Is this 16-Core AMD Opteron 6276 worth it?

[@christosswc]

Never heard of an Australian/German crossover accent before ^^

[@NorthCamZ]

Christos Segkounas Yeah usually it’s either English or American. It makes a nice change

[@dickybirdcch]

Sounds like a South African accent, they’re a bit German aren’t they?

[@vulcanitu2578]

@waffeltek australian

[@ShahhTweaks]

Vulcanitu he didn’t spell Australia wrong he said Austria a European country

[@vulcanitu2578]

@@ShahhTweaks wow really? I was saying that the guy is Australian and not Austrian

[@OzTalksHW]

Those CPUs are gonna be soooo memory starved on those boards, but for fun projects, it doesn't matter! Thanks for looking into G34. I snagged an ASUS G34 board for like $180 over a year ago and it's still super expensive. Glad to see cheap ones have come out

[@Lady_Zenith]

I used to have dual interlagos, unlocked 12C ES samples that were overclockable trough Turion power control, but the whole thing was horrible and I sold it soon after. Even at 3,4Ghz allcore it was still a bulldozer so the gaming IPC was garebage (locking them to single die helped onyl very litte) inside this thing is just two bulldozers glued together, its a numa setup, one of those CPUs are factually two CPUs inside, its bad in all areas and this platform resulted in AMD dropping in servers to basically 0 and there is a good reason for it. The 2011 Xeons absolutely destroy this. They win by a bit in the tasks that thread ideally and in everything else they win by landslide.

[@hunterfabio]

Yeah to be honest I would use it for myself for something just for fun, I have my Ryzen 7 1700 but I love messing around with a lot of pc's

[@DB-nl9xw]

How much memory can you use?

[@rvborgh]

@@Lady_Zenith that is why i used 61xx ES chips and OC two of the cores on each die to 3.7 GHz and then assign threads just to the fast cores. Much better IPC than BD.

[@rvborgh]

Yes, definitely memory starved.

[@TimmyJoePCTech]

Unfortunately the PCIe gen 4 5700 has issues with many older platforms, I was having issues as well in several situations.

[@bhume7535]

yaaay, backwards compatibility!

[@philscomputerlab]

Glad it's not just me...

[@haziqsembilanlima]

so it's not recommended for older platform? Sandy/Ivy Bridge for example

[@stonent]

@@philscomputerlab I wonder if there's any firmware out there for those cards so they will behave a little better? Or maybe try running the card through one of those x1 / 2 / 4 to x16 cables. Might cut down on the stress of the bus. Worth a try if you have one of those (I think I remember a video putting a GPU in a Wyse or HP thin client using one)

[@philscomputerlab]

@@haziqsembilanlima Works just fine with Ivy Sandy...

[@WizardNumberNext]

Running this kind of Opteron on Dual Channel configuration we are talking about effective 8 cores, as other 8 cores have no RAM and actually have to access memory thorough other 8 cores. The reason why this motherboard exists evades any logic.

[@juniperburton7693]

Would quad channel memory double the performance?

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Was the g34 platform quad chanel? 771 was only dual chanel.

[@vasilynekrasov3161]

It's not even dual channel, it single channel. Look at 3:40

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

@@HAL9000system you're right indeed.

[@mamailo2011]

Is single Chanel x2 , not dual

[@deneb_tm]

"X89" and two non-ECC memory slots on a server platform, what even is China lmao

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea these motherboards are certainly interesting :D

[@kruxdt6307]

All Chinese x79 support ecc probably the manufacturer didn't give a shit about making the most of amd opterons

[@aarongarza4769]

China = commie conartists

[@louistournas120]

I don't think you need ECC these days. If non-ECC RAM works fine for desktops, why do servers require them? //OK ok, no problem. Perhaps ECC can catch some errors. Is it possible to see if an error was corrected with ECC RAM?

[@schastain007]

@@louistournas120 kzbin.info/www/bejne/opXLgmOXbpKigdU Tech Quickie ECC memory

[@Ojref1]

One other thing, I'd recommend using Abu Dhabi cores of the 6300 series, specifically the 8 core Opteron 6328, which can boost up to 3.8 GHz. Its a clock-optimized FX core, and the fastest Opterons made. I use 2 on the guest workstation. That, and making sure you have 4 channels of memory for each processor, and DDR3 1866 (supported by the Supermicro I'm using) or as a minimum DDR3 1600.

[@kozad86]

lol, its 2011 price is almost the same at the Ryzen 9 3950X 2019 price.

[@ssssaa2]

Like FX series it's 16 cores are in 8 physical modules so it's not really 16 core like 3950x is for most purposes.

[@spatch7414]

@@ssssaa2 am i retarded or there isn't a 16core fx

[@ssssaa2]

@@spatch7414 There isn't but this CPU is similar to them in that its 16 cores is not really accurate compared to intels CPUs at the time or ryzen CPUs.

[@dev9033]

Ruzen 3950x price will be $20 in 2050

[@v3xyiwnl796]

In 2050 you need to give people money to take ryzen 3950x from you im pretty sure

[@infinity2z3r07]

Amusing how many CPU names end with "ON" 😁 Celeron Sempron Opteron Xeon Athlon

[@louistournas120]

Ryzon

[@3800S1]

Pention

[@Tobsn0312]

Snapdragon

[@StefanReich]

Not to forget the Intel Aton

[@rdmz135]

Threadrippon

[@TechWithSean]

Oh man, the Opteron. You’re really taking me back in time

[@Rainbow__cookie]

Who needs ryzen 9 when you have this

[@philscomputerlab]

LOL

[@alexstromberg7696]

@ButtmasterFlex69 lmao you missed the joke

[@nathanhamman418]

If you dont want yours, ill gladly "recycle" it for you

[@untipoqualunque]

@ButtmasterFlex69 r/wooosh

[@chxrleezy]

ButtmasterFlex69 r/wooosh

[@fu4ien]

I remember recommending you to check out this cpu and I'm glad you did. It was worth watching and it's a good addition to your collection.

[@vogonp4287]

This cpu will make a fine addition to my collection.

[@Choralone422]

I agree with you 100% on not recommending the G34 platform compared to LGA 2011 or even a 1st gen Ryzen. A good mainboard can be fairly expensive and the board you were able to get has way too many drawbacks. The dual channel memory design is bottlenecking the CPU, which needs all the help it can get! It also goes to show that without higher clock speeds the Bulldozer architecture is rather disappointing, even with that many cores. I'm not saying it's bad. It's just not as good as it's competition. IMO an AMD fan on a tight budget building a gaming PC would be better off buying a decent B450 motherboard and dropping in a cheap Ryzen CPU. Then later upgrading to a Ryzen 3600 or 3700X in the future or possibly even a 4000 series chip after they're released. There's a fairly good chance today's decent B450 board might be future compatible with it.

[@girthquake1413]

Agreed. I use a B450M and to be frank, I would only 'upgrade' to something bigger and more if I was trying to do VR or something specialized. Even my little 2600X still punches above it's weight in cost and AMD has made no grumblings about moving from the AM4 socket architecture. Worse come to worst I'll get a 3700 of some stripe in the future and a bigger cooler.

[@bitelaserkhalif]

Possibly bad news, it won't be compatible with 4000 due to bios EEPROM is too small But let's hope we are seeing modded bios chip with bigger size

[@cmuc6114]

@@bitelaserkhalif my b450 i aorus pro wifi have 128mb for bios ,so i dont buy that excuse. mobo makers will probalby make bios for it

[@INFINITEShoobes]

Yeah 7:51

[@thepcenthusiastchannel2300]

I have a friend who loves those CPUs. I find them to be power hogs for the performance they can muster. Their VM support is also lacking many new features making Ryzen CPUs better tailored towards VM use than these Opterons. As a result, I don't see any use for them. They're really cool and all but just not really useful.

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea that sums it up nicely...

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

This is allready an old architecture. Basicly was the intel 775/771 competitor. These are becomming to old now to function as suitable replacements for modern systems.

[@cesaru3619]

@@philscomputerlab Opteron lives matter!

[@mohdfaizal6773]

@@cesaru3619 the latest🍦😅, is the greatest, at a cost though. 😘👍

[@vyor8837]

Was faster than the competition when it launched at least.

[@survivalistboards]

I could see using this in a virtualized setting, something like Virtualbox and running multiple OSs at one time. There are motherboard combos on ebay where you can get the motherboard and two AMD Opteron 6276 cpus. For someone wanting to set up a testing platform this looks pretty good.

[@jakegarrett8109]

Just zip tie the cooler (guide for nearly every type of mounting situation below) This one is a bigger challenge, easiest is to go “1 big zip tie” through both holes and over the top of the cooler fan. Since you need skinny zip ties to go through the hole, you’ll end making a chain (not visually like a chain link, but using the ratchet of one on the zippy part of the other). That’s it, 45 second solution. Alternative method for one hole on each side and easy heatsinks to grab onto: Insert like a bolt (“threaded” side would be the clicky side, bolt head would be the locking tab side). Insert backwards through board, this allows the front the clicky side (the back tab is fatter acting like a bolt head smashing the backplate down). Next loop it around a heatpipe and go back through the motherboard hole. You’ll probably need a round spacer So the zip tie can connect without bending too sharply, so either cut a short piece off a tie envious or PVC pipe or whatever trash that’s kind of round and place this at the back of the board, then zip tie around this (if you’re using really wimpy or flexible zip ties this might not be needed, but it’s just giving bend/strain relief at the back). Normally for like AM4/AM3+/AM3/FM2/Intel 771/775/and a bunch more (4 holes), these are WAY easier! Insert though back of motherboard, then wrap around heatpipes/cold-plate (whatever is solid and lined up best), then insert through the second hole next to it, and then crank down the tension at the back (it’s just one big loop per side, so it’s easy to get mounting pressure right). If you have holes (like a waterblock), insert through back of board and up through the waterblocks mounting holes (like if it’s socket 771 going onto AM4), and then use the ratchet of a second zip tie on the top (basically it acts like a nut, so you only need the locking tab part and you can trim either a new or used zip tie since it doesn’t need the strip side). It’s very easy, I use this method to mount an LN2 cooler to basically anything (CPU/GPU), and it can allow a lot of mounting pressure with 4 adjustable sides. I can slap a cooler on in under 2 minutes (probably blindfolded, it’s way easier and faster than most commercial mounting systems). Hope this helps, cheers!

[@krigelkorren]

Let me just start by saying that I love PhilsComputerLab, he makes my day whenever he decides to give us a new video so thanks a lot for that! I own this very same motherboard, it exists from many different sellers on E-bay, AliExpress etc. but I've have had a very different experience from what PhilsComputerlab showed in the video. Firstly: This motherboard actually DOES support DDR3 ECC memory both regular DDR and LDDR. -I happen to have a lot of RAM sticks laying around at home to test with so that is confirmed. The exact RAM sticks I tested with: 2x8GB 2Rx4 PC3 10600R-9-10-E1 (HMT31GR7BFR4C-H9 D7 AB) 2x8GB 2Rx4 PC3L 10600R-9-10-E1 (HMT31GR7BFR4A-H9 D7 AE) Both of the above sets operated flawlessly, it also reported ECC to the system but as most people know, trying to produce bit errors to test the ECC-functionality is a quest on it's own. PhilsComputerLab probably used a pair of differently specced RAM sticks which were unsupported/incompatible by the BIOS or chipset. It is pretty common that some motherboards do not run on certain ECC memory specifications, dual-ranked, quad-ranked you name it. -It's a whole different world in the server market than looking for consumer RAM modules, mark my words on this, if you plan on going there you must first read up on those things! This is the main reason why server MB manufacturers usually have a list of verified/certified vendor memory to display, that is unfortunately not included for this board so I totally see if this is new grounds for PhilsComputerLab. The G34 is a pure legacy server socket, so I doubt that they would have put any effort into stripping out just the ECC functionality, that really would not make any sense. However, using the G34 platform for games unoptimized for the sheer amount of cores it provides is like kicking on somebody already lying on the ground, in fact the Windows platform is only now becoming more prone to handling 8+ threads well so most gaming scenarios would never even make sense in it's current state. Games were built for what was used by the consumers at that time which was 4 cores clocked high with an optional 8 threads that were never really used in games during the period for this platforms existence. The sweet spot for the G34 platform is completely the server space, it's quite a capable ATX-board for e.g. a mini-server (yes it's ATX, NOT m-ATX, it's about half a centimeter too big to be an m-ATX, just so you all know to make sure your case have some extra room!) in which case I would personally go for the low-powered AMD Opteron 6366 HE (OS6366VATGGHK) as it tops out at 85W and provieds 16cores/16threads. Now, Ryzen or newer platforms is of course a lot more efficient performance-wise but also a lot more expensive for a whole system as 16GB-32GB RAM (DDR3 ECC) + G34 MB + G34 CPU (possibly incl. a cooler) can be had for as low as ~150-200USD. Secondly: I did get a cooler included in my purchase. I had older ones for the G34 socket laying around as I was not expecting to actually get a cooler bundled with a new motherboard for just about 55USD, so it seems to be different depending on which seller you buy from, I bought mine off Ebay, but they indeed seem to use the same exact number of stock photos in their advertisements for the product. I ran my setup with an AMD Opteron 6172 (12core/12threads) and a Yaston RX550 GPU (Thank you so much Phil for reviewing that card and posting liks to AliExpress in a previous video!) so the included cooler in my case works fine as far as the performance goes. So to sum it up: I just wanted to provide a few corrections here, IMO there were some misinformation in the video, I just want to make a small contribution back to Phil for him making great videos for us all to enjoy that I have otherwise always found to be very informative and useful, and so I also want them to be as correct as possible, since I feel that's what he ultimately strives for in his videos. This is not at all aiming to miscredit PhilsComputerLab whatsoever, these are new grounds for him and it's totally understandable that it's hard to get it a 100% right all the time when recording. I just want his already great videos to server the Internet even better and contain the correct information. Thanks for the amazing work Phil, your channel and videos deserve more recognition!

[@philscomputerlab]

Thanks for the update! I did indeed just try a single pair of RAM and not a range, which I should really have done.

[@krigelkorren]

@@philscomputerlab Yes, well it's easy to make a mistake like that. Server RAM can be really awkward on certain boards. Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year, take care man!

[@Cagnulein]

@Krigelkorren i was thinking about this build for a proxmox server. What do you think? Is there any better for the same budget?

[@austin102496]

I bought a cheap Chinese board to play with a few FX based 12 core Opterons! Honestly they were fun little processors. I wish I could've messed with overclocking them Edit: I used the same board you showed

[@KasparOnTube]

Phil: *68FPS - it's borderline playale* me watching video with my netbook type laptop where I do gaming often 10..15fps: *oh 0.o*

[@kris-wj3wj]

dude save up $300 at least and you can build something 100x better! Put away $20 a week and you could have a new pc in a few months!

[@KasparOnTube]

@@kris-wj3wj Nah.. I could buy it today without saving as well but - it's just not priority for me :)

[@superlumbagoman9370]

@@kris-wj3wj 20 a week? Man it sucks to live in a third world country 😢

[@kris-wj3wj]

@@superlumbagoman9370 are you directing that towards me or you? Lol.

[@kris-wj3wj]

@@KasparOnTube my bad I thought you were saying you were having trouble saving for it lol. My pc is 6 years old and it's not a priority for me either right now. I could get build a High end pc right now as well but I just dont game enough anymore to justify it. Especially when I still get 80fps in new games right now when I play them. Its good enough.

[@juniperburton7693]

AMD is consistent with the 16 core pricing.

[@shmiah1]

Really fantastic video, and look forward to every Fridays, keep it up pal!

[@Minitomate]

This Opteron is a buldozer in terms of cores, but the poor clock per core it makes this fall behind other similar options.

[@Fl0yt]

Not only poor clock, but also pathetic IPC like all AMD CPUS based on modules.

[@WorldJustice5]

Hurray for ryzen

[@WorldJustice5]

Nathaniel Smith Intel has yet to seek 7nm

[@conicEllipse]

The Opteron series has always been a solid option for virtual hypervisors.

[@mnatilli9161]

The front panel connectors (for power button and such) are most often standardized so you can always Google a diagram and easily find an image of it. The only time I've ever seen a non-standard front panel connectors have been on OEM boards like those from the Dell Optiplexes and inspirons.

[@hikikomorihachiko]

The lack of ECC memory on this board is a shame. I've considered messing around with older dual-socket G34 boards in the past, though I just don't really see the point, especially as the performance of even these 16-core G34 Opterons is around about what you can expect from an 8-core AM3+ processor.

[@mapesdhs597]

And slower than a $10 6-core XEON. :D

[@cmuc6114]

actualy like a 4 core fx , not even a 8 core .

[@virtualtools_3021]

Might as well just go dual x79 with a super micro board, better in all aspect

[@NeuroScientician]

you could just buy old Dell or HP server with two of these processors for about $100

[@Mdudeman13]

85Damix A couple years ago I got a Dell Poweredge R805 for $60 on eBay(including shipping!), it had 18GB of ram and 2 quad core opterons that I upgraded to 6-core 2435’s, unfortunately, it refuses to recognize any video card I’ve tried. I ended up running Folding at Home over the winter months to keep my dorm room a little warmer. The crazy bit is my USFF optiplex with an i7-3770S runs circles around those cpus at 1/3 the power consumption.

[@DanafoxyVixen]

Good luck paying the shipping of a Server

[@NeuroScientician]

@@DanafoxyVixen In the UK it's iften free or about £15 ($20) for the next day delivery, often possible to combine multiple servers under single shipping charge.

[@SilverSpoon_]

server motherboards are shit, they of course are perfect for LAN>SATA but not really for the graphics, rather lurk on eBay for a decent board that has a PCIE wiht a decent chipset, even on dual processors it's more worth it. unless you want your own warez webserver on TOR network at home.

[@first-thoughtgiver-of-will2456]

Ive been waiting for this thank you so much!

[@GameplayandTalk]

Interesting. I've heard of Opteron CPUs but haven't seen them until now. Shame it doesn't perform as good as one would like, but it was still a neat experiment. Thanks for the video!

[@bdhale34]

Going to go out on a very very strong supportive limb here and blame a lot of the performance problems on the cheap knockoff motherboard that isn't even close to feature compatible with official Opteron boards... something from SuperMicro would have shown it off better.

[@ForOdinAndAsgard]

These puppies were build to populate server racks. They are quite rare for the normal consumer market. If used as intended with 4 of them on a board this is really still a good chip for a small server of a startup company who need a server but don't have that much green$. Not the fastest but they are cheap and very reliable. Also though having 16 cores they come in tandem on the same shared resource controller so they act more like a 8 core HTT.

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

Congrats on a million views!

[@emp.splash]

I never knew they made 16 core Bulldozer parts. Horrible uarch, but props for the find, this is a very rare part. Great video!

[@virtualtools_3021]

It's 2 4 module 8thread dies glued together

[@InsertPi]

I actually built a dual-CPU Opteron 6380 system using a server motherboard for a very narrow use case I have as a developer (parallelism scalability testing) and this CPU is a killer. Throw more channels of RAM at it (I'm using 8-channel) and get a higher-clocked model (like I mentioned, the 6380 as opposed to the 6276) and go for a multi-CPU configuration, and it actually beats out my i7 system quite easily. For gaming, it's not optimal, but it's my primary development workstation. Very happy with my purchase.

[@jbritain]

How can you call 60fps "barely playable" when most non gaming monitors can't display any framerates higher than that?

[@marlon.8051]

60fps is extremely playable

[@loldd4797]

60 fps is unplayable on 60 mhz monitor. FPS is only one thing, there is latency too and it sucks. I can see difference between 65 and 105 fps on 60 mhz monitor with no problem.

[@jbritain]

@@loldd4797 First of all, it's Hz, not MHz. Second of all, there is no difference between 100fps on 60hz and 60fps on 60hz

[@mikem9536]

@@loldd4797 LOL sure you do.

[@loldd4797]

@@jbritain Yes, there is. Its named input lag.

[@Nettechnologist]

Would be interested to see how it runs on productive tools like Blender instead of games that are affected by GPU.

[@SajjadAli-do8rs]

Stanley Kurasaki clicked this video for same reason

[@RobColbert]

He gives the Cinebench score which is indicative of the level of performance you can expect in Blender to an extent. Verdict: $20 CPU is neat, but "not very exciting" in the Cinebench score. The processor isn't the problem. That ridiculous motherboard is the problem. If you can find a good home for this processor, you can get it to do interesting work. For Blender, get a massive GPU and throw RAM at everything. I use an NVIDIA 1070 on 4 Intel cores (8 threads) and love it. It Blends.

[@cmuc6114]

i saw at cpuz is the same as a fx-4100 about 2400 multi . so thats what to expect

[@cyancoyote7366]

"Around 60 FPS, sometimes higher, sometimes lower" "Lower the settings to medium to make it a bit more playable" *me barely hitting 40 FPS* Okay... :'(

[@Mdudeman13]

*sighs in gt210*

[@Cesar-ot1xk]

You can buy an combo with a 1356 socket motherboard 16gb of ram and a xeon e5 2420 that is good for gaming for 78€/dollar

[@superlumbagoman9370]

@@Cesar-ot1xk where?!

[@Cesar-ot1xk]

@@superlumbagoman9370 aliexpress

[@freelanceart1019]

Buy x4 880k athlon overclock it 4.9ghz aka 5ghz.

[@annoyinguser]

First video I've seen from you and it's amazing

[@danodden9783]

I wonder what kind of performance it would offer with quad channel memory.

[@techniksaal254]

Nice1 as always Phil. Imho though I think you should concider a follow up to this video having a look at a productivity stand point i.e. video editing comparing it to your current system. Also maybe some 7-zip, Blender, R15, R20, transcoding and the like since this should be a more suitable playground for that puppy.

[@SuperCookieGaming_]

these cpus can be used in a quad cpu config so 64 cores is possible. even a couple years ago these things were cheap. I was planning (as a kid mind you this was never going to happen) on making quad cpu system to run as a server for minecraft and other stuff

[@DragonBallNOW]

Found one of these out on the road. Thought i'd search it up. low and behold I ended up here ;) U got el subscriber

[@DragonBallNOW]

Fr tho this CPU is useless now due to the energy consumption. Kinda sad though that all these are going to waste

[@AtariBorn]

All those cores and threads, definitely a prime candidate for a home server. Stream all of your media over LAN and keep an Unreal Tournament and Quake server running 24/7.

[@johnconnor2402]

But the power bill..

[@TheJuggtron]

I have 2 of these :) - they replaced 2 6180SE's. Got a couple of 6380's to replace them. Still worth running as a cruncher. Quad channel RAM is pretty much the only advantage of the platform, my ASUS board is totally skittish with the ram though. Edit - is it running with 2 NUMA nodes? I thought games couldn't see across them?

[@Chozo4]

It is 2 NUMA nodes, yes, but I think because it otherwise identifies as a single physical package it is usable across nodes.

[@jpjude68]

i had also a problem with ECC memory when building a fileserver: the Registered ECC RAM gave a RAM error, and i think sellers sell buffered Ram as Registered ECC RAM if i remember?... But using UNbuffered ECC RAM worked.

[@romanrm1]

Yes, buffered and registered are basically different words for describing the same thing.

[@sandroenglisch9537]

64gb

[@nocte_dieque]

Desc: "16 core server CPU" Me: _Glances over at my 3900x gaming rig_ (๑•﹏•)

[@zuestoots5176]

Talk about overkill says the guy who daily drives a 900hp 4 door..

[@yonkobuster112]

yep those extra cores are useless for gaming

[@nocte_dieque]

@@yonkobuster112 I went up a few cores for virtual machines and streaming...

[@HarimauKotak]

Me : Crying with Core2Duo E6400

[@mikem9536]

@Lord Anzes There's no benefit going over 8 cores for gaming.

[@newroo]

"haven't seen active chipset cooling in a long time" - X570 Enters the room

[@krishansinghnathawat9841]

B450 Steel legend has left the server

[@boktorinator693]

Wow I just saw an ad for this CPU on ebay this morning Cool video!

[@philscomputerlab]

What a coincidence.

[@dy7296]

2:24 "AMD Snapdragon 6000 series" Qualcomm: "Wait, that's illegal." Thanks for 54 likes

[@INMARIPROJECT]

Lmaoooo

[@bruvyagood3467]

Lmaoooo

[@weltsiebenhundert]

Lool

[@SamsungGalaxyA-dv8gh]

Lool

[@JMNTLRDRX]

Lool

[@802Garage]

Great job doing cool videos like this on a budget! I see your channel has grown a lot. You definitely deserve it. :)

[@h1tzzYT]

Okay im going to be that guy, ~60fps is almost perfect for most people, unless you were facing some serious stutter calling it almost playable is nonsensical to me. I really enjoy watching your vids, its just... that phrase kinda triggered me :D As always interesting vid and cpu choice.

[@philscomputerlab]

All good :D

[@kingneutron1]

Hell, some of us were happy to get 30FPS out of the original Halo PC...

[@Gave-rf1hr]

No, you are not "that guy" dude in the video is mad af, calling 60 fps unplayable ? Gimme a break..even himself afterwards says you need 60 for gaming so wth

[@achu-7941]

Not to be that guy to crash the party, but there are high refresh rate monitors that could benefit from "excess frames", going from 60hz all the way to 265hz in the spectrum is like comparing a smog riddled city to crisp clean day on the country side. that is if you have adequate hardware to go beyond 60 frames per second

[@raycert07]

@@achu-7941 any frames used above your refresh rate is wasted.

[@internziko]

Thanks for all the great content

[@kienanvella]

I actually have a workstation based on two of these CPUs, on a used supermicro H8DGU-F board. It's an awesome system, at least under Linux.

[@kevgardner3064]

i have H8DGi-F and u can overclock them with a modded bios area51dev.blogspot.com/p/ocng5-introduction.html i run mine at 3ghz all cores

[@_mend4mad_11]

how long it takes to compile kernel, chromium and such?

[@kienanvella]

@@_mend4mad_11 I don't do many kernel/chromium compiles recently, but I'll do a compile tonight as a test for you. My day job is as a sysadmin, so my primary use for this much horsepower is for VMs and LXC containers, mostly for serving media over the network and some lab stuff. I have a 24 drive DAS attached to an LSI SAS card, running ZFS across the DAS. My main workstation is actually a VM on the host with pcie passthrough for the GPU.

[@TheMadhatter2561]

I remember wanting this type of CPU and a quad socket motherboard for F@H (Folding at Home) computing to get the maximum PPD.

[@kingneutron1]

I still think it would be interesting to run this setup for a week on Folding and Rosetta@Home to see what kind of throughput you get / bang for the buck

[@cybercat1531]

Only board I personally find worth buying for this platform as a collector is the SuperMicro H8DGI-F since it supports overclocking and Dual Socket configurations

[@philscomputerlab]

Sounds like it's going to be a bit expensive?

[@markm0000]

Bulldozer wasn’t seen as very desirable to start with. I don’t think collecting it would make any financial sense.

[@cybercat1531]

@@markm0000 Well as a collector, financial sense has long gone out of the window anyhow XD I used to have a dual socket H8DGi-F with 2x 6380's in it as a server. Those where overclocked to 3.8Ghz. But I sold it in 2017 since I needed the cash and because it just wasn't viable to run anymore and it got replaced with a single threadripper system.

[@markm0000]

Cyber Cat empty beige cases are $200 on eBay. There’s electronics out there that are worth collecting.

[@3800S1]

Ah finally! been waiting for someone to review one of these.

[@EnvAdam]

oh hey I just bought a 16 thread AMD CPU except the motherboards cost a boatload..... (TR 1900X) *sad noises* that being said I personally dont recomend opteron CPUs unless just for fun or absolutely bone cheap. 2:58 - as a joke you'll find people calling that a gravity mount in the OC scene. 6:27 - It is 100% something to do with UEFI, I know on polaris GPUs you can just work around this but I know nothing at all about navi.

[@philscomputerlab]

Gravity Mount??? LOL I guess I just picked up a new word :)

[@Airbag888]

Opterons used to be good value then bulldozer came along and ruined it for AMD. Thank goodness zen architecture turned things around

6:27 - I was thinking the exact same thing. The RX 5700 needs a motherboard with UEFI support, the RX 480 probably has a Legacy mode / regular BIOS support

[@UltimateAlgorithm]

@@philscomputerlab how is this Opteron compared to Ryzen 9 3950X? Both have the same core count of 16.

[@EnvAdam]

@@UltimateAlgorithm the 3950X is probably 400% faster considering a opteron is on the bulldozer arch and that is both a decade old but it was slow for its time.

[@KentuckyFriedFixes]

You can find the 2 fan mounting brackets for the mainboard on Ebay, they will allow you to use an AM3 or AM4 clip on type cooler. Search "DIY CPU Cooler mount set for AMD Socket C32 G34 heatsink bracket With Screws"

[@cgriggsiv]

That processor was actually meant for servers and video editing Not gaming but there are limits for this CPU for games as you found

[@antonnym214]

I just found your channel. Interesting and fun video! I really enjoy your choice of subject matter and your narration is excellent. I subscribed. Alle guten Wünsche!

[@toku777]

This is more exciting than getting new gen cpus.

[@TheDarkToes]

For $20 I have to agree. Not very power efficient, but it works. :D

[@flame2385]

@@TheDarkToes you can get a 10x lot for under 100$ lol

[@MarceloTezza]

Hey Gos! Welcome to out froday video!

[@borisvokladski5844]

Interesting to see how the different games use the CPU. Some of the games use almost all cores, and Crysis only uses few cores.

[@RonaldBradycptgmpy]

I love your videos, dude. Thank you for such an interesting video on a platform I've never seen before

[@DanielLopez-up6os]

Next Time just ziptie the cooler to it.

[@popcapk5536]

Ltt style

[@alexmihai22]

I finished Crysis 2007 on an AMD Phenom II 965 o.c. at 3.8GHz, with an AMD HD 6870 (not recommended right now). 2x 4GB DDR3-1600MHz Kingmax, 24” display.

[@wiliusundefined8666]

It still impresses me today, how AMD fitted 16 cores in this CPU. I mean back in 2009 CPUs were manufactured, using a 45nm process. The dies of this chip are massive. (The chip has 2 seperate dies, similar to the Core 2 Quad or the Pentium D. I delidded one for fun (don't worry it was already dead) Sadly I forgot to take pictures and I don't have this chip anymore)

[@LocoMe4u]

Most ryzen also have 2 cpu dies

[@mapesdhs597]

Debate rages on the definition and AMD's use of the word cores in this context, because BD uses a shared FP resources design that really hurts it in many scenarios. That coupled with less than stellar IPC meant it was slower than Ph2 in many cases. Personally I don't regard them as true cores, mainly because they simply don't behave like true cores (the 8150 could barely beat a stock 2500K for CB MT, a CPU with half the "cores" and no HT, though it was priced similarly) The 8150 did better with various integer workloads, though sometimes the IPC held it back. See: www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/7 Failing to solidly beat an 1100T was bad optics. For all the time spent, they would have been far better off adding two more cores to Ph2, tweaking the design a bit and if possible moving to a new node. An AMD engineer blamed much of the BD woes on the use of automated design tools, but we'll never be able to compare to the what-if. Thank grud for Ryzen. Heh, BD though is almost a tech analogue of Molyneux's saying about bad times creating good men. :D ie. if they had simply evolved Ph2 instead (which would have done ok-ish I suppose but still not competed with X79), it's unlikely Zen would have come about because the pressure to come up with something much better would not have been there. This is why Tom of MLiD said he found Intel engineers actually to be quite animated these days because finally they're being told to go for it, instead of milking 4-core annual tweaks for the cash flow. I'm sure Intel will come back, but it's going to take a while.

[@wiliusundefined8666]

@@mapesdhs597 mapesdhs I apologize. I made a small mistake here. I talked about the K10 16 core Opteron, despite the fact, that this is a Bulldozer chip. How silly from me. Thank you, for telling me, I appreciate that a lot. I won't do the mistake next time. I should have known better.

[@wiliusundefined8666]

@@mapesdhs597 Looks like, I wasn't paying enough attention. I really embarrssed myself with this comment, didn't I?

[@mashedpotatoes5323]

@@wiliusundefined8666 wait the core 2 quads have 2 dies?

[@vipervidsgamingplus5723]

Opteron is the old server platform from A.M.D. replaced by the Epyc server processors

[@mapesdhs597]

7:26 - So it scores 1402 for CB R20? Just to put that into context given other cheap CPUs which have been popular recently, the 6-core XEON E5 2420 v2 (which costs less than $10) scores 1436. Bulldozer cores were more like snoozedozer. Here's some early GTA V data with the XEON, testing mostly with a 780 Ti atm (so VRAM capacity is an issue), will test with an RX 580, 1080 Ti, etc. later (notice how performance converges at high res/detail, and the avg is above 60 at 1080p/Low, the target for budget builds): www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/gtav.txt Some CPU data: www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/tests-jj.txt Ali ref: www.aliexpress.com/item/33013152266.html

[@nonameyet2205]

Yeah its way too slow even back then, the quad core 2200G scores 1418 in cinebench r20 despite having 12 less cores than this opteron lol.

[@mapesdhs597]

@@nonameyet2205 Someone pointed out that the CPU was only running single channel which probably hurts it a bit (20% or more I expect), but even so it's still pretty woeful given the core count. Contrast this to the dual-XEON 2640 config I just put together, CPUs that cost me only 15 UKP each (and the 64GB/1866 ECC was less than 60 UKP), it scores 3041 for CB R20 which is not bad at all (about the same as a Ryzen 1700), infact it's taken the top spot on my results table and is the first to break the 1K mark for Arion Bench. It won't be there long though, dual 2650 v2 coming next, then dual 2680 v2; the former is the more interesting option, decently affordable and with better clocks, I'm looking forward to seeing how well 16 cores of cheap XEON can do for productivity & gaming. :D I wouldn't recommend 2680 v2s though (too expensive), just so happened I already had a couple in two separate complete systems that I can extract for testing. Plus I'm sceptical as to whether the dual-S2011 board could handle the load, we'll see. It runs the 2640s ok though, good temps, load VRM of about 42C. See: www.aliexpress.com/item/33020757992.html

[@DeViLzzz2006]

Not even finding an X89 socket CPU on there now when doing a search. (Update: Like someone said it is G34 socket and the motherboard type is X89 and so I was not finding them.) As someone who wants to build anything pretty much eh I found that the performance was fine other than Crysis and with many games in the backlog4life I wouldn't mind having this cpu one day but then again finding a proper motherboard and cooler = an interesting task. Anyway thanks for the video and recommendations and one mention you made was the AMD FX 6300 and my son is still running that to this day. It suits his needs and that is all that matters.

[@Chozo4]

There is no X89 socket. Look for Socket G34.

[@DeViLzzz2006]

@@Chozo4 thanks for informing me of this.

[@reki353]

not being able to use registered dimms is not a disadvantage to be honest

[@troop5100]

Great videos. Keep up the great content.

[@christianpagani6609]

What tipe of RAM it needs to work? It needs RAM server or RAM desktop and at what frequencies? (Sorry for my bad english)

[@patrickregis1]

Great video, thanks. Would you add some benchmark with virtualization, like Proxmox, as 16 CPU is very interesting.

[@mbntr2363]

I love that northbridge cooler

[@IndellableHatesHandles]

I recently bought Strange Brigade at the Halloween sale because of you. It's a great value! Unfortunately, my computer is a bit low-end for it, and it stutters a bit. I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I get a new computer, though.

[@philscomputerlab]

Hmm the game should run well even on older machines. Make sure you use the Vulkan option, not OpenGL. What CPU do you have?

[@Synthematix]

Ok i bought one of these cpus and i will tell you what they are the best at doing, music producing, FL studio flies with this chip and 8gb ram i tell you, the lowest sound latency ive ever seen in directX 11ms, now for directX and no ASIO soundcard thats pretty impressive. all those cores are an ideal thing for multitrack recording.

[@joeshmoe000]

I think the idea of using old server CPUs for gaming systems is a good one. You can get very good performance for a cheaper price. The only downside is the slightly lower clock speeds normally seen in server CPUs. My main system that I've had for 2 years now, is a dual CPU X5680 with 40GB of DDR3 1333. DDR3 ECC memory is soo cheap now. The performance of the system is not as good as some of the new ryzen stuff, but it's better than the vishera and bulldozer.

[@m.u.n.a1259]

I can't believe it a 2003 processor is 3.5ghz and 16 cores it will be run hundreds of fps in a game...

[@bkfbob]

um 2011

[@raulrrodriguez7552]

Like your videos, very informative on what can be had out there if you are exploringother patforms....especially on a budget

[@mwnciboo]

This channel is epic!

[@johnDingoFoxVelocity]

Ok question massive question does it have SSE 4,2 support no support no thank you most all new software requires SSE 4,2 without it forget gaming

[@connormclaughlan8196]

I'm so sad that your google is broken. But to answer your "massive" question: yes it does. It supports even more beyond this. Even some that the ryzen doesn't.

[@Synthematix]

This is to be expected, these cpus were designed for 247/365 server use only

[@Skarfar90]

Many of the new X570 platform motherboards require active cooling of the northbridge chipset, due to the power requirements for PCI-E 4.0 interface. Also, a modern AMD Ryzen will run all the games listed here at well above 60 fps at all times. In comparison (Cinebench) my R9 3900X gets just north of 3000 points in R15 with SMT on (2000-2100 without SMT), and around 7000-7200 points in R20

[@AlguienMas]

1:39 So that´s why intel jumped from x79 straight to x99

[@Sabrinahuskydog]

Just a note: These chips support quad-channel ram and the chinese boards only run the chips in dual channel mode. You would see higher performance if you used a proper motherboard with it.

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea the boards are the letdown. I since got a nice server board with dual CPU support and heaps of RAM slots...

[@johannsmith5697]

Im becoming really over AliExpress, for the 10% or so you save, you get a lot of hassles.

[@leo-fg9du]

Idk man, depending where you live, you can get some nice deals on stuff not everything tho

[@johannsmith5697]

@@leo-fg9du its a trick lol

[@Chozo4]

I gave up on aliexpress and moved to using Alibaba. Everytime I tried to pay for something on aliexpress my order would be automatically cancelled and closed due to "security reasons". It was even worse using their mobile app as I couldn't even claim coupons "due to security reasons". Have yet to experience such issues on Alibaba.

[@blueeyednick]

I love this video. Thank you so much.

[@ItsJustElenore]

I love chinese hardware manufacturers. They think "We should make a desktop board with an EOL Socket that was specifically designed for servers" and then they just flippin do it. What a bunch of absolute madlads.

[@bdhale34]

It's a shame when they cripple it by leaving out ram slots and ram support and other features a proper official board would have,

[@ItsJustElenore]

@@bdhale34 yeah but at least it fits in a standart atx case and is cheap. Hell, it's not like anyone's gonna use 16 Bulldozer cores at well under 3GHz for anything usefull these days anyways.

[@Hikarmeme]

Still on my Rx-480 reference card. Bought it new and it's never failed me.

[@agdgdgwngo]

Cool, but totally useless.

[@samthemultimediaman]

yeah the motherboard needs overclocking and more ram slots, the ram capacity was one of the selling points for an Opteron CPU. Also running more then one CPU is an option with Opterons.

[@WarLordN1k]

you know other then the mobo this 16 core cpu would be handy in a home server where clock speed is not a high priority.

[@bdhale34]

Yeah it certainly should be able to tear through some basic server work, I wouldn't pair it with a knock off motherboard though looks like that's doing some holding back with this chip here.

[@WarLordN1k]

@@bdhale34 for sure i would want more ram. and a trust worthy bios. I was looking around some of my local used computer dealers today, but all they have are duel intel xeons in a 2 or 4 U form factor.

[@bdhale34]

@@WarLordN1k Tyan or SuperMicro boards are what I would personally look for.. Opterons never really made a huge impact in the server space though so that's probably why it's not common to find them. I'd go as far as to claim they likely had 150 Xeon servers for every 1 opteron based one and the ratio may even be more in intel's favor than that really.

[@WarLordN1k]

@@bdhale34 I have seen a few SuperMicro server boards in the 200 to 300 usd range i feel like that would be my best bet to keep a eye on ebay for a deal on them. like the SUPERMICRO MBD-H8SGL-F-O need to rtfm on this board so see if it supports the 16 core cpu but is an example

[@spitzthepwner]

​@@WarLordN1k Look for HP Proliant DL585 (Quad socket) Spent 225$ for mine (no ram , no cpu) +15 $ /cpu (6376) +1$ / GB DDR3 ram (Buy pc3L only for max capacity)( You need 4 dimm per cpu minimum ) or DL 385 (Dual socket) 150$ Can easily get a Quad CPU system with 256 gb ram for under 500$

[@snaj9989]

I got the same problem with rx 470. My old motherboard just doesnt like that gpu.

[@MycketTuff]

"I haven't seen an active chipset cooling solution in a long time" Eh. 3rd gen AM4?

[@iflnr978]

Thanks for the great video!

[@georgeonisie9413]

Dude, for 24 dollars that shit was working amazing XD

[@VercingetoR3x]

Very interesting video, did you try your system with a more server/workstation-load? One of the Blender rendering benchmarks for example.

[@philscomputerlab]

Nope I really only look at gaming :)

[@jacobmatthew462]

Is this the time when amd thought threads where cores so this is actually just a 8 core?

[@kruxdt6307]

Yep

[@nonameyet2205]

Technically it is real 16 cores because unlike SMT its actually physically 16, but because it is very weak and has shared resource people think that it should be called as modules instead of cores

[@steventechno]

I remember wanting one of these back in the day. For 2009 this was some serious high end sh*t. It's holding up surprisingly well for being 10+ years old...

[@Thect]

The mb box says " making motherboards, we take it seriously" Wow

[@stonent]

Well the produced a product. If I didn't take motherboard making seriously, I don't think I'd have made one.

[@Thect]

@@stonent Yeah but normally you don't specifically make statement like this... It sounds like you are still lying.

[@toymachine4253]

@@Thect It probably sounds better in the original dialect

[@Thect]

@@toymachine4253 tried my best, not sure how to translate it properly

[@antonnym214]

You should keep t his 16-core bad-boy and see if it works better when they start putting out games that can use all those beautiful cores! GREAT video! love it! Thank you

[@zanzabar4ky7]

Those are 8 cores. They were marketed as 8 modules 16 thread and were slower than the older thulban based 12 cores in normal work loads. They had a very specific job to fold proteins, but by the time they got out a you was better.

[@isilder]

Lowering resoluton works because you are reducing video memory requirements greatly .. halving resolutuon diesnt just halve memory usage .. area is square of the side .. .. so halve resolution and it only needs 1/4 the ram ,and that means the bus is freed up ,the 3d co-pro has far less work to do,etc...