Is the Toyota GR86 Worth Buying? 1-Year Owner’s Review

[@EctoPlasmic]

I literally just got my car after a year of waiting for it. It will be my daily, as a single guy and a keep forever car.

[@ADJ161996]

Man this statement hits differently. I am honestly confused on which car to get. Civic gives me practicality but i dont see myself settling down. I am turning 28 this year and it feels like this is the perfect time to buy my dream cqr GR 86.

[@morgandrives]

I’m 51 and picked up a 23 GR86 6 months ago. It’s my only car and I love it. As you say, this is the best driver’s car out there. Price, handling, rwd, manual, hand brake, light - all perfect. I had a Mustang GT which sounds better by far, and I’ve had a few Audi vehicles. The GR86 blows them all away. And I won’t be tracking it. So for a 20 something single, a 50 year old married, or a person with multiple vehicles, it is simply the best. Going to check out your channel, as this is the first time you popped up in my feed. 👍

[@sunnyvalentino]

I had a 6th gen GT as well for 7 years which I modified with Steeda and GT350 parts, turod a 86. Doesn't sound the same but as a drivers car it's infinitely better.

[@Nefariouz]

Hmm also thinking to downsize from my Musatang GT to a GR86 (just downsized to a small house/garage too). Worried I'll miss the roar of the V8 though 🥲

[@weesnaww]

I too was thinking of trading my Mustang GT for a GR86. I've had the 2015 model for 9 years. Absolutely love the V8 roar and power, but want more fun and nimble characteristics. Ideally I would love to have both but it's not practical.

[@morgandrives]

@@weesnaww I hear you - wanted to keep my Mustang too, but can only afford one fun car (have an old Toyota for nasty weather days and quick errands). The back end in the GR86 is quick to break loose, but much easier to control (at least for me). But like you, I really miss that V8 sound. Wonder if a coyote would fit in the GR86?!

[@weesnaww]

​@@morgandriveslol most definitely not 😂. But I wouldn't want to weigh it down with that beast. I too used to have an old Toyota, a '98 Camry with the V6. Loved that thing too. It just started rusting away underneath and I sold it when the brake lines went. Engine ran great at a quarter million miles, just ate a little bit of oil. Now it's the Mustang year round. I have the performance pack and it's a pretty stiff ride for every day.

[@Bazoozoos]

After looking at all possible cars to buy, there is nothing like the GR86.

[@CruiseControl1]

Miata

[@nn99nn99]

@@CruiseControl1Miata ain't it

[@CruiseControl1]

@@nn99nn99 For me it is

[@BitcoinTo100K]

Until it goes boom 💥

[@rubenII]

Base cayman 981?

[@Club-Version]

The oil starvation issue is what prompted me to sell my GR86 and buy an FL5 Type R. I’ve done two track days already and don’t regret a thing!!

[@hhaste]

You can fix starvation by replacing the oil pan with an aftermarket one, if/when one exists. It's not really a worry on the street but definitely is on a track.

[@jaspis4167]

​@@hhastethey Tested baffles oil Pans and still experience the starvation as it is Not a Pickup Problem but how the engine IS constructed inside

[@Aglai76]

​@hhaste which one? I've followed this issue extensively closely & nothing *I've seen* truly fixes it to a level that would give me 100% reassure

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

​@AnthonyTrifoglio there's a guy that put an accumulator on his and mitigated oil pressure issues.

[@19hundoc47]

He sold his car that’s under factory warranty because of the engine lol

[@alexandram9477]

Idk, I'd feel just as concerned about regularly abusing 20 year old S2000 on track 12-18x/year. It seems like the aftermarket will find a range of solutions for the oiling issues, probably relatively soon. If I had the $ I'd get a spec miata and a trailer for track days but I'm keeping my BRZ!

[@Rob165x]

Same. This is why people have dedicated track cars. Abuse is abuse, and I'm not doing it on my daily. =P

[@NoHoHank]

Full send on my GR86…. 20 track days and counting… no baffle, no cooler, no problems

[@Rob165x]

Thanks. It gives me some comfort that some people have tracked it many times no problem (relatively, doesn't mean the issue wasnt there). It's my daily, would've been nice to track, but not a deal breaker. Keeping my BRZ, if I did track it, maybe I'd be a little conservative.

[@NoHoHank]

@@Rob165x yeah dude enjoy it and send it!! As long as you let the engine warm up properly and keep your eyes on oil level (dipstick) every now and then you should be golden

[@hhaste]

@@NoHoHank Bad advice, imo. Without changing your stock oil pan for an aftermarket one, it's only a matter of time before you get starvation from high G turns. Oil level is irrelevant, the stock baffling allows the oil to slosh to one side of the engine during hard turns, which causes oil pressure issues and starvation, leading to a blown engine. Aftermarket oil pan and _then_ you're golden.

[@NoHoHank]

@@hhastenot advice just giving my data point

[@Arnie3]

@@hhasteI’m very close to buying one. This problem is the only one I’m worried about. If an aftermarket oil pan is the fix, please let me know which is the best because I do not know much about the mechanical parts of Subaru/toyota cars.

[@ArmySigs]

Ordered mine a year ago and it arrives next week!! Not concerned about the oiling issue at all as I have already designed and made my own custom oil pan for the car to eliminate the problem (tested on a friend's 86)

[@Aglai76]

You should give that design to 900BRZ to test

[@iJakku]

I don't blame you, I was so closed to buying one myself but the worries I have for its future held me back. Maybe I'll buy a High mileage one in the far future. For now I settled on a gr corolla.

[@sid1852]

What worries are you talking about

[@sidneymisenheimer510]

Bro I feel ya on the s2000 being hardcore, I feel that's all my 23 gr86 is missing. All these new cars feel restricted. I sold my 06 s2000 a few years ago and man do miss it. Don't get me wrong, I love the 86 and how smooth it is, but the s2000 made you feel like "race car"

[@ruturaj47]

I have BRZ, which does address one issue, throttle mapping. As for the replacement, I would get NC2 Miata, ND2 is faster but feels too loose. Plus in future NC2 might get K24 swap kits just in case engine blows. 😅 I am not worried about the engine blowing up on mine. If it blows up, I will replace it, chances do seem pretty low to me. 6-8k for rebuilding with a short block isn't expensive, might as well go for K24 swap. I have another car and am planning to get 3rd and maybe even 4th. I started doing track days this year and am planning to do 6-12 a year and have similar mods as you, camber bolts, brakes etc and doing wheels and tires later but nothing as grippy as you did, just 4S.

[@garrettstupperware3754]

The BRZ has different throttle mapping?

[@SkyGardner]

My Camry just broke down in NY after a friend’s wedding. Was stuck test driving cars for 2 weeks until I find out how crazy NJ and NY taxes are. So I get a ride back to SC and, tired of dealing with dealerships, I ordered a low mile 2013 brz off carvana. I figure out that night 80% of the body panels had been replaced and they didn’t match the original color correctly. Car was a salvage they sold as a clean title so needed to return it. Tanked my credit a bit but I fell in love with the car from the week driving it. Looking to figure out a ride to work for a month or 2 and then buying a new gr86. I do love the Neptune blue color so if you are looking to sell lmk or lmk what dealer you trade it into 🙏😂 Is my dream car

[@AWDRIFTO]

It seems as though the engine issues are quite overblown and Toyota has been warrantying all issues thus far, so I am not concerned about it at all. I daily an EV, so this car is for canyon runs and the occasional autocross. In 10 years it will likely still have less than 30k on the clock so I am excited to ring it out on the weekends until it blows up. :)

[@aroundomaha]

As a current owner the engine issue gives me pause. It would help if Subaru would talk about it realistically and openly. Maybe there isn’t an issue but their weasel worded responses raise more concerns than they address.

[@dirkvantroyen9170]

10 year Toyota warranty guarantees that they will fix any issue. Besides, these engine issue stories are wildly blown up

[@aroundomaha]

@@dirkvantroyen9170 Nice pun I see what you did there. All I know is that SCCA competitors at the 2023 Solo Nationals are concerned about it, and whether warrantees will be honored if problems emerge. There is data to show that there is an issue.

[@dirkvantroyen9170]

@@aroundomaha OK then you know more than me. I haven't heard of cases where Toyota didn't (eventually) fix engine issues within warranty

[@hhaste]

You can fix starvation by replacing the oil pan with an aftermarket one, if/when one exists. It's not really a worry on the street but definitely is on a track. The starvation is due to the stock baffling. The only other issue is the excess RTV sealant.

[@Rob165x]

As a single guy and my only car I plan on keeping mines, I think it's too good of a car. Yes, there's the oil pressure problem on hard right turns, but that's mainly a track issue. It would have been fun to track it, I was looking forward to one day doing it, but it's such a niche thing for it being my daily. Tracking is not something to take lightly anyways, and you should prepare a car for that kind of abuse. But it's not going to stop me from hooning in it until there's a possible fix (I know it's not an easy one). I also look at the value this car is going to hold because there's nothing else in the category at the moment. A Miata is a compromissed daily and everything else is too heavy. Soon everything will be electric or hybrid, and I'll look back and miss this car.

[@jubbalandcars]

Well said. It’s a special car for sure

[@hhaste]

It actually _is_ an easy fix, just an aftermarket oil pan.

[@digitalsmithy]

quality vids as always

[@jubbalandcars]

Ty

[@enekoprins]

I ordered a GR86 in January here in Spain and it's probably going to take a full year for it to be produced and delivered. From January until now I went from feeling incredibly fortunate to be one of the 400 future owners in the whole country to really considering canceling my order because of this reliability issue. I won't be tracking the car regularly, hardly ever, but this will be my daily driver and I can also not afford a full engine failure, ever!! I bought a Toyota/Subaru because they are supposed to be super reliable.

[@NightKidBrandon]

I own one, I say cancel it. Wait for kouki/facelift model. They will sort this out most likely without even telling us to avoid lawsuits. Oiling system is worse than prior gen

[@veefource]

If hardly ever tracking the car I'd say stick with your order and just daily drive until a fix comes along for the oiling issue. It's a special car and well worth holding out for imo

[@brasp]

i beat the shit out of mine for 7860 miles before selling it to get into something more practical. I really would not worry about engine issues, the car has a warranty for a reason.

[@adamscenna]

Don't listen to the haters. This car is awesome. the oil issue is way overblown and only really affects if you are heavily tracking this car. Way more practical than a Miata too. Actually has usable trunk space. worst thing you can do is watch too many of these videos lol. Good luck :)

[@Zeraks]

@@NightKidBrandon We in the EU are not going to get a hypothetical facelift model, the car has been sold for two years only due to stricter safety regulations coming next summer... it's pretty sad.

[@hatteras33]

send in an oil analysis. I've had my 86 for over a year now. Only one track day. Only mods are an exhaust and the tomei baffle. Oil analysis gave me a lot of peace of mind.

[@jubbalandcars]

That doesn’t do anything for engine failure issue. Having a clean oil analysis doesn’t mean when I track it next the engine won’t blow

[@Jabin04]

I'll be very happy if this car gets a fix for the engine issue. I'm wondering if an engine swap is worth it when the engine does blow eventually. Like everything else about the platform is great except the engine

[@thatpersiandude7386]

Im on the edge every damn day thinking about buying one or just stick with a later model first gen

[@Rob165x]

@@thatpersiandude7386 If you don't plan on tracking it the oil pressure issue shouldn't be that big a concern.

[@hhaste]

You can fix starvation by replacing the oil pan with an aftermarket one, if/when one exists. It's not really a worry on the street but definitely is on a track. The starvation is due to the stock baffling.

[@hhaste]

@@thatpersiandude7386 Definitely this new one.

[@Jabin04]

@@hhaste yup I bought the car hoping to grow with it on the track, keeping fingers crossed for a solution

[@CruiseControl1]

I had a 2022 GR86 Premium in Neptune Blue and sold it in November of last year. First of all I loved the way it looked (maybe a little too much). For a modern car it drove great, smooth inputs, easy to either maintain traction or have a controlled slide. The steering feel was non existent though. I sold mine with 6,000 miles on it and I bought an NB Miata as it’s replacement. Apart from styling I by far prefer to drive this Miata with its proper steering feel, only weighs 2,299lbs and the most important for me is it’s fun at any speed. I also considered an s2000 and I prefer the ap1 over the ap2 with its more aggressive setup. However for me the NB Miata won me over with its lighter weight and steering feel. I can add power by either kswap kit, supercharger, turbo or na build if I need more acceleration. What keeps me in the Miata is how it feels to drive and for the price nothing compares. Though I do want to drive a Honda Beat.

[@silvenshadow]

Former FRS daily, and BRZ waitlisted. If you're looking for more focused vehicle, you could mod the 86 or go Cayman, but imho taking on a classic car like the S2K is more project than driving. As a driver first, I considered it but I'd rather spend my time and money hooning than wrenching.

[@willbobig]

My wife has a CX50 and I am contemplating a GR 😂.. For a non-track guy, would you still be concerned over long term engine reliability? Would plan to keep for minimum 10 years, below average annual mileage.

[@gamertimefriend1286]

The platform is a fantastic one, maybe instead of looking to replace the car, maybe K Swap, or even better a rotary swap if you’re looking for pure track performance

[@Zeraks]

I mean, his main issue with the car is engine reliability under hardcore track use, a rotary swap would only make the situation worse.

[@shivenreddy5328]

Please keep the GR86 and make it OEM+. That’s just my personal opinion! You’re the guy making me buy this car! Hahahah

[@uswr2848]

Whats oem+

[@Rob165x]

@@uswr2848 means keep it stock but add things that look original or factory. Like the ducktail and TRD/STi trim pieces.

[@deej628]

Great vid! I had a 13 frs for almost 3 years and loved the heck out of it. Had an 18 wrx since and now a 17 Golf R. I see you have the Uniden rd. Does the new gen have the hidden extra cig adapter in side the back of the glovebox? That’s where I ran mine on the frs. Thank you for your content!

[@Rob165x]

It's not an extra lol, but yes the one is there, it's hard to see it, it's pretty hidden in the glovebox and you'd never know unless told. Not that hard to hide the wiring through it though since there's a gap above the box. Feels they just put it to not make people upset of not having one. Even though I never see anyone use it for its intended purpose, they still use it for accesories.

[@strangebirdwatcher]

If I was in your position I’d try to be patient to find a good deal on a more hardcore FR car (s2000 or c6 corvette) to swap for your gr86. And while your waiting, if a company finds a true fix for the GR86 on track engine issues, then you can reevaluate whether you truly want to keep the gr86.

[@hhaste]

The true fix is just an aftermarket oil pan.

[@strangebirdwatcher]

@@hhaste which aftermarket oil pan? from what I see no oil pan has helped so far.

[@brasp]

I enjoyed my GR86 for the 9 months that i owned it. Such a fun car, ended up selling it to go back to a 2019 GTI since it makes more sense for my current life.

[@kylechavez7961]

Hows the gti?

[@brasp]

leagues better than the 86 as a commuter, and more fun in 90% of scenarios because of the torque But I definitely miss the driving position and how great it drove on a backroad! @@kylechavez7961

[@Aglai76]

I will never understand selling a RWD for a FWD If you said you replaced it with a Golf R, I'd understand

[@brasp]

then you may be confused as to what a Golf R is.. not only would a 7.5 be about the price it was new with 30,000 miles but its also at the end of the day still a FWD car with FWD dynamics. I've got my summer toy coming soon and I didnt love the 86 for that be the "fun" car@@Aglai76

[@yyalbert4756]

I fully agree with your argument: the 86/brz is not as attractive if you got a dedicated daily driver. The BRZ is amaziing as a do-everything-car for a young boy/girl. I just sold my 14 BRZ last month for a NC2 miata, for the same reason as you: I recently got a cx-50 turbo as my daily, and the BRZ's driving experience is just not special enough: lakcluster engine, worse-than-cx50_steering, etc. Though Miata is a downgrade in some other's opinion, it provide an unmatched top-down experience, The 1st gen 86/brz might still be a wonderful 2nd car if you heavily modify it and make it a canyon/track toy though.

[@BitcoinTo100K]

2.5 swap it 😊

[@yyalbert4756]

@@BitcoinTo100K that's actually on my long term list.

[@BitcoinTo100K]

@yyalbert4756 Very nice I absolutely love mine don't shut up about it lol

[@jubbalandcars]

NC2 is definitely a contender. Well said

[@calvinspires1220]

ND2 club would be my choice for a track car, but I'm 5'8" 130lbs. I'm a current 7 year owner of a FRS that I track about 4 times a year. The engine issues have me not even considering the GR86 sadly...but I may K swap the FRS when she dies eventually. Would you consider an Elise, or too expensive? Drivers cars are getting too hard to come by 😢

[@TT92348]

Agreed, if it’s a second car/track car ND2 is the way to go. If you need a dual daily / fun car GR86. The most slept on track car at the moment is the NC2/3 Miata IMO. More reliable than ND2, higher mod ceiling, and hydraulic steering.

[@ruturaj47]

​@@TT92348exactly, NC2/NC3 would be my choice as well. Plus k-swap would be easily available.

[@TT92348]

@@ruturaj47 K Swap NC seems like a monster. S2000 with more predictable handling and better steering. Lighter weight even

[@ruturaj47]

@@TT92348 exactly, plus I wonder if transmission and diff from s2k could be used as well. Built k24 would be a high revving monster for sure.

[@BlackNAVYAmericanVET]

TheMX5 is super super reliable , and beautiful. ND2 Gen . The 86 is nice however the gasket issue needs to addressed NOW .

[@jubbalandcars]

RTV isn’t causing the engine failures

[@omarscott8122]

How was the experience from anyone who bought a car out of state ? Did you drive or fly? I’m curious because it’s something I may be doing in the near future

[@jubbalandcars]

Flew one way. Drove back 6 hours

[@Indifference2000]

I'm trying to see what ppl think as far as age goes for owning a GR86. I'm 41 going on 42. I would love a GR86. But for my age i feel like i should be driving something like a Z or Supra but those cars are way out of my budget especially with the markups. My other vehicle is a Honda passport for the family. I do have 2 other cars in the garage but they don't see the road often. Which is why i want something that's not gonna break the bank and still be fun to drive. I guess my question is am i too old for a GR86?

[@jubbalandcars]

Nope no such thing as too old for this car. Just as long as you can get in and out ok

[@anthonycraig8411]

I’m 62.......... should be getting mine in June. ........Go for it .

[@axxwhitecivic1233]

Anyone know what kind of phone holder is the one he has

[@islanddon865]

Nice car. Miata competitor. Comparable price. Miata is tough to beat.

[@triggerhappyreviews]

Dumb question but what is the phone mount you are using? I can't find one that doesn't use adhesive.

[@fidrat24]

Why do people want to mount a phone when they have android auto/apple carplay?

[@triggerhappyreviews]

@@fidrat24 because it’s a wired connection and if you have a passenger there’s nowhere for the phone. Not difficult.

[@veefource]

Doesn't sun block make running a convertible viable or is it a bit too much of a pain? I think it's worth it but then I live in England so it's hardly a common task 😂

[@stevebrule6172]

have you tried it against the Miata?

[@_kelso9959]

Im 16. Would this be a good first car?

[@pol.86]

The link for the ranking index of the cars you've driven is broken, or is it just me?

[@daniellocke9534]

No more GR 86,no more Jubbal & Cars

[@jamestuber2024]

Did you disable ASC?

[@avery4528]

How much are you trying to sell it for?

[@snowrang3r657]

I drive a 2023 BRZ mostly because of the practicality. Usually drive the SUV (a CX-5 so not too dissimilar to your setup…) when other people or long distances are involved but also nice to know kids or dog can fit in the BRZ in a pinch. If I didn’t have all that responsibility… well I’d probably have a ND2 Miata likely in RF form. Yeah it’s a bit softer to begin with but with some mods that’s not too hard to fix. I guess depends what kind of racing you’re doing and what mods you’re allowed to do to stay within certain classes. S2000, NA/NB Miata are also good options. Depending on budget maybe even an Elise?

[@jubbalandcars]

Emira is on the way. My plan is to have a FR MR and RR sports car in the garage. Right now FR will likely be S2K. RR will be the last. 911 of some sort

[@PlunneCeleste]

Hi! I think you should wait for the next gen which will probably embed an electric or hybrid motorisation, that will fix the reliability cz way way better than full mecanic engines, and you'll be right if it matches with you and even if it doesn't you'll be able to flex to s2k or miata, you have the time, take it. ^w^

[@Pharaoh_The_Great]

I would consider going back to an frs… the gr86 is a great car and all but it’s still too new. I think after the hype goes away and the prices are down then the gr86 would be a newer s chassis. But for now I’d say frs or maybe a 350z, rx7 fc, 240 hatch. Something like that… Miata’s are so overrated and very tiny RC cars. Not practical as a daily. I do think they are better than an s2k which is another overrated car.

[@nn99nn99]

Keep the GR.

[@arcelivez]

Generally it's funny how people get spooked by the RTV issue for the GR86 (even those who have owned the GT86 for a long time before the GR86) if the GT86/Scion FRS/old BRZ actually always had it and had a worse oil pickup tube design than the GR86 does...

[@jubbalandcars]

We see issues in the second gen not first gen with this issue

[@hhaste]

I would *_never_* take a stock Subaru on a track, like you have, with the stock oil pan/pick-up tube etc.. That's what causes the oil pressure issues and subsequent failures. You can basically get rid of any worry of engine failure by replacing the oil pan with an aftermarket one (if anyone makes one, yet. I'd imagine IAG will be, if they don't, already). The stock baffling causes oil to slosh to one side of the engine, causing starvation/low oil pressure. You see it happening more often because Toyota is giving owners track days with the purchase of the car. High G force turns on stock oil pans is going to cause a lot of failures.

[@jubbalandcars]

It’s a risk that has gotten more attention recently for good reason. And it’s given many of us pause

[@zixilu0131]

Just go buy a S2000 and you will never miss your GR86 for a single bit.

[@abcwarrior91]

Never been a fan of s2000 if I have to go Honda I go Integra type r dc2 best Honda ever shouldn't have sold mine years ago now I have a gr86 and it reminded me so much of my Integra both so raw focus driver car no turbo manual 2 door coupe style and looks great.

[@zixilu0131]

@@abcwarrior91 I love DCs too, I actually love all cars that created by Shigeru Uehara, but no car was built to please everybody, so there’s really no need to debate. I just found that I had the very similar experience and personal interest with Kevin, so just trying share my own opinion.

[@jubbalandcars]

I think s2k is the way. I wouldn’t want to do FF for my dedicated fun track toy

[@zixilu0131]

​@@jubbalandcars Agreed! I watched all your S2K videos multiple times and I can really tell how much love you have for this car as a 86/BRZ owner because I was on the exact same path. Last year I finally pulled the trigger on a 05 AP2, and now I'm a happy man because I finally OWN that enjoyment after dreaming about this car for more than a decade. As The Topher mentioned in his last S2K video, he doesn't even understand why he waited that long to finally get one of these. So don't wait, go get one!!! (PS. The market will likely be more softer this coming winter than the last one, you can see the recent trend on BaT, I'm actually looking for a 02-03 AP1 as my 2nd S2K, just want to own the whole package, inspired by your friend in the AP1/AP2 comparison video 😉)

[@65hi863dhyu]

​​​@@abcwarrior91I had an AP2. Poor steering feel and a limp chassis that simply isn't rigid had me disagreeing with the internet for both road & track. Low slide controlability. Prefer the RX8 chassis from the same era. Owned both. Also had an Evora. The Emira will be like its sent from God.

[@rocfella]

28k$? crazy cheap there in US and no brainer. Try 42k$ in EU. 😖

[@squareenixffost]

I already got rid of it. I am not going to continue to be played by Subaru and Toyota.

[@uswr2848]

What happened to you

[@abcwarrior91]

Sounds like bad break up lol

[@Barbwire710]

@@abcwarrior91😂

[@dirkvantroyen9170]

Doesn't everyone get 10 year warranty at Toyota (if you let the dealer do the yearly maintenance)? If so, why even worry about the small chance of an oil starvation issue? Toyota will repair it for free.

[@jubbalandcars]

Not 10 years. Also usually not covered

[@dirkvantroyen9170]

@@jubbalandcars Oh. We get 10 years, well, 1 year after each maintenance at Toyota up until 10 years after purchase. Do you know many cases where Toyota didn't cover engine issues?

[@FreshSav]

It's kind of funny really.. The Toyota/Subaru collaboration is going much worse than the collaboration with Toyota/BMW(supra). Who would have figured, with all the screaming 14 year olds complaining on the internet, you would have thought that BMW would have blown up on startup. Yet, it's the Subaru that is failing at low kms. As someone that owned a JDM WRX STi - that had classic subie engine failure - these flat engines in the GR86 from subaru are garbage.

[@GT-RTData9]

Hopefully the rumors are true and Toyota does away with that god awful Subaru engine. Throw the G16E in the next one and call it a day.

[@jubbalandcars]

I just don't want it to lose NA. Turbo lag would dilute the driving experience

[@Rob165x]

​@@jubbalandcars I find this engine is smooth and fast revving, which is great for a sports car. Yeah, it doesn't sound great, sometimes like a lawmower lol, but get rid of the fake engine noise and add an exhaust and it's pretty engaging. Fast revving NA though, that's that boxer magic.

[@dancooper6002]

An SUV is "practical" get out of here. SUVs are horrible designs that are impractical in almost every respect.

[@zydomason]

knock on wood? more like on rod

[@r6mt09]

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