Is the Stone of Destiny FAKE or REAL ?

[@ScotlandHistoryTours]

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[@waynekerrgoodstyle]

Hi Bruce did you know that Scotland is getting a new TV channel called *The* *Scotland* *Channel* They're also on KZbin, Facebook and other platforms. They are currently looking for content creators, Narrators etc etc. I just thought I'd let you know just in case you're interested.

[@bjbest]

I grew up in a wee village called New Lanark on the Clyde, you should consider doing a video there sometime 😊 wonderful history.

[@gijgij4541]

Bruce: it was only at 14 minutes in that I noticed the shockingly phallic tree behind your right ear...

[@kathykuecker]

I can imagine someone saying, "We can't let them take the Stone! What can we do?" and someone else replying, "Let's replace it with this one from the privy....they won't know the difference."

[@joanr3189]

If we lose our stories, what do we have left. I thank you for your storytelling.

[@andyn3532]

Sir Terry pratchett took a comedic slant on the stone of scone in the fifth elephant and replaces it with the scone of stone a form of ancient dwarven battle bread which has seated dwarf kings for centuries it's a brilliant story

[@ScotlandHistoryTours]

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[@TheEudaemonicPlague]

I met Sir Terry a bit over thirty years ago. He was guest of honor at a convention I went to near Chicago. At that point, I only had The Color of Magic, so I didn't really have a lot to say to him (but had been seriously impressed by the book)...I have pretty much everything he ever put out at this point.

[@bonnienichalson5151]

Me toooo love Sir Terrys work ! Never had Opportunity to meet him ! Saddly ✨

[@deejmalik]

Hi Bruce don’t leave us hanging like that spill the tea!

[@GrizzyLemming]

Interesting aside, in my experience of English this side of the Atlantic we drink the tea but spill the beans while gossiping over said beverage 😊

[@cyankirkpatrick5194]

In the USA at depending on what part it is spill the beans

[@cyankirkpatrick5194]

​@@GrizzyLemmingI just said that.

[@juliet298]

Yes please Bruce. I would love a video on who hide the Stone and possibly where they put it.

[@samwill7259]

I think the real overhanging question is. If that's not the stone, WHERE is the real one?

[@georgefuters7411]

Read the book, dah dah dahhh😉 Seriously there are multiple books and references to this topic going back to Victorian times. The general consensus is that the monks threw it in a pond near the monastery, but it sunk into the mud and has never been relocated. The stone of destiny was always described as Jacob's pillow making the cubic block a little uncomfortable. It was also described as being black, (possibly basalt) 🤔🙄😳

[@jamesmaclennan4525]

Hidden beneath the chapel at Roslyn off course. Poor Eddie Longshanks was fobbed off with a latrine cover at least that was the version Nigel Tranter went with in his Bruce Trilogy.

[@Svartalf14]

@@jamesmaclennan4525 The Roslyn Chapel with all the masonic decoration and ties to the Holy Blood Holy Grail conspiracy?

[@jamesmaclennan4525]

@@Svartalf14 Yes that one!!!!! It's just a theory I've had for a while.

[@RichWoods23]

"WHERE is the real one?" Back in Ireland, where it belongs. **ducks**

[@rattleshakti]

When the stone was displayed at Edinburgh Castle a few years back, the guide I asked about it's origins was emphatic that the stone was original because it was proven by archaeologists to have been quarried in the Perthshire hills! When I told her of the Egyptian princess Scotia story it suddenly became her lunch break and she quickly disappeared! 😂 Surely the big question should be, Where is the real stone? and who's hiding it, and why! Great stuff Bruce, keep them coming buddy!

[@ScotlandHistoryTours]

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[@crinolynneendymion8755]

One would have thought that proving that that stone had been quarried in the Perthshire hills (one would have to ask are those the Ochils, Sidlaws or Grampians...) would have been a strong indication (aka proof) that it isn't the Stone of Destiny.

[@laszlokaestner5766]

That for me is the real question. If it s a fake (which I think is a strong possibility) where did they hide the real one? Of course the first question to answer that is who took it, as this will narrow down the options of hiding places.

[@mattgwayman]

​@ScotlandHistoryTours David, that book you referenced by Maule is not readily available here in the states; did you Pdf read it? Thx

[@EclecticCircleOfMagic]

Have you ever watched channels like My Lunch Break ?

[@ColinBlack-j5n]

I grew up in the local,its of Scone Palace and can confirm the sandstone is local to that area and found in local peoples garden walls, outbuildings and houses .Some might actually be from the ruined Abbey.On a recent visit to Scone Palace to educate my grandson on Scottish history the guide told us that there are various descriptions of the original stone but nowhere on the planet is it described as sandstone. There are medieval bale seals depicting the stone which show it needed six people to transport it and was saddle shaped with carvings.The sandstone block in Perth museum clearly shows signs of being worked on and the abandoned.This is why it is referred to as the Cludgie Stone by Scots. The coronation stone used for hundreds of years at Westminster was and is the biggest hoax and joke in history.I am sure the monarchy knew and still know this and get crowned through gritted teeth, whilst those in the know in Scotland sit and smirk.

[@sharktomesmiles]

Hello My friend Bruce. Im sure you know, I so want to hear it from you. Im now on the edge of my seat. Hugs

[@RichWoods23]

1:47 "...the most iconic artefact in Scottish history. If you can think of a more important one, then let me know" Billy Connolly's laugh.

[@ZAKKANWAKKAR]

The thing is, I knew this version of events as a boy. It was just something the family knew.

[@ChristophersMum]

Mine also...it was told to me by my grandfather who lived in Perth

[@gav2759]

When all is said and done, it's a piece of stone. An old Philistine like me finds it hard to get too exited by it's provenance. On the other hand I guess I like the notion Long Shanks was stung though.

[@blackcat2628zd]

It's not just a piece of stone. If it's real, you feel it, the energy is enormous.

[@EricDMMiller]

​@@blackcat2628zd😂

[@fearnpol4938]

@@blackcat2628zd😅😅😅 oh no here come the crystal healers!!🤦‍♂️

[@TwdlD]

I tell ya, Bruce. We need a 'Recommended Reading List' and a Book Club. Good stuff here as usual!

[@MrMaawe]

Excellent as always! And a historical topic that cuts through our current constitutional (un-)settlement.

[@levern1966]

Loved Nigel Tranter’s take on the Stone….. very National Treasure 😁

[@jameshorne9351]

Good morning, Good Sir, another great video. Thank you 💙🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@ScotlandHistoryTours]

Good morning!

[@Wee_Langside]

I love this story you've told well Bruce, so thank you. I remember, probably around 1969, reading in the "Scots Magazine" an article about the concealing the Stone of Destiny in Dunsinane Castle and how a stone was discovered during repair work in the 1820s? It was taken to the British Museum where it disappeared. Ever since I've referred to it as the Stone of Scone. Possibly in that article it said that the stone was carried on two poles. Also that at some point in the history of the Scots it was at Dunstaffnage Castle. I also read that on the Royal Seals of pre 14th century Kings of Scots shows them sitting on a solid throne. I imagine those nobles saying to each other "That isna it" I have a theory who did the hiding but I'd be very interested in yours.

[@deborahberger5816]

Yes, Bruce - Please tell us who hid the Stone of Scone!

[@jimmaule1388]

Looks like I have some reading to do. Once again a fantastic video.

[@GunRights4US]

I had already taken the view that Edward got conned and the stone was a substitute for the original. But I am tickled at the prospect of learning more about it. I ordered the book the moment that you said it was a good read! Thanks Bruce for all you do sir. 👍🙂

[@robertblack7610]

as the song says "tell me more, tell me more"

[@cyankirkpatrick5194]

Yes, however if you remember the show Hee Haw the ladies that was regulars on the show had a song saying we're not the type to spread rumors or the gossiping kind so you better listen close the first time 🤨😜🙄😁🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Timetraveler1111MN]

I was awake here about 3 am actually on my phone reading about castles in Scotland! Then this video came up. I actually saw this stone last year.

[@Allastrology]

Only the stone knows! Not matching the description seems odd. Def would enjoy a pt 2👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾thank you Bruce, Love learning from you!!

[@JZsBFF]

Have a nice day too, Bruce. Enjoying the tour.

[@joahnnaberti8897]

Who hid the stone and where is it? This was so interesting - I knew of the stone and the efforts of two young men to bring it home in the 50s, but had no idea it actually came from Egypt. This was great to learn, thankyou!

[@1981Marcus]

The Egyptian origin's almost certainly a myth tbf.

[@robertgalloway3771]

MIDDLE EAST SOMEWHERE!

[@heidistammberger4857]

More on scone and the stone Brucey❣️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@dalyahgreenberg2688]

I saw the stone last year when visiting Edinburgh castle. It was in a case,. There was a long line to see it and looked like cement. Your suspicions of it not being the actual stone now makes sense to me. Thank you for this video.

[@stubbsieshorse327]

Bruce, you are correct in asserting that the Stone of Destiny we currently use to crown monarchs has it's own rich historical tapestry and story. However, I also agree that it is nothing more than a 13th Century version of "trigger's Broom" - unless taken totally unaware I can't image the "high heid yins" of Scotland just leaving such an important relic to be plundered. If correct that the Scottish nobility and clergy knew it was a fake then it might be worth also pondering this: If a Scottish monarch had to be crowned and gain legitimacy then did he not have to be crowned on the Stone of Destiny? Thus, is there a case for the examination of every Scottish King crowned after 1296 to have his coronation location examined? Did those in the know wheel out the "real" stone somehow for the ceremony and then hide it again? Or is there a case to examine the area beneath the floor where each monarch was crowned as placing it under the spot of coronations might have been smarter and more expedient? Or maybe there was a public ceremony and then a private one where the stone was held? Surely if we had it then we would have used it - otherwise what's the point of it in the first place? Just the musings of a couch potato Bruce but for every answer it seems to conjure another question - fascinating stuff.

[@judycassidy3786]

I'm for the followup story! This one is the best! Thank you. What you say makes perfect sense.

[@janetmackinnon3411]

Right enough, food for thought.

[@CrackedCandy]

Can I tell you cousin, that "let me tell you a story" gives me chills every time! I look forward to what you have to share. Please read the phone book for us brtween uploads so we have things to listen to

[@katiemoyer8679]

Yes please…tell us more ❣️

[@janethunter1928]

Hi Bruce! Yes, please finish the story!

[@martinkerr2721]

love chilling every weekend 4 am watching your channel till 7am for work better than any teacher i had at school ,that was long time ago lol cheers Bruce keep them coming m8

[@blobrana8515]

The Stone of Destiny is river bed sandstone from the Lower Devonian (old red sandstone) Scone Sandstone Formation, and probably came from Quarry Mill, near Scone Palace. The intriguing aspect is that one face is particularly smoother from years of continuous use, and it's been speculated that it was actually a door step. This may add further weight to the argument that the real Stone of Destiny was swapped by monks. Perhaps the real stone is now a church door step.

[@richardkidd8825]

Brilliant Bruce thanks for following up this thread ❤🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@WillSlater-y8q]

I definitely would like to hear more about the possible actual Stone of destiny

[@kenday3561]

As usual, Bruce, thanks for a well researched and reasonably argued piece of history. You tantalised us about the who and the where, and, hopefully, all will be revealed in a future video. The notion that Longshanks was hoodwinked by a piece of near worthless, localy quarried Devonian sandstone is very atractive. Perhaps the original stone, possibly Egyptian, possibly granite, has been hidden in plain sight all along?

[@colingordon5030]

Good video as usual Bruce, very much food for thought and while I may go and buy the book I'd love to hear your take on it so just make a vid mate 😂

[@macfiercesome]

Great stuff Bruce. In Nigel Tranter's Bruce Trilogy the switching of the stone gets a mention.

[@sheryljohnson5906]

Thanks Bruce ! Would love to know more !! ❤😊

[@christopheraliaga-kelly6254]

Errrr Years ago I read that Scota, daughter of Pharaoh (which one) giving her name to Scotland was a fiction in response to the English tale of Brutus the Trojan being invented in imitation of Aeneas the Trojan, alleged founder of Rome, to give an origin story to Britain...

[@SusanC147]

Thank-you, Bruce & yes, I would love to hear more about the suspects who hid stone

[@SovereignWarrior74]

Cináeda mac Ailpín (Modern Gaelic: Coinneach mac Ailpein; c. 810 - 13 February 858) often known as Kenneth I and nicknamed the Conqueror (Scottish Gaelic: an Conqueror) was the King of Scotland from 843 until his death in 858.

[@davidscottbentley6169]

Great video and fascinating topic. Would love to learn more on what happened to the 'real' one.

[@suemackenzie7491]

I love starting my Saturday with your videos. So informative!

[@ChristophersMum]

Please, give us more on the fate of the stone 😃🌠

[@NeilMcKay-pj7xe]

It was hidden, just like the honours of Scotland till SWS found them at Edinburgh Castle. Great work and I’ve ordered the book. Can you go back to Dunoon please and find out more about the three settlements at “The Camels Hump”, behind Dunoon. Just above the Lochan where a Crannog has been discovered ❤

[@normmcrae1140]

As a Scottish-Canadian, I'd LOVE to know WHO hid the Original Stone, and WHERE! It sounds like the Original Stone is MUCH bigger than the one purported to be the Stone of Scone.

[@bhgardeners]

Common Bruce I WANT to know ! great story.

[@angusmacleod5652]

Fascinating, Bruce, and very well spoken. The answers are always hard to find and theories are too often accepted as fact. Thank you for the questions and your insights. - Angus from Bean There, Cape Breton

[@mikeharrison72]

Hiya Bruce, My Dad would tell us as young lads that when the “real” stone was found Scotland would gain her independence again.

[@mattfraser9661]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, Bruce!

[@MrGreen1314]

Aye, tell us more Bruce!

[@vibrationcommunication9432]

Braw video as always mate, its just a pity its a Dull day in Perthshire today. Hope it brightens up . Peace and respect Bruce x

[@andrewmurray4587]

Another pointer is that the stone was significant in the Celtic church. The Celtic church was right into carving stone. It is impossible that such a stone would not be covered in Celtic Christian carvings. This would tie in with monarch seal representations. Great story and I am ordering the book. Alistair McKerarer had a great article about it in the 1950s and of course there is a place for Dunsinane it that story

[@scotland638]

Yes I'd like your take on who hid the real Stone of Destiny.

[@WilliamMacdonald-bd7pv]

😜 impressive video yet again 😎 🇦🇺

[@ScotlandHistoryTours]

Thanks 😋

[@nancyholcombe8030]

Hi Bruce! I will have to get that book now, somehow. Nevertheless, of course I want you to tell us where you think the stone is and who did the hiding! I'm sure you've read the book and that might slant your video but there's not a better storyteller of all things Scottish than you! I've enjoyed your stories and opinions for many years now and always look forward to Saturday when I can see the next one. Thank you for keeping my ancestors alive for me! By the way, you and I are of the same opinion on the Stone. The question is who did it! I also wonder if Longshanks caught up to them and still didn't get it, which would be why he came back to Scone for retaliation. Y'all take care now! 😊

[@cynthiabotsko2449]

Love to hear your thoughts on who hid the Stone or where it could be❤️♾️❤️

[@dorkgirlalamode]

Book ordered. I'm hooked. Well told, sir.

[@murrayscott9546]

Bring it on, Bruce ! More, more more ! Loves ya ! The 'evidence' you've presented is somewhat convincing and I'd like to believe but I'm with you in that it doesn't matter where the Stone lies, it's the groumd

[@murrayscott9546]

where it lay that matters.

[@NuLiForm]

Lovely story! Yes...do tell us more? There were 3 Templars in my family(recorded on our crest) so..i have heard a few things...but..i want to hear from You!

[@kencraig8715]

I would love to hear your thoughts on who hid the real Stone, and perhaps your thoughts on where it hides to this day - waiting for Scotland to regain it's full independence once again. I love your videos !!

[@jasonwidegren3211]

Great story! I DO want to hear about the likely conspirators who hid the real stone.

[@dougcop7253]

Another great video Bruce thanks keep the English guessing

[@colinp2238]

Hi Bruce, Thanks for this great, informative video, a mini documentary. It has been a couple of years since I have been to Scotland, and my last two visits were to Edinburgh with the London Caledonian Society. I'm interested to see the stone and would like to know of other sites In the area. I don't suppose you remember me from my visit to the Burns country, where you were good enough to take me in the wheelchair that rainy day? The years that have passed have not been good to me, health wise, but I'm still deeply interested in my Scottish cultural history. Although I know my grandfather, Alexander was from Inverness I'm sure that further back the family were from the lowlands, as the name is more from the lowlands. In my 70th year I would love to breathe the air of my ancestral past before becoming a part of the past myself. Keep up your great work sir, it is greatly appreciated.

[@ScotlandHistoryTours]

Aye Colin, I mind ye and see yer cheeky comments on Facebook. We all hanker for our home. My lad went back to Oz this week and is feeling it himself

[@Jonnyxs]

Good to see you big man👊🏼

[@margaretpeden6340]

Love your Blogs !

[@terrykennedy-lares8840]

Yes, I want to know!

[@lynnemurphy114]

💚love to know who hid the stone

[@witatter1]

When i first read the title i thought this was about the stone being stolen in the 60’s (?). Interesting story and you make some excellent points!

[@ScotlandHistoryTours]

I think you mean the 50s, and it wasn't stolen. It was repatriated

[@davidmclean3465]

There's nothing more interesting and fun than trying to solve a good mystery. This is surely a top shelf mystery! I would truly love to know the answer to it. It would be amazing if the Stone Of Destiny really was taken and hidden somewhere, and that the generations of people who had kept it secret for all these hundreds of years finally brought it out into the public and having it scientifically proven to be the Stone that was brought to Scotland by Scota! It would be globally sensational and something that all of us would love to see. 🤔

[@northwall9243]

This was quality! Will check that book out, you gotta wonder where the real one is though. Hopefully not being used as someone's garden wall somewhere!

[@mariablp]

I think that Ian Hamilton‘s role concerning the question where the real stone is, is ridiculously underrated here…

[@bigboaby555]

the existing stone can be traced to a quarry nearby scone palace so its very likely they switched it before Edwards arrival

[@benjaminlasseter8929]

I'd say the important lesson is this: are there any other suspicious things that we know are lies because of the behavior of the interested parties? I'd say that this sort of thing has happened often before, happens now, and will happen in our great-grandchildren's days too.

[@madscientistmtg]

Great video, Bruce! Glad the peacocks weren’t on the grounds to photobomb you 😂

[@grahamross1422]

In the Saturday 17 February 1951 (Yes, 1951) edition of The Scotsman newspaper there was an article written by my great-uncle, James S Richardson (formerly H.M. Inspector of Ancient Monuments for Scotland) in which he examined the seals of the pre-14th century kings of Scotland, which had representations of their enthronements, showing the throne/seat/stone. They appeared very different from the current Stone of Scone, more ornate and higher. He concluded that the stone taken by Edward's men was not the original.

[@johnd5432]

Possibly your best video yet Bruce, until you come to Hamilton for a visit. You’ve left me feeling really thick! Visited the stone a few weeks ago, why the thought that it may be a fake never crossed my mind, I’ll never know. Too busy telling my daughter about the pub in Glasgow that claims to have the ‘real’ stone switched by the students in the 50’s. Perhaps the Perth museum has a fake of a fake…..it did always hit home to me that the stone really isn’t that regal or special, just a lump of rock really. Didn’t know all the history behind it all but do now. Great work, sir!

[@DuncanMcintyre-jk3qb]

Brilliant show Brucey fella almost made me forget the Dunfermline score thank you 😂😂

[@PointyPaints]

I'm from Guisborough, never knew it was linked to the Bruce

[@alansmithee8831]

A'reyt Bruce. It is the faith in the relic which gives it its power. My dad said I would get on better in life to judge for myself and I would therefore always be one step ahead of those who believed in their own "stuff", as it would allow me to use their own "stuff" against them if required. I wonder which side of the border might have been thinking like this? Was it the Stone of Scone, or just a large scone of stone?

[@JCNeylan]

Thank You....

[@jameshorne9351]

Hey Bruce, Im just curious I did some research on the Stone of Destiny many years ago, wasn't it Tia Tephi princess of the house of Juda that brought the stone from Irael?

[@corderomiles3769]

I've read on this as well.. have read she was supported by the Milesians..or judahites aka zarhites/ zarahites

[@scotland638]

The lost tribe of Israel ?

[@bethstaley467]

Yes, please make another video about this. I just found your channel, and it's great. Thank you for all the hard work. My husband's a Campbell, btw, and we just watched Glencoe. As for what I would have done, I hope I would have let myself be killed. But one never knows. It isn't surprising that England was the cause. He knew that, but I didn't. We're both American, but he's mostly Scottish and I think I'm mostly Irish. Not from DNA testing, from a gut knowledge of who knit us. And yeah, no doubt there's English in both of us, more's the pity. Excellent videos, I'll pass them on.

[@Bobby071161]

Books on the way for Tuesday. Amazon Prime 🤫

[@scotland638]

Is it available on Amazon Kindle

[@lexicornfell7361]

Doesn’t seem to be. I want to read this, but I need a digital edition. When’s that coming out?

[@billmmckelvie5188]

Thanks, for the video. I checked the story of Malcolm bringing the marble stone to Scotland. Egypt does have Marble quarries producing all the different hues. You'll have to call in Dr Jones (Junior) to find the missing artefact unless someone knows where the real one is. Plus does Scotland want a King. Do we go for Princess Anne who's always supported Scottish Rugby in lieu of King Charles? Or do we recheck the lineage and look for a new King or Queen!

[@lexicornfell7361]

Scotland has no king. Scotland needs no king.

[@quinntheeskimooutdoors6234]

Thanks for sharing 😊

[@ScotlandHistoryTours]

You're welcome

[@SeoAnndra]

It looks like I'll need to buy this book. I've heard lots of stories over the years and I believe the general location of the real stone is relatively widely know. I think Perth museum is worth a visit, even if I found the stone exhib slightly underwehlming. Defintatly worth a couple of hours walking around.

[@thejamesieboy]

I've known this story all my life, nice to see It being publicised like this. I remember years ago I think it was on a tv program, at the time the (fake) stone was returned, a story about the real one being found after a landslide on Dunsinane hill. After the landslide, someone or some people at the site of what's believed to be Macbeths castle found the entrance to a vault. Inside was a black stone "Not of this earth, meteoric or semi-metallic", along with bronze tablets/plates writing on them. Roughly translated they said something like "The sconce (shadow?) of kingdom come, until Sylphs in air carry me again to Bethel". I believe it was sent to London but went missing on route before leaving Scotland. Will be buying the book, but would love to hear you comment on who hid it.

[@brianpark8758]

Tell us, go on mate, don`t leave us hanging.

[@TorturedSoul76]

Just read slaine the horned god that has the stone of destiny of a weapon of the goddess. So yes, I would love to see more about the real stone

[@kenmoffat617]

Quite a few years ago I was returning from a family funeral. I had given a lift to a lady who must have been in her 80's. As we passed the Laird's Loup near Kilsyth, she looked up and said 'The real stone of Destiny is up there.' I still wonder about this.

[@MexieMex]

Interesting stuff, another book for the reading list.

[@alecblunden8615]

I would love to know who nicked the real stone and why it hasn't reappeared, at least after Bannockburn.

[@stevenfaber3896]

Please do a detective analysis with the author going through the options for who di et!

[@onbedoeldekut1515]

Is the Stone of Destiny FAKE or REAL? YES! It _IS_ fake or real!

[@ramonbennett8416]

I want to know!!!!!!!!!