Is the Vatican Preparing a Charismatic Mass?

[@Steveaux85]

Spanish speaking parishioners in our parish here in South Texas do this stuff. They do it in a parish hall building. Dim lit, candles, music. They wave hands in the air, cry, moan, and roll around on the ground. Bazaar. I call it conjuring…

[@glennso47]

You can call it anything but sensible. Please don’t call it that. It isn’t. I been there and done that and I will never go back. It’s very similar to a rock concert 🎵. I remember seeing a clip from one of JP2 World Youth Day and it looked like Woodstock.

[@WashingtonDC99]

The church I used to go in NW DC, there is a big Hispanic parishioners and they do that. I did not even know, and one time after 12pm Mass I was invited, I attended probably for 12 minutes and could not do it. I just wanted to run away as quickley as possible. I had to leave. I was not invited, again. That was like 6 years ago.

[@heartofjesusdj]

Sounds like syncretism. Therefore, it is witchcraft. I agree with you

[@Radtradslim]

@@heartofjesusdjya like Yoruba

[@johnchung6777]

You know I really think that these people are eating to much papayas and that’s why they are possessed with the papaya demon hee hee hee why can’t they See 👀😳🤔

[@TheTradDadShow]

Dear Rome, Can we freely practice the glorious and beautiful traditions of the Church? Thank you

[@aloyalcatholic5785]

Vatican response: Shushamama, shushamama...

[@glennso47]

You can practice anything you want but don’t practice traditional Catholicism. The modern Vatican won’t allow that. So do it anyway. 😊

[@legiomariae4961]

​@@aloyalcatholic5785no papaya for you!

[@RockerfellerRothchild1776]

As a Celestial Catholic I have no obedience to the terrestrial church.

[@ImToastAlso]

Of course we can’t. It’s the real deal and they don’t want it.

[@lovesrlady2]

Just when you think it can not possibly get any worse. It does.😟

[@deconbob5454]

Agreed!

[@Marcia-fw3wz]

In 2008 I went to a seven week Life in the Spirit Seminar at the nearby NO parish, mainly to see what it was about. But I never joined them because as a convert it reminded me of Pentacostal Protestantism dressed up to appear Catholic. It was loud and emotional, they looked like they were trying to manipulate the Holy Spirit, and like many other heretical innovations, they claimed it was how the early Christians worshipped. Today I'm grateful to be in the TLM where my journey as a Catholic began seventy years ago, and God is worshipped with reverence and dignity. ❤

[@lindastanford7096]

My former NO parish had some influential women who went all in for Mary Healy, offering to “pray over” parishioners following Mass each Sunday. These same women were offering workshops in the Holy Spirit. Out of curiosity, I went to one session-it was lame and ridiculous. So thankful to have found the SSPX!

[@littlerock5256]

The SSPX has been gravitating toward the novus ordo.

[@edukaeshn]

What do you mean by that?​@@littlerock5256

[@murphyfamily6927]

It's giving... Suzan from the Parish Council is now in charge of Music Ministry for the entire church.

[@kerrytakashi12]

The charismatic show I usually see are people holding out their arms when the Priest does. They even hold hands with family members. I just returned to Catholicism and it shocked me to see this revival tent practice in the church.

[@NinasLittleWhimsytoes]

I recently returned and see this too. I feel like I am in a protestant church. Between all those lay Eucharistic ministers and that upraised hand holding going on, my stomach turns. Call me anti social, but I don't like the sign of peace too much either. It all causes me anxiety. Something is very wrong. I also get anxiety if I see a guest priest celebrating the mass. I worry about causing a spectacle because I want communion on the tongue. Basically, NO masses make me nervous but, because I am visually impaired, I cannot drive to a TLM. For now I am stuck.

[@kerrytakashi12]

@@NinasLittleWhimsytoes I don't care about making a spectacle. I kneel in front of the priest and take communion on the tongue. No priest in my parish has ever refused. I'm female and also wear a church veil. Heck, if people can wave their arms around then I can kneel to receive communion.

[@eft94530]

​@@kerrytakashi12 Take communion.. no Receive communion .. yes

[@kerrytakashi12]

@@eft94530oh bravo. You made a correction. Do you have anything to add to the conversation?

[@greyhoundmama2062]

It's not Catholicism. It's the new Vatican II religion. You have to go to one of the sedevecantist groups like CMRI or the priests of St. Gertrude the Great to find the actual Catholic faith. Even the SSPX still recognized Francis as being a true pope. That's impossible. A real Pope cannot deny Christ.

[@joeryan4376]

The Charismatic Renewal was much more than 'speaking in tongues'. In the 1970's and 80's, it became a counterculture that formed communities of Catholics who physically moved into into neighborhoods to support Catholic values. Yes, it included emotional expression, but also, had a diocesan priest at all activities to provide guidance. Mass was central with Wednesday prayer meetings. Men's and Women's groups met weekly to help support Christian values. Christian teachings were provided weekly... usually on Saturday. Families would also share a Lord's Day meal Saturday evening. It was a very real push-back against secular cultural values as well as complacency/apathy. There was never a denial of the sacraments. It was a call to live a more committed Catholic christian life. A Catholic priest once said to me, " The Church is changing, and yet, changeless." Let us pray for our Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests. Jesus will not abandon His Church.

[@youkokun]

Our Legion of Mary does this kind of evangelizing work, a meeting, Mass and then work on Saturday. I suggest anyone curious about it ask your priest and bishop about a presidium near you. The meeting structure is very ordered. The only thing I'm not fond of is the translation of the Magnificat but it's ok, everything else is as traditional as your priest makes it.

[@teresafera-garcia5993]

There's no need for all these others groups, go to to Mass and pray the rosary at home. Stop with lay people women doing prayer groups and dinners. If you want that go join a sewing group or men's group. This is not part of God's Holy Catholic Church. Resist it all and those who seek to change her.

[@barbarafusco9141]

I am 83 and was very positively affected by the charismatic renewal of the time. I am in agreement with your assessment and experience.

[@ekrewer]

When I was a child/teen in the late 70s and early 80s, my mom and I were very much into the charismatic movement. At that time, the charismatic Catholics seemed to be among the MOST orthodox and serious about their faith. They were NOT the ones clamoring for women priests, "inclusive" language in reference to God, altar girls, etc. They believed very much in the Real Presence, devotion to Mary and other aspects of Catholic faith. Later in her life Mom and her friends, and myself also, moved away from charismatic prayer groups and into Eucharistic adoration, Divine Mercy, and more traditional devotions. Had a "Charismatic Mass" been introduced 35 or 40 years ago, mom (who passed away 15 years ago) and I would have been thrilled. Now it's like "Oh no, this is awful, this is terrible, this is heretical...." and maybe it is. What joeryan4376 seems to be referring to is a "covenant community", which was much more intensive than just weekly prayer meetings or occasional charismatic conferences/retreats. Some of these communities had serious problems and abuses later on but others functioned pretty well.

[@archangelliii2536]

@@teresafera-garcia5993 The question we need to ask is, are they going against the Lord and opposing Church teachings? If the answer is No then...those who are not against Him are with Him. Let them be!

[@glennso47]

Has anyone given that woman a papaya? In another video there is a clip of a woman saying repeatedly “papaya,papaya, papaya.,!”

[@DJPTEXAS]

She is still waiting.....

[@archangelliii2536]

@@glennso47 😂😅🤣😆

[@greyhoundmama2062]

That's not Mary Healy. The papaya lady is one of the founders of the "Catholic Pentacostal" or "Renewal" movement. She and her husband went to a Protestant minister for laying on of hands and got the "holy spirit".

[@bradleycullum]

Great ! Can’t wait to read the book

[@loganmisiak5573]

I really don't understand how anyone can defend Vatican 2 or these recent Popes! It's astonishing

[@littlerock5256]

The SSPX accepts the "recent popes" and 95% of Vatican II (although that's impossible).

[@kaybrown4010]

Or Vatican 1, for that matter.

[@anilyousafmasih1464]

Thank you for the beautiful video. Beyond the video let me tell you that I am an Assistant Warden of a boy's hostel in Pakistan which is named after yours "Kennedy Hall. I know it was another missionary with a similar name.

[@annahyokley9126]

During Communion today, I was meditating on how we receive the fullness of God in the Eucharist. Wherever Jesus is present, there too is the Father and Holy Ghost so in reality, when we receive our Lord, we receive the Triune God in his fullness. Why would we need to be baptized in the Holy Spirit in some external manner. There is no higher impartation of God's fullness of life in the Holy Spirit than at Holy Communion. End of the Story..

[@jamesMartinelli-x2t]

Perhaps the movement is overly spiritual and anti-corporeal ( anti body, anti- physical). It sounds like other heresies from the past.

[@lesliejamieson6781]

Because the Bible says so? I dunno.

[@LadyJane29030]

Just ordered your book Charismania. This has infiltrated our parish. So sad. Mary Healy & Keri Tarrant just spoke here. We went through this in Ann Arbor when it all began in the '60s. It split our parish at the same time we were being split up post Vat II. We lost our priests, our IHM sisters & school. Kyrie eleison.

[@LadyJane29030]

Recent talk by Keri Tarrant extolled Cardinal Suenens as leading Vatican proponent of the charismatic cult.. Search Cardinal Suenens in online Vatican archives. He was a leading Belgian opponent of Humanae Vitae. That is, pushing approval of contraception according to individual conscience, i.e. make up your own conscience regardless of what the Church has always taught. In truth, conscience reminds us of God's truth.

[@annahyokley9126]

Christ the King in Ann Arbor, MI, where Mary Healy leads the Upper Room Prayer meetings on Friday nights was formed as a Charismatic parish. They have a Charismatic Mass and have since their beginnings. She may very well be bringing that form to the Mass.

[@keepers...]

And was also in part responsible for getting rid of the TLM.

[@ekrewer]

A "charismatic Mass" as I remember it is simply a regular NO Mass interspersed with charismatic songs and periods of prayer (usually after Communion and/or during the Offertory) that include speaking in tongues and occasional spontaneous "prophecies" or messages from those moved to give them. It wasn't a different rite but the same NO rite we have now just done more exuberantly or "happy clappy".

[@keepers...]

The whole thing about persistent feminism in the hierarchy of the Church is very very sad. And Eve gave Adam to eat of the fruit of good and evil. The "spirit" made me do it.

[@seanmvcollins]

Yes they already have one. It is called the Novus Ordo "Mass"

[@DrJonathanGemmill]

Great show thank you 🔥👏😎! God bless, Ave Maria 🙏⛪⚓👑!

[@glennso47]

What about Protestants who don’t believe in original sin? And they don’t baptize their children until the children are older and able to request baptism for themselves? 😮

[@BRAD-o9b]

So Mount Rushmore is Doctor K, and Michael Davies. We need two more. Who are they Kennedy?

[@briangalway3520]

He is baptized to sanctify water so water is used in baptism

[@johnchung6777]

The sacrament of baptism in the Catholic Church is complete with the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit for its for confession forgiveness of one’s sins and the reconciliation to God through the Holy Spirit period there’s no other explanation and this has been taught from millenniums and centuries back

[@happylittletrees5668]

Your statement that the use of "interconnectedness" of the Body of Christ in the document "sounds like pantheism" at 11:50 is wrong. The Body of Christ is interconnected. Do you think it is not? What are we doing together as a church, then, unified by faith and Baptism? Interconnectedness and pantheism are not synonymous. Interconnectedness is a deep level of unity on a metaphysical level. Pantheism is the belief that reality, the universe and nature are identical to divinity or a supreme deity. That idea was not in the document that you read. I'm no fan of the charismatics, just a Traditionalist who appreciates truth and precision. It is getting more and more difficult to justify my time on Trad podcasts lately. I think I'm done.

[@keepers...]

Key: precision

[@archangelliii2536]

@@happylittletrees5668 Yeap. People like Kennedy might be well intended but they tend to go too far in their analysis at times. I agree with him in some of his arguments but he is so obsessed with his anti Charismatic movement rhetoric that sometimes he just makes things up to make his case. It doesn't. It backfires. You brought up a good example right there.

[@ckn9503]

She's a member of The Word of God community. She leads Friday night charasmatic prayer meetings held in their catholic church

[@celiahart1239]

John the Baptist stated that he did not know Jesus and that the one who sent him (God) told him to look for the sign. The dove coming down upon Jesus and hovering over Him was the sign he was supposed to be looking for so he would know that Jesus was the Christ. Doesn't that seem simple enough? How else was he to know? God used the dove as a sign!!! He states this in scripture!

[@MB-yy7mk]

Is there a way to purchase the audiobook without subscribing to audible?

[@MereTradition]

Yes it is available through my Substack

[@ngamashaka4894]

What it’s all about is mesmerism and animal magnetism. As hypnotherapists, we use these cults as examples of trances induced by such processes and the false beliefs that often accompany them. It is the placebo effect on a spiritual level. Very sad.

[@worldofthesupernatural]

I would also love to have you on my podcast. I will find your email and write you ❤

[@someperson5834]

The charismatic weirdness of a Steubenville conference when he was a freshman in high school led to my brother walking away from the faith, sadly.

[@johnchung6777]

Oh my a papaya oh shy a papaya oh why a papaya oh guy a papaya oh buy a papaya oh lying papaya ?🤔😳😯🙄

[@margarethnyamushonongora7522]

Amen

[@SS-qo3nt]

(title) "is the Vatican preparing a Charismatic mass" (me) "I don't know, I left RC Church including its Charismatic churches back in 1985 and don't plan on going back around to check " 😄

[@363catman]

Amen. We can discuss various points of view and beliefs, but why people invest so much energy and get worked up over a church they don't want anything to do with is beyond me.

[@johnchristiancanda3320]

The Happy-Clappy Mass.

[@elainemgardens874]

For crying out loud!! Jesus is the son of God ! Talk about taking away from his Divinity! 😢

[@colinjames9362]

I love the charismatic renewal - it brings so.much life to the Mass. Too many young people are leaving the church for this kind of worship, we pray.for a revival within our church.

[@marcusm359]

The novus ordo is already perfect for a charismatic mass haha

[@bonjour98]

Great video. Pope Benedict XVI resigned so that Jorge Bergoglio would become Pope.

[@Shelley_wald]

im done and out in so many ways....hence why im tuning in too a more Orthodox Perspective, esp here on the tube. The Catholic church is becoming so woke so to speak that it's just becoming a side show at the worst carnival ever. And the politics of it all . Jesus weeps

[@alessandragiammattei63]

I would like to translate your book into Spanish.

[@MW-eg4gu]

Charismatic comes orginally from Pentecostalism which started in the U.S. in about 1901. But my Pentecostal cousin says it has always been around through the centuries going back to Jesus, which is what most denominations claim for their churches. My cousin also said the Catholic Church is fake, which is what most denom ...........

[@tmalfieri1]

Please, no. 😢

[@janecormier7814]

So you’re the authority now on the charismatic renewal And you have decided in your authority that God disapproves of the day of pentacles. You also deny that John said he came baptizing with water, but Jesus with baptize with the Holy Spirit. By the way, I’m 87 and went into the charismatic renewal at 34 and has been a source of transformation and the love of the Catholic Church and its teaching in my life. When we were prayed over for the release of the Holy Spirit and it’s fullness not the receiving of the Holy Spirit, but releasing the Holy Spirit within us Through the power of the Holy Spirit at work from the day we were baptized as babies.

[@dariaschooler]

Holy Ghost does not operate that way.

[@shesintexas1198]

Cool if they do. I haven't been to a Charismatic Mass in years but I liked them. Okay, now tell me how horrible or misguided you think I am. Or you could just delete this comment.

[@marymutyaba6322]

I also enjoy Catholic Charismatic events. It's brought me closer to Jesus and more spiritually aware

[@Richard-yh4mx]

Don Kennedy

[@martintalbot875]

Let's hope not...all of it is a tad hard to swallow as is...did god create man...or...did man create god..???

[@nickproulx6650]

PAPAYA PAPAYA!!!

[@elainemgardens874]

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[@archangelliii2536]

Sorry Kennedy. Don't know what planet you come from but that already exists and has existed for decades sir. I grew up in that kind of environment. Although I never liked their style and now am a 100% Latin Tradition guy, they were in line with Church teachings for the most part. Their music was weird with drums, tambourines and stuff but their lyrics were 100% in line with Catholic Dogma sir. I'm sure there are other Charismatic movements out there that are less loyal to Catholic teachings but that is NOT all of them by any stretch sir. Now, I'm talking about 50 years ago, granted. Perhaps things have gotten worse out there also. Who knows. I lost contact with those folks a long time ago. But I can tell you my friend, no matter what, those Charismatic Masses cannot be worse than what we are sadly already witnessing today at Novus Ordo, I guarantee you!

[@Kepharocks]

I understand by your message here that you might not be receptive to contrary information. That being said, lyrics, prayers, and intentions that do not obey authentic reverence can not give nor receive grace/glory that is due Almighty God. I only offer this as an unworthy servant of Jesus Christ. My hope is for the salvation of all souls. May the gates of hell be closed so that nothing of God's creatures be damned.

[@archangelliii2536]

@Kepharocks I'm not receptive to falsehood, regardless of where it comes from. So that is totally irrelevant to counter arguing anybody's point since the assumption must be that I must be wrong and you are right. Ergo, your "understanding" is based on a misunderstanding. I know from my experience that the speaker (and you since I assume you agree with Mr. Kennedy on this one) is wrong on that one. Then, why should I be "receptive" of something that I believe to be wrong? That would be an oxymoron! Rather than assuming I am wrong, which you must, judging by the premise of your MISunderstanding, why not attempt to prove me wrong first??!! Ergo, your counterargument is flawed and leads nowhere but the satisfaction of your ego and nothing else.

[@Kepharocks]

@archangelliii2536 well, you know everything already. So I am completely inept.

[@archangelliii2536]

@Kepharocks Having said that, and to be more specific on the nature of my disagreement with the both of you, I don't think that just because you use drums or tambourines or what not, it follows the lyrics or message of a song or the sincerity of prayer and praise is flawed, which you clearly indicated. To take an extreme example to get my point across, Satan called Jesus the Son of God at least twice in the Gospels. Does that make his statement wrong or irrelevant because it came from the mouth of pure evil? Absolutely NO! Rather the INTENTIONS of Satan were dark and evil and that's why Jesus rebuked him in both instances. But his statement itself was right on, even if his intentions were not. Coming back down to the Charismatic Movement what you're arguing is that because they use protestant methodology in singing etc then what they say or pray must be at the very least irrelevant EVEN if it agrees with the Teachings of Holy Mother Church 100%. Nonsense!

[@archangelliii2536]

@@Kepharocks Whoa...did I hurt your pride??!!! Ooopsie Ooops! 😅 No sir (or M'am). What I'm saying to you is based on experience and the Teachings of the Holy Mother Catholic Church. Me? You're right. I by myself, know NOTHING!