Is there ANYTHING Redeeming Here? | "The Patriot" Review Part 0, Everything Good and Why It Matters

[@jerrysmooth24]

Well lock me in a church and burn it Brandon is finally reviewing the patriot

[@Reilly-Maresca]

Jerry Smooth minutes in and best comment’s been posted

[@arifakyuz7673]

Shhh spoilers

[@BrandonF]

Don't worry- this comment will be forgotten.

[@sumvs5992]

Macbeth is in power I suppose . . . . . . . . (If you don't get the joke, in the play Macbeth, the titular character becomes king of Scotland through regicide and as a result, nature turns, owls hunt Falcons, trained horses eat each other, day is extremely dark, etc.)

[@jamiekamihachi3135]

Well gloss over the subject of slavery in the most cowardly and surface level way possible, he’s reviewing the Patriot.

[@Taistelukalkkuna]

*Darth Brandonius: "Execute Order 1776."*

[@babyinuyasha]

SOMEONE PUT THIS ON A SHIRT

[@Yes_Fantasy_419]

British redcoat soldiers: Roger Roger! Blast them! Uh oh! Run for it!

[@Yes_Fantasy_419]

Mel Gibson: may the patriotism be with you! Only redcoats deal in absolutes! Redcoats: you've turned the colonists against us!!! Founding fathers: you have done that yourself!!!

[@someguy3766]

Better idea - put that on a t-shirt with an enraged image of Alex Jones saying it. xD

[@TheSinkingTitanic2]

*H O L L O W S Q U A R E F O R M A T I O N*

[@bannermanigans]

"They tell me about... G I B S O N"

[@thecatwithatophat4069]

They tell me about... O H I O

[@ThriftEGaming]

Brandon could do well playing a supervillain in a movie. Or a larger than life villainous military commander...

[@kamiloniszczuk9685]

@@ThriftEGaming or a seemingly stereotypical evil military commander except this time he's an anti-hero fighting for justice against a deceived madman believing he is the real hero

[@ThriftEGaming]

@@kamiloniszczuk9685 So when is Gibson gonna make this movie? I'm thinking ancient Rome or Greece for the setting. Everyone will fight with longswords.

[@schechter01]

Mel "Sugar Tits" Gibson

[@Scorcho44]

So this is the day of reckoning Papa John teased us with.

[@natebit8130]

26

[@brandonmccork781]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@dondajulah4168]

Shaquile O'Neal could have saved The Patriot the same way he is saving Papa John.

[@someguy3766]

lmfao

[@MrBigCookieCrumble]

Fan: _"B-but atleast it.. "_ Brandon: *"I D I S A G R E E"*

[@RRW359]

7:30 That's ridiculous. Everybody knows that northern Romans wore red, southern Romans wore green, Sicilians wore Blue, and all military within the Roman Pomerium wore purple.

[@MrBigCookieCrumble]

And all the legionaries in Gaul wore green clothes and blue shields.. and had really weirdly shaped NOSES!!

[@sykeraid4944]

I hate to be that guy... but were you referring to the different family factions in Rome: Total War? Because if so, I laughed pretty hard at that.

[@RRW359]

@@sykeraid4944 Yes.

[@Winaska]

RTW hahaha. I see what you did there

[@VCYT]

An it wasnt built in a day.

[@gerardtrigo380]

What got me was how they went through 4 or 5 years of war with none of the children aging.

[@istvansipos9940]

that was wrong. and perfectly understandable. with aging children, it would have been an epic casting nightmare OR a production nightmare

[@FormulaVase-kp3dc]

That would make casting very complicated.

[@rin_etoware_2989]

That kinda got me on HBO's Rome as well. It's unbelievable how Octavian looked like a smart but curly-haired little shit, then he went to Greece for some time or something, then he returns looking like a Greek youth out of Apollo's fantasies

[@Wendy_O._Koopa]

The floating timeline isn't just for the Simpsons™ anymore!

[@AmbroseSimpson]

Just like Liberty's Kids!

[@magnalucian8]

Sharpe's Rifles was made for like $40 and most of that was spent on keeping Sean Bean alive, i think they did pretty well given that limitation

[@richardhockey8442]

He got hung at least once (or so the Spanish were lead to believe)

[@warlordofbritannia]

I'm telling yall, Sean Bean *has* to die in everything he's in to make up for all the times he survived in Sharpe

[@RazorCharlie]

@@warlordofbritannia we just call him "the walking Spoiler" cause you know what will happen when he is in that Movie :)

[@michaelwebster3124]

@@RazorCharlie If it is formulaic but you like the formula it isn't a bad thing. 😉

[@FrancesShepherd-zj3zn]

I don't think the production value was as high as $40 most of the actors were paid in cups of tea and a mince pie

[@historyarmyproductions]

It has finally happened. After all these Years, we shall see the Farb.

[@emorynguyen1583]

Nice stop motions, man

[@historyarmyproductions]

@@emorynguyen1583 Thank you. :)

[@ftv2376]

Lord Farbquad

[@historyarmyproductions]

@Muzzle Flash Never, Sir. Never.

[@migwella9086]

@Muzzle Flash good reference!

[@mjvjohnson]

There was only one good part of that terrible movie. When the young British officer comes up to Gibson and thanks him for medically treating the British soldiers as well as the American ones. When he came up and thanked Gibson for caring for his majesties soldiers I was blown away. Then they had to ruin it with that cavalry officer dude coming up and immediately reversing that and shooting all the American soldiers and chastising Gibson for helping the Americans. I rolled my eyes so hard... But kudos for the British officer being a genuinely kind and caring officer for his men.

[@nicholasbova9909]

Murdering prisoners/burning down farms and houses did happen in the Southern Theater......but it wasnt ever done by the British army. Patriot and Loyalist militias are a different story though. The war was as much about personal score settling/revenge for them as it was over independence/loyalty to England. Still doesnt excuse that scene in the patriot though

[@LiterallyGod]

Are yall denying that a british soldier could ever commit warcrimes? Lol what a preposterous thing to assume.

[@maarekstele2998]

It's even worse because i think that officer later gets killed by mel lol

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

@God I'll do you one more, Banastre Tarleton in specific absolutely did that, much of his reputation was built on that

[@koreancowboy42]

However it was unfortunate that said officer who showed some kindness and gratitude to Mel gibbons character was shot by Mel Gibson or his two sons too lol when he went to get his other son.

[@Dan-mw1le]

Come kids, we can watch out favorite honorary Englishman's metal health deteriorate slowly and painfully! Get the popcorn!

[@stonemarten1400]

My mental health was certainly affected by the Patriot, as I hate this movie (and Gibson) with a unfathomable passion. It's an absolute disgrace.... grrrrrr......I'm so irrationally mad about it....

[@stonemarten1400]

@John Saunders John, don't get me started on Braveheart...grrrr....man you just made me even more raging mad..I really hate that movie too and I'm from Scotland. Grrr..Now I need a cup of tea with three sugars...

[@douglasgreen437]

@@stonemarten1400 Always wondered why an Englishman (Gibson is a surname of English origin. The name is derived from a patronymic form of the common medieval name Gib, which is a short form of Gilbert. Variant forms of the surname include Gibsoun, Gipson, Gibbson, Gibbons, Gilson, Gibb, Gibbs and Gibby amongst others.) Made films dissing the English 🤔

[@stonemarten1400]

@@douglasgreen437 Well Douglas, he is an Aussie and I think he believes he was of Irish distraction - so in his feeble mind, a double reason to diss the English

[@stonemarten1400]

err by distraction, I meant extraction

[@julianmoreno6817]

Here's something good about the Patriot a new series we can enjoy from our beloved Brandon

[@natebit8130]

12

[@mariabaloiu9911]

True

[@joshuawells835]

RIP René Auberjonois. “A shepherd must tend his flock and at times fight off the wolves.” That’s the line my brother and I hold dear.

[@tisFrancesfault]

I just found this out from yourself... I'm now I feel terrible. Well that'll kill my enjoyment of this :(

[@joshuawells835]

@@tisFrancesfault Sorry

[@bornagaingeek7279]

A wonderful man, a wonderful actor and as a result I had had a wonderful childhood. I shall miss him.

[@joshuawells835]

@Britannia No, he played the village preacher

[@DaGahbageMan]

@Britannia I don't think Lafayette was in the movie. Perhaps you're thinking of the fictional Major Jean Villeneuve?

[@giuseppemassari9970]

I don’t judge those who became interested in history because of the “Patriot”, I am pursuing a degree as a historian because Anastasia (the animated film) made me interested on the Romanovs, and from there is, as they say, history

[@jasonfenton8250]

15:30 This is exactly how I learned it in grade school too. Born in '97 for reference. There was no explanation as to why the British fought in line, light infantry tactics were portrayed as obviously superior. British crimes were exaggerated, American crimes downplayed. It's ridiculous too, the war happened 300 years ago, we have been allies for like a century now. Why can we not talk about the revolution objectively nowadays?

[@douglasgreen437]

At the time we were the same...

[@Tareltonlives]

Nationalism. But you'd think with the Hamilton Craze with a fairly nuanced take on the period, it'd be more popular.

[@LiterallyGod]

Do you not realize that war crimes are only committed by the losing side of a war?

[@CruelestChris]

@@LiterallyGod You've not heard of Vietnam, I take it?

[@LiterallyGod]

@@CruelestChris do you not understand what i said? We lost vietnam therefore our warcrimes were exposed. The winning sides crimes never matter

[@BR78973]

My history teacher recommended this saying it was the most accurate depiction of the American revolution

[@emorynguyen1583]

Oh no

[@Koala1203]

Disgusting. That teacher needs to be sent to the gallows.

[@Danko_Sekulic]

What is your teacher smoking?? I want some of it!!

[@cdcdrr]

He seems to have failed to mention there's not a lot of movies who give any sort of accurate depiction at all. Would have been nice to know.

[@becauseimbatman5702]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 wait, you're serious?

[@jaxsonh.266]

*G* *I* *B* *S* *O* *N*

[@gwine9087]

Religious nut.

[@pablojereznavarro8165]

How just writing one word can get 40 likes? To think Gentlemen

[@jonathanderosa8608]

Actual footage of Brandon becoming a folk hero.

[@garesonc9672]

As a high school teacher of a course in Military History, I applaud your firm stance on "false information" and false portrayals.

[@LukeSky2207]

Brandon talking about good things in "The Patriot" is like Anthony saying Brutus is an honorable man...

[@floraposteschild4184]

Heeheee!!

[@Yes_Fantasy_419]

"The British soldiers are basically battle droids from star wars" LMAO

[@Wendy_O._Koopa]

This was a take I was definitely not prepared for. Though I am just now realizing that this sensationalized version of British Troops just might be where the idea for the Koopa Troop's motto of 'always walking forward no matter the cost' came from. I'll have to ask my Dad... next time we actually appear in a game together.

[@jamespocelinko104]

The Patriot: "exists" Brandon: Angrily fixes bayonet

[@Slavic_Goblin]

Pedantically reviewing The Patriot? Oh no, the horror. (Inside voice: Yay!)

[@natebit8130]

Gaikokunootoko 38

[@Slavic_Goblin]

@@natebit8130 Huh?

[@natebit8130]

Gaikokunootoko just the number of likes on a comment. Idk why i do it.

[@Slavic_Goblin]

@@natebit8130 Oh, I see. Wouldn't even have checked the likes if you hadn't done it what you did. So I guess... thanks?

[@multipipi1234]

Careful of voicesi in you r head.

[@Blueleaf11]

Every inaccuracy?! Right so I'm assuming this series will be done in 10 years or so? (But honestly so excited for this!)

[@simply3444]

I'm still waiting for the specific Battle Of Camden Video he mentioned...

[@gryphonbotha1880]

Three out of ten years down so far.

[@aaronhale2978]

That intro was golden. Take your like, sir. You've earned it.

[@pablojereznavarro8165]

Who else was literally laughing of emotion while seeing the opening? ps: "Im so proud of this community"

[@jamiengo2343]

I mean... Would you be laughing without emotion lol? I never knew there was another way to laugh apart from with emotion

[@djegg3210]

He did the same with Braveheart - it's so historically incorrect that there might as well have a dragon in it!!

[@thomasbaagaard]

Actually that movie is based on a few historical source from the 15th century. So Scottish sources written a few centuries after the events... Also historical accuracy was never the goal.

[@anthonyhayes1267]

Are you telling me Washington didn't ride into battle on a dragon

[@rickwalker2]

Thomas Aagaard pretty much *everything* about Braveheart is pure fantasy-fiction. Fine and it’s a decent film, but it shouldn’t masquerade as factual or historical. SO MANY PEOPLE believe the story and that’s the responsibility of the filmmakers- it just propagates ignorance which is never a good thing.

[@MrBigCookieCrumble]

But.. _what.._ *about.. **_DRAGONS?!?!?!?!?!_*

[@AdrianCelsiusTepes]

Rich W some shops in Scotland sell Williams Wallace souvenirs with his face painted blue...

[@arifakyuz7673]

Oh my god. When only the 0th episode is over TWENTY MINUTES long, you know you are in for a spectacular time!

[@mashbury]

I am eternally thankful that I turned down the invite to take part in this production . The stress of working on this film is generally considered to have killed Riley Flynn the Reenactor coordinator if I recall

[@xersoslexersos6366]

This seems like a Lindybeige rant.

[@b45868]

We need a collab asap

[@xersoslexersos6366]

@@b45868 Agreed. Though both specialise in very different periods of history.

[@sparetime2475]

Xersos LeXersos he does talk about the Napoleonic wars

[@Balpindo]

@@xersoslexersos6366 brandon focus alot more to napoleonic war, while lindy often take soldiers from the greek and roman age to modern day in a rant, 2 diffrent types yet still cool.

[@luminous3357]

@@b45868 that would be epic

[@shasta_ganti]

I'm certain that part of being a mature American, is understanding that much of our 'history' that we learn in school is propaganda.

[@CruelestChris]

Most of all the history you learn in school is propaganda. Try looking into the rabbit hole of what was actually happening with Galileo and how strictly speaking the church was the one doing good science, for example.

[@termitreter6545]

@@CruelestChris You think western schools do anti-church propaganda? Let alone american schools? I dont even know how extreme you gotta be to think the church is treated unfairly. Doubly so with Galileo. No matter how you wanna argue everything was church politics and peopes funded research into heliocentrism at some points, the reality was that criticising the churchs model of the world was dangerous and an accepted reason for a trial. Even saying "earth orbits the sun" after his deal would mean execution. And thats almost 200 years after copernicus. So make a point, what was "actually" happening with Galileo? As far as I can see, there is a threat of death for disagreement, as well as the church pushing outdated concepts for religious reasons. Thats not good science.

[@CruelestChris]

​@@termitreter6545 Well, here goes... Copernicus comes up with a model that isn't actually any simpler than Ptolemy's. The nice set of circles you've probably seen isn't his model, it's a diagram outlining the "spheres" the planets roughly reside in before he gets down to describing how it actually works. Copernicus correctly describes his work as a model: he has nothing that actually proves the Earth is moving, nor any idea of _how_ it would be moving since we're well before Newton here. Here the church...does nothing. We have writings from the time that make it clear they don't mind this idea being circulated as long as it's treated as a hypothesis. See, at this point in time the church's prevailing policy isn't that science is its enemy: that's later, a reactionary movement during the Enlightenment that came about among American Protestants. Right now, the policy is that the Bible is a book of moral and spiritual guidance that incorporates some truths about the nature of the universe, but that's not its primary purpose. Therefore, if solid data contradicts the apparent word of the text, it likely means that we, as fallible humans, are misinterpreting the text. Now along comes a guy called Tycho Brahe. He spends a fair portion of his life constructing a new set of data tables to replace the ones with hundreds of years of copying errors in use at the time, and with this more accurate data he works out a new model. This is what's called a geoheliocentric model: the Earth is stationary, the moon and sun orbit the Earth, but everything else orbits the sun. This is so close to being right that it generates extremely accurate results, and is broadly accepted as the better model of the solar system. So, why not heliocentrism? Well, there's a broad series of objections, but the one that's held the most sway through all the centuries is a thing called stellar parallax. The argument is that if the Earth is indeed circling the sun, then as a year progresses the "sphere of fixed stars" should shift position relative to one another from an observer's perspective on Earth. But this can't be observed with the equipment they have access to, and indeed wouldn't be observed for centuries. Astronomers have calculated that in order for there to be no visible parallax, the distance to the nearest of the sphere of fixed stars would have to be 700 times the orbit of Saturn, and at their apparent size some of these stars would be larger than the orbit of Earth. But wait, you say, the stars _are_ more than that distance away. Correct, but at this point everyone on both sides accepts the purpose of the universe is to contain Earth, and the heliocentrists are forced to go for the lame "well, you don't know God's plan" fallback as to why in the world the universe would be laid out this way. Further, they're invoking these ideas to save their model, not because they have any data that supports the idea that the stars are extremely far away. "It's like that because my model requires it to be like that" is bad science. So, along comes Galileo. He's got a variation of Copernicus' model, and the Pope is actually interested in this and asks him to write a work which lays out the theories of the day and their relative points for and against. What Galileo actually does is write a work which places the prevailing arguments in the mouth of an unflattering caricature of the Pope he calls Simplico ("simpleton"), completely ignores Tycho's model and only addresses the obsolete model of Ptolemy, and hangs all of this on an argument related to the origin of the tides that he's already been told multiple times is demonstrably incorrect (which it is). So, Inquisition isn't happy with this. They commission an expert to look into the matter, Franscesco Ignoli, and he compiles a list of 22 arguments against heliocentrism: 4 are based on theology, the other 18 on astronomy or mathematics, and Galileo is specifically told to focus on those. He fails to make a good case for himself, and the Inquisition bans his book and places him under house arrest. But bans it only in its current form, the one that insults the Pope: it can be re-published subject to review if the content is changed. You might note they go on to do absolutely nothing when Kepler publishes his work making a solid case for a heliocentric system later, because Kepler is treating his theory as a theory rather than a fact. So basically this was more extreme form of peer review. I believe the only person anyone can point to being executed for something _related_ to this was Bruno, and he wasn't executed for saying the Earth orbits the sun, but for a variety of weird spiritual beliefs he had: if you look into him, he was basically the period equivalent of one of those hippies who uses the word "quantum" to sound smart. The reason it's blown so out of proportion relates to successive ages enjoying bragging about how much smarter they were than the preceding ages, similar to the ridiculous assertion that the church widely held the view that the Earth was flat in Columbus' time.

[@termitreter6545]

​@@CruelestChris First of all, regardless how far I agree or not, I appreciate the etensive writeup. Ive actually taken a 2nd look myself at Copernicus story, to see what I missed. And I did miss somethings, but theres parts where I disagree. I think the first part about heliocentrism being hard to proof is a bit weak as an argument. After all, what is the evidence for geocentrism? Not much, after all, its just that the church took over that kidn of greek theory, and then it was considered the churchs standard. The bad science is the assumption that earth is geocentric. Assuming a standard when youre at best ignorant. I suspect that was a) because the church didnt want to be seen as clueless about the relation of earth and sun, and b) it did have weight because it was the churchs postion. When people say the church was actually big into science, thats not entirely wrong, but often leaves out that they had a near monopoly on science in europe, there wasnt much else funding. And their less rational choices did sometimes cause harm to science and sometimes scientists. Galileo is interesting. Him promoting heliocentrism was politically risky from the get go, but he mostly got through with it because he had connections to the pope and cardinals. That protected him all the way. And he did write books about heliocentrism before the caricature youre talking about. Except even the pope, who was originally friendly to Galileo, wouldnt accept. Apparently argueing heliocentrism was more likely than geocentrism was the problem. So those books were banned and Gelileo was under lethal threat of not publishing anything of that. Later he then wrote the caricature, which ended in him being forced to revert his position (again under threat of death) and lifelong house arrest. As far as I can see, the conclusion is a bunch of points against the church: ->The church held a monopoly on science, but put arbitrary limits on what was to be researched or claimed. Galileo was only allowed to do his things because of personal contacts at the start. ->The popes personal opinion played a big role, and he wouldnt allow a book tha claimed he was wrong. At best he'd accept a book treating both helio/geocentrism as equally viable. ->In fact, while the church funded research into heliocentrism, their positions and support of heliocentrism wasnt backed by research either. ->To not follow the church rules, was, at least under some circumstances, to be under threat of imprisonment, torture or death. I cant agree that this was a "peer review", especially because the church refused to truly review their own positions, which were evidently incorrect. They held a monopoly on science and sometimes used it to limit knowledge, intentionally or not. Frankly, I dont even think the church became more conservative towards science. The pope still disagrees reguarly with the modern world. What rather happened is that science and rational thinking became much more widespread, escaping the grasps of the church. And when the church can supress science they dont like, there is conflict. I think one last comment I'd like to make is that nothing of this is surprising, it makes sense if you consider what the church is. The catholic church wasnt some superhuman instrument of god, it was a worldly institution manned by fallible people. It constantly got itself drawn into political conflicts, especially during the enlightenment. There was much corruption, and why wouldnt there be? The church was jury, judge and executioner, you dont get objectivity in positions that powerful. The catholic churchs split was a direct result of the hypocrisy and corruption of the church. Such an institution can not be a reliable source of science. Its just impossible, its not how humans work. Theres a reason the "scientific method" requires like 10 layers of abstraction, to weaken all bias.

[@CruelestChris]

@@termitreter6545 No, your first point there is fundamentally incorrect. That the Earth appears stationary from a human frame of reference is a given, and they could also take any part of the Earth and see that it did not move unless acted upon. Therefore, the claim that the Earth was imperceptibly moving at incredible speed was the one requiring evidence: some observation which required this assumption in the first place (nobody had one), and then a cohesive argument as to what force could be causing this. Bear in mind that the entire theory of physics at the time was built around these assumptions: gravity existed because earth-elemental objects tended to move towards the centre of the universe, while the planets moved because they were made of a different substance (I believe it was aether at one point) which had a fundamental quality of being in motion. Throwing all this out and replacing it with _nothing_ was unworkable: we do this too, we know Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity can't both be right, but we use them anyway. It wasn't until Kepler and Newton were combined that a coherent alternative emerged. Arguing it was more _likely_ was never the problem. Copernicus did that and nobody cared. What the Inquisition cared about was that Galileo went the further step of arguing it was a physical fact rather than a model or hypothesis. His evidence wasn't nearly enough to do that: he had no mechanism for how his system could happen, no observations which worked against anything but the already-discarded ancient system of Ptolemy (every other system could account for the phases of Venus, not just his), and a raft of objections he could only address with ad-hoc additions he couldn't offer evidence for. And yes, it was a peer review. Science isn't about _guessing_ what's correct, it's about going where the evidence leads you. In this case, performing it correctly, due to issues with observation at the time, meant doing it correctly led to an incorrect conclusion. This is one of the more interesting aspects of studying this period. Also, the Catholic church did not hold a monopoly on science. The simple observation that Johannes Kepler was a Protestant, as well as the fact that the Church of England had been established before Galileo was even born and yet science was still happening in England, shows that to be untrue.

[@dantheman4908]

Brandon is living proof that you can be entertaining and historically accurate

[@TeikonGom]

Lol. Lmao.

[@AussieFanXCIV]

I think the aneurysm currently building in Brandon’s brain is already physically visible.

[@natebit8130]

My history teacher showed it to us for “most inaccurate historical movie day” We went over a week talking about how inaccurate it was and how the main character was a combination of multiple historical figures.

[@BigWillyG1000]

Combining aspects of real people is a standard thing in historical fiction. It's often a central part of the fiction half of the subgenres name. To me counting that as an inaccuracy akin to having M-48 Patton tanks at the Battle of the Bulge or El Cid wearing 15th century plate armor is getting pedantic to the point of absurdity.

[@killerkraut9179]

@@BigWillyG1000 but for the tanks there Exist a Excuse

[@BigWillyG1000]

@@killerkraut9179 So is making an amalgam character. If you don't you're basically forced into doing a biopic or the written equivalent.

[@killerkraut9179]

@@BigWillyG1000 my point was that in the Time who the battle of the Bulge movie a Made that thre wasnt much WW2 Tanks Arround . to your comment For me is Amalgam a chemical to repair Teeth for People who hase not much Money . I think you mean with Amalgam Character a Fictional Charackter . i think in many situation is it even necassary or some time even good to use a Fictional character in my opinion . when i make a Historical Fiction piece schould i inform you ?

[@DaGahbageMan]

Everyone: "Learns" about the American Revolution watching The Patriot Brandon: "You must unlearn what you have learned."

[@juanredshirt4226]

Had a visual of Yoda saying that line with Brandon's voice. :D

[@jamesharding3459]

I watched The Patriot. I enjoyed The Patriot. As a way to kill a few hours, it was a win. It was an abomination nonetheless.

[@sshep86]

Movies are an art. Judging them by facts isn't really fair. The Patriot is not a documentary. It made no claim of being historically accurate and authentic. Would somebody make the claim that Van Gogh's or Picasso's works are an abomination because they are unrealistic and don't represent the real world? That was never the artists intention. Personally I am not a fan of Piccasso's cubism works, but I respect his intention and certainly don't criticise it because its not photo-realistic. I mean I could understand the criticism if 'The Patriot' claimed to be historically accurate, but this is Hollywood, they don't really make movies like that nor do they claim to. They make entertaining pieces of art, much like how someone would visit an art gallery and enjoy the visuals, same can be done in a cinema. If people want facts and accuracies, there is a whole department of film making dedicated to that called Documentaries. I struggle with these reviews when its the reviewer applying authenticity and not the movie maker. That's unfair judgement. Like the film or don't like the film, but to judge it by standards that were never intended is dishonest and unfair.

[@StrongStyleFiction]

I'm not a fan of The Patriot. I never cared for it much. But that's how I feel about Braveheart. It's terrible history but I do love that movie.

[@marley7868]

@@sshep86 yeah-though-sometimes-you-gotta-draw-a-line-between-the-two

[@kaynebartholomew2994]

I was having a terrible day and this...this picked me up a whole lot, especially the intro. Keep it up! I’m seriously digging the content lately!

[@BewegteBilderrahmen]

I was so awfully close to pressing that little cross on the tab when you said "Raid Shadow Legend". Great timing.

[@wackyvorlon]

For my part, I greatly appreciate your pedantry. Details are important, but it also shows your true passion for the history. Such passion is always a joy to behold.

[@alexmcd378]

Your comments on bouncing cannon balls brought back a childhood memory. I had a boardgame that had a cannon that fired a shot that bounced its way across the map. On each hex, you rolled to see if it did a glancing hit for one damage, a direct hit for an instant elimination, or if it bounced clear over the hex. I thought it was so weird, because I didn't know any better. I'm amazed a kid friendly boardgame from the 90s did cannon balls relatively accurately. Now if only I remembered the name of it. It was a humans for orcs kinda thing. Edit: It was Battle Masters

[@thevoidlookspretty7079]

“What’s left of my sanity.” I thought that he was pretty sane, but then I realized that he was wearing a redcoat uniform while ranting about a movie.

[@Flintlock_And_Tomahawk]

Oh good god, Merry Christmas from Brandon to us I suppose.....

[@TransJAM]

Marry " I hate you all, why are you making me do this, this is agony"-Mass.

[@alexandrelarsac9115]

As a French i just learn that France help for American independance was one french officer helping to train the militia and some ships coming at the very end of the last battle when everything was almost over... This movie was at level of soviet propaganda in rewriting history. French almost didn't help, the Spaniards were inexistant and the British fought like the SS will in WW2. Thanks mel Gibson !

[@pseudonym9599]

And that's why Master and Commander is a superior movie.

[@ohauss]

You mean the movie that substituted Americans for French so as not to hurt fragile American sensitivities?

[@pseudonym9599]

@@ohauss come now, we all know watching the French lose is the most entertaining part of the western tradition.

[@prlevett]

And the excellent John Adams HBO series

[@Darqshadow]

@@ohauss honestly American or French it would have been accurate to the time period. I freely admit, we Americans screwed up in attacking Canada but hey we ended it with New Orleans and using pirates as commandos lol.

[@fredricknoe3114]

After this may I recommend liberties kids, my dad is a teacher and he uses it. I was showed this when I was in elementary school.

[@joshuawells835]

I grew up with that show. Looking back, I think it’s one of the things that gave me my passion for history. I’m now a junior history major

[@republicempire446]

That Liberty Kids show is more accurate and not biased than the Patriot which it’s better.

[@MMaximmachinegun]

Republic Empire The battle scenes only last 10 seconds and all you hear is musket fire and screaming literally no violence expect for audio lmao

[@republicempire446]

A Kilment Vorisholov KV-1 it’s a kid’s show. What were everyone expecting?

[@joshuawells835]

@@MMaximmachinegun Well it's still a kid's show on PBS kids

[@anglohistorian8687]

Your despair at how people learn about the American War of Independence mirrors my own at how people perceive the Great War ("everyone just walked towards each other's trenches and got gunned down for four years because the generals were too stupid to think of anything else")

[@Guardsman--ku9wi]

Ah the Patriot what a wonderful historical trainwreck of American history.

[@quinnalt]

Ah, Braveheart In Britches. How I loath thee. Went to see in a theater. My date and I agree beforehand to bite our tongues. When some woman said aloud, "That dress is gorgeous!" At "the beach" my dear lady exclaimed loudly and crankily, "That is her underwear, dummy! Ugh!" And I burst into laughter.

[@thesouthernhistorian4153]

From the wise old lord Cornwallis “Very well it’s a nice horse blanket.”

[@thesouthernhistorian4153]

Scott S “ stares with anger and disgust while turning my head!”

[@smittywerbenjaegermanjense7376]

I've been begging the stars above for this. Silently, of course, because I don't like giving content requests. But as it's here, I shall watch it.

[@Jiskpirate]

One thing I also found quite nice: the brief shot of the French ships bombing Yorktown.

[@davehoward22]

The French and slaves were very brief

[@Jiskpirate]

@Matthew Taylor The shot was awesome though. Reminded me of Chesapeake.

[@crazyd4ve875]

We watched it in history class and everyone laughed when he hit the dude from so far away with the musket

[@obi-wankenobi1233]

Brandon's dramatic language makes this ten times better!

[@SpeltzGDZ]

As an American patriot, I fucking hate that movie.

[@elijahbuchmeyer4172]

AH an early Christmas gift from Brandon! I am going to enjoy this series

[@ricardoaguirre6126]

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the PBS show Liberty's kids.

[@pablojereznavarro8165]

But thay have better character development That's sad

[@GeneralLiuofBoston1911]

@Justin Goetz I believe it was mostly due to child friendliness in not showing someone getting shot (gun drops).

[@marinuswillett6147]

That show had British soldiers attacking the Sons of Liberty during the Boston Tea Party. They also had an entire episode about Sybil Ludington. Why was that necessary? I have no idea

[@troydodson9641]

I not only was misinformed about history, but actively didn't care and ignored it. I'm more into Classical to medieval history, but I lived in your shoes to, I swear. School had me convinced of not only that exact narrative of the revolution, but that even in a world history class, from 10,000 BC to 1492 AD happened in the blink of an eye, nothing happened here, Rome existed, 'the greeks' ruled the middle east, medieval people were dim, and then the entire rest of the year is the same American stuff I've learned every year since the first. What's even more hilarious is that after middle school, there was no more fleshing out of that history, same crap. After all of school, weeks after actually, I wanted to reinvigorate my Rome Total War campaign. Just mod it, and Europa Barbarorum was my choice. Buildings, time period, people, units and more all had extensive explanations and historical backgrounds. Spent hours reading it all. Starting new campaigns just so I could read of the different units, buildings, etc. I think, just a theory, that school, movies, the bad 'documentaries' are so simple and generalized because they just think we're to stupid to even conceive that it would be more nuanced. "Fighting in lines was stupid" "Romans are the red ones" "Peasants ate cabbage soup" "Armor doesn't matter" That, or it's a conspiracy to keep people stupid, but tin foil hats are a little to bold for me Shame too, had 1 teacher try to squeeze in everything she could on WW2, made it really interesting and fleshed out, she would spit out some facts about places she had visited whenever our lesson passed by it.

[@BrandonF]

Thanks so much for sharing! It's exactly for these sorts of reasons that I *love* it when media, especially games, throws in those historical details and more scholarly material. Most may not care, but for the people that do, it helps build future generations of historians!

[@troydodson9641]

@@BrandonF I'm actually re-watching your reviews, but I recently learned the strange and malignant KZbin powers are if somewhat fed by activity than actual subscribing. Keep up God's work Brandon, and have a good one

[@andrewcomerford9411]

It's like learning Scottish History from, "Brainfart," another Mel Gibson vehicle.

[@Tareltonlives]

Or Jewish history from Passion of the Christ. Or Mayan history from Apocalypto. I'm starting to think he hates history more than he hates Jews or women

[@lokenontherange]

Every single thing I've ever seen about the war in the Americas leads me to believe we should have sent a few thousand cavalry.

[@pablojereznavarro8165]

British Generals: *We don't do that here*

[@Tareltonlives]

Too expensive. I think there were like three dragoon units and that's it.

[@SteveAubrey1762]

When I saw The Patriot, I thought it was just the script from Braveheart, set in a different era. Really enjoy the channel.

[@egoist920]

The video about the good parts of "The Patriot" and the good parts are talked for less than half of this video. This is gonna be fun.

[@Darqshadow]

The mortars at end of the movie. Most people don't know that the mortar round was actually a linear warfare piece and is, as it is today, one of the worst things for an infantry unit to have to deal with.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

That said, I wish a film had the balls to actually show the US War of Independence as a Civil War more than just plucky farmers fighting against dastardly, posh brits in wigs so loaded with powder their cavalry could gallop across the field and create a thick smoke with which to cover the advancing infantry.

[@silverletter4551]

Why establish any connection between the Americans and a bunch of European foreigners?

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

@@silverletter4551 You've never once read about people living in the colonies that either opposed or were ambivalent to separation from Great Britain? These were not foreigners, they were next door neighbors. How do you not know this?

[@silverletter4551]

@@fuzzydunlop7928 I referred to the enemy soldiers who were foreigners. That's how an imperial system works. Prior to independence, states were part of an empire, not a singular nation or republic. An imperial system is never wholly unified at any point in time. To assert that which constitutes an imperial level of "territorial integrity" is dubious at best.

[@JackBaptist]

One thing as well I reenact a drummer boy in the 33rd regiment, but in the patriot there’s no diversity in the uniforms at all. There all the blue cuff soldiers!

[@reality-cheque]

Please review “Braveheart” - if you haven’t already done so. Gibson hates the English, for some reason....

[@marcosaraiva9205]

Hi guys. The movie is not that bad! Hollywood is a entertaining movie industry. We can not expect more than what they can deliver! If they be more accurate about historical authenticity about props and even events that did happen will be a bonus to be sure. But point taken in this vid and very interesting to watch and very instructive, Thanks

[@ob2kenobi388]

I think it'd be neat if the final video of this series was a comprehensive description of how Brandon would "fix" the movie-keeping the basic plot synopsis, but making it a great deal more historically accurate. He'd narrate the events of the film from start to finish (as if he was reading a book aloud) with all the little historically-accurate details thrown into the mix.

[@vincentbergman4451]

I realized how dope the British Army was when I started studying the Napoleonic wars.

[@ryanmccabe1036]

My dad was a history professor for most of his life, and he laughed most of the way through The Patriot. I think he would have liked your video, especially your take on the negative and positive starting point filmmakers can provide.

[@pablojereznavarro8165]

My respect to a REAL man of culture

[@pablojereznavarro8165]

@John Saunders what?! no!

[@pablojereznavarro8165]

yeah....

[@grendelgrendelsson5493]

I cannot wait for the next episode! Congratulations and good luck with your tours. I wish you every success.

[@computerinsurgent1204]

At the end of the film during the Battle of Cowpens, there is a scene that a cannonball is rolling towards American soldiers and severely damages a soldier's leg.

[@mrkennady]

as someone who has researched the war between the "swamp fox" and "Banister Tarleton" I can assure you from the bottom of my heart that the patriot was tame compared to the actual conflict. The dragoons did far far far worse than burning people in churches, that's the tip of the iceberg.

[@BrandonF]

Like what? If you could give me a book to look at, or particular incidents, that would be very helpful in future videos.

[@mrkennady]

@@BrandonF well for one banister tarlton employed scorched earth tactics under direct order of general Cornwallis, and it is a known fact that tarlton targetted the homes and farms that were being managed by women. We also know that it's a fact that a tarltons men committed a crime so terrible that Cornwallis had to ride out anf personally execute dozens of Tarltons men. The crime or crimes in question have been debated for centuries at this point, but cornwallis deemed it so damning to the british mission in the south that he had to take care of justice personally. I will go to my storage unit and see if i can find the tarlton biography i read this in.

[@mrkennady]

@@BrandonF I don't think people really understand how dark the war got in the south. When the British took Charlestown, the loyalists immediately set upon their fellow colonists who were either revolutionarys or at least sympathetic to the revolution, graping and murdering at will.

[@ryantoth676]

That opening cracked me up. Thank you very much Brandon. Edit before watching: I assume you're gonna do Uniforms, please do! I love hearing about them

[@rowlandhoskins3153]

First Naval Action and now this! It looks like it will be a Merry Christmas after all. You, more than any other KZbin channel, release so much quality educational AND entertaining content. Keep up the stellar work!

[@commanderNSO]

Apparently there's still a redcoat lingering in Boston. I suppose I'll have to send Sam Adams an e-mail, and tell him to get that place cleaned up.

[@ArchaiKM]

I have watched a good few of your videos, and very much enjoy your critiques on historical portrayals in media, and I have to say that (in my own opinion) this was the perfect way to begin this series. Thank you for taking time to actually point out some things that you enjoyed, it will add a nice contrast to the lambasting that is sure to follow.

[@ork1235]

"Oh fireworks" i like that line even if it is stupid

[@robertjames7160]

Kings arms and Military Heritage sure did a good job on logistics.

[@KameradVonTurnip]

Still waiting for a good movie on the American Revolution.

[@Tareltonlives]

Best movie I've seen on the period is the film version of 1776. Yes. The musical.

[@canaanclb]

You should check out "The Crossing" from 2000.

[@civgaming3699]

Wow just the introduction was epic. Also I love this time period because of your videos and my dream of becoming a reenactor.

[@mathewkelly9968]

American Colonies : the French and Indians are giving us a hard time , please help England : no worries Colonies we'll help you out England : that war cost a fortune please help pay for it American Colonies: eeerrr no England : fine here are some taxes Rich American colonists: we are independent now

[@michaelsommers2356]

That account of the origins of the Revolution is even more inaccurate than "The Patriot". Start with reading Peckham's _Colonial Wars_ to learn the facts about British/American military cooperation in the wars against the French. Then read, say, the relevant parts of Wood's _Creation of the American Republic_ to to learn about taxation and representation.

[@mannymarotta]

My eighth grade teacher showed us this movie instead of teach us about the Revolutionary War at all, and he said it was completely accurate

[@wtk6069]

The Patriot is a fun action movie. And it's historical setting is no more inaccurate than the average movie is at capturing modern times.

[@stonemarten1400]

I see your point, but it's the jingoism in the lie that's so disgraceful, very similar to Braveheart - no coincidence that it's that fruit-loop Mel Gibson.

[@hmartinspliff]

The Patriot should've been marketed as a prequel in the Lethal Weapon series just to put the film in perspective to any unsuspecting members of the audience who might think that the film is a true representation of historical events.

[@Yes_Fantasy_419]

The patriot is basically star wars. The British redcoats are "battle droids" who stand around in the open like tinmen and get shot by the minutemen militia who are "rebels and jedi". The British cavalry are "Sith lords". Mel Gibson in that movie is "Anakin Skywalker or the chosen one" lmao

[@floraposteschild4184]

I hope you're watching Brandon's follow-up videos. It is WAY more inaccurate than most movies about modern times. And yes, the standard there is low, but The Patriot in no way reaches it. The only reason movies like it are made is because the majority of the audience does not know the difference, or care.

[@tugalord]

@@stonemarten1400 i mean We Were Soldiers was surprisingly accurate (except for a few scenes)

[@LordBurgerofFriesland]

You really had me for a moment at that Raid: Shadow Legends part

[@RiflemanMoore]

So you're telling me I don't just need a hunting shirt and a tomahawk to reenact the average Revolutionary War American soldier...?

[@thechallenger752]

When he talks about it getting people interested in the Revolutionary War, think about those movies with knights in full plate armor hardly being able to move, getting cut down by arming swords, and being killed with arrows. That’s the equivalent of this movie.

[@shinano3010]

Thank you so much I am a fellow history buff you are my favorite KZbinr

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

There’s something that struck me about Martin, Charlotte & their cute little baby at the end... I know there’s no direct statement that they married, but it’s strongly implied by the cultural mores of the time... thing is- it *wouldn’t* have been legal; I’m an aspiring historical fiction writer & the importance of *research* CANNOT be overstated - an article I read years ago, by an author (I cannot recall her name) listed things she had had problems with in historical fiction- she talked about things like people ignoring entail, & having heiresses personally managing large inheritances - but the relevant one: a man marrying his deceased wife’s sister (it could be easily vice versa)- this was *not* legal in England ‘til after WWI- I believe it also went for step-daughters & wards, too- but like I say, it’s been a *looong* while since I read this. Such a marriage would have been impossible- even if they married to solemnise their relationship (which people did back then, despite the lack of standing)- Charlotte could have only been legally & socially considered his mistress- & their cute little baby? They would have been a bastard, & not legally entitled to inherit from their father- though they could have inherited from Charlotte. America followed a lot of English law, & it wasn’t like they changed every single law they had, with the Revolution, surely? Now, Martin’s a war hero, so maybe they don’t suffer socially but I always find it frustrating when films or tv shows either make like the past was sh*t & always terrible or they modernise things & show next to nothing of social & cultural nuances & mores. Sorry for the ramble- I’m looking forward to seeing the rants!

[@BigWillyG1000]

Common law marriage was legal and we have lots of evidence legal niceties dropped massively during the war. Even before the war the US lacked the really arcane things England had. Even Scotland lacked them hence eloping to Gretna Green.

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

Wll G That’s what I meant with the umbrella-term ‘social & cultural nuances & mores’.

[@BigWillyG1000]

@John Saunders Considering cousin marriage was encouraged I don't believe so.

[@BigWillyG1000]

@John Saunders Henry VIII did exactly that.

[@Tiger89Lilly]

@@BigWillyG1000 Henry VIII's whole case on why he should get to divorce Catherine of Aragon is the bible says "man should not lie with his brother's widow". Poor Catherine had to prove that 20 years previous she did not have sex with Arthur, so in the eyes of the church she would be legitimately allowed to marry Henry. There's some fascinating historians on KZbin that talk about this subject

[@big_alsgaming]

this film was shown in my high school american history calls and it was called “historically accurate”

[@pablojereznavarro8165]

Poor Souls.. consumed by the Farb

[@Tareltonlives]

In high school American history I got to see this back to back with Pearl Harbor. I think I said something along the lines of "Can't we just do more homework instead?"

[@alexanderaugustus]

Brandon, you have got all the things right. As an historian, I'm so annoyed by films giving negative information. I'm following History Buffs, and from now on, I will follow you, because you. Are. ON! Thank you for your good work. Cheers fam, keep it up!

[@DarkApostleNoek]

A kind of good scene was when they reacted to the woman going "Oh. Oh, fireworks bravo". This was the first film from this period I saw though my history teacher admitted he wanted to get something else but wasn't able to. Not counting this movie we learned more from the loyalist side.

[@KiwiForce123]

Adam Baldwin's character was a cool addition, showing American loyalists.

[@cjl-uda4048]

Chris Nixon if only it was executed well though and not completely bias in favour of the Americans. Truthfully over 2/3 of Americans didn’t want independence so to see only one Loyalist and him being portrayed in such a way is just insulting

[@reactivearmour5126]

You had me laughing out loud with your description of US public school education on the US Revolution. Even as a kid, I suspected I was being fed a line of crap. Like in so many other areas of history, unless I had educated myself about the revolution, I would have been a really ignorant person if I had trusted the public schools. Now I am a teacher at a private school where students actually learn genuine history.

[@richardtucker6300]

I feel like ONE other piece of information that they got right was the line about Gates after Camden: "Last anyone saw riding hard north-east with his staff a hundred yards behind trying to catch up."

[@patrioticscone733]

I was just in Boston back in May. I LOVED it. My ancestor was a Brigadier General in the Continental Army. Plus I love the history 😁

[@chernobylaka]

Hi Brandon, first of all this content of yours is very thought provoking and I really do feel inspired after viewing it. However, I would like to take this experience further. I am a fimmaker from China who studied in th US. I work with, among all professions, many high school history teachers in China. High school students in China rarely have the opportunity to aceess the contents like yours from the internet. I love history and I believe history reflects much more than numbers, dates, locations and names. I would like to bring your content, translated into Chinese of course, into Chinese high school campuses. Give our students a new perspective, a new line of thinking and a new point of view.

[@ernestape]

I actually really enjoyed the patriot when i first watched it and it was the movie that woke my interest in the time period. I get, what you want to say and i agree that historical movies should be done better and more accurately, but it really i would rather have movies like the patriort instead of no historical movies at all. I think we should not be too harsh, after all their first aim is to tell a good story and apart from all its flaws i still enjoy that movie and think it is a decent story. Everyone who knows american patriotism knows that they tend to make themselves better and more intelligent, than they were and their enemies more dumb and evil than they were. Knowing that, it is nearly impossible to fall for its flaws. And i must admit that the inaccuracies in the patriot mostly have a reason behind them concerning storytelling. So after all i am interested in some nitpicking in your upcoming videos and i am glad you ll do them but i am also happy for the patriot to exist, although hoping that historical movies will be getting more accurate.

[@ebinecksdee9872]

Same here. Some "historical" movies have made me become extremely interested in the topics they're portraying. For example, Chernobyl Diaries made me obsessed with the actual disaster

[@kaipacifica1289]

IMHO a review like this is useless except in the world of academic study. The Patriot is an ok movie and has started many on a course to study the real time and place.

[@Northman1963]

I enjoy watching Gibson's work eviscerated ever since his horrid "Passion" snuff film.

[@skyhunter2423]

The scene that annoyed me the most was the British burning the church

[@DwRockett]

Damn, I haven’t watched your channel before, but I was looking for a review of The Patriot and now I’m really excited to see what you have to say