The Patriot's "Comedy" Scene is Far More Stupid Than You Think

[@BrandonF]

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[@matthewmiller9398]

Brandon do you know where I can buy authentic British uniforms, I want a cocked hat

[@BrandonF]

@@matthewmiller9398 If you want authenticity, unfortunately there are no single places to buy them. Most things need to be hand-made to your size and specifications. Feel free to send me a DM on FB, Instagram, or an email at [e-mail] and I can send you some names if you're interested. Though the names I know are all very expensive, I'm afraid.

[@unnamedenemy9]

this is pretty small, but it is driving me *nuts.* Whenever we see Mel Gibson's crew on that rowboat, they are somehow moving in the *opposite* direction that they're rowing. In the clip at 11:10 the rowers are facing towards the ship, yet they're also moving towards it despite the fact that they *should* be going away from it base on how they row. The filmmakers wanted Gibson at the front of the boat with the ship in sight, but *also* wanted his crew to be facing him for their flat shot/reverse shot conversation. There was a perfect opportunity to have some more interesting shots here -- even with Gibson, his men, *and* the boat (maybe even the plantation) all in one shot while they talk! Also, the Alex Jones bit was *hilarious.*

[@CAP198462]

We have a different read of that scene. I read the “fireworks,” line as her attempting a classic British understatement, or attempting to euphemistically describe the situation. The frigate/ 6th rate is riding high in the water, so it’s lightly loaded. We could therefore assume the cannons were offloaded at Charleston and the supplies loaded on. The lack of guns on the frigate would also explain the sloop’s presence. It’s there as an escort for the now defenceless frigate. To your credit sir, it’s absolutely correct that security would have been tighter than what is shown. People knew what gunpowder could do if it exploded and exercised an abundance of caution.

[@chazychaz14265]

I'm not sure if you have done a video on this subject yet but I'm very curious as to how families of fallen soldiers were informed of their death in battle during the 18th an early 19th century. By the way, I'm ex British army (8 years) and I'm a great admirer of your videos. Thank you.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Gunpowder can't melt wooden beams!

[@warlordofbritannia]

Cornwallis did 9/11/80!

[@ad_astra5]

Grab your tinfoil cocked hats!

[@Jabberstax]

Big flash/bang and lots and lots of splinters.

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

I also would have thought that it would have had to be more compacted, in order to cause the kind of explosions they depicted...

[@MDMoore6]

Wake up, sheeple!

[@gabrielegenota1480]

"Woman stupid, man angry, and BIG BOOM" Holy fuck that line was so american that my blood cholesterol level increased tenfold

[@chrishenderson9130]

Just eat a stick of butter and calm down

[@tribalteuton7256]

To be more American or should be "big boom, man excited, woman angry." At least that has been my experience... don't throw an unopened soda can into a trash fire.

[@koichidignitythief7429]

That's basically Conservative Republican humor in a nutshell.

[@Ramtin-Blue_rose]

Thats boring boomer humor in a nutshell

[@Blundabus1337]

Oi mate You making fun of another country? Thats xenophobia you cheeky git. Off to jail with you where you get shanked by a muslim. God save the queen.

[@tereziamarkova2822]

Brandon F: *not so much roasting The Patriot as burning it to the ground* Me: Ooh, fireworks!

[@chengzi6416]

loVeLY ~~~

[@karlgrimm3027]

According to Assassin’s Creed the Patriots were filled with ninjas and all British were pretty much blind and deaf. I’m shocked that they even noticed the explosion.

[@idcyco3623]

If the galactic empire was filled with nothing but incompetent Stormtroopers it's completely believable that the British Empire was filled with incompetent Redcoats.

[@illeagle9560]

You mean the Continental Army. Also the Assassins are not ninjas, they are assassins

[@DJWeapon8]

Yeah nah. The continental army was most definitely not filled with "ninjas". IIRC, Connor was only one of two officially trained and ordained assassins in the colonies, and the only one that actually works for the patriot cause.

[@cocobot90]

Actually, according to Metal Gear Solid, the Patriots hadn't even been born yet.

[@NClark-lp3bq]

"Grab your tin-foil cocked hats!" Best Brandon F. quote ever! 😂

[@robertgiorlando7206]

This would make an amazing “quoted” shirt….

[@comradecid]

"gunpowder can't melt wooden beams", &c.

[@ChristheRedcoat]

I feel like there was a real missed opportunity here to insert Fireworks Woman into the church burning scene.

[@BrandonF]

Aw man, you're right, that would have really helped to emphasize it! She could have popped up as the loyalist is thousand-yard-staring.

[@maxshumylo1921]

Me and the boys on our way to unload supplies in some random river instead of Charleston be like

[@mdccxcii6340]

The "Brandon F totally destroys The Patriot" saga is one that never disappoints. Thanks for the video!

[@saadkhan1128]

This series is as good as checkmate linconites

[@spartanx9293]

@@saadkhan1128 difference is this is a film and ultimately comes down to personal opinion

[@BrandonF]

@@spartanx9293 I like to think the film reviews are a good mixture of my personal critique with educational information about the time period. And ultimately, most if not all of my opinion is being informed by the educational elements. Excepting a lot of what I said in the bashing of Ben Martin as a character.

[@spartanx9293]

@@BrandonF I don't doubt it personally I think it's more of a dumb fun kind of movie But I think there's a fundamental difference between critiquing a movie like the Patriot And discussing the fundamental realities of the civil War

[@wayneantoniazzi2706]

@@spartanx9293 We have to remember one thing, the REAL function of "The Patriot" was to put butts in seats and make money for the film maker and it fulfilled that function well. I'll say one thing, some of you folks are a little spoiled. I'm old enough to remember when Rev War themed films had costume designers conceptions of 18th Century uniforms and clothing and all the firearms were Trapdoor Springfields humped-up to look like flintlocks. I'm relieved when I see a film with REAL flintlocks in it and the film makers attempt to get the uniforms and clothing right. Ever see a Rev War film made in the 1950s with the women wearing torpedo bras and not Georgian stays? Yikes!

[@cambs0181]

So after a few months of independence we have a complete separation of culture. The British are complaining about their dress and spending time in war, holding pompus balls to entertain the gentry, whilst the Americans who have in a short time have evolved a completely different accent, have disguised themselves as British soldiers covertly boarding a ship run by the most professional navy in the world at the time, leaving set explosives not disturbing the entire crew. With a comical conclusion! The British may of had their disadvantages in this war, but these were senior officers of a professional army, that had been hardened over decades of wars with other European nations. This makes them look like the kind of villans you would get on a 60s Hannah Barbera cartoon. If this wan't bad enough, American kids actually watch this in the classroom environment, as part of their education about their nations history.

[@markwilliams2620]

Come to Floriduh. All our history books are personally approved by Hizzoner Ron DeathSantis. We have happy slaves and naught a whiff of anything that will offend a white youngster.

[@Ukraineaissance2014]

But that's how americans treat the conflict, as fully formed modern Americans vs britain (well just england). It was more of a british civil war overseas.

[@Swan_River_Cowboy]

@@Ukraineaissance2014 I mean it was Britian at the time as the Act of Union had happened and England and Scotland had unionised

[@Ukraineaissance2014]

@@Swan_River_Cowboy yes but I mean americans treat it as if they were just against the english, not scottish, welsh and (at that time) irish as well.

[@Swan_River_Cowboy]

@@Ukraineaissance2014 You would’ve been up against Englishmen, Scotsmen, Welshmen and Irishmen although the Irish would’ve been a lot less involved then the others being treated more like a colony then equals

[@firingallcylinders2949]

Who hates what more? Brandon F. with the Patriot or Atun-Shei with Gods and Generals.

[@jamesalexander5623]

I Hate "Gods and Generals" Worse than Atun-Shei! ..... I bought the DVD on the strength of 'Gettysburg" .... Watched it Once and sold it at our next yard sale for $5!

[@Dragonmoon98]

Came for Brandon ripping apart a stoopit scene, stayed for the history lesson on naval procedures. (I've got an interest in pre-1860 naval history)

[@BrandonF]

That's the idea!

[@donpietruk1517]

Anyone who read CS Foresters excellent Horatio Hornblower naval adventure series would have been on the floor holding their sides while laughing at this scene. I know I was. 😂

[@zxbzxbzxb1]

"I believe that we've had enough of my ravings and rantings for the day" Erm No 😃 Was hoping for a 16 hour long video dissecting all the British uniform farbery, but the battle of Camden sounds good too. 👍👍

[@AmadeusInDaze]

Yesterday I was watching a review of The Patriot and I thought "Hey, there was a British guy who destroyed this movie" So I searched for your channel and saw those videos. What a tremendous surprise that you have uploaded a new part. Greetings from Mexico. 🇲🇽

[@generaladvance5812]

Is he not American?

[@ianrastoski3346]

@@generaladvance5812 i think he means he remembers a British guy ripping this movie apart (my bet is Nick Hodgers), and went looking for him again. But then he found our most humble and obedient servant instead.

[@00muinamir]

@@generaladvance5812 in fairness, he is actively trying to become British, so close enough.

[@Ukraineaissance2014]

Why doesnt he just pretend to be canadian. We all secretly think they are british in britain anyway

[@vaudevillian7]

@@ianrastoski3346 no he was saying specifically he searched for Brandon and was pleased there was a newer upload, as I Brit there’s no way Brandon would ever be mistaken for British but I can completely understand why those not from here would think that

[@Onewheelordeal]

Love how you couldn't resist doing an Alex Jones voice for the insane conspiracy bit

[@spencerjoplin2885]

It’s American history Friday: Atun-Shei Films and Brandon F drop a video within an hour of each other.

[@saiien2]

Atun-Shei too? Thanks man.

[@danielomar9712]

And again , curious how the two upload at almost the same time And also , homoeroticism

[@EthanDarke]

Bad as this scene (and movie) are, I still always get a chuckle out of Jason Isaacs rolling his eyes and knocking back his whole drink in one shot 😆

[@jesspeaceful]

I believe the tonal dissonance of The Patriot can be explained thusly: if sadistic acts of violence are perpetuated against the British, yay! They deserve it. Let's play it for laughs. If said violent acts involve those close to Mel Gibson though? Absolute horror! Basically if Mel doesn't like you, it's fine for you to die a thoroughly painful and unpleasant death. It's a recurring theme throughout the film - the rebels are brutal, savage and refuse to show any mercy when the British soldiers literally surrender to them. The French soldier jokes openly about picking off prisoners of war. They're no better than the side they're supposed to so vehemently oppose on a primarily moral level (at least within the movie). I swear the writer(s?) realised this around 2/3 of the way through and panicked because the heroes and the villains seemed a little too close on the scale of moral abhorrence, so they thought they'd better just stick in a Nazi-style church-burning just to remind the audience who the real baddies are.

[@woltews]

1- we need Brandon doing an Alex johns with his hard tack , salt pork and rum dietary supplements ( if we are going to do small scenes ) 2- the recruiting scenes always struck me as rather odd to you given how important it would have been to keep British spies out of his unit just toasting the health of king George might note be a sufficient test ( how dos one join the continental army or militia ?) 3-when they capture all of Cornwallis's papers why are they not sent to a higher level in the army , would this not be scene as a type of intelligence worthy of being sent up ? 4- If they are camped out in a swamp how do they keep horses in good condition ?

[@BrandonF]

Oh man, 'hard tack supplements' sounds like an amazing idea. I may steal it.

[@ianrastoski3346]

Don't forget the wellwater that made the frogs jolly!

[@robertgiorlando7206]

On 4…. Obviously they had stables in the swamp! The first one may have just sank into the swamp, as with the second one falling over, burning down, and then sinking into the swamp….the Third one, that 3rd one, stayed up! And that’s what all colonials need….a stable in the swamp!

[@comradecid]

after receiving the challenge as the rowboat approaches the ship: "It's an older code, sir, but it checks out."

[@АгэляАббаспур-т2ц]

"Oh fireworks !" To be fair, I once knew a lass like that. Daft as a brush, but charming with it.

[@benbrummitt7953]

Am I the only one who noticed they were rowing away from the ship whilst approaching it? You row a boat facing rearwards, and the boat was behind mel, in front of the men

[@douglascox9996]

Many a river along the Eastern Shore during the Colonial/Revolutionary Era were of ship depth, but through disuse and silting are now limited to small private craft depths. As commerce moved from waterborne carriage to road/railroad carriage, the normal maintenance of waterways declined except in major harbors. So, silting of waterways and shore erosion increased to what we find today. As an example, Blackbird Creek in Delaware once hosted Blackbeard’s sizeable ship over a winter, but could not do so now.

[@ryano.5149]

Another good example, the Battle of Turtle Gut Inlet. Pretty sure a large portion of Wildwood Crest, NJ is currently where that inlet would have been.

[@00muinamir]

I can find a contemporary quote saying that the Ashley River was navigable up to roughly that area for vessels around or slightly above 100 tons burthen. It's still not looking terribly plausible for a 500 tons-burthen sixth-rate ship to get all the way up there.

[@lukedelport8231]

14:05 Mel’s crew has a lantern lit given the fact this is a POWDER SHIP the officer aboard would be yelling for them to blow it out and wouldn’t let them approach

[@SEAZNDragon]

I love how the critiques went from historical to procedural to physics. Ironically the guy who wrote the Patriot also wrote Saving Private Ryan, considered one of the more historically accurate war movies. However I do want to push back on the idea of having comedic elements in this movie. It may appear tasteless in light of the church burning scene but plenty of times in war where there are comedic moments despite the horror.

[@TheCowgirlBookworm]

I heartily look forward to the day where I can sit down and take an entire day and night to watch Brandon’s takedown of The Patriot. Godspeed good sir, and take care of yourself!

[@BrandonF]

If you mean when the series is finally finished, I have a bad feeling it might take more than 24 hours to get through it all.

[@TheCowgirlBookworm]

@@BrandonF oh I don’t mind a bit lol, might have to rent out a theater and hold a marathon like they did before endgame came out

[@AtaMarKat]

That last part of the comedic nature implied is why I like especially the detonation of Tyrion’s Fireship during the Battle of Blackwater Bay in Game of Thrones. Everyone’s faces we see; Tyrion, Lancel, Bronn, Sandor, they’re all stunned and disturbed, all except Wisdom Rossart, the (more than) half mad pyromancer who did the scut work for the explosion, who’s simply pleased his chemicals exploded as intended, and King Joffrey, positively giddy at the flames, the smoldering wreckage, the wailing of the burning, mangled seamen, because he’s well established as a sociopath.

[@ThePalaeontologist]

It still sickens me on multiple levels that some teachers used this film as a teaching aid.

[@Madnessguy-qz7lr]

Wait I’m in 8th we watched that in 7th grade I really liked the patriot is it really that bad? 😂

[@ScreechingPossum]

At my high school (around 2004-08), it was typical for both history classes and our JROTC to play "The Patriot" at least once a semester So if you had both, there was a chance you'd watch it *twice* in the same semester

[@midnightteapot5633]

I feel the same way about the song "The battle of New Orleans." that was written by a school teacher in order to make his students have fun in history class and has gone on to be a popular and accepted description of the battle.

[@loslingos1232]

@@midnightteapot5633 Really? Wow never knew that.

[@antonnurwald5700]

At Film school, to teach students about bad movies, right?

[@badgamemaster]

Feels like the movie is saying: "it is bad when the good guys suffer but funny when the Brits are suffering".

[@Gunfreak19]

You should do a series about how good Hornblower is to cleanse the stench from Patriot.

[@Ukraineaissance2014]

Yep hornblower is even better than sharpe. There was talk about rebooting it recently but investment is hard to get for it because it cost an absolute fortune to make them

[@player400_official]

@@Ukraineaissance2014 I watched all of it multiple times!

[@Shadooe]

20:24 Maybe the ship didn't move in the water when she exploded because she was firmly aground, on the riverbed, in like, a fathom of water? HAHAHA Lyin' Mel: Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[@joshuaevans4301]

I love the dissecting of the ship explosion. It's almost as if they blew up a miniature only to make us _believe_ it was real!

[@jamiewebber7485]

What I love about this channel’s approach to historical accuracy is that you actually take the time to explain why real history and what ACTUALLY happened in the settings of the historical movies that you review. Are often much more interesting and would have made for way better stories to watch, than what those movies (In this case, The Patriot) ended up actually being written about.

[@thetimeywimeycornerofhisto4954]

We need a 6 hour video where all patriot reviews are compiled together as 1

[@jw5931]

"Looting is not a gentle process" sent me

[@tef_newalbionpacificmedia]

Excellent report Brandon, good show! [ You are t o o funny!] I worked on the pre-production phase of PATRIOT [nick name, SWAMP FOOL!] Fortunately I finished up the pre-production part and moved on to help produce a Rev War documentary, lots of fun on that. I am very familiar with the Charleston historical scene, and have worked with various sites and museums there. Even helped to organize a major living history event next door at Drayton Hall. I had a few naval long boats with marines also in the River. Charlestown [its pre-war name] was a major sea port and was called the London of the South. Plenty of docks and warehouses. The ship used for the image I believe was the HMS Rose, and such a ship with that one gun deck and three masts is a frigate. Brigs were used for freight, the typical merchant ship, with smaller ketches, sloops, and schooners for shallow water ports. This film was a historical farce, contrast it with MASTER & COMMANDER. Got to run now, keep it up mate!

[@BrandonF]

I appreciate the kind words, thank you!

[@tef_newalbionpacificmedia]

@@BrandonF No good deed should go unpunished! [LOL] As a professional naval historian I appreciate the effort you make to get these matters right, and that is worthy of praise in this age of mediocrity. Once on a film set this actor came on wearing this idiotic Fu Manchu mustache [18th century film] with his British uniform. The Director looked at me and said 'is that right?' and I said "NO". The actor whined and got to keep it and I just shook my head in disgust. The film was a pilot by the way and got laughed out of a screening in Hollywood later on, got sold to late night Turner movies. It was even below Hollywood standards! Carry on, I have to get back to work, scripting two documentary's right now.....and no, I am not at liberty to discuss then at this time. I will give you a heads up later when I can, OK?

[@artistradio]

I'm no ship expert but wouldn't ships be even lower in fresh water as opposed to ocean water?

[@BrandonF]

Hum, I suppose that makes sense, though I wonder if it would be such a significant degree as to be relevant here or in nautical history. Something to look into!

[@wayneantoniazzi2706]

Theoretically but not enough to be concerned about.

[@williamcarter1993]

my god I love watching you blast the shit out of this movie. When you're finally done killing it to death, I think you should try evaluating a movie you think is really good

[@petermillist3779]

Thanks Brandon. As a Brit, I find The Patriot totally offensive and insulting. That we came second is accepted ( with massive French assistance), is accepted. But to be depicted as idiotic baboons and Nazis really is too much.

[@acrylicsuperstar]

Brandon F. You have read my mind. I been waiting for you to discuss the battle of Camden for quite a while. And just to point out something that battle scene got right. I actually see two things. One: The commands the officers gave. Two different commands during the second command structure for ordering your soldiers to fire. American regulars: "Make ready! Take aim! Fire!" British regulars: "Make ready! Present! Fire!" That is one point they acrually get right. Take aim and present. Two different commands, but they mean the same thing. The second point is when Tavington's dragoons charge forward and when the camera films the American blue coat regulars. Some take off running, a handful walk backwards in fear or in confusion or they stand and die. The sight of enemy dragoons charging at you can cause you to second guess your next actions, either fight or flight. And the Betsy Ross flag being abandoned upon the ground, i see it as the color sergeat was either shot or he dropped the flag in fear and ran. Whatever the case, those are two points i think that are accurate. Am i right or wrong?

[@wayneantoniazzi2706]

At the actual battle of Camden it wasn't the American regulars, the "Continental Line" that broke and ran. American commanding general Gates stupidly put ALL the militia on his left and ALL the Continentals on his right instead if mixing them up so one could steady the other. When the British charge began the militia broke and ran leaving the Continentals unsupported. The Continentals stood fast but were overwhelmed and their general, Baron de Kalb, killed. As far as the Betsy Ross flag is concerned it's doubtful it was ever carried in combat but most Americans recognise it as THE first American flag so it's no surprise film makers use it.

[@acrylicsuperstar]

@@wayneantoniazzi2706 You took the words right out of my mouth. But you forgot one important detail of why the Virginia milita ran. They were facing Cornwallis's best troops. The British army would always put their best units at the right of its line. So Cornwallis's has his best regiments facing off against the weaker and unprepared American regiments. Rumor was that the best of the British was lead by Bloody-Ban Tarleton, the butcher of Waxhaws.

[@wayneantoniazzi2706]

@@acrylicsuperstar Right you are about "Right of the line!" Honestly though I think the milita would have broken no matter who the Brits had on the right, milita couldn't be trusted to stand fast or cross bayonets with regulars. Militia did get better as Continentals were discharged, came home, and joined local militia groups and passed on what they'd learned and helped steady the others. As far as what actually happened at the Waxhaws that's a controversy that will probably never be resolved. I've read some of Tarleton's memoirs of his time in the Carolinas and while he's not shy about crowing about his achievments he (very interestingly) doesn't say much about the Waxhaws. I couldn't help but wonder why.

[@coryspang7548]

Whenever I watch that film, I cackle with laughter when this scene shows up. The reaction from the characters, especially Tavington downing that shot, is the icing on the cake. I'm betting the actors had a fun time doing that scene.

[@nancyblair6187]

I really appreciate the point made around 24:35 about the imminent danger the people on shore would be (should be) in moments after the explosion. That's not something I'd thought about before, but it's of a piece with the rest of the film's representation of British-supporting civilians. A big deal is often made of the British targeting civilians while the Patriots do not, but how many scenes actually feature civilians who are not Patriot sympathizers? As Brandon points out here and in other videos, jobs that historically would have been done for the British Army by civilians are here carried out by British soldiers. In this scene, that the civilians on shore are not harmed has far less to do with mercy on the militia's part than with the laws of physics being bent to the filmmakers' will!

[@LordDim1]

I really do wish someone would make a reverse The Patriot. Have it be historically accurate and from the opposing perspective: The Loyalist - a movie about Colonel Tye or some other of the myriad of Black Loyalists perhaps.

[@fredjohnson9833]

Just when I'm about point out that Roland Emerich and Mel Gibson might not realize that British Sailors don't wear red coats and probably don't know what a Marine even is, Brandon goes full "Bush Did 9-11," on my ass and it's the funniest thing since the last time he did something funny

[@Winaska]

Ah yes, I fully agree @28:19 The Battle of Camden should be next. I've annoyed Brandon about this before. There are some rather accurate details with the french muskets, uniforms, etc. The actual battle itself of course had much more occur in it than what is shown in the film. And Cornwallis wasnt afraid to use open order tactics, but to show that would of course destroy the point of the movie. I'm sure Brandon will find plenty of details I've never noticed before to tear aprt as well. haha But yes, I m HERE for the Battle of Camden review. No matter what we all think of this film, can we all at least agree that the acting of Jason Isaacs and of Tom Wilkinson and the other British officers is still amazing?

[@jonathanstern5537]

"There are people with mental disabilities. That's not us. They checked. We're just stupid."

[@ryankessler9470]

The folded tin foil hat got me 😂 love your content

[@rainmanslim4611]

... OK now I REALLY wanna see what it would actually look like for a ship that size to explode via the magazine exploding.

[@oliversherman2414]

The Patriot is the worst so-called "historical" film I've ever seen

[@paulkline1574]

I was waiting for a meeting between Cornwallis and Tavinton/Tarleton where you see the latter cutting the meat off of a leg of a small animal. C: "That's unusual...lamb?" T/T: *looks up with sauce all over his mouth* "Orphan. There are so many around, it would be a shame to waste the meat." *Pan to a small pile of tiny shoes in the corner* Because eeeeevil

[@Scorcho44]

Excellent video aside, Brandon's ad spots are severely underrated.

[@BrandonF]

[@michaeldavis4651]

Ummm… I never noticed before, but… Martin’s Marvelous Mates are rowing away from the ship while the boat moves towards the ship… the oarsmen should have their backs to the direction of travel. 🤣

[@spheniscusdemersus]

Thank you Brandon. You’re videos have helped me through tough weeks. You are truly a wonderful creator. God bless.

[@BrandonF]

I'm glad I've been able to help out. Thank you for the kind words!

[@FreePrivateer]

I'm happy to see the Surprise mentioned briefly! I'm a member of that museum and they've got some awesome living exhibits. Sadly, I think the poor Surprise will need a lot of money to sail again.

[@MAGEs-of-Anarchy]

One of those portraits is actually of one of the scenes I was thinking of from a rather different battle: the Battle of the Nile was fought between the French and British in the Napoleonic Wars, and Rear-Admiral Horatio Nelson was up to his normal insanity. (There’s a reason the man is well-honored by the Royal Navy.) The portrait at 24:54 is of the sinking of L’Orient, a French warship who was at some point struck in the magazine. A couple of important notes here; this entire battle took place over… oh, I would say roughly a square mile or two, from start to finish? A large enough area for a lone man to not see everything that’s going on but small enough for a pair of war fleets to consider it cramped. Secondly ships didn’t frequently *sink*, they were usually reduced to floating hulks and either patched up and captured or left to sink of their own accord. The moment captured there is so dramatic, the blast so powerful that two entire fleets just *stopped* to stare in horror as the ship tore itself apart with a blast heard and felt for miles, the ships next to her were severely damaged and a couple were set ablaze from the debris. These weren’t inexperienced crews watching their first magazine detonation either, they’d almost all seen it before at various points. L’Orient’s was just so violent that it actually sticks out in the history books. Magazine detonations could also be called eruptions, such is the raw power of a large stock of power. A twenty gun ship, scraping the riverbed, loaded with not only her own powder but also enough for an army? If something like a 118-gun ship of the line was dramatic, this poor little thing should have been completely obliterated assuming it wasn’t 90% of the way unloaded, which it seemingly wasn’t.

[@wayneantoniazzi2706]

L'Orient MAY have been struck in the magazine but I have my doubts. My own suspicion is it may have been careless ammunition handling, or someone dropped a lantern where he shouldn't have and caused the catastrophe. Magazines were some of the best-protected parts of those warships and way down or below the waterline. But a lucky shot might have hit it. It doesn't matter. But you are correct when you mention the explosion stunned both sides into inaction, not believing what they were seeing.

[@MAGEs-of-Anarchy]

@@wayneantoniazzi2706 carelessly tossing things about sunk many a ship at Jutland; but given how strict everything was, I doubt a lantern was ever within 100 feet of that magazine. Either way, the ship erupted so violently that I doubt anyone could recount the true tale, I think it was lost with all or almost all hands.

[@thomasdarnall8912]

Fast forward to May 1941, the Battle of Denmark Straight... When the KMS Bismarck scored her lucky hit on the HMS Hood, none of the German sailors were celebrating. There were just frozen. Stunned and shocked at what they just witnessed.

[@wayneantoniazzi2706]

@@thomasdarnall8912 That reminds me of what a WW2 US Navy veteran once told me: "Sailors never cheer when they see a ship go down, even an enemy ship. "There but for the grace of God go I" is the first thing that runs through their minds. Watching the sea swallow up a ship is one of the saddest things you can see."

[@jonraybon8582]

I suppose Gibson thought that showing the British looting and imprisoning plantation owners might inadvertently show them in a positive light; the same way that he glossed over slavery in regards to Martin’s character.

[@garylancaster8612]

I've never been able to watch this film. Like I've never been able to watch Braveheart either. The annoyance and irritation at both would be immense so I don't inflict them on myself. Bloody Mel Gibson. Also, excellent and very funny work on the advert.

[@kennagel8088]

Patriot is Brave heart with muskets! Prove me wrong.

[@YavE4]

Your subtle, but great sense of humor is perfect!

[@thelordandsaviorgigachadrr888]

Brandon F. seems to treat The Patriot the way I treat dead enemy ragdolls in video games. You can never hit them too much, you may still be able to get bonus points for doing so, and they aren't dead until they despawn.

[@melonhead82]

I think that woman had one too many trips to the opium den. Also, if the explosion is that close, there would be screams of pain and anguish.

[@rhydonbeacham]

I am not trying to make a big deal about the small “deaf and dumb” comment because I know that he’s using it regarding the woman who believed the exploding ship was fireworks; I do somewhat take minor offense to it, considering that I have connections to the deaf community, specifically regarding my family. My parents are deaf, and while I myself am hearing, I take great pride in my heritage as part of the deaf community, so I will tend to bristle whenever the words “deaf and dumb” are put together. Again, I’m not trying to make a big deal about it; just saying.

[@jacobtb1]

man you really love this movie

[@BrandonF]

In a sense, it's been very good for me!

[@beans8938]

“This isn’t the Russian army” got me dying

[@Glicksman1]

I understand that The Patriot had a hard time casting the lead No one wanted to play Benjamin Martin because each actor who read the script said the same thing, that the story is nothing more than one of personal revenge for the killing of a son, and not in any way about patriotism, independence, liberty, etc. They were, of course, absolutely correct. Everything Ben does is motivated by some personal family matter and not at all about starting a new nation or the unfairness of Britain's exploitation of the colonies. Nothing of the kind ever comes from his lips or, one imagines, sits in his mind. It really is a terribly inaccurate film, even though I've seen it many times. I'm fascinated with that period and that history There are so few films about the American Revolution and The Patriot wasn't one of them.

[@snajp5134]

The people in the church were Americans, so it's sad, the sailors on the ship were British, so it's funny. Common American way of portraing things

[@methylene5]

An interesting topic would be the actual taxes levied, and how they increased after the war. It's my understanding the actual tax as a percentage of income, was between 1% and 2% on average.

[@wookie2222]

Finally someone points out the true history behind the war of independence and Cornwallis' important role in history. As Illuminatus, Mel Gibson surely knows that Cornwallis has been a time travelling reptilian archon and a reincarnation not only of Iulius Caesar but also of Alexander the Great. He was a mega mind and a big british patriot - hence the title of the movie! That british patriot who we better know under his name in our time as Winston Churchill knew that in WW2, the British would be dependant on american aid to defeat Hitler and used his time machine to travel back in time and make very clear that those pesky rebels would succeed. He used his telecinetic powers to teleport that ship to that very river and made every single officer, marine and sailor onboard play the trombone on his party. After a while, he used his laser vision to cause several explosions of the ship to make every high ranking officer who happened to be at the party clear that the rebels would win the war.

[@coconutthecockatiel478]

Also worth it, I think, to mention the woman is dressed very poorly. Her makeup is gaudy and ostentatious to further make fun of her, and her wig is... terrible. Which is honestly a problem in the whole movie, but it's still worth mentioning here

[@randeshjayawandhane2844]

Mr. Brandon, I have a suggestion. Can you discuss how the movie would look like if it wasn't so biased? Basically, rewriting of the movie without "rose tinted glasses." Also, can you please talk about the French and Spanish involvement?

[@vivelenapoleon1927]

The patriot will just never run out of farbs to talk about.

[@francismarion1786]

18:15 that was a fire verse my boy! When the album release?😂😂😂

[@nickklavdianos5136]

Clowning on the Trainwreck that is called The Patriot is one of my favourite genres in KZbin.

[@TheGreatAzbell]

I live for these patriot videos.

[@TheStapleGunKid]

I will never get tired of watching Brandon rip up "The Patriot". He could do an entire tv series on everything that's wrong with it. Real fascinating stuff about Middleton place though. I had no idea.

[@dmgroberts5471]

Indeed, why unload precious cargo that took months to cross the ocean in a secure port that you control, when you could just give the plucky "hero" a soft target. It's not like the British Empire was some huge, monolithic, industrialized entity with protocols, regulations, and set-in-stone methodology for things as basic as logistics. As for protecting their supply lines... that's what light cavalry like dragoons DO. Yes, they also dismount and fight as infantry, but you don't need elite, fully-trained cavalry to support supply lines.

[@thepuffin4050]

The saga continues...

[@BrandonF]

On and on and on and on...

[@orionspero560]

I would like to see a video on scenes in which Is the American officer class would come across unsympathetic if they were presented honestly. This one was sanitized by growing up ammunition ship is a legitimate military operation.

[@parrot849]

Brandon, you’re 100% right. Maybe you should’ve superimposed “The Stupid Lady” scene where she’s viewing the exploding ship while saying her line, except with a dubbed-in line in the earlier scene in which Patriot Mel single-handedly ambushed the supply wagon and was concluding his successful carnage by expertly butchering the last living remaining British soldier right in front of his children with his tomahawks; you know, the final frightened private he ran down and caught who fleeing for his life from the wagon and psychopath Mel😵‍💫. You could have her saying something like, “…oh marvelous, they’re demonstrating proper meat tenderizing for us…!!” It would make about as much sense as the scene they actually had in the finished movie there simply for “comic relief.” What a piece of garbage movie to impress on the American film viewing public who genuinely may wish to learn more about our war against the British crown and the start of our independence, Jeez!

[@geraltgrey-mane695]

Question? Have the river grown smaller & shallower, since the period of the movie? Just becuse its that size today, dont mean it was the same back then. ( just a fun thought) its still dumb to unload there, I am not defending the movie. Just wanted to add my thought hehe. ( sorry for any wrong spellings, english is my fourth language, and its far from perfect haha)

[@BrandonF]

Good point! I didn't look up the historical info on the river, which I should have done. Although my very non-scientifically and non-geographically inclined mind makes me think the river, if anything, would get deeper with time as sediment is carried off.

[@geraltgrey-mane695]

@@BrandonF True, true :) Great video mate loved it btw!

[@00muinamir]

I can't find any references to the historical depth online, but what I can find is that it was usually much smaller ships that were navigating this river, even back then. IMO it's not too likely that a sixth-rate ship could have made it up that far.

[@InternetDarkLord]

17:00 Actually, it was the Joker. He could rig TWO ferries without being caught.

[@DrForrester87]

*wraps his helmet in foil* It was Tavington all along! He wanted to push Lord Cornwallis to the breaking point so that he'd be given official leave to use tactics that were, as his Lordship said, "brutal" all that while embarrassing Cornwallis to his peers and superiors. Here is Lord Cornwallis, unable to beat a bunch of farmers. That way, when Tavington eventually comes in and puts to rest this "Ghost", he is able to take all the credit and glory and earn for himself the prestige he feels is due him at the same time he gets to rub his boss's nose in his own failure.

[@BrandonF]

Better watch your back with these comments! Don't want to get found by big Mel.

[@DrForrester87]

@@BrandonF I've seen the truth! I maybe sent to the forest moon of Endor to be eaten alive by ravenous teddy bears for exposing the real big lie, but Mel's secret is a secret no more!

I swear your reflection on the portrait on the wall makes the portrait alive.

[@DBSG1976]

I really appreciate the lesson on the Royal Marines, I assumed that the Marines had the Royal Prefix longer than 1802, very interesting!

[@andrewryanwasright]

19:32 like everything else in the era explosions traveled much slower in the 18th century. I’m shocked you didn’t know

[@knowshistory8740]

I doubt that there would be any screams of dying and bruning men on the ship since Mel and his super-sodiers have already killed all of them silently. 😵‍💫 Great video!

[@zanderaw]

I'm starting to think this guy doesn't much care for The Patriot.

[@vikingsundlof9040]

Can somebody tell if they are rowing the wrong way around, or are they rowing away from the ship?

[@KenR1800]

Just to be pedantic as well... you showed a scene from Saving Private Ryan that depicted a flamethrower. To my knowledge the Allies didn't use flamethrowers at Normandy...

[@radec5437]

Ah! A new "we destroy the Patriot film" episodie! Where I put my tea?! Its time to Watch!

[@BrianS1981]

Re the Americans sneaking up to the ships, they're also managing to move backwards to the ship while rowing the other way. Such a basic error.

[@sillwullivan83]

What I never got is that in this scene, beyond just starving the British of supplies, Mel had a great shot at doing far more than that. Mel and his men are all basically superhumans, as the movie shows. While they might no be able to take down the whole garrison at the plantation, they could still hold out fir a time. And Cornwallis is unguarded. Hell, Tavington is the closest thing he has to protection, and I'm fairly sure he isn't even armed in this scene. Martin and his men could've just slipped in with there magical disguises, kidnapped Cornwallis, and retreated down river. Having Cornwallis held for ransom would be tremendous. While its not very historically accurate, this is a moot claim, since this entire moving isn't very historically accurate.

[@cannonblasthistory76]

The Ashley River has a depth large enough for shipping. Maybe not large frigates, but sloops and galleys frequently went as far as Dorchester well into the 1800s. Look at harbor depth charts and primary sources.

[@TheWesDragon]

Not sure if you've noticed or not, and it is a very small thing. But after the ship explodes and Col. Tavington downs his drink from what appears to be a martini glass. The martini glass was invented in the late 19th century and it wasn't formally introduced until the 1925 Paris International Exhibition.

[@legofan4047]

We actually dicussd that in one of his streams. He will do a seperate video for all these little things that don‘t fit into the time.

[@TheWesDragon]

@@legofan4047 I look forward to it.

[@hammertoolz]

The first movie I saw with me now wife was The Patriot. She to this day still tells me off for making her laugh during the movie.

[@VexingWeeb]

14:14 Officer: who tf are you people...

[@leoscheibelhut940]

River depths change over time and "silting up" is often the result of deforestation upstream. Plantations like Mount Vernon were built along waterways, which were the highways of the day, and often loaded cargo straight for England. As for unloading not at the nearby port[1 to 1.5 days away by ox-drawn wagon], secrecy about the types of supplies being unloaded might also be a valid reason. Having picked these "nits", you are correct that there would be a flurry of activity with multiple boats if the ships were unable to tie up at the plantation's dock. The use of British army uniforms would be forgivable only if the army was assisting the Navy in multiple boats [perhaps owned by the plantation]. Up north around NYC, for awhile, American whaleboat privateers were a problem for British supply ships, but even small naval vessels were their greatest danger. From a naval point, there is no way they would unload gunpowder without an officer present to insure the safety of the ship. The lack of a ship's watch utilizing sign and countersigns if the approaching boat was unknown, is likewise unforgivable. Since the plantation was actually owned by a patriot, a better plan for the "ball" would be to have the party then burn down the plantation.

[@cosetteudx]

Fortunately I have never watched the Patriot.

[@sub7se7en]

Man, I really got to watch The Patriot again. Been years. Used to watch it on TV whenever it was on, same as Braveheart. Good times.

[@dwj6503]

One just can't get their history lesson from Hollywood. I didn't like this movie because of the lack of facts.

[@tsdobbi]

Regarding the Depth of the Ashley River, was it only 6-8 feet at the time? When I went to Galena, IL the Galena river that runs through it, looks more like a Creek. Yet in the mid 19th century, big old Steam boats and freight tugs used to traverse it. There is no way in hell a Steam boat or any sort of commercial shipping could use it now, but at the time sure, the geography changed.