IS THERE BUDDHISM WITHOUT REBIRTH? Part 1

[@jtwuchi]

Dzongsar Khyentse, in my view, is a brilliant and engaging teacher. A wonderful representative of the Tantric Buddhist schools and a practitioner/scholar worthy of deep consideration.

[@buzelbazel8176]

+James Bymaster Have you ever heared about something like "crazy yogi"-practice (someone told me about it if i remember correctly) ?... is he familiar with "crazy yogi"-practice (should be as well within the tantric sphere)?

[@cherrybarfungpa9309]

I went through the confused comments of my colleagues below and want to remind all that "Little knowledge is dangerous". You have to be a buddhist to understand and appreciate his philosophy and the school of thought that he represents. A big clap for Rimboche who never went to an English Public School yet is able to explain such difficult philosophy in such simple way to the common materialistic us! He is one teacher who is practical / honest and applies the buddhist philosophy to his daily life.

[@khendumgyabakphd8065]

one of greatest contemporary buddhist teachers of our time.

[@ManinderSingh-tw1kr]

thanks Hua , a great Master , Rimpoche has a good and clear way of explaining us lay people

[@jqchina]

very down to earth buddha. he present the fact and truth of buddism.

[@shanti3152]

Thanks for posting ! Blessings to you and to all sentient beings...

[@sylviecalvet7900]

this is a perfect demonstration of impermancence for a French of my kind : as in the past French was the other language used in international organizations ....today it is Chinese . ! May all egos benefit !

[@marcoz6269]

Amazing as always. Sarva mangalam!

[@ApeethaArunagiri]

Yes me too; I find him a very authentic person. Great teacher.

[@billyblackburn864]

thanks for posting Hua Tan!

[@mindrolling24]

Aargh! He just got to the interesting part then called for a break! I'm a member of a Tibetan Sakyapa sangha in the west. I worry that the material trappings of the rich Tibetan culture are not only not relevant to my practice of Dharma but can also be regarded as a meld of the Shakyamuni Buddha's original teachings overlaid with what my lama jokingly called one day 'Colour therapy' in relation to Vajrayana. I'm fortunate enough to be attending a talk by Dzongsar Rinpoche's next week- between now and then I think I have a lot of KZbin videos to watch and some reading to do!

[@Daisypetal100]

Ms. Hua, were you there in the audience? This gentleman is a good public speaker.

[@jamiedorsey4167]

I've been a practicing Buddhist in the Tibetan tradition for many years. Over time with the explosion of information available with the internet, I've found it essential to adopt an attitude of skepticism and critical thinking towards information and truth claims. Developing and cultivating a mindset that requires evidence or at least some line of sound inference has led me to be more skeptical of my own, and Tibetan religious claims about the nature of the world. I don't consider myself a materialist, I find the "hard problem of consciousness" compelling and wonder if there is some immaterial component of our existence. I see and hear about anecdotal evidence for karma and rebirth but wonder if the stories told about how or what is happening misses the mark. Without a rigorous scientific collection and analysis of anecdotal data how can I be expected to have confidence that Buddhist stories of what is happening and how it works aren't being affected by biases or motivated reasoning? I'm not closed to magical explanations, but in the absence of sound evidence I just want to be able to remove my mental defilements, develop wisdom and compassion without a requirement that I have absolute conviction in rebirth first.

[@didjesbydan]

You've put your finger on why Tibetan "Buddhism" has never attracted me, amd instead I find myself interested in learning more about the Theravada tradition--or any tradition that mainsins the central insight of non-self and inpermanence without making unsubstantiable ontological claims. Whether materialist or idealist or some other -ist is of no importance in this game--seeing the "I" delusion clearly has wonderful results, regardless of the ultimate reality.

[@didjesbydan]

+Dan Flynn *maintains

[@MrSanchito]

Dan Flynn Ajahn Geoff, a Theravadan teacher, says much the same about rebirth though. That is, it is a foundational teaching for then putting the entirety of Dharma in context

[@didjesbydan]

David Sanchez Oh well, perhpas I've misread the Theravadan tradition. Anyway, the dharma which I've found to be of central insight is based on experience and principles and teachings in this life, without the presumption of speculating about other lives which may or may not exist. Faith and authority are dangerous, slippery sloped. The authority gained through experience and sound method is more valuable than any traditional authority, from the perspective of the collection of constituents writing this comment. The only thing known for certain is that there is a conscious experience happening currently. To seek to end suffering by clinging to a non-empirical, unverifiable belief such as a literal rebirth is to always invite secret doubt. The other basic teachings, such as impermanence and not-self, are empirical and do not require any faith or arrogant assumptions about any "Beyond". And so they are of enduring efficacy. As far as I'm concerned, the only immediate utility of such a term as "rebirth" is to take it metaphorically as referring to a rebirth of ego-delusion in this life. But it sure is a misleading metaphor if there ever was one. Better to remain circumspect on unknowables--loosening the bonds of delusion and clinging here and now.

[@MrSanchito]

Well said. Based on the talk, and based on my own thoughts and study, are when materialists become so sure that the material precedes mind, that the material subsumes all issues of mind.

[@TheGuiltsOfUs]

Protect the Dharma!

[@TheWayOfRespectAndKindness]

According to what was said by Buddhists 500 years after Siddhartha died (which in and of itself should be considered suspect), Siddhartha said that there is nothing to be reborn. And to validate all teachings through personal experience and contemplation. My intuition is that he may have said that we gain freedom from “suffering” rebirth by not believing in it.

[@afreshlife422]

Thank you. Again!

[@kahingshiu]

words, words, words, no wonder it isn't easy!

[@alankuntz6494]

Is communicating a personal conflict between belief and science.

[@sunnybansode9113]

which language is the transalator translating in..?

[@jeanc.2636]

sunny bansode Chinese

[@jigme1968]

好像仁波切是說 現量, 證量, 比量, 聖言量. 仁波切是從因明(量論)角度說和科學家沒有討論的起點,宗因喻三支的宗支,就是說判斷的主詞,雙方沒有共同的概念,所以沒有辦法對話. 因此仁波切應該是以中觀應成派的立場來說這番話.

[@taratsering6236]

Nice

[@y9w1]

I was told last year he is not a monk since a while, and that he has a partner. I was surprised and since I saw him always wearing the robes I assumed he was a monk!! I believe there is a vinaya rule there....

[@sangyedorje]

tom wool in vajrayana Buddhism there are practitioners who wear robes (albeit slightly different than the celibate monk ones) and have families. It’s not a violation of vinaya.

[@y9w1]

Andrzej Rybszlegerr Actually there is a Vinaya rule. And in Buddhist countries (like Thailand or Burma) there is even a law. If one is wearing monk's robe without being a monk, one would be arrested for "impersonating a monk." Here the problem I see is that he looks like one but he's not one. And that is confusing people. These are some of the attitudes that can contribute to a degradation of the faith people have in the Dharma (it happened in the past, in India for example).

[@beefandbarley]

Appearances are only that.

[@timaddison868]

@@y9w1 Hi Tom, I was a monk in a Tibetan lineage for ten years. There's actually a difference in how the lower robe is folded which distinguishes a monk from a ngakpa or rinpoche. Also, only a monk would wear the outer robes of a novice and fully ordained monk - Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche only wears the tsen, the maroon shawl. (A ngakpa would have a white and red stripped tsen). So, you don't have to worry about DJK Rinpoche degrading the Dharma by wearing maroon colored robes.

[@28105wsking]

@@timaddison868 Thank you. But it is confusing for people who don't know how to 'read' the robes. I have been involved for fifty years and I didn't know that either!

[@manojkumarn2464]

Why reincarnation is not possible

[@annekemeijering6436]

ik vind het helemaal goed dat je geloofd in inkarnatie dat een ander je opvolgt

[@jigme1968]

不信因果前後世那個應該是順世派?

[@manojkumarn2464]

If there is no reincarnation or karmic theory why should we do all these meditation and sadhanas.... If we are happy with our life just live and die anyhow I am not going to born again.....

[@Iseeandalucia]

A materialist has no talk to make with a buddhist apart from the one of duality

[@poorprosperity7735]

a materialist would likely see that sentence as static.

[@Iseeandalucia]

Bodhi Dharma the drunk see two glasses where there is only one.

[@terrytong8665]

a modern pandita IMO

[@ROGERWDARCY]

According to Tibet yak killers are not created by Tibet

[@rinzingdawa1032]

Roger DArcy yak killers are created by you,man.

[@eredain1]

Holy shit, this is long and boring. Can anyone boil down his point for me?

[@beefandbarley]

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[@KevinSolway]

This monk obviously doesn't know whether rebirth is true or not. Nobody disputes the continuity of cause and effect. I would be a lot more impressed with these monks if they openly admitted "I don't know".

[@silvertenzin]

Exactly.

[@marcoz6269]

+Kevin Solway What dosn't you understand hahaha?

[@BarbarraBay]

+Kevin Solway The Buddha gave his first two sermons after which there were 6 arahants (fully enlightened minds) in the world. Neither sermon mentioned 'rebirth'. This shows there is no 'rebirth' in the core essence of Buddhism. The Buddha did not teach to "don't know". If the mind actually knows the truth, it will know there is no postmortem rebirth taught by the Buddha. The only significant 'birth' the Buddha taught about was the birth of the false view of self. In the Dependent Origination, the birth & death the Buddha explained was the 'birth' & 'death' of the false view of self or 'beings' (satta). In the Satta Sutta, the Lord Buddha explained 'being' (satta) is a mental state of craving & attachment. This is why in the scriptures, the enlightened say: 'There is no being (satta) to be found, apart from the illusion of mental constructions" (Vajira Sutta). To believe a 'being' is a life form & that 'beings' are 'reborn' life after life is the view of Mara/Satan (Vajira Sutta).

[@purpleAiPEy]

+BarbarraBay but what is the point of parinirvana if there is no ending of the karmic wheel

[@marcoz6269]

+purpleAiPEy, karma might be exhausted, but that doesn't make you disappear into "nothingness". Theres a difference in understanding in the 3 vehicle's.