Is the Marshall Stack obsolete?

[@OilCanHarry2U]

I’ve played a Les Paul through a double stack Marshall …and I felt like a God. Lugging it up a double flight of stairs had me feel like Sisyphus in the underworld.

[@Jake-mv7yo]

I don't go to the gym I just do gigs with a double stack

[@rivereuphrates8103]

The duality of man, the Jungian thing

[@kocherpm]

"But it's also just the death of a dream." wow. that's poetry.

[@jamesromanski8508]

I had a visceral reaction to that too. I died a little.

[@Mike-ky9jz]

I'll take a large cabinet at low volume over a small amp at high volume any day of the week. Had my Marshall since '94.... Still going strong. Still take it out for gigs.

[@UseTheSupeRsonic]

Easily. It’s all about headroom! A cranked low wattage amp will fart out and get mushy. In recordings, that’s fine for certain styles, but for live shows, usually it just sounds like a shaken can of farting bees. If anything I would agree with as far as amp/cab rigs these days, it’s the weight and size thing. I’m SO not dragging around a 412 anymore, not with how good slant 212s have become. They’re punching way above their weight class.

[@ratbird3290]

ok boomer! 😂 PS I’m 41 but just talking shit

[@christopherallen5603]

What amp you got bro? I have a clone 100w plexi .. Going since 94? That's pretty darn good for any amp in any era

[@deshawn4077]

I dont think they are dying, the local guitar center, whenever they get some in used, they are not there long. People where I live still use actually amps live.

[@CraigFlowersMusic]

Where do the venue owners get the nerve. If some dive bar told my drummer he had to bring an electronic kit, he would refuse to do the show.

[@daviddenson3324]

Yep I would have told that dude if I cant play this amp then no show

[@DerekMorey6505]

It's literally their venue. They get to dictate volume levels. I don't understand why that's so controversial.

[@CraigFlowersMusic]

@@DerekMorey6505 Idk, dignity, overstepping, the fact it’s not about volume but not using a toy for a tool’s job, and what if tell that bar owner he may have booked a bar band, but we’re going to do a lounge act if he wants lounge volumes. There has to be a line somewhere, and it can’t be right between making guitarists use fake gear versus not making drummers do it-neither can it move in the direction of taking drummers’ dignity away too. It may be their venue, but it’s my show. You also don’t get to change my lyrics for you, and I’m not going to decide the bar is buying the house a round. Okay? Okay.

[@shakarocks]

Cool. Does he like getting paid?

[@brucehayes7251]

Yes unfortunately an amp can look scary , I myself have been questioned as to the necessity of all the amplifiers being carted on stage at a little club, not by anyone of importance but someone who had absolutely no clue. This sadly is the world, many decisions are made by persons unqualified to make them

[@goobiecaro8135]

Speaking for myself, I was raised on the sound of 100 watt full stacks. True, there is a sound and image associated with them. Gigging bands had 1/2 stacks at clubs and full at larger venues and/or outdoor gigs. Fast forward to today, and mostly due to aging, I see and use 50 watt or smaller heads into 212 cabs and combos. A lot easier on the back and load/unloading at the end of the day. Still pushing the 50 watts as the 212 are more efficient and have more power handling drivers in them. I also played gigs were 5 watts thru a 212 was too loud. Today's players are choosing modulers that plug into the PA and doing more with a tablet or phone. Thanks for the vid.

[@1969Donovan]

When I was in high school in the 80's I lugged around a full stack Marshall plexi. Mostly for outdoor gigs.

[@co2gonzo]

Stacks of any sort are NOT OBSOLETE!!! See? Now you got me Big Mad!!!

[@donbabcock2062]

“If it sounds good then it is good” Edward VanHalen

[@barbmelle3136]

From Leo: Sir, I think you are the first youtube channel that ever demonstrated a Marshall 1/2 stack clean. Well done. A closed back cabinet "thumps" differently than open backs. I really like a 2 x 12 cab. I also have a pair of oversize 1 x 12 cabinets. If I need a half stack, I set the 2 x 12 over both 1 x 12 cabs. 4 x 12 cabinets are too hard on what is left of my back.

[@robertstan2349]

there's nothing like actually feeling the notes hit your body as you play. taming a roaring stack is a skill in itself, one that players who haven't had the experience with can really struggle. i've seen guys that can play great at low volume just melt when on stage with a stack behind them. i can only imagine that nowadays it will be an even bigger number of players affected

[@Jake-mv7yo]

Yes the feedback is a part of the instrument itself as far as I'm concerned

[@darwinsaye]

Congrats on getting a Vintage Modern model. Not very common. I’d say a full stack is total overkill these days, but the Marshall half stack suffers from a perceptual bias. If you think about, let’s say for example, a JTM45 head and cab (or a 50 watt Vintage Modern) all you *really* have is a 40-ish watt, 4 speaker amp. Because of the name, people will look at a Marshall half stack and think “oh god, a giant, monstrously loud amp”, but if you were to walk in with a Super Reverb, or a Tweed Bassman, they’ll probably think nothing of it. Or another example would be the reaction you would get walking in with a Bluesbreaker combo vs a JTM45 stack, even though they are essentially the same amplifier inside.

[@markn4526]

I primarily use a 1984 JCM800 50w 2x12 combo for gigs. Because it's a combo, I usually don't get the negative reactions from the club owners or sound guys. That is until the sound check. It's extremely rare that I can turn it up to the point where it's actually starting to cook. It's very disappointing! It still sounds "OK" at really low volumes, but it is capable of so much more. By the way, I have no plans of selling it or trying to find a smaller amp to use for gigs. It's actually the "smallest" amp I have even though it probably weighs about 80lbs and is a big pain in the a$$ to carry around.

[@DouglasMcLaughlin-kq7hk]

In Oct.2001 I bought a G80 RCD model. For that Christmas, I bought a 4x12 matching cabinet. A raw venue is served very well with this option set. I believe your premise, though, is aimed at the labor to setup/ teardown needed: cabinet is 53 lbs., amp is approx. 48 lbs.

[@ozzmannsanchez6180]

Marshall Rules !

[@davolk9525]

Years ago I gigged with a Peavey 5150 head with two 4x12 Peavey cabs. It was a pain in the neck to lug around but it sounded amazing. I've since downsized to combo amps. The pressure to go digital has increased but nothing will replace the tone of a tube amp.

[@brucek2946]

Im Almost 60 and I am an "A+ Love" The Big Boy Amps done right !!! .. You Hit my Favorite Marshal Half Stack Tone at the 16:45 mark ... I would Love to Rock Out Even at the Age of 80 at that Set Up Level With an Equally Big Boy, Geddy Lee, Neil Peart, 70s Power House RUSH , Bass and Drummer Behind Me !!!!!

[@Chris-hq7nl]

A big, high-strung naturally aspirated V8 is obsolete but it is amazing and there’s nothing else like it. Rock and roll was never about practicality or being polite, and I think the genre loses something by making concessions to engineers and practicality. Today I run a modeler through a power amp into a 2x12 or 4x12 to try and get the best of both worlds.

[@UseTheSupeRsonic]

This guy knows. I love both digital and amps/cabs. Mix em whenever the occasion strikes and enjoy the best of both!

[@tedrobinson3802]

You don't "need" one any more, but when you grab a power chord you quickly realize this is it. It's more than just getting some sound recorded on you computer.

[@Paul_Lenard_Ewing]

I use a 50 watt Plexi with an attenuator. I was using a half stack but did go to a single 12 cab that was ported to give you 4x12 lows. The thing I missed is the thump created by the a 4x12 cabs resonance at 130 kHz. I stumbled on the GUPtech Quebec EQ Enhancer. It has one knob that adds the just right presence and the other labeled depth kicks in a noticeable Thump. It only cost $100 USD and I never turn it off.

[@Guitarded51]

I would love to lug my jcm900 half stack around for gigs if I wasn’t old, but I am so I just use my combo for gigs

[@MarkMonolithOfficial]

It is still 100% relevant. Can't replace a classic

[@MarcRademacher]

Got this amp! In my opinion it is the most underrated amp ever! It takes some time to dial in but once you do… …let the honey drip!💧

[@davespin9034]

I absolutely LOVE my 4x12’s, it just sounds big. For practice I added an output jack to my Marshall MG15 and plug it into my 4x12. That’s my practice rig, the 8” speaker is just too small. I bought my DSL100H Marshall and it just sounds good through a 4x12. Can’t go. Wrong with big cabs, big resonance and big air.

[@davidisenberg125]

i have big combo amps that collect dust unless i have a big outdoor gig but most of my gigs these days are with a fender super champ xd slaved with a marshall DSL2000 .... gives me a 10 inch celestion and 12 inch..... plenty for small bars and i don't kill myself hauling 90 pound combo's around .... i'm 72 years old so i'm an old dog who sure misses the old days

[@jamesromanski8508]

For a life long guitarist, is owning a 4x12 head/cab "stack" still a bucket list experience? It is for me. Until it isn't.

[@christopherallen5603]

Although it doesn't sound quite as good, i can throttle my 100w Marshall slp & G12-75t 4x12 down to a practice amp volume & still kick the dogshit out of going direct into a PA with a Kemper or any other kind of simulator

[@doctorskull8197]

Outstanding video! I’ve been playing electric guitar in rock bands for 50 years (yes, 50). Nobody wants to lug a big amp around especially at 2 AM after consuming a few adult beverages no matter how awesome they sound.

[@jbrobertson2758]

My setup is a '67 Bandmaster on top of a 1965A Marshall 4 x 10" cabinet loaded with G10L-35 Celestions. With it's closed back the sound is fuller and richer, something I don't always get with a single 12" combo amplifier like a Deluxe Reverb.

[@davidburns862]

An Origin 50 half stack in my walk-in closet and a DSL 100 full stack in my garage. The fullness of a 4-12 cab spoils you

[@edgarkarluhl3105]

I played a Marshall half stack (on stage a full stack) for some years back in the 80s/90s. It was a two channel amp and I never took / needed any pedals then. But it became simply too heavy to carry it around. Today I play over a Blues Junior which most of the time sounds well. But I also have a bag full with pedals and cables. Being 25 again I would instantly buy a Marshall stack again and forget about pedals and things like that.

[@seanyiscubsfan1]

I’d love to see Marshall make a 20 watt version of the Vintage Modern in the studio series.

[@JackFossett]

👆

[@robelson3078]

Isn’t that what the SV20 is?

[@kenaiello4851]

Has a decent master

[@seanyiscubsfan1]

@@robelson3078 No. That’s based off of the Super Lead whereas the VM is more of a modern reimagining of the JTM45 or if the JTM45 had continued on and evolved like the SLP amps did.

[@theshamannik]

An absolute brilliant video! Bravo…. As I am one of the generations who remembers and actually did lug 4x12’s and hundred watt heads Up four flights of stairs and down frozen fire escapes for those New Year’s Eve gigs up north… Of course… I was in my 20s early 20s! Lol. There is nothing like that sound I don’t care what you try to do…. Including attenuators …. but I do like what Marshall is doing now…. Even they still lack the fullness and the bottom end, which we can explain away as you’re not gonna need it in the mix… We all know there is nothing like plugging into a full stack….. There is nothing… Like plugging into a full stack.

[@paulevans-b2j]

I still do it for every gig and im 50, wouldn’t have it any other way.

[@masterbluesrockguitar4966]

Thank you for the video, it's very true what you say and almost no one says it: these amps sound great at low volumes as well and they also record really well at bedroom levels. For some applications they even sound better at low levels. The modeling thing on the other hand has gotten ridiculous. Wasn't Kemper supposed to have nailed it exactly ten years or so ago? So, what exactly are they still improving? I'm not putting modeling down, you can get great sounds out of it but I don't think the new units sound so much "better" than the first line 6 pods. You could get great sounds out of those too! As far as live shows at small venues, relying on in ears, especially cheap ones combined with young, inexperienced users can really damage your ears, much more than an amp at moderate club levels. Modeling gear is great but it is marketed with the notion that real amps are obsolete which is not true at all. If you play in a wedding cover band, these pedals are great. If you play in a "real" band, you go to move some air!!

[@wyattlovesyoutoo]

i love my marshall origin 50 and tbh its not bad at all bringing it around :)

[@aminahmed2220]

Awesome video have a great day Jack and also the Marshall amp is a legend ❤😊

[@SandrOliva]

Marshall user since 1972 (it was a s/h 100w plexi full stack, wish I still have it!) I mainly use Fender combos live, Twin or Super, but I still own three half stack: a Marshall 77 Super Bass, a 1972 London City and a Hugues & Kettner digital ZenTera head, all with Marshall cabs (Greenback or V30s). I'm keeping them because I need to hear that sound every once in a while, and I may use one or two of them if I happen to play a big venue again (touring dats are over, but you never now). Or a video for the new album. I will keep at least one till my last day.

[@walterbarkhuysen-tacke548]

Hey Jack first of all let me tell you i really like to watch your channel! Clear comments, no crap or ego, fine playing and great tones. Maybe the younger generation just doesn't know any better. And for sure the bedroomplayers who think they know everything better... never did a live gig on a real stage. But the real experience of a 4x12 cannot be simulated. Period. Also great on low volume levels. I play a few different amps, practically and smaller, but the sound of my original '64 fender bandmaster head on my 4x12 marshall cab cannot be done otherwise. And yes, rock n roll will change, that's evolution. Cheers and keep on rocking!

[@veciroker]

Clean is beautiful

[@Santaheckler]

I play a Twin TM and it can get so big (and loud) or come down to much lower volumes. If the sound guy gets super soy on me, I can turn the speakers off and go DI to the board…thank goodness that’s only happened once. Lol

[@kennethmeeker6369]

You can’t bypass a chip in a kemper like you can a component in a hand wired amp and physics of speakers and cabinet are two thirds of the sound your hearing. A412 will always blow away a combo of any size. My opinion.

[@albertjabberin739]

I’d say yes, though, modern 20-40w amps into 1x12, 2x10, 2x12 cabs, pedals etc. can make big sounds, especially going into the pa. Stacks are still used in metal and hard rock though.

[@virtus12ful]

Amps are still the way to go IMHO. I use a Vox AC30 every Sunday I’m scheduled to play. At home, I have a DSL100H w/ a 2x12 cab and will use it in a service at some point. The cleans on it are great and you don’t have to run it too loud to sound good in the mix. I do have a Tonex as a backup, but it’s more of a plan b vs. this is what I want to use. It’s good, but doesn’t inspire in the same way a good tube amp does. If folks like the modelers, YDY, but tube amps are my go to and will be till I’m in a nursing home.

[@dannyllerenatv8635]

I think 2x12 and 1x12 cabs have become the new norm. Some people simply put like that 100 watt and above "kick", regardless of how loud or quiet you're playing. When I ordered my AN Overdrive Reverb/Phoenix Fury, I went for the 100 watt version and the 2x12 cab knowing very well it's far beyond overkill. However, after owning 100 watt tube amp half stacks, including Marshalls in the past, I missed the feel of a 100 watt tube amp. The smaller wattage stuff sounds great don't get me wrong, but there's just something sweet about a 100 watt tube amp.

[@CG-rf6nu]

I've got a Marshall half stack and a little DSL20 w/a 2x12, I love them, they're amazing, they're not played often. It's usually me plugging headphones into practice amps or the laptop but nothing sounds as good or feels as good as the tetal thing.

[@michaelsantos9802]

no it will live forever I love my stack

[@jasonbates2687]

Using a modeler through the PA is obviously easier but at a small gig or just sitting at home the half stack still rules. I have a Marshall 4x12 and a 2x12 both modded with aftermarket speakers and although the 2x12 is rated for higher wattage the 4x12 just sounds better. I have several tube heads and they all sound better through the 4x12 including my SV20. More speakers always= more balls. Also I put casters on all my cabinets, problem solved.

[@Monedgar123]

Had a JCM800 half stack back in the 90s. We were young so lugging it around was fine. Plugged straight in, no pedals! So good. Then went to a 150watt MesaBoogie. No need for that, but it was fun as hell! Now I have an AC30 with a handful of pedals, scratches the itch without being too nuts!

[@deanlunn1969]

Had a few Marshall heads and cabs over the years Jubilee 2555x, JCM900, JCM800, Vintage Modern and a JVM410 oh and an old DSL100 all with 4 x 12 matching cabs. Now after 35 years I have settled on the VOX AC30 C2 and the C2x Wonderful amps old style pedalboard stunning sounds. I didn’t sacrifice tone I’ve actually found what I love for rock n roll 👍

[@paulorr7471]

The Vintage Modern is a great Marshall amp. I would put the head atop a Mesa widebody 1x12 cab. Or, the Fargen 1x12 oversized cab. Both cabs give the 4x12 cab a run for the money.

[@glenmurschel5939]

Think the problem in most places I gig there isn't enough room for a 4x12. That's not the amps fault.

[@richardwright5885]

I can remember being in a band with a guy who would only use 4x12s. He'd be standing next to it and have the treble really high, because all the high end beams past. When I sat down for a minute across from it (where the audience's heads would be), it was painfully trebly. You do have to be careful with the directional beaming of a 4x12. In a big theater where you're a bit further away from it and maybe with the angled top it'd be better, but in small rooms I think they can cause you problems.

[@gibs8412]

I use a pair of combos for most shows, but one of my bands is large venue only, in which I use a half stack, with a mesa 2:90 power amp. they all have their places, lol .......always like your vids Jack.

[@RiffArchives]

Yes, but to a much, much smaller degree. LOVE The Vintage Modern btw, I have the 100W one myself and going to be grabbing a Greenback 4x12 for it soon!

[@SamHollidayV]

Ima Princeton guy, kind of a nice happy medium. The Marshall plexi tho, nothing sounds like it cranked up. If I had the space and means, absolutely would go for one!

[@williamnapolitano1550]

Yip, I just purchased 4 16 ohm 12 inch 25 watt celestian green backs and installed them in my Marshall slant cab a few hours ago. Definitely a way to go. Complimented with my 1985 2203 JCM 800.

[@Stitsel]

Now THAT's a man's rig!

[@johnmarshall3903]

Agreed!

[@TheSoundofForgetting]

Hey jack.. the Marshall stack is still a thing at least for myself! I love my Plexi & JTM & Super lead so for me it relevant so can play my Zeppelin & Peter Green & Clapton but on that note have a question for you & maybe you will answer but if you had to choose between a 59 Fender Bassman or 65 Fender deluxe reverb which would you choose? Mostly for Blues/rock & like who I mentioned up there 👆 I know how you feel about both but want to see what you say.. thanks jack & keep rocking 🤘🎸🤘

[@sonofromel]

It will never be obsolete as long as people capture the amp profile on modelers and make IRs out of the cabs.

[@Canadianwheelchairguitar]

I had a Randall 1/2 stack & stopped playing live (in a bar band) in the 2000s. Then slowly the HIUGE arena rock bands of the 90s & 2000s became classic rock. They were/are releasing new music but when did the last HUGE rock band debut? I think the change in popular music has a lot to do with this. There really isn't a HUGE rock band at the moment that debuted after 2015 as far as I know. There are underground metal bands on the rise but even they're using digital amp modelers on stage for easier/faster stage changes. Big amplifiers & cabinets aren't dead.....yet. Rock music seems to be on a slow rise, so this might come back but only time will tell.

[@edwinwise6751]

I use a small Marshall combo for gigs dsl 20 . It sounds great ……but there is no sound like 4 celestians all pumping air in perfect unison . They sit in any mix perfectly

[@edc3093]

Jack, great reflection on the Marshall half stack. Now that I am in my early 60's and still playing hard rock, the half stack is just too much weight to take out to gig. Especially when companies like Friedman, Engl & Mesa Boogie can get you there with the tone at 20 watts of tube power with DI out and cab emulation into a PA system using a 15 to 25 lb head with or without a 1 x 12" cabinet. Personally, I am using either a Tone King Imperial mkII or the Engl Fireball SE 20 with a small pedalboard.

[@DareBear2099]

My 40 year old back that’s been to literal war tells me not having a half stack is okay. I now play a tube combo with a neodymium speaker and casters or direct through an HX Stomp to gigs. I don’t miss it. I loved them, but I sure as hell don’t miss the load/setup time.

[@nicolasmaurin182]

I love the last piece of music 🎉 great playing Jack!

[@Natural_Order]

I think the stack will stay but it’s a niche setup know. The only bands I see on tour with half stacks nowadays are some sludgier metal bands. Most modern metal and rock bands use kemper, and everyone else uses combo amps

[@StevenAnthonyGuitar]

I've done a similar video almost to years ago in my channel (linked down below) and I stand by the points I made in it, and I stand by bringing my halfstack to every gig were I think it's not overkill. That's festivals and bigger venues. It might be bigger, but it has wheels. That also means I can put my plexi on top of the cab, with my attenuator on top of that, get it all hooked up and just roll it onto the stage. I've had the SV20 and it's great, but once I played the 50 and 100 watt plexis, it's just not the same. Also own the UAFX Lion that is great is well, but I like hearing an amp on stage behind me and with a rockband like mine I think people should see actual amps on stage. As long as my health allows it, I'll keep bringing it for as long as I can, because there's nothing like it. I'm almost 35 now, so I hope I can keep doing it for plenty of gigs to come 😉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2apf5eQgaqkhrMsi=NnoJ7_pU1fRq49B0

[@kenaiello4851]

Dig my vintage modern

[@mtbmadman011]

Ill take a 1/2 stack and power station any day of the week. Does Randy Hanson plug into the board? Sound guys are lazy. Is rock and roll about practical?

[@rudolphpyatt4833]

I remember another Marshall amp from the late 80s and early 90s that has become something of a cult classic: The Lead 12 micro stack. Marshalls are underrated for their clean sound, so I am glad to hear that demonstrated here.

[@rullywow3834]

I had the x100b fuzzy carpet 4x12! Always felt the square 1960B was superior to the 1960A. Still have many amps and pedals but when playing out, the HX Stomp XL rig is hard to beat for sound, portability, and small size. Great video, Jack.

[@sammyj.d6101]

Yeah, definitely a different and by-gone era for most of us I think, at least in a lot of situations. I used to gig Marshall half-stacks in the 00s and we were just a band of kids with somewhat of a local following! My last gig… a BOSS Katana 50 micced up lol. My dad had a loose friendship with Jim Marshall in the 90s and he asked Jim about the possibility of some lower wattage Marshalls… lo and behold that’s what we got later on. Sometimes I think about buying one of those mini Jubilee heads. Hmmm…

[@aluminati9918]

Hate to say, but 4x12 rig is obsolete (for most gigs). My half stack now is 2x12 & head. Preferably a slanted vertical 2x12. Keep up the great vids!

[@kevingates503]

Little amps and modern digital will never sound the same as the real thing after playing a 100 watt stack every thing else is anticlimactic

[@ericlewis217]

Still have a Fender half from 2006. used once/year at home for fun. I store it with a cover and a towel over the speaker grill to keep dust out. No one in town has played a stack in years. Lugging a 4x12 to an upstairs gig-what a slog-but then again lugging a Deluxe Reverb is no trick either. Stacks remind me of getting into guitar in the mid 90s. Got a Crate half for my grad present in 2000. Everyone had to have one, and everyone had a Crate at the time. Ha!

[@louderthangod]

I still see half/full and multiple stacks cranked up quite loud at most of the shows I go to which is often in small to mid-sized bars and clubs. I’m still buying them even though I’m not gigging now but hope to in the near future. I think if you play original vs covers as well as genre. Punk and metal (especially doom metal/stoner rock) essentially require huge amps.

[@Joey_McElroy]

So as a “church player” I’ve been using the Helix the last 5 or so years. And before that was using a homemade board for a preamp pedal to give it some life running into the house. I’ve got a stack and and some heads. A Marshall class 5 head, and an origin 20 head. I run them through my 4x12 1960 cab from 1989. Sounds incredible. The origin 20 2x12 sounds like hot garbage. So I just run both heads through the 4x12. But they live at home and will continue to use real amps and pedals at home. But live playing it’s the helix for me, most places wouldn’t allow ANY amp on the platform. Sucks but…oh well ❤❤ great video Jack!!

[@wagzzzz]

When I was 16 or 17 back in the 80’s I came home with a crate full stack. My father didn’t say anything. Just shook his head in disappointment

[@JackFossett]

😂

[@MichaelSorensen-bl3ec]

Real tube amps will never die. I can't stand modellers, there's something artificial about it that harshes the vibe. Despite countless bands using full stacks as a backdrop, most of the time what they are actually using is a 50w head and a single bottom cab, perhaps 2 cabs if the stage/venue is very large.

[@dwocelot6913]

Sounds amazing. No substitute for big tube amps - or any old tube amps, for that matter. But I've been saying for years that they are the Dodo birds of the amp world. Their obsolescence, except in a studio/home/collector environment, is inevitable.

[@cassavamellin]

i had an origen 20 stack. i loved the overdriven sound but marshall made a mistake. even at the low wattage mode ir was way too loud at home. it should have been a half watt or whatever. since i rarely could enjoy that vintage OD sound i got rid of it. what good is avinatge sounding marshall if u cant enjoy the OD? u can with a dsl but i wanted the powertube type distortion

[@deshawn4077]

I am not playing anyplace that requires you to plug into the board. Sound is still sound, you still need speakers and pluging in into a pa and use ears in is not the same and still need some speakers. Modelers still need speakers and they dont sound better than real amps and speakers. The places I know of locally allow bands to use real amps. I dont know what happened to people. Physics hasnt changed.

[@kevinoconnor2921]

Couldn't agree more!👍

[@shakarocks]

Yet a sizable number of pros do that very thing.

[@Stitsel]

People got pussified. Real rock needs to be LOUD, you need to feel it.

[@robertprice5039]

For gigs currently my pedalboard is rigged for either my 20 Watt 65 Amps Lil Whiskey Combo, or my 45 Watt 65 Amps Whiskey Head. With the head I have my choice of various cabinets. If I am either playing an outdoor gig, or a gig where someone requested to borrow a cabinet for their set, I will bring my 4x12, so I can be heard, if the PA is lacking, or I won't be worried by someone blowing my speakers if they happened to have a high wattage head.

[@ae3898]

Based upon the views of the control panel and upon my ears, I’m thinking you do NOT have the mid-boost function engaged in any of the playing samples. Am I right?

[@linkhatchet]

Fuuck no the age of half/full stack is not over, and never will be. I always hear (online) about people saying that everyone is downsizing, but when i play out, I dont see that. I mean, it depends on where you play at I guess. In a small bar where there ain't enough room for big stuff, ya i can see that, but people need to understand thier equipment and where it will fit at when playing out.

[@windsweptguitars]

With modern PA and house equipment and modern pedals, A deluxe or JTM 45 combo is all you need

[@fender4brad]

Live bands still use them around my area. I went to two Marshall 2 by twelve cabs with different speakers. I have several heads I use, last live performance I had an evh head Marshall 2x12. Huge sounding.

[@andreasmann8954]

When you stand with your Les Paul 3 or 4 meters in front of a full stack on 10, you know its not obsolete.

[@johnmarshall3903]

Exactly!

[@christiangrumann695]

I have too many cabs, because I tried to find a 2x12 „solution“. I play heavier Rock and I accepted, that I need bigger Iron (transformers) and bigger cabs. A 50 or 100 watt amp has a tighter Bass response & more headroom. At least that’s my experience. I play an Orange 412 and thats pretty much as heavy as it gets. But it’s the sound I love :)

[@mr.anderson70]

Orange 412s look great on stage but I feel like they should come with their own Roboroadie.

[@hootowl6354]

I just watched a tour of the Marshall factory. They are still shipping a ton of 4x12's. They are iconic, collectors' items, if nothing else. What kind of guitar player wouldn't want a half stack in their home or studio? But playing out, no, they typically aren't needed anymore. I use two ENGL 2x12's at home, though I have a 4x12 from 1986. More speakers always sounds better, especially since you can mix and match speakers.

[@ElricX]

I'm a bass player. As a group, I think bassist have gone the D.I. route sooner than guitarist. I'm fine with my board and can cover a lot of ground with it. It's extremely convenient too! That said I'll always have a head and a 4x10 as long as I have space in my home.

[@nekkon1989]

I really like the fact that you talked about channel-switching amps. Can you talk about it in a guitar talk video please? Like, using a channel switching amp vs using an one channel amp with pedals

[@kevinoconnor2921]

I'll never sell the 50watt EVH III or the Fender Supersonic 60watt. Both can be very loud, but pure tube tone. If I owned a Marshall JCM 800, I wouldn't sell that either. Sound men can get over themselves. I have heard NO modeler sounding better, ever!

[@patrickkem689]

An arena flavor,much more full of a tone with the 4X12 CAB always bigger sound,👍❤️ Try a 212 WITH THE 412 CAB AND ARRANGE IT IT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS FOR A MORE STEREO SOUND. I USED TO LOVE TO PUR THE 212 WITH OUR BASS PLAYER FOR A MONITOR AND ALWAYS LOVED IT!

[@petersirag1925]

I still use my stack everyday it sound crazy wonderful for me my jcm 900 stack still favorite 😮

[@Stitsel]

I have a JVM half stack....100watts on a 1960B.....that thing will go with me wherever, for the rest of my life!

[@gibsondcxpl85]

When decided it was finally time to dip my toes into the digital modeling world, I didn’t have the cash so I was looking for someone to trade an FM9 for my Marshall half stack. I thought it was extremely unlikely that someone who crossed over into digital would have any interest in going ‘backwards’, but sure enough, I had a deal in less than a week. The half stack lives on!

[@timscarrow9151]

I had a Highwatt half stack in the 80's now I have tinnitus and a sore shoulder. I'll stick with 25 watt or smaller combos. With the ear I got left.

[@simonsmith2579]

I use the exact amp you have there as my home practice amp. Albeit with the original Vm cab with the G12-C Greenbacks. It is the best amp I have ever had In fact it may be the best guitar device I ever had It works at home, even without cranking, best tones ever had Will give my best shot at keeping forever

[@simonsmith2579]

I am even known to use modellers into the FX Loop with cab sim off Best modeller tones I've ever got

[@zoomzoom3950]

Not for me. I have four half stacks and one full stack (Marshall 1959x); 3 x Marshall 100W; 2 x Marshall 50W, and 1 x Marshall 40W; 1 x Fender 180W; 1 x Mesa 100W; 2 x Engl 100W. I also have a Helix Floor and Fractal FM9 Mk II Turbo. Marshall Studio series at 20W are toys IMO. But that's what buyers want these days. Not me. My DSL40CR is as low wattage as I'll go; it or my Origin 50C are my first choice gigging amps depending on how much gain I need. I like and use them all. If I can use a tube amp, it will always be my first choice, the bigger the better if I can use it fully which is very rare. Lucky for me I can crank my amps at home. No need for attenuators, just really good earplugs. cheers!

[@voxpathfinder15r]

I have a Carvin Legacy A cabinet and a Peavey Penta 140 amplifier head on top of it with 3 Marshall circuits in it, jtm 45, Marshall super lead, and a modded George Lynch style Marshall. The 4x12 has 1970s Carvin magnalab square magnet speakers in it. The thump is incredible!!!

[@Stitsel]

Rock needs that thump! Coming from a backline!

[@joosboer1030]

I have 20w 2204 clone on a VS quad. It sounds epic at very reasonable volume. It has that Marshall gristle, without insane loudness. Would love to try one of those studio vintage amps.

[@steve_pooch]

I've actively been trying to sell my JCM1960A 4x12 for over 2 years asking a market reasonable number and still sitting on it....I've carried it around enough since buying it new 25 years ago. Seems people don't really want them anymore. It does make me sad I can't really use it anymore those days are gone.

[@bobsandore]

I love the sound of my Peavey Ultra 120 half stack, but it's not going anywhere unless I move and the moving company moves it for me. I'm just a hobby musician, so it fills a niche in my music room. Likewise I don't intend to lug my Pro Reverb 2x12 around if I don't have to. I have a Line 6 modeling 1x12 and/or a little Kustom Tube 12A to lug to any jam with friends etc.

[@jjulch]

I’m lugging out a 2x12 with a 50w head, but actually running it in a 10w mode. Just can’t play loud as I’d like.