn't say anything about torment, it says such people "will never be forgiven, neither in this age nor in the [eternal] age to come."

[@maxamahnken7325]

No ---- eternal ---- death.

[@mennonitemoto5941]

The unforgivable sin is found in Matthew I believe...Jesus said those who blaspheme the spirit will have no forgiveness, it's very clear

[@hopefulvoyage]

Why does it say that the devil and the false prophet will be TORMENTED day and night forever and ever? The fact that they are being tormented pre-supposes that they are conscious of their torment. It further states that those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life will be cast into the Lake of Fire. It sounds like they all are being consciously tormented. Admittedly, I dont like it either. But it does seem to imply this.

[@Caleb1618]

Thank you for spreading Truth brother. God be with you.

[@vanessaford7406]

Thank you for this message...6/28/2024.

[@ace1007]

Bible shows to be perpetual Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented Day and Night for ever and ever

[@GiuseppeFicalors]

Weeping and gnashing of teeth sounds like torment to me.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*"Weeping and gnashing of teeth sounds like torment to me."* That is what many preachers say but the word "gnashing" refers to anger, not pain. Moreover, the phrase “gnashing of teeth” appears seven times in the Scriptures. None of those seven times suggests that the gnashing will extend into eternity. (Matthew 8: 12, 13: 42, 13: 50, 22: 13, 24: 51, 25: 30, Luke 13: 28)

[@biblebill6206]

While people are alive not after death .

[@omearica-rc6fp]

Your argument works, as I see it, only if you do what the left does and redefine the word "destroy" to mean non-existence. The left and Catholics do the same thing. I believe we continue to exist in one of two conditions based on the same scriptures you used (prejudicially it seems, at least) one is life, and the other is death. "The fire is eternal because once you go there, there is no coming back from it." It is eternal because it is self-generated by those in that eternal state. Ya know... there's too much making stuff up going on here, same thing with that new sit-com called The Chosen. I'm concerned that this teaching is misleading. God knows I want no one to suffer now or later, but where you see one thing, I see another. Praise God and may He make the truth clear to all of us. I'm still seeking true Bible believing people who know there is much that we do not know, but this is not one of those.

[@DOU6LEJAY]

Psalm 37:20 Read it. It tells the same thing this guy is saying.

[@JohnnyFreeze92]

The Lake of fire is called the second death (Revelation 21:8) and the last enemy that will be abolished is death (1 Cor 15:26) So the second death does not last forever. Also the word everlasting and eternal is almost always (unless referring to God himself or Tartarus) Aion-Aionios (age of ages, or age-abiding not forever) Romans 11:36 says that all things came out of Him, and through Him, and ALL will return back into Him. The word for "all" when looking at the root of the word means "the all" which is every particle in the universe. So everything will return to God. Also, 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in His own order: Christ the first fruits (the ones who attain to the first resurrection (Rev 21:6) ) after that those who are Christ's at His coming, then comes the end. It goes on to say everything will be subjected to God, "so that God may be ALL in ALL". The wicked that are destroyed is the wicked nature (the flesh/old man) that is within men. In the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE will bow and EVERY TONGUE will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord TO THE GLORY OF GOD. Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Seems to me God will be destroying the evil that is within mankind and He will save everyone through His judgments Isaiah 26:9 For when Your judgments are in the earth, The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. The Lake of fire burns with "fire and brimstone" - brimstones comes from the word sulfur, which is a purifying agent. So the fire is meant to purify, not only destroy. It destroys the evil within, but God's judgments will teach righteousness and restore. I could go on, but I digress. Thanks to anyone who took the time to read.

[@kingdomconcepts777]

False doctrine. Read the last 10 chapters of Enoch. It’s clear that the wicked will never live again. Second death.

[@JohnnyFreeze92]

@@kingdomconcepts777 Enoch does not invalidate the scriptures I mentioned. How do you resolve that the second is forever and death will be abolished? It can't be both.

[@kingdomconcepts777]

@@JohnnyFreeze92 Sorry you don’t know bible. Second death because first death is mentioned in Hebrews 9:27. Second death is plain and easy to understand. Don’t hyper literalise texts. The wicked will not live anymore. Lex explains this if you listen.

[@JohnnyFreeze92]

​@@kingdomconcepts777 Sorry, but I've only quoted scripture to you, that's kind of arrogant to say I don't know the bible by simply asking questions based on what scripture says. I think your statement says a lot about your understanding. "Hyper literalize the text"? Hebrews 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment. The second death is a judgement. Can we agree on that? Which God is the judge. And He judges according to His law, correct? Unless He is lawless, He abides by His law. So what is the standard for judgment according to God's law? Matthew 7:2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. So if what someone measures out will be measured back, how can the measurement be infinite? So is this hyper literalizing the text? 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. Seems to me, its talking about everyone, since Adam's sin passed on to every man. Notice it's a direct comparison As all die in Adam "so also, in Christ all will be made alive". I agree the wicked will not live anymore. The wickedness will be destroyed in everyone, and everyone will be made righteous. So there will be no more wickedness. Don't you know you and I have wickedness within us? We sin. Therefore we are as guilty as the wicked, because if we sin at all we are guilty of all. James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall the many be made righteous.

[@kingdomconcepts777]

@@JohnnyFreeze92 It’s not arrogant. It’s frustrating when someone can’t even watch a video to hear them explain. You have to know context and the definitions of words. I can quote anything without context. Example: “Eat, sleep and be merry.” Doing that will not lead you to truth.

[@jonahsonnentag1088]

Glad to hear truth, 99.9% will not have understanding of this topic..

[@lexzenis2544]

too bad...you got the .1 percent advice here. ...there are other verses to consider in the bible....he has only taken ONE. see also Mark 9:43-48; see also Matthew 5:30. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." In both verses, the word for "worm" literally translates as "maggot" or "grub." Clearly, maggots are associated with death and decay-BUT... What's different about the maggot Christ mentions is that it "will not die." eternal torment. Also: Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. sounds like eternal torment doesnt it.

[@matthewclay6535]

@@lexzenis2544 I hope you're wrong... but am afraid that you're right. JOHN 3:16

[@trustme7660]

No it even says it's not eternal

[@linak7155]

KZbinr Alisa Childers had a discussion with a gentleman about this very subject on two ocassions. How I'd wish she'd examine the pertinent Scriptures that paints a a very different picture from what mainstream Christianity teaches on this subject

[@lexzenis2544]

love your sermons man...but i beg to differ here..Mark 9:43-48; see also Matthew 5:30 For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." In both verses, the word for "worm" literally translates as "maggot" or "grub." Clearly, maggots are associated with death and decay-BUT... What's different about the maggot Christ mentions is that it **"will not die."** Also: Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have **NO REST day nor night**, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. sounds like eternal torment doesnt it.

[@zachariahz9832]

For ever is not the same as eternity. My kids say this car ride is taking "for ever" but we're home now so it didn't last for eternity....

[@teachmetruth3539]

@@zachariahz9832 are you going with your kids definition of “forever”? Or the Bible’s definition of forever? Go with the word of God.

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

That the worm will not die doesn't mean the people on which the worm is won't die. In fact, normally in the Bible people who have a worm are already dead (the ONLY exception is Herod in the New Testament). And this is specifically the case in Isaiah 66:24, which by no coincidence is the passage Jesus is quoting in Mark 9. It specifically says that those thrown into that valley are "corpses". That their worm doesn't die, therefore, means that the worm is eating their dead flesh - which doesn't cause suffering, but decomposition. Rev 14:11's language of the people who "have no rest day or night" doesn't say it's torment that causes the restlessness. The context is clearly the worshiping that they're doing; and in fact the only other occurance in Revelation of "day and night they have no rest" is Rev 4:8, speaking of the worshipers of God. This passage is therefore speaking about the sin of worshiping the beast restlessly, rather than speaking about the punishment for doing that (which is torment with fire and brimstone, but without a statement of the duration of that torment).

[@lauriejeantzeitelliorabrow4412]

Revelation 14:9-11 KJV ..if any man worship the beast..and receive his mark..[10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [11] And THE SMOKE OF THEIR TORMENT ASCENDETH UP FOREVER AND EVER: and THEY HAVE NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT, who worship the beast.. and whosoever receiveth the mark..

[@karatekidsPawPaw]

Hi Lex - I really enjoy your videos - They have greatly opened my eyes to many things I have incorrectly taught in the past. I want to teach God's word as He meant it. QUESTION: I have seen in many of your videos that the unbelievers will be "destroyed" in the eternal (or everlasting) fire. Not tormented eternally. Help please to clarify Revelation 14:9-11 Where it seems to me to say that one who takes the mark of the beast will indeed suffer torment "day and night with no rest".

[@kangawallabimbiroo3170]

Read verse 11 (revelation 14:11) it never says they will suffer forever, it says “the SMOKE of their torment will rise forever and ever”

[@kangawallabimbiroo3170]

In the literal translations it says “to ages of ages”

[@kangawallabimbiroo3170]

My understanding is that they will be tormented with “no rest day and night” UNTIL the “age of ages” which is when they will be ultimately destroyed, to be no more

[@WilliamTanksleyJr]

@@kangawallabimbiroo3170 - a more subtle point is that "no rest day or night" is only associated with worship, never with torment; this phrase in this passage has the subject "the ones worshiping the beast" (most translations change the grammar here, and some change to a future tense). This is parallel to -- in the sense of using the same Greek words -- Rev 4:8, also about continuous worship. I think this tells us nothing about the duration of the torment; only that the worship is frantic and that the punishment will be permanent. I think the parallel in Rev 19:2 strongly indicates that the torment will cause their destruction, just as Babylon's torment causes her destruction in Rev 18.

[@karatekidsPawPaw]

@@WilliamTanksleyJr That's good! Thanks - I see it now - hopefully correctly. They have no rest day and night "those that worship the beast". I was associating the no rest day and night with the punishment where as it is associated with while they worship the beast.

[@martystover5689]

Great points Lex! Thanks

[@Paul.Archer]

So when Jesus talks about those who will be outside the kingdom, weeping and gnashing teeth, is this a brief moment (a few seconds) of weeping and gnashing before being consumed by the eternal fire? Not much of a judgement to the wicked, and not much justice to those who have been wronged by the wicked.

[@gustavmahler1466]

Jesus was talking about the children of the kingdom not the unbelievers

[@fortis6258]

There is no justice or judgment for the wicked I learned in life. Maybe the judgment is that the wicked conciousness is wiped out for ever, as if they never existed??? The lake was created for the devil and his angels, beast and false prophet.

[@darktrey50]

So it's not good because the wicked don't suffer enough for you? Not to put words in your mouth but I've heard that counter argument before.

[@gustavmahler1466]

@@darktrey50 no one is innocent

[@Paul.Archer]

@@darktrey50 It's not about satisfying my desire of how I think the wicked should be punished, that's up to God. If Lex's interpretation is correct, praise the Lord! If my interpretation is correct, praise the Lord! So far, I haven't heard convincing evidence to believe otherwise.

[@carolbowen1693]

eternal punishment-not eternal punishing!