Is The Thermarest XTherm Worth The Hype?!

[@billcarpenter5615]

Thanks I was thinking of getting the tensor but have read so many reviews of people who ended up sleeping on the ground because of a tear and now I am almost decided on getting the large xtherm

[@rob9709]

I bought the x-therm a few years ago, I use it as a part of my sleeping system with a quilt. YES, an insulated mattress makes all the difference. ;)

[@PaulMessner]

Very impressed with the thermal technology that thermarest have come up with. For weight to warmth it’s unbeatable. I just wish that they were more comfortable and not quite as noisy. I guess everything has a trade off. Great video my friend 👍🏻

[@BackcountryExposure]

Thanks Paul! Comfort could use an update with these pads.

[@lorismith8479]

Absolutely!!!! I have the Large Max (25" wide and well worth the extra money) and it's DA BOMB :) The only sleep pad I have and it's awesome....hot tip: do not blow it up all the way so you can sink into it a bit and not roll off when it's blown up to the max....Cheers

[@dorawa2419]

Do you use it in summer as well? How is it performing in summer? Thank you.

[@keeganb3763]

@@dorawa2419 it would still be amazing in the summer. Only disadvantage is you would be able to buy a cheaper and lighter pad if it's for the summer

[@dorawa2419]

@@keeganb3763 Thank you, but I don't want to have two for the moment.

[@elijahpickett5297]

you asked all the questions i was going to ask. Thank you both! @@dorawa2419

[@wanttogo1958]

I have the Long, Wide version of the Xtherm I picked up at a significant discount when the new valve version was released. It is very warm as you recognized. Something I stumbled on by accident was a way to significantly decrease the noise produced by the Xtherm. I chose to add one of Enlightened Equipment's pad "sheets" (it's really a slip cover that completely encloses the pad) to improve the feel of it against your skin when using my EE quilt. A side benefit for me is the fact it helps to keep your pad clean. I added underneath the pad a 1/8" foam pad sold by SMD and GG for slip control. I'm not certain which one of those additions to my sleep system made the difference but the noise factor was reduced to the point I don't really notice it anymore. Before those additions the noise of the pad would awaken me when I turned over. I'm a pretty sound sleeper otherwise.

[@bertman4]

I love my Nemo Tensor Insulated Wide. But I found it insufficient on snow, even with a closed cell foam pad underneath. The problem I felt was the wider surface area where it wasn't covered by a quilt or bag or blanket would get cold and that would transfer through the baffles. Also, I did not have a wide closed cell foam pad underneath so parts of the Nemo Wide was on top of snow. I switched to using the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XLite on top of the a closed cell foam pad. Definitely slept warmer but I really missed the comforts of the Nemo. So I purchased a Nemo Tensor Alpine mummy recently and will be using that this winter.

[@redpillnibbler4423]

This is far more meaningful than someone quoting statistics and marketing words. 👍

[@andrewb4984]

i've never tried it and i never would. just from watching this video i can hear how LOUD it is! plus, it looks way too small. definitely NOT a sleeping pad i would buy for any amount of money. what good is a sleeping pad if you cant sleep? i know all of this now because of your video. thanks, man.

[@BackcountryExposure]

Super loud. I have found that some of the noise is dependent on the floor fabric. Makes it a little more squeaky.

[@camp-kot7315]

I do find it narrow. Like they said above, it sounds like a bag of sun chips lol. Super noticeable in the vid.

[@rgmALC]

They make various sizes of this sleeping pad. Yes, the regular is narrow, but the Max is not. And they always sound noises when new, mine no longer has any sound to it.

[@kimrobb1965]

X therm isn’t loud at all it’s so awesome

[@Sandkasten36]

Yes the first impression - very loud but if you're in a sleeping bag and don't move around too much it's very quiet. Your sleeping bag is way louder.

[@aaalllen]

Anyone else not buy anything from backcountry since that trademark fiasco? Ever since then they've sponsored a bunch of YT folks.

[@aaalllen]

@@lakorai2 I think he atleast got some down gear and a dragon wall Copper Spur

[@arcana1973]

Yup. I haven't bought anything

[@Northern_Rockhopper]

Could do with being wider.. other then that be perfect

[@robhoffimagery]

As more of a budget option I just stack a closed cell foam pad under my summer pad to add the R values.

[@BackcountryExposure]

Yeah that works too.

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

Wrapping an emergency blanket around it makes such a difference, too, & might be an idea if you want a lighter weight option at some point, or to stack the effects of both - buuuut it _will_ give your bed that crinkle-crunch factor, which could be an issue if you're used to it being quieter.

[@Weepecket]

This is great timing as I picked up the Xtherm and was having buyers regret thinking I should have gotten a Nemo insulated pad instead. I was contemplating returning it unopened. After seeing this video I’m definitely keeping it.

[@BackcountryExposure]

2 years of use with the Alpine and the XTherm definitely showed me the warmth. I love that Alpine though, so comfy!

[@minisynthcollective7822]

Great. I was looking at this but thinking of the s2s thermal pad. Think I should go with the X therm after seeing this.

[@BigDawgCAM]

Are you primarily a side-sleeper though? If so, I would recommend the Nemo. Way more comfortable for side-sleepers which I found out the hard way

[@minisynthcollective7822]

@@BigDawgCAM Yes I am. Thanks for this.

[@GreatAmericanHikes]

Completely anecdotal for me but I personally believe the surface area thing is real and isn't talked about enough. When the surface area on top of the pad is exposed to cold air that causes a battle within the baffle system. The warm air from your body in the middle of the pad is competing with the cold air that is infiltrating from the side. As a side sleeper I've also noticed that pads get colder if I lay on my side as opposed to flat on my back. Less surface area of my body touches the pad when I lay on my side as opposed to my back. I used to use the long wide versions of the neoair line because I was bothered by my arms falling off the pad. I've now switched back to the regular size after noticing the pretty substantial difference in warmth. This is just from my experience.

[@BackcountryExposure]

I don't disagree with you. There have been trips where I wish I had gone with the regular on the alpine.

[@ZachBrimhall]

Totally agree.

[@neologian1783]

Couldn't agree more based on my own anecdotal testing. Rectangular pads of any R-value, while more comfortable for a variety of reasons, have a lot more surface area that is not directly covered by your sleeping bag insulation and/or not in direct contact with your body for heat retention & heat transfer. This means there's a larger surface area of the pad in contact with the cold ground on the ground side, more in contact with the cold air on the sleep side...and less pad (as a ratio to those things) in contact with your body for heat capture and retention. This is all amplified the lower the air and ground temps fall. Solutions? 1. Abandon rectangular pad and gain some efficiency in a mummy shaped pad 2. Take some steps to mitigate issues noted above like using a quilt or other material to minimize the effects of the issues noted above. In my case this means using a closed cell foam pad beneath my R-2 inflatable rectangular pad AND lay unused fleece clothing between my sleeping bag and the sleeping side of the inflatable pad. This seems to give satisfactory results. 3. Go get an R-7 pad!! (which is the only solution the gear head in me finds acceptable) :-)

[@icewallow2611]

Why no xtherm max? apples vs oranges thing

[@moyashisoba]

Investing in the Therm-a-Rest in regular wide or large is the best idea, I did it because I'm quite active while sleeping and I love that pad, no problems at all.

[@bmcquiston1]

Having used a NEMO Tensor insulated pad in the Smokey Mountains during my AT thru-hike, I want to emphasize that the 20 dernier fabric used is not at all robust enough and a pad not remaining inflated is a big negative when trying to stay warm. I now own the Xtherm 25" wide regular and can SLEEP on cold ground . I enjoyed your review btw.

[@LostInIce4]

It's much quitter than my wife. All jokes aside, this mattress is a must for all serious cold weather backpackers.

[@HUKIT.]

I just can’t tolerate the sleeping on a tent full of Sun Chips bags noise.

[@BackcountryExposure]

ha ha! Fair enough. You definitely heard the noise in the video.

[@camp-kot7315]

lol, 100%. Very noisy in those wee hours of the morning.

[@geraldhenrickson7472]

IT does get a bit old but not a deal breaker for me. I just snore and flop around on top of my potato chip bag . I think others in camp might hate it though. Is that why I most often use my down-filled Exped pad instead? Must be.

[@Datsyzerberg]

Came to say thee same thing. No way.

[@Datsyzerberg]

@@lakorai2 i had one but didn't like shaking around the down. Also found my bumper tunes didn't have any down when I held it to the light

[@GaerHampton]

I bought a Thermarest XTherm a year and a half ago. It was my first lightweight air mattress. Up until that point I had used a classic Thermarest that I bought in 1996, or my wife's really thick and heavy luxury map Thermarest. I'm a side sleeper, and several years back I gave up on using my Ridgerest as I simply couldn't tolerate sleeping with that little cushion after beating up my hips with a hip belt all day. I also had given up on carrying my old school Thermarest due to its weight. Two years ago I had essentially become a hammock backpacker due to my lack of a lightweight, yet thick, pad. My Xtherm changed all of this. It is plenty thick, it's lighter that what I had been carrying over the years, and it is plenty warm. I love to camp in the winter. The colder it is, the more I want to go out and camp! The XTherm's R-value is amazing! Only my wife's really thick and heavy Thermarest has an R-Value that is slightly higher [Edit: the XTherm's R-value is actually higher than that of the Luxury Map pad!]. Yes, the XTherm is somewhat crinkly sounding, but it only does that when I roll over, and I usually slightly wake up anyway when I do that. The sound is not a deal breaker for me. However........a month ago I bought a NEMO Tensor Insulated pad. I'm an old school Thermarest fanboy, but I hate to have to say that the Tensor might have become my new NON-winter backpacking pad. As a side sleeper, I think that the pad's baffles work better.....less bouncy-rolliness. (which I believe you pointed out in a video that I watched before I bought the pad). The Tensor is a little thicker, which is nice, but I don't really notice it being any more comfortable. I really think that NEMO nailed the design of the inflation bag. It works much better than Thermarest's, and it's light enough that I actually might take it backpacking (unlike my Thermarest's). I also really like the fill/dump valve that NEMO uses. The Tensor is a touch lighter (including the fill bag). My bottom line: Yeah, I love my XTherm for cold weather use. It is comfortable, and very warm. But for somewhat warmer temps, I probably would rather use my NEMO pad.

[@johncampbell335]

I got the extra large one. It cost as much as my tent, but worth it to me. I'm a side sleeper with a bad hip and this makes it tolerable.

[@GhostOfTheAngels]

Do you feel that the pad is thick enough for you? I have one in the mail and 2.5" doesn't sound like much - I'm usually a back and side combo sleeper.

[@mobilewintercamp7515]

Do not underestimate the cold. I thought I’d camp in above 10F. I bought a ExPed Megamat 12 with a 5.2R value , -4F. I had a 0F bag. First time I went out it ended up being -2F. Next times I hit -4 possibly-8F. I now have a -40 bag and the Megamat 15, 10.1R and -70F. It’s better to be safe and comfortable. Winter is no joke. Do not rely on a wood burning stove.

[@BackcountryExposure]

The cold can kill, that's for sure.

[@brittanycollins802]

Hey Devin! I'm planning my first trip out to Utah in 2021. What is your recommendation for a must see loop? Also, in WV winters the XTherm can't be beat

[@blackibex]

I have the Klymit Insulated Static V Luxe SL with an R-value of 6.5. Extremely warm, comfy because thick and much larger and cheaper than the xTherm. Oh, and silent. 😬

[@HammerandPipe]

Also bulkier and heavier. I have one too that I use for primitive/car camping. Id probably not use that pad for backpacking or thru hiking

[@blackibex]

@@HammerandPipe It's 887 grams and 29 x 14 cm pack size. I totally take it backpacking and I don't see any issues with it.

[@HammerandPipe]

@@blackibex good for you..

[@camp-kot7315]

Black ibex, 100%

[@rodrev_hiking6757]

BLACK IBEX 887g for a Pad is insanely heavy imo. Having an R of 4.5 at 460 g with my Sleepsystem . That’s almost a half kilo lighter

[@DavidAlanReece]

I have had the "chip pad" for years, and bought one for my wife. I can guarantee you this...before the Xtherm, we complained about the cold nearly every trip where the temps were below freezing and only ONCE about the sound since using them. So if you value a "sound" sleep over a warm sleep, then don't buy it. If you want to be warm, and wake up without shivering, then the Xtherm is the best you can buy. I also found that when I had a lazy day on the trail, and sleep was slow to come, that I probably wasn't working hard enough during the day to be tired enough to go right to sleep. In actual use, the sound is not bothersome at all, especially once you are asleep. :)

[@carvedwood1953]

I cannot stand the sound of it. For me, it defeats the purpose of going out. I might as well answer phone calls and text messages all night and hear their annoying sounds as well.

[@carvedwood1953]

@@DavidAlanReece I tend to roll a lot when I sleep. I sleep pretty good in any condition once I am sleeping. The sound of this thing just sucks the enjoyment out of being outdoors to me. I guess if i was camping outdoors in the winter frequently i might put up with it. I think the fact that it is so expensive and sounds like that gets under my skin as well haha.

[@BurtReynoldstash]

Should’ve got the wide xtherm pad. Plus the thermarest trekker chair for it. The ultimate set up full stop. Don’t waste money on anything else.

[@JeremyOdom]

Nemo needs to have a Regular Wide version of the Tensor Alpine like they do for the Tensor Insulated.

[@camperlists7090]

Now I would choose Lighttour R5.8 instead of these

[@banshee107]

I got rid of mine. Because of the price I tried hard to like it. Too noisy, narrow, slippery (pillow doesn’t have traction so I had to tape a T-shirt on it) and for me, uncomfortable. I switched to the insulated V UL by klymit. I’m very happy with it.

[@BackcountryExposure]

I used an XLite for 7 years straight and had similar issues, but wasn’t ever enough to totally move on. Eventually did though.

[@jays7318]

I'm surprised as I find the Xtherm much more comfortable than the Klymit. I also don't find it noisy and never dislodged my pillow. Maybe you are a more active sleeper?

[@camp-kot7315]

I do find it narrow. Like they said above, it sounds like a bag of sun chips lol. Super noticeable in the vid.

[@jays7318]

@@camp-kot7315 My large Xtherm is 25" wide. The large Xtherm is just as wide as the Nemo pad. The noise never bothered me, as I am a still sleeper

[@James-ke5sx]

I got the large size XTherm. The noise doesn't bother me because I rather have the warmth.

[@DadsBackpackTrip]

Just bought my xtherm last spring and love it. I’m 6’ and 220 and a 20” pad is just fine for me. The noise doesn’t even come close to bothering me and if it did the weight and warmth more than make up for any crinkling.

[@jbullfrog81jw]

Thermarest pads are tiny that's why I don't use them at all whatsoever. You would think the company would catch on and make a large version that's actually large

[@BackcountryExposure]

They did release the Max versions that are rectangular. So there's that.

[@danwyee2856]

Been using my regular XTherm since Jan 2018. yes it crinkles. bothered me at first, but got use to it. I'm 65yo male 5'6". 145#. warm sleeper. if you are a restless sleeper, would suggest a wide 25". temperature performance: lowest used so far 25F. in Sierras. was fine, no issues. seems durable. previously used open cell Thermarests. my first air pad. I do try and sleep away from other backpackers when I use this pad. When camping I use an open cell pad. I have the classic valve so unable to comment on the new wing valves.

[@carvedwood1953]

Id rather quit camping than sleep on that potato chip bag lol.

[@socialbot4881]

How about not buying the mummy version? 😂

[@florianengelhardt8211]

Lol i bet none off the those people complaining about the noise ever slept on a xtherm pad. in fact i own one, the noise just isn´t any problem by the time you lay on it with your sleeping bag or quilt. and for those who complain about the size, get the xtherm MAX, thats what i did (-;

[@DavidAlanReece]

Right! I just commented without trying to be overly critical of those commenters, but the noise really isn't a problem once you go to sleep. But even before, it is hardly noticeable. I would rather sleep all night being warm then worrying about 5 minutes of "Crunchies" while I fall asleep.

[@jimb7131]

I just don't see how a full sized adult can deal with a 20“ pad.

[@BackcountryExposure]

When you're an average sized adult like me, it's really not that bad, but some extra width is always a bonus.

[@cburgz3697]

I agree totally, I sleep on the megamat 10 duo with a dog, I'll pack that big pad EVERYWHERE.

[@sprocastersprocaster]

I sleep on a normal sized thermarest ridgerest cut in half

[@UrDoinItWrong]

They do make the MAX size which is considerable wider/longer

[@rgmALC]

The noise goes away after a while. Mine doesn’t crunch at all anymore

[@ChopperChad]

XTherm comes in Max (wide) versions. I have the Nemo Tensor regular wide (25”x72”) and the XTherm Max (25x72”). I sleep well on both. XTherm noise doesn’t seem so bad in use. Also sleep stability is better on the wide. I use the XTherm anytime night time temps are below 50 degrees.

[@BackcountryExposure]

Yes, I should have mentioned that. Thanks for pointing it out.

[@jays7318]

Thanks for the comparison! You mentioned that you don't like the narrow width of the regular Xtherm, but didn't mention that a wide Xtherm is available. I have the wide Xtherm, which is great for me.

[@BackcountryExposure]

Yes I could have mentioned that, as well as the max version. Thanks!

[@firefawnakl]

Yes it is! We’ve been using this for years in winter conditions up in the mountains and it is absolutely bomber! It has never failed us (going on heavy use over four years) and keeps us wonderfully toasty. The noise hasn’t bothered us at all, but...I also grew up next to train tracks that ran at night. 😂 We are both 5’9” and I’m 145 lbs and my husband is 160 lbs and we each fit very comfortably on ours. Someone over 6’ may have issues though.

[@BackcountryExposure]

Awesome!

[@gregmortonoutdoors]

Thanks to you, I'll stick with my Paria Recharge XL (4.7 R, 76x23x4, $85). I have a Tensor, BA Air Core, and 2x Klymit but the Recharge works best for me.

[@cheri7828]

Can you tell me what you like about the recharge? That's a good price for the R value.

[@gregmortonoutdoors]

@@cheri7828 Thanks for asking. I'm a side sleeper, for the most part, and I do not like a firm mattress. The 4 inches allows me to keep it soft without my shoulders or hips digging into the ground. I'm also 6'1", so the length gets my entire body off of the ground. It's not as wide as the Nemo Devin showed but it's thicker and lighter (if you're counting ounces). I have a 20 inch insulated Tensor but I get a better night's sleep with the Recharge. Lastly, Paria products have a lifetime warranty and their customer service is excellent. I live in Colorado, so I like supporting my state's businesses. I've bought several of their products and I have not been disappointed. www.pariaoutdoorproducts.com/collections/affordable-backpacking-gear-sleeping-bags-pads/products/recharge-xl-insulated-sleeping-pad

[@darrenwhyte515]

Yup, Paria pads are unbeatable value & life time warranty too. Orrr look at Massdrop.com they've a klymit insulated absolute bargain, just ordered but not yet tried.

[@gregmortonoutdoors]

@@darrenwhyte515 I had to walk away from Drop. I was billed for my Durston 40L pack in September and as of December 20th, they had postponed shipping for the 4th time until December 30th. I cancelled the purchase and put the money towards a Chicken Tramper 45L.

[@PMarsh14]

You should definitely check out the Exped Downmat HL challenges the Xtherm for weight and warmth and doesn't have the foil packet noise...

[@anthonycampbell1913]

When will the baffles blow? After my exped Downmat blew when during a freezing night I will never trust them again.

[@PMarsh14]

@@anthonycampbell1913 I've seen this problem before but is there any chance you had inflated it too much? I know weather can effect air pressure in sleeping mats and maybe there was a combination of these factors? Sorry this happened to you though, I hope I never have the same issue... Fingers crossed

[@anthonycampbell1913]

Peter M I doubt it. My mates who bought same time as mine blew about a year before mine. I was always careful with mine. Letting pressure out during day, storing flat and valve open etc. I just could trust another one

[@legomandk9964]

Bla bla bla bla paid commercial. 👎🏻

[@ChurroWaffles]

My brother in Christ, I have scoured KZbin for answers on what sleeping pad I should get for myself and my girlfriend and your video had all the answers that I needed. I’m going to get the Alpine Tensor for myself as I am a hot sleeper and the X-Therm for my girlfriend since she’s a cold sleeper. Thank you very much.

[@thomaspedersen1024]

Hi Is it possible that you are going to make a review of the Sea to Summit Ether light xt Exstreme, where you compare it to some of the other winterpads, like Therm-a-rest NeoAir Xtherm, Nemo Tensor Alpine, Exped Downmat 9 and so on...?

[@garrycollins3415]

I need to consider this. I was out this weekend, 13 degrees, -10 wind chill. I had a Nemo switchback on top of a Big Agnes R-4 air mat. I was cold for a couple of hours before it all warmed up. I just hate waking everyone with the XTherm noise plus I roll around a lot so the XTherm may not be wide enough.

[@BackcountryExposure]

I failed to mention that there are additional sizes available in the XTherm. But yeah it's a noisy pad!

[@firefawnakl]

The larger size might help? And the noise isn’t too bad especially if you pair it with say a thin foam pad underneath. That substantially cuts down on any noise.

[@Caoimhin7-4]

Hey, what model arcteryx jacket are you wearing?

[@BackcountryExposure]

Cerium LT

[@SigfridSWE]

If you want an quiet cumforteble cold weather pad as an alternative to the XTherm, check out the Sea to Summit ETHER LIGHT XT EXTREME INSULATED AIR SLEEPING MAT 6.2R value. No sound... Its heavyer and packs a bit big but still within exepteble limits in my opinion for winter camping. Not to heavy or bulky in my opinion.

[@summittaedae2323]

I have a exped downmat 9 apparently it’s 7.9 and reaches -38c. Scotland hasn’t ever reached -27. I also have a exped synmat7 at -17, my mate has just bought the sea to summit black one at 6.2 I think. We just need better bags to accommodate the pads 😂.

[@Blue-pb7kz]

I wonder how much the x-therm is of an upgrade over the x-lite women's! It's "only" about a point and a half more r-value, which doesn't immediately seem worth the price, especially relative to the total r-value of both of them, but honestly I was freezing in 35° weather - well dressed and with a 10° quilt! - with the x-lite... And I went out again in 20-30° weather with it with this massive overkill winter sleeping bag, and was way too hot in one side and too cold on the other all night... Kept turning over, like something in the oven you want to cook evenly! I don't suppose anyone has tried both, to compare them? (Also I wish they made a shorter women's version, because I totally believe in the surface area thing! Which I think is the reason layering a foam pad over it feels warmer than putting a foam pad under it).

[@wanttogo1958]

You didn't say why you chose to use the standard size XTherm for the test yet own the L/W version of the Nemo pad. Seemed a little odd unless you're just trying to save winter gear weight. Agree Xtherm is not as comfortable as some other pads but it's durability, relatively light weight and warmth far outweigh any advantage other competitors can offer me.

[@stevenconnor4221]

I bought the x therm a few years ago now, i am not the smallest person and i side sleep. Dont over infalte the xtherm is it noisy yeah but overly.not realy, thats just deoendend on your own sensitivities to noise. It is the best for refecting your heat right back at you well wortj the money.in my opinion. I just put a small foam sheet (car windscreen thermal.cover) underneath to protect it as it is expensive. Top notch for me.

[@MX4551]

Thermarest is offering the Xtherm MAX (rectangular shape) now - that would probably offer some more sleeping stability like the Nemo. What do you think? Has anybody experienced?

[@hoser7706]

It os insane how much heat the Xtherms kick back!!! Within 1-2 minutes. The new Xlite does a bit but not the BTU kick like its winter sibling. While perhaps not as comfy as (gasp!) the BA AXL insulated or Nemo Tensors it is by far the warmest.

[@Spushed]

Should have bought them when they were $160 a couple years ago...no idea why they jumped up so damn high.

[@betsycotton5212]

Love my XTherm. It was a game changer for me in terms of sleeping warm. I sleep easily and am not bothered at all by sounds. Less noisy than the non-XTherm NeoAirs IMHO.

[@steve-kx3bs]

They have the technology but there prices are over the top and are to narrow as a side sleeper I find I slide of them were I'm happy with the klymit v lux insulated

[@BackcountryExposure]

Right on! Yeah in retrospect I maybe should have bought the long wide.

[@gregmortonoutdoors]

How is the V Lux? I own a static v and an insulated v lite so I was curious about the lux.

[@alistairj4851]

Just watched your best tents post, have you considered the Berghaus Cairngorm 2? It's an excellent tent particularly in high winds.

[@chiefcliff]

Both the Xtherm wide and Tensor Alpine are out of stock and no where to be found - is there info on when the Xtherm Max wide's are going to be back in stock?

[@TennesseeSlim]

My neo air started to bubble and thermarest replaced it np! It had an extreme amount of use before it became unusable.

[@ffrecalde]

Which Arc'teryx jacket are you wearing for that temperature??

[@simonnonstoppa126]

I would love to buy it but it seems to be out of stock everywhere ( in uk ) 😒🤔

[@arcana1973]

Devin, do use the pad straps on your wide quilts? I'm just wondering if they create an air gap in the quilt that doesn't keep you warm.

[@utubeblackbat]

really excellent review, thank you very much...!!

[@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem]

there is a wide rectangle version of the xtherm. its the best pad on the market no doubt

[@mitch60mccoy]

Hey, this was a very unique and fun presentation. Very helpful to me. I was gathering a little more info before pulling the trigger on the NeoAir XTherm. So this was a great little confidence booster. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.

[@rogerrhodes2333]

I used the wide version of the NeoAir Xlite for the first time late last fall on the southern half of the AT. I was surprised how much I liked it. When deflated a little, it was comfortable and warm in 30Fs temps plus not as noisy as when fully inflated. This winter I will try the Xlite in teens and single digits on snow. If I am cold I will grudgingly (price) get the Xtherm.

[@Worleywoods]

I got my long & wide xtherm from moosejaw's outlet, mountain steals for $110 It weighs 17oz with the blow up bag. I consider it to be my best piece of gear. Yes it's the older style with a more difficult air valve, but it is so damn comfortable, I could care less. And those who say is too warm for all season backpacking are wrong. I've had it from 10 degrees all the way to 70 and had no problem. When you put your hand on it, you can literally feel the heat being radiated back to you! Sorcery!

[@BackcountryExposure]

My Uberlite has the old style valve and I still enjoy it when going super light.

[@laurynaspetniunas8193]

whats the difference between this xtherm and the rectangular xtherm?

[@mooseliver1772]

Dumb question but need a real answer... I noticed you laid down on the "lighter colored" side of the X-Therm. We have always slept on the darker colored side and kept decently warm... Is there really a better side and if I sleep on the lighter colored side I will be WARMER? (really serious question, I feel dumb cuz I've never flipped it over to try the other side)

[@BackcountryExposure]

To me it wouldn’t make sense to sleep on the darker side. The printed logo is on the top side, and the darker side is the heavier duty 70d fabric which would mean that bottom side is designed to be against the ground.

[@mooseliver1772]

Thank you. I will be warmer this season.

[@Stoney_AKA_James]

Good review! Have you tried the Klymit Insulated Static V Luxe pad? I'm a side sleeper and it's very comfortable, but where I live it doesn't get that cold.

[@loudowning3393]

The problem with Klymit insulated pad of yours is the new r-value is only 1.9. I have the Klymit uninsulated and its r-value is not much lower at 1,3

[@traviscarter2128]

How would you rate this against the Sea to Summit ether light XT extreme? seems to be a contender with r value of 6.2 and 720 grams for the regular.

[@BackcountryExposure]

Haven't had a chance to see the Extreme yet.

[@alexwbanks70]

So I have two Thermarest pads. One I've had for probably 8 years Neo Trekker in wide large. It has a decent R Value and I'm not sure what it is honestly, but it is comfortable and warm enough for me in the winter. But I wanted to note I've never had a leak or a hole of any sort. Last year I bought the Uberlite and its been great so far as well. Got that in the Wide Long and no issues so far.

[@BackcountryExposure]

Sounds like a nice history of use!

[@danharrison5285]

I have the Uberlite, Xlite, & Xtherm all in long/wide. The noise has never bothered me, but I understand how that can bother some. They do get a little less noisy over time. Even though they have identical dimensions and shape, I find the Uberlite the least comfortable, the Xlite is middle, and the Xtherm I is the most comfortable. Not sure how, but the material does make a difference for me. I am a slightly cold sleeper and always take a little more pad (R-value) than weather calls for. I also under-inflate these pads and it does make a huge difference in comfort at a slight loss of R-value. I recently purchased the Nemo Tensor in wide/regular (not the alpine version). I have only spent one night on it so far, but found it just slightly more comfortable then my under-inflated Neoair pads. Not enough comfort to make a difference. The comparable Xlite is less weight, likely warmer while under-inflated (can report back after more usage on the Tensor), and almost as comfortable while under-inflated. I did also under-inflate the Tensor, but it made less of a difference as the material has more give/stretch and the quilted baffel design has more give in the first place as well. I have the Xlite in normal dimensions as well and find it unusable. Just too small. I'm 6ft and 200 lbs. My wife uses it when I can get her to come out with me. The Xtherm is my favorite pad to date. It is so warm!

[@leftistelf]

Xped makes superior models with like r7 and r9. I just don’t they market as well in the USA

[@BackcountryExposure]

Exped makes a great pad. I've got a couple. The only issue that I have is the long vertical baffles that just aren't overly comfortable.

[@whatkjsaw4461]

The top of the nemo was exposed to the cold, (being top cooled) the top of the extherm was covered by the quilt. There was no top cooling of the extherm.

[@BackcountryExposure]

Like I said, my science process isn’t perfect...

[@mikeghost7788]

I dont care about what the haters say about your test. It told me what I needed to know, thanks my friend!! Happy Holidays Devan!!

[@BackcountryExposure]

ha ha thanks!

[@HammerandPipe]

New BCE video with my homie who doesnt know he’s my homie? Dont mind if I do! Creepy joke aside, Hope you and the family had a great Christmas and hope your New Years is awesome too. Great video bro!

[@BackcountryExposure]

Ha ha ha thanks! Likewise!

[@WildWestlad]

I bought Thermarest neolite xtherm and it failed before it was even field tested. I inflated it in my house and discovered that it had a puncture. I had to send it off to Thermarest in Ireland for repair at a cost to myself of £15. They tested it and discovered two punctures. I contacted Bikester whom I bought it from and they said they'd refund me. I explained that I was out other costs as well as £200 for the Mattress. They suggested a £20 refund plus other costs instead of a product return & full refund. Surely this product should survive a living room test never mind the great outdoors... I think a lot of you reviewers need to take a long hard look at yourselves.

[@BackcountryExposure]

Uh okay. Your experience is far from the norm. It is always possible for a product to have a defect. Doesn’t matter what it is. To think that every single product ever produced that gets into the hands of the consumer will be perfect is just ridiculous to expect. Sounds like the company you purchased from took care of you anyway. Also, what is your last comment even supposed to mean?

[@WildWestlad]

@@BackcountryExposure The post was submitted incomplete and in error. The product should reach the consumer in full functioning order. If not, then the vendor should do all in their power to correct the fault by way of replacement or full refund including costs. I have spent the best part of a month trying to correct a product fault. I've been the driver trying to correct the situation. it should be the other way around. Especially when I've laid out £200 for the product. Second point. I wasn't inferring that you were a lazy product reviewer. I was simply trying to point out that many product reviewers simply dont field test the kit they're reviewing properly. Many of us youtube followers garner a lot of our information and knowledge from folk like you. Remember, a lot of kit used for outdoor hiking and bush craft is used for primary survival, in varying climates and weather conditions.

[@alfredozelaya]

What gloves are you using here ?

[@Love2Wander]

Wife loves it I think the x therm it's way over priced for a sleep pad

[@BackcountryExposure]

Yeah it's not cheap, but I look at it like the mattress you sleep on at home. Invest in good sleep.

[@Love2Wander]

I am a warm sleeper the air pad i sleep on only has a 2r and i have been down to 27°

[@barbarahultman5450]

Is there anything out there, that you're aware of, that has the thermal of the XTherm but wider?

[@BackcountryExposure]

There is a Max version of the Xtherm that is wider.

[@jenspetersen672]

nice experiment - good job

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

Thanks for the video! It's good to have your thoughts on the pads, but I've got to know; what is that groundsheet you are using? The rigid sides are intriguing.

[@BackcountryExposure]

Thanks! It’s a bathtub floor from Luxe Hiking Gear

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

@@BackcountryExposure jumping Jehosephat, I'm pretty sure this is the fastest I have ever gotten a reply from a KZbinr on a vid, & _definitely_ the fastest on a vid 6 days old. Go you w. that viewer engagement! Thanks for the info; now...it's hunting season. ;-) Happy New Year!

[@glennoptsoutside]

Have you looked at the large Xtherm MAX? The advantages of the xtherm with the shape of a Tensor pad.

[@BackcountryExposure]

I have looked at it online, but that's as far as I've got with it.

[@glennoptsoutside]

@@BackcountryExposure I like the rectangular shape, like the Tensor pad. I think the 2020 large version is R-6.9, but previous versions seem to have been R-5.7 or something like that.

[@jojowoods3932]

The newest version of the xtherm which i just picked up like 2 months ago is now a 9.6 or something like that. Loving it

[@jojowoods3932]

And its nothing like a potato chip bag

[@hrrsrls]

6.9 you mean

[@kimrobb1965]

So worth it

[@Mtlk77]

Just tested my new one out this weekend and it had a sloooowww leak which became apparent at 2am. Sending to their warranty shop tomorrow

[@BackcountryExposure]

Ah dang, that's never fun. Good luck!

[@Mtlk77]

@@BackcountryExposure thanks! And that’s what the test night was for. Just the woods behind a relative’s house so it doesn’t happen on trail

[@jamesaphotography1286]

Great review , thanks.

[@BackcountryExposure]

Thanks!

[@Hector_Outdoors]

Love my Xtherm.

[@BackcountryExposure]

👍🏼

[@BigDawgCAM]

I’m glad you mentioned the lack of comfort as a side-sleeper. I wish I had known that before I purchased the XLite. As an almost-exclusively side sleeper, I was absolutely miserable for several nights until I finally had to admit it was the pad. I would 100% recommend the Nemo Tensor or the S2S Etherlight over the XLite/XTherm for side-sleepers

[@eda5670]

@backcountryexsposure Be careful- your sponsor may soon sue you or send a cease&desist order from their attorney for the unauthorized use of their trademarked word. They feel that they own it. That’s how they treat other small guy businesses.

[@juliannacyr3538]

Very helpful!

[@BackcountryExposure]

Thanks!

[@nicktombs1876]

Exped do the best winter sleep pads.

[@anthonycampbell1913]

Until the baffles blow.

[@nicktombs1876]

@@anthonycampbell1913 you can say that about any pad, especially Thermorest ones.

[@anthonycampbell1913]

Nick Tombs I haven’t heard of a thermarest blowing the baffles?

[@nicktombs1876]

@@anthonycampbell1913 everyone else has.

[@rogerallen665]

Roll it from the foot to deflate. Don’t stack it

[@beered4395]

I am a side sleeper and find that by letting air kut when i lay down i don't slide off. Even though the mat is under inflated it still provides a really warm sleep

[@BackcountryExposure]

Right on!

[@Haphagurd]

I love my xtherm. I've camped on snow in -12 and stayed warm. Also used it on bare ground no ground tarp or anything. Probably my highest quality piece of kit.

[@BackcountryExposure]

Heck yeah! I know how much you love the cold too. :)

[@YankeeWoodcraft]

Answer: Yes.

[@BackcountryExposure]

👍🏼

[@azclaimjumper]

I had the Neoair Xlite briefly & it was OK. I was able to exchange it by paying Cascade Designs the additional $40.00 for an XTherm, something I should have done in the first place. In addition to the noticeable higher body heat reflection, I like the thicker (70D) material on the "ground" side of the XTherm which reduces the puncture air leak problem with any thinner material used on the ground side of other brands of air mattresses. I have a loss of hearing so "noise" on the Xlite or the XTherm has never been an issue with me. Thank you for showing/demonstrating the comparison with the Nemo. I am a side sleeper, & turn from one side to the other side all night long. I don't have any quilts, I sleep comfy warm inside my Western Mountaineering Antelope (Gore Wind Stopper Outer fabric) which is rated @5º; Yes, I'm comfy warm when the atmospheric temperature is 5ºF or higher. I'm 5'3" & weigh 110#; the size of the XTherm is just right for lil ole MEeee. The "trick" is not fully inflating the XTherm but inflating it enough to keep my hips off the ground.

[@BackcountryExposure]

Thanks! Yeah I don't know why it took me so long to get one, but happy to have it and get it out there the next few months!

[@azclaimjumper]

@@BackcountryExposure I suspect the XTherm is near the top of the criminal elements wish list of things to steal so be careful & keep your eye on it when out in the boonies. I've added my name & phone # in highly visible black felt pen letters/numbers in hopes they are a deterrent. Actually, I have all my equipment identified with my name & phone # & I use permanent ink black felt pens.

[@azclaimjumper]

@@BackcountryExposure This is off topic, however, I thought you might like to know about the coin tube I use to provide protection of my Soto Windmaster Stove when I'm carrying it in my backpack. Here is a link to a photo showing my Soto Windmaster, the 4-Plex pot holder, & a lighter inside the coin tube. There is a link in the photo you can click on if you're interested in the exact coin tube needed. www.flickr.com/photos/bc_az/50773895847/in/album-72157717283951098/

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

@@azclaimjumper yeah, I did this to my Outwell Dreamboat 16. It's 1cm thicker than the beefiest MegaMat model (... & is not for hiking, obvs.), cost me the better part of AU$350 pre-shipping, & I'm pretty sure if anyone ripped it off (tho they'd need a car nearby), I'd literally weep. You have to protect your investments.

[@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867]

Yup! I just got one this past week and it is amazing