IS THIS A MAJOR NERF ON WANWAN?

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[@oliveoilroaddrygo6696]

Somehow im getting past Harith flashback with wanwan's nerf💀

[@ChenLiYong]

Oh, we have a hero named… Harith? 😂

[@Ornyl]

@Deguredolf yeah it's all cuz of her high mobility. Plus her kit that makes her amazing. I don't think she'll ever be out of meta.

[@popcorn_and_zero-coke_lady_fan]

Young cats with unli dash?

[@sweethomealabama4381]

Harith with immobilize in his ult was surely scary as hell, imagine getting spammed by his second skill and you can't move while suffering to those 3 seconds of agonizing pain of his death dance was surely not so funny

[@Benson4577]

@Deguredolf she will still get picked surely but this nerf makes her doable to fight against all you need is dominance and wanwan would be a lot slower in order to kill her they need to bring back her passive into 6 hits and that will surely kill her existence in the meta

[@Didi-yp8jx]

Phoveus : No more immortality or running away this Time.

[@cosmiceclipse]

This nerf will affect her gameplay style but tbh shes a major problem cause her mobility is too high, yeah shes squishy but dont forget she can dash away and has purify and immune to all attacks Edit: tbh even with this nerf being upcoming i guess her mobility makes her survive more but the 3 marks makes it easy for her during team fights and being protected by all So i guess her nerfs or cancel will lead to two options If cancelled her team fights will have a chance on gaining if she isnt stop first And 2nd if this nerf occurred this will lead her to a disadvantage of her losing Survivability and making her weak marksman I guess my fear of Broken DPS heroes made me realize that this two options will lead wanwan to diffferent roads

[@olaffviolet425]

Immune to all cc, but still eat the damage , and Can't immune the surpress.

[@cosmiceclipse]

@@olaffviolet425 yes but still manage to escape to normal cc her abnormal mobility

[@cosmiceclipse]

@@olaffviolet425 and the immune to all attacks i meant her ultimate

[@visiblepain7676]

Skill issues

[@minhhdhuy4977]

keep all these abilities and give back her 4 weaknesses

[@dominikpreloznik1650]

nerf after nerf, just bring back the 2021 wan wan with 4 marks

[@Vulpeon.]

Agreed, it's because of moonton's greed that she's become like this, less marks = more players and more players = more spending on her skins, it was never about less players playing her, it was about money

[@jellybutdifferent2799]

​@@Vulpeon. what point r u even making here? they hardly ever buff heroes if they don't plan to make skin for them.

[@ryany4n]

@@Vulpeon. meh, what a biased speech. What you want? The dev abandon the game? That's the point of making game, to make income.

[@sahildebbarma3361]

@@dominikpreloznik1650 had to delete my comment i thought ur was four💀

[@Vulpeon.]

Bruh, just 2 minutes in and already two hate comments, you guys do know that some of the only reasons why players played wanwan back then was because of the difficulty(high risk high reward) and the other was because they were masochists and i belong to both, also the more they nerf wanwan, the less players play her due to the rising difficulty, so what moonton is doing, is literally just setting themselves up

[@gibs40]

Since the nerf on attack effects of her ult, Wanwan has become exponentially less scary than before, and that got her out of the ban section, though she's still banned sometimes. Now with this, I don't think she's ban worthy at all.

[@youagain8447]

Unlike at her strongest, now it's mostly for the same reason for occasionally banning Fanny. You're not banning Wan-wan because she's broken or anything, you're banning her to prevent YOUR teammate from picking her and play her badly. There's also the once-in-a-blue-moon chance of meeting her actual main as enemy, which often spell defeat for your team

[@kushlover8878]

Will be even easier to burst her with Aamon now. He’s my favourite WW counter hate using physical damage heroes vs her due to WON.

[@Memokeeper]

​​@@youagain8447 this is literally my team,doesn't matter how much wr and matches i show they keep banning my Wanwan🗿🗿 Sometimes when im requesting Wanwan and other player requesting another mm they basically ignore me & enemy got Wanwan....and we're lose but somehow it was my fault for not picking Wanwan (see how bruhh that is)

[@Whitesofa0]

That means i can play here!

[@thanhnhatmonster1937]

Shut up low rank

[@ashfaqahammedshipu1036]

They should just bring back 4weakness point and revert all this nerf

[@izzme5204]

All these nerfs started ever since they made it three😢

[@alemansprototypeguy]

Remove attack assist and she's all balanced.

[@aatroxtheworldender933]

This is good nerf, Wanwan is one of the most obnoxious champions in the game. She is Kalista without nerfs.

[@i_saidmeow2469]

4 targets would be a worse nerf. She just needs her ult to be triggered much slower. What if she needs to hit twice or thrice the same weakness? That would make her more balanced?

[@-softarxhie-]

Fr

[@LeviAckerman-co1lw]

At this point they should just bring back the old wanwan rather than nerfing her to the ground💀 I mean we get it she's still getting banned alot in mg and played in tournaments but isn't it better to make more marksman catch up to her than nerfing her and making her completely useless⁉️⁉️

[@cosmiceclipse]

Dude shes way too fast to catch, i mean some heroes do but dont forget items and teams can help her during battles even shes solo theres a chance for her to escape

[@MLBB_Eboade]

@@cosmiceclipse if she can't ULT she can't escape. That's the point of the 4 weakness. So difficult to ULT.

[@Dan-ng7xd]

Lmao this cosmic guy, are serious on phrasing “there is a chance” of course there’s always a chance, every hero gets a chance. You just wanted an auto-dead wanwan every game when you engage? Lmao just stop playing if you’re like this, or just learn how to play the game correctly, maybe you just need to learn how to use burst mages and assasin then your fears on wanwan will burn into ashes

[@bakerrlo5561]

ppl are saying revert back the 4 weakpoints and erase these past nerfs but that will make things way worse than current op wanwan. The reason why wanwan was one of the most difficult hero unlike current wanwan was due to her mobility being interrupted by attack assists not becuz of 4 marks. It takes experience and skills to just hop around unlike current wanwan who can hop easily with just setting an attack assist off. As long as this setting is viable, 4 marks wont be much of a problem.

[@bakerrlo5561]

@@Dan-ng7xd i dunno what this cosmic guy is tryna say but i believe shes one of the most op hero in current meta

[@swaggamesph3342]

This place wanwan in the forgotten realm. She has 2 good advantage, her mobility and ult. Her ult relies on her mobility so basically you'll have hard time triggering the ult now and can now easily be catch by enemy heroes nearby.

[@woojinbloo44]

Three actually, her purify.

[@Who_How.]

Wanwan getting that ling and harith treatment💀

[@Kokowomee]

Wanwan still has her immune/damage ult and a free purify

[@y0isaki]

@@Kokowomee It's literally ALL she has now. She no longer has cc, decreased mobility, high cdr on all skills, low damage... Its strong point has always been mobility as a marksman, but Moonton doesn't see that the only "broken" of Wanwan is its 3 weaknesses. They should just leave Wanwan as it was at her debut and the problem would be solved.

[@doubled6995]

Harith can be scaled to be good without being overdominating: -Passive: When there are at least 2 enemies, he gets 20% resilience (including all summoned units, clones and entities like Popol's trap, Melissa's dolls, Selena's traps etc.) up to 60% -1st Skill: Reduce base damage from the explosion part by 150 early and 200 late game and magic scaling to 1.4 (this is what made Harith so broken back then that it melts beyond 50% hp even the sustain fighters) -2nd skill: Reduce cooldown to 9.0 and gains only 50% shield when not attacking enemy heroes (the 2nd skill is his main sustain of offense and the cooldown skip of his 2nd and the amount of shield he gains back then was way too busted before) -Ultimate: Add 10% magic lifesteal to 2nd skill and skill cost be 100-0 and will reduce magic defense of enemies slowed by 15-30. (the ultimate currentlu is just a mere slow against an enemy) Ling's durability was way too much making him not even good to play the jungle: -Passive: Remove the 60% critical damage reduction and increase energy restored while on top to 5 per second. (the 2 times critical chance from all source was a good concept but it was a bit too much because of his 2nd skill massive damage increase) -1st skill: Reduce cooldown to 15 seconds but not affected by cooldown reduction. Increase critical chance gain to 5%-15% (20 seconds is too much as if preventing him from being able to fight on ground compared to Fanny who can fly as fast and as far) -2nd skill: Nerf base damage to 200-300 (Reduce energy cost to 30 and increase physical scale to 35%. Weaken slow to 20% for 1 second fixed. The skill will have a 0.25 seconds ministun, 100% crit chance and will reduce Physical Defense of enemies hit by 10-25 if used from the wall. Change hp restored to 20% of damage dealt but reduced to 10% of damage dealt to each if it hits at least 2 enemies. (his initial release has so much lifesteal which was broken and the massive base damage buff is too broken) -Ultimate: Increase swords to 5 and will reset 2nd skill and restore 30 energy. (It is a weird mechanic that he cannot do a quick 4-swords without moving the left analog)

[@y0isaki]

@@doubled6995 Harith is ok after some updates, he's only forgotten by the community🥺

[@Who_How.]

@@y0isaki the nerf on her first skill stun→ immobilize was so bad i stopped playing her (imo it's bad remember how op Wanwan was when m-world skin released)

[@fathanrakha9295]

Why did they do this? It's clearly not needed for her to be nerfed this brutally. Just make her mark to 4, and people would stop complaining, seriously Moontoon with their stupid decision.

[@ConnorPie]

Even if it's a Major nerf on her people will still keep playing her, Moonton should buff non used Marksmans rather than nerfing the decent Marksmans. (Such as Claude - Bruno etc.) [ There's a WAR going on in the comment section ]

[@alemansprototypeguy]

Claude nonused? Still has decent popularity on high ranks though.

[@mlacc5020]

Buffing claude is so lmao very funny joke man

[@abhishekprajapati5994]

Probably in epic rank

[@cosmiceclipse]

Why claude hes too powerful in late game and bruno is a hella nightmare like layla

[@kobiemartinbose6126]

Buffing Bruno would be the biggest atrocity in the gold lane. Bruno already deals 920 crit dmg with once core item. What else does he need? He has a dash, an enhanced basic atk, increase mobility per basic atk, a decent cc push back.

[@ventionly]

That's a major nerf for her cause her kit is base on the attack speed and if the attack speed becomes lower the affectiveness of her kit will be gone and that's her main damage come to shines, and how squishy she is.

[@ventionly]

- Wanwan main

[@renpika775]

They didn’t nerf her attack speed though, the nerfed the jump speed scaling with attack speed

[@Ornyl]

Atk speed not nerfed.

[@leonmystique9372]

They did not lower her attack speed, they lowered her jump distance

[@guestlordplayz382]

​@@leonmystique9372 jump speed, this is a huge deal. now phoveus can catch her 100%

[@euvic561]

At this point I'm expecting them to nerf her second skill like completely removing the purify effect

[@yushi6614]

just remove her Purify and replace it with like stun or attack speed buff to complement with her passive

[@Yvsdaddy]

​@@yushi6614 STUN ON WANWAN UR HUMAN?

[@Mr.CreamyGaming]

​@@YvsdaddyWanwan had stun on her first skill before??!

[@haibbb6143]

Ikr, we can at least counter her with stun then

[@KyoshiHiruno]

The only way to balance her is to remove her jumps when not attacking a target

[@MrJomharp]

At this point they should've just completely removed her from the game. This is absurd

[@namelesssturdy4676]

Cuzz u play her I dont think u ever faced a good wanwan if u r a wan main. She is very oppressive. What makes her hard to play againts it the dash speed and her second skill.

[@MrJomharp]

@@namelesssturdy4676 exactly why I'm saying that this is absurd. This is too much for the past few patches. It's because I PLAY HER. I CAN WITNESS THE ABSURDITY OF THE RESULT OF YOU GUYS COMPLAINING HOW "OVERPOWERED" SHE IS. She's literally unplayable from early-mid and barely performs great in the late game. She can literally be countered by almost anyone at this point. And don't even call me out that I haven't experienced playing AGAINST a wanwan. THE ENEMY WANWAN DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A CHANCE MOST OF THE TIME BECAUSE OF HOW SQUISHY SHE IS AND HOW WEAK HER DAMAGE OUTPUT IS IN EARLY GAME. You can't use her 2nd skill as another excuse as it literally has high cd in early-mid game. What could her passive dash do? What could mobility do when she literally can be killed with a few hits while also dealing little to no damage until you get at least three core items to be able to stand a chance? I've faced multiple wanwan users, "good" or "bad" users, most of them struggle based on who they're facing. Marksmen with high damage output in early game like bruno could easily melt her hp down during early game and if that keeps up she wouldn't be able to catch up with the gold gap. Y'all just keep complaining how "op" she is because you always get faced against a "professional" wanwan user most of the time, but i doubt you even know how it goes for wanwan users at all. You get to complain all you want because you don't know how those wanwan users deal with this, you just keep complaining because you can't get over wanwan users. I'm tired of hearing another person complaining about a hero that has been nerfed down to hell and still asking for more nerfs. I could take the jokes but in all seriousness this is fucked. I hope players like you who always see wanwan "op" see how tuned down her performance is now all throughout the recent nerfs on her.

[@namelesssturdy4676]

Well more nerfs will be satisfying

[@trisaanthrao]

No matter how many times Moonton nerfs Wanwan, she is still strong and OP

[@Ornyl]

Can't say op, but yah she's strong.

[@dintuambarri3822]

She's strong, but not op

[@KJmadKing]

Auto ban forever

[@h.h4417]

she's squishy so easy to get killed

[@generalXiphos448]

Not op... But high skill hero

[@nobml2635]

The biggest mistake moonton ever made to wanwan was to allow her to disable attack assist since that removes all the difficulty of using wanwan and if it was never applied she wouldn't have all of these nerfs in the first place I remember when wanwan used to be one of the "hardest" hero requiring skill and experience almost similar to fanny she need to utilize all her skills to unlock her ulti (which is why her 1st skill exist) but now? All you need is pro build and turning off attack assist and you're all good to go without any skill necessary

[@abegailardales3281]

True and they should bring back her 4 weakness and revert some of her nerfs I mean I didn't like how wanwan is slightly more easier to use than before

[@julliferjosephtuba2202]

Wanwan's ult is super strong, so it should go without saying that activating it should be reasonably difficult to make it fair. What did moontong do instead? decrease 4 marks to 3 marks, then granted unhinged mobility even when just hitting air. Wanwan crutchers would say "oh she's squishy af so it's justified", - as if they don't have a free purify skill every few seconds, - as if the broken mobility isn't enough to save their asses - as if inspire wasn't suddenly buffed to give lifesteal - as if rosegold meteor and other defensive options don't exist If a hero gets nerfed consecutively every single patch but still gets heavily contested in pro play, you know there's something inherently imbalanced with the character design, these crutchers just can't admit it cause they know they'd be nothing more than epical glory players without the cat-bird hero.

[@shumagorath-wp2hg]

Couldn't said it better my self no one can kill wanwan that us babysit by a tank or protected by a team. Chance of winning are slim. If your a tank or fighter user there is nothing you can do. Not even aldous can punch her at full build lol learned that the hard way. Most mages can't even burst her free cc immune. Moontoon can revert all her changes back I don't care just remove that stupid cc immune skill and I'll be happy. Then at least she can be stunned and make them play more carefully

[@ruanrodriguesc]

yea, Moonton thinks their players are dumb, making Heroes and Emblem system easier to use

[@kevinfernando4140]

Well said and I agree 110%

[@Valentina39217]

Ah fuck this just bring back the 4 weakness points and revert all the nerf she received

[@ritziscool]

as a wanwan main, that nerf is way too much in my opinion, its going to affect her more than her nerfs before, maybe they should tone it down a bit.

[@Empouror]

As a wanwan main she deserves the nerf with no assumption strong like hell (Wanwan make game 80% win chance)

[@cimtheaverage]

@night0 if ur skilled player then this nerf will be no problem to you. If ur skilled player im sure you’re still skilled since ur skill as a player won’t be affected if the hero ur using gets nerfed

[@eirxd5658]

Wanwan is getting the Harrith treatment... tons of nerfs and adjustments.

[@markmercado5077]

THE ONLY NERF WANWAN NEEDS IS THAT SHE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DASH IF HER ATTACK DOES NOT HIT A TARGET. if they remove that ability, they should revert some of her previous nerfs and wanwan would be balanced

[@DevinSant]

Please, send that idea to the S.A.C and make your main WW friends happy; not me, 'cuz I don't really play her, but I also think that nerf is too much.

[@popcorn_and_zero-coke_lady_fan]

Unfortunately, Moonton doesn't want to revert back previous implemented nerfs

[@Snowy_Quantum]

Yeah I feel like that good I been thinking this all day

[@lincolnh07]

Then if moonton nerf wanwan like you have just said then her passive will become useless

[@mhikzngakaze7024]

that is not wanwan anymore.

[@coldzero4962]

Not a fan of this nerf. She was already balanced before this. The only nerf that was reasonable was the fact that she couldnt transfer her ult to a squishy hero if she activated it on a tank... Or if that enemy died before she could press ult.

[@darrenlingling1023]

You can't say a hero with a purify spell with 10 sec cooldown and has the most dashy mechanic is balanced lol

[@pipmo0526]

balance my ass, this hero is broken that no nerf will fix her

[@hydroflasks3571]

@@pipmo0526 Can u guys focus on the actual problems here?? Harley is dominating, saber is just beaindead. U dont seem like u even tried wanwan this patch, she is literally so hard to use now and is nerfed for the 4th time in a row. This isnt balancing anymore theyre killing the character. Its literally ridiculous, Yin is a huge carry as well. And there is no such thing as a 0 deaths wanwan anymore, by saying this mlbb is gonna pay more attention to the fanbase and literally delete the character itself😭

[@pipmo0526]

@@hydroflasks3571 Well I didn't mention other buster hero cause the video is about wanwan, but you right there are some op shits out there. Like moskov who doesnt give a shit to attack speed debuf and just go full machine gun.

[@guestlordplayz382]

@@hydroflasks3571 lets also add kagura to having a purify with pretty much the same cd as wanwan yet noone complains, kagura also has 3 cc effects, 2 dash, a total of +400% magic dmg scaling with short cd. noone complains we also have arlott, bro has unli heal with his secondskill-hit mark, 2 annoying short cd cc, extremely high dmg, not even zilong full dmg can kill him i could name a few more yet they only focus on wanwan cus theyre biased, the mlbb community sucks:/

[@M_Hass]

I would rather have the old one with the 4 weaknesses hit.

[@whitelotus8960]

She was literally so balanced and perfect before any of those unnecessary buffs after they made her weaknes mark to 3. Now look what moonton is doing as a consequence to their greed for the M world skin, nerf after nerf for months, they might as well delete her from the game in the next update

[@kevinfernando4140]

They just wanted more people to use her to money grab and now the actual mains are suffering.

[@edwardlaxamana8703]

bffr.. she was never balanced with her disgusting purify, unli dashes, invincibility.. not to mention we were able to target anyone when we unlock her ult

[@whitelotus8960]

@@edwardlaxamana8703 maybe because your actually needed to use your brain and have some skills to unlock her ult? It wasn't op it was balanced, and there are plenty of ways to counter her

[@kentdoge]

Moonton: OMG Novaria is so Op lets nerf wanwan

[@mephistosimp]

they REALLY want Wanwan to use boots

[@yinnimn]

@@juniourdaquan How do u think she will survive without her mobility? And also she needs to unlock her ultimate before firing it. There are mms who can wipe out a whole team without their ultimate and don't even have to unlock anything like Melissa, Moskov and Miya in the late game...

[@realmec11blue99]

yz: moonton cancel my nerf or i gonna destroy your studio

[@wyneci]

I think its bcoz of the new talent system. Adv server Marksman emblem has higher atk speed than the OG emblem system. So wanwan might have 25% (I'm not sure) atk speed at the start of the game and OG emblem has only 12.5%. I think it is the reason why they nerfed her.

[@cheolee7009]

So the only mm moonton see is Wanwan 🙂

[@user-jw9uv1tv7h]

​@@cheolee7009 cause wanwan is the greatest mage

[@noobie1coc684]

what about other mm which is in meta?? i don't know about other server but in my server she is hardly get picked. as other mm like mellisa ,bruno,brody,lesley,claude,kimmy,irithel,moskov,hanabi are picked. also her hp is way too low plus the range and now even her dashing just permanently ban her. she won't be playable with her current stats. although if they make her attack range long like layla and increase the dmaage of basic attack its a different case.

[@ainzooalgown9680]

Insane mobility , free purify(2nd skill) , and imune to all attack(ult state) Yeah she deserve a nerf

[@hydroflasks3571]

2nd skill is the main issue. The ult got enough nerfs 😭

[@GoofyMarine637]

Not only the she is slower, the range is also smaller

[@AhmadFadliRamadhan]

we need her 4 mark passive back

[@sourgrpes0_0]

it all started with the 3 marks buff, shift her back to 4 marks

[@sourgrpes0_0]

PETITION TO MAKE WANWAN 4 MARKS AGAIN @HORORO CHAN NOTICE ME

[@thebuckstar1162]

seriously she don't deserve this nerf. im not wanwan user but pls this is over. just bring back old wanwan with 4 stacks

[@jemzy8783]

Moonton:Faramis is so op, let's nerf wanwan

[@i_saidmeow2469]

Use Hanabi and bye bye immunity Unless there's Lesley laning

[@billyt6841]

Faramis and wanwan both nerfed many times. This joke is failed

[@Evitzeoshowerthoughts]

@@billyt6841 yeah while faramis got buffed recently by making his cd start when casting instead of after the ult finishes.

[@jemzy8783]

What I mean About this is,everytime an update is released Almost everytime wanwan is there getting nerfed,Faramis gets buff recently too

[@cazb1921]

I think the the 2nd skill is what's making wan2 so viable Edit: nerfing the purify skill instead of the mobility is a better choice imo, since one of the reason she is strong is because of the spell inspire, removing the purify on her 2nd skill will make her use other spells

[@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz8788]

just revert all her buffs and nerfs and bring back her 4 weakness marks

[@youagain8447]

Since Wan-wan's 2nd only gives purify effect and really small dmg, there's not much to be nerfed there other than its already long CD, which doesn't change anything since she can only use it once per fights anyway. I'm honestly more on QoL changes like what Moonton did with Gatotkaca and Phoveus. My suggestion would be to tweak with the animation of 1st skill, whether by making it faster or slower since each have pros and cons. That way, she'll be harder to proc ult, whether by smaller window of faster 1st skill or longer delay

[@rifqimahfuzhi4753]

or maybe remove her 2nd skill ability to create and break weakness point. many wanwan players abuse this a lot and made her ultimate easily available. since she only has 3 weakness point now, maybe it's a good change to balance her

[@kevinfernando4140]

@@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz8788 legit. Ww was better when it first came withher difficulty. Everything changed when the disguised nerf attacked.

[@unerwrl673]

that would only make wanwan lose her purpose won't it and besides she was made to be like long ago and went through many adjustments. it's just sad that my main is getting nerfed again peace

[@yen6170]

Time to make WanWan Tank build

[@KokoJeuru]

I'll do the same with 40% CD reduction, hahaha😂😆🤣✌️👍

[@blcafe4585]

😂

[@alzetilted33]

Joy: _*nervously sweating_

[@bakerrlo5561]

ppl are saying revert back the 4 weakpoints and erase these past nerfs but that will make things way worse than current op wanwan. The reason why wanwan was difficult hero was becuz her mobility was interrupted by attack assists. It takes experience and skills to just hop around unlike current wanwan who can hop easily with just setting an attack assist off. As long as this setting is viable, 4 marks wont be much of a problem.

[@mhmmadhilalnew2882]

Phoveus:Now my ultimate Will on point to her

[@carmillastyria4172]

Wanwan is very squishy, she relies on that skipping passive for survivability.... They should atleast give her a small shield in her second instead to compensate for the decrease in survivability

[@nightmarevibe5928]

Muntone: New heroes are op, let's nerf wanwan

[@sweethomealabama4381]

Moonton be nerfing Wanwan, forgetting about how squishy she can be, even with speed, a mere few hits would erase her from the map, and dont get me wrong, i one punched a Wanwan with max level with full build, and thats only Chou and thats with boots, imagine if i switch boots with another BOD, that would be an overkill, i hate it when players complain when she is literally the lowest HP MM, forgetting the fact that Layla can one shot because of how low her HP is, it's just sad to see Wanwan getting the hardest nerfs, and she isnt even that dangerous, a single snipe from another marksman would straight up erase her from the map, and she also had a small range, being reached by Moskov that possess a really short range for a mm (4.5 yards only), and this nerf would make her beyond fodder, she is build to counter assassins and fighters, but the matter with mm and mages would make her a fodder even with def, that only lowers her attack and funny enough, just use few def items and she would be tickling you, crazy part here is, only few people knows how to deal with her is a stupid skill issue, im pretty sure, mythic guys must have know how to deal with these squishy girl right? Im not even MG level and i can tell she is easy to kill, unless you are a tank or a fighter since she is built to bamboozle slow enemies, and i pretty much put a frown even against skilled Wanwan users knowing how to torn them apart

[@snowdrop002]

Moonton really dug their own grave with the 3 weakness ult. Now they don't know how to balance her. She was perfectly fine before, high risk high reward. Now its little to no risk high reward.

[@martiangameplay8483]

the nerf is good tbh as wanwan is prob the fastest mm

[@noobie1coc684]

bruh she is way too squishy bro. plus now other mm can even counter while her second skill active. i mean no more stun . literally getting past harith nerf with wanwan.

[@martiangameplay8483]

@@noobie1coc684 bro her ult is like unstunnable

[@hello_monstera]

​@@martiangameplay8483 dude we have kaja and Franco what do you want for? Turn on her hit assist?

[@leonmystique9372]

@@hello_monstera Even with both of them and Barats, that's pretty niche considering not every team has cooperative members

[@goatplayer1233]

SCREW ALL WANWAN USERS I HOPE THIS NERF GETS WORSEEE

[@JustMe-pd8zm]

Okay, I'm gonna be honest I didn't care about the other nerfs since I thought she was still strong because of her ult. But this slowness is too much. Her range makes her vulnerable to fighters but she makes up with speed. With this that advantage is basically gone.

[@MarkLemuelDequito]

Oh my god so much vulnerable to fighters ?still dash unlike layla

[@JustMe-pd8zm]

@@MarkLemuelDequito Layla has the range of a turret 💀

[@yushi6614]

free purify, invinsibilty, unli dash and you don't need boots with her so its 6 item slots. I still think she can still wreak havoc and dominate the game, right now wanwan it the most op marksman even after Too many nerfs.

[@woojinbloo44]

@@yushi6614 Lesley can one-shot combo Wanwan if both have full items.

[@MLBB_Eboade]

@@woojinbloo44 people have too much PTSD for this girl. And i don't blame em. I blame the stupid decision made by moonton in the first place smh. If only they didn't buff her

[@cade4630]

there very close on removing wanwan atp

[@hyck.]

The instant they changed the amount of weaknesses I knew nothing good will ever come out of this... And I was right. I have some serious bad luck when it comes to liking heroes. So many of them lost what I liked them for initially and became a totally different hero ;/

[@kamilmaul]

Admit it moonton, you could choose the easy way, but you are prideful...

[@emmafrost16]

At this point they might as well bring the 4 weakpoints back. It's stupid how they focus too much on one hero when mm like miya and moskov exists, them with inspire is like a cheat. Miya with the right team and good positioning can wipe your team in a whim. While wanwan can get countered by simple windchant or winter truncheon. Hell even layla can counter you greatly with just her 1st and 2nd skill. Same goes with silvanna. Tons of fights have cc immunity in them but they chose to cancel her adjustment, what are they even thinking?

[@starryskyhighway9628]

With recent phoveus buff ..this made that wanwan 100% countered by Phoevus... usually in late game...wanwan is so agile that even phoveus can't catch up

[@JustAnotherAwesomeGuy]

Well for everything there should be a 100% counter so that's fair. What's the use of a counter when it can't even counter properly

[@cheolee7009]

Why is Wanwan Nerf everytime.. i guess it was my mistake to make my fav hero ....😢😢😢😢 Im very sad

[@a_playerrrrr]

Ngl but they could just turn wan2 back to the old version wig 4 weakpoints as it would be harder but it would aldo give a higher reward instead of just constantly nerfing her every balance change

[@kokonut3709]

Just give back her 4 marks and leave her alone, Moonton.

[@krazycat04]

Edith is so OP! Let's nerf Wanwan.

[@tusharshaw7384]

Being a wanwan major, this nerf has affected so much, and when enemy buys dominance ice , its so hard to play with her

[@ineedmorecarrots6063]

infinite dash,purify, bs ult that can last up to 5 secs of immunity so yeah a deserved nerf

[@pixelice6206]

Meanwhile Melissa *Evil laugh*

[@unknownmystery6087]

Still going on the banned section she will never leave there because of her ultimate is crazy!

[@warrior3710]

imo if they nerf her like this at least give her a damage buff.

[@lowrence5579]

Wanwan's Kits are all S tier. Passive: Mark that Reveal the enemy plus Dash. 1st: Can be used to check bush plus immobilized the enemy. 2nd: Built-in purify. 3rs/Ult: Helicopter with a Gatling gun. They can nerf her to the core, but In the hands of someone who played her over a thousand games. This is nothing. She's just built perfectly.

[@macarthur699]

I think they are giving way to the upcoming hero ixia.

[@BOYAHot1]

Welp so much for wanwan in the game.. They killed here with this Speaking from a wanwan main

[@SUIREIx]

They should bring back old wanwan and thought of doing this nerf at first, I kept telling everyone the ppl who are incharged on balancing nerfing and buffing heros have no creativity on adjusting hero's

[@dittles]

Nah, more nerfs need to happen. Her ultimate alone is broken no matter how you look at it, essentially clearing out a whole team just for getting the "weak points". Meanwhile, guys like my man Gatotkaca constantly get knocked out of his ult constantly because of slow startup, no invincibility on startup (unlike Edith's skill1), and people can see it coming from practically a mile away....totally balanced.... Her mobility makes her super annoying, but her ultimate makes her broken....

[@sindlarch3032]

It's a stupid nerf to be honest. It just removes the quality of Wanwan. They already nerfed the speed of her ult and her damage now Wanwan is starting to become a normal mm instead of Wanwan. If they'll really do this it will be so bad.

[@MuRaD_mlbb522]

Phoveos is buffed anyways to counter her, why nerfing her even more so that she's lost into forgotten hero again?!

[@zyanchan9992]

Uhm hororo chan can I ask if the nerf is still continued ? It's an update rn and they didn't mention wanwan nerf

[@MuhammadAkbarP]

Yes, just like Joy, mobility for squishy heroes is very important

[@namelesssturdy4676]

Why dont they give saber mobility? He is squishy too. Going by your logic. Why not make layla mobile?

[@MuhammadAkbarP]

@@namelesssturdy4676 Saber with skill 2 dash, and Layla with Skill 1 hit, if all mobile, what's the point of free hero and 32k BP heroes?

[@Toomuchconfidentidiotsonearth]

Yeah tbh i feel her moving using her passive is a legitimate glitch that needs to be FIXED LOL. I mean if there is no target to hit how is that even considered a basic "attack", when there is nothing to attack. Thats like moskov spamming his basic attack at nth to refresh is skill cooldowns or like dyrroth triggering his circle attack to reduce his skill 1 and 2 cooldowns. Ridiculous lol. She is widely used because once you know how to out maneuvre your enemy she is just an easy maniac/savage hero. And since she can literally jump around because of her dash she sells her boots which allows her to buy an extra item which makes a huge difference. I dont even consider this a nerf LOL. They reduced her stacks to trigger her ultimate thats a huge buff already.

[@Wan2ML_DragonMasterSCE]

My main...nooo why another nerf 😭 But for me she's still the most strongest and balanced hero during 1v5 situations 😉

[@themarchoftime]

this is a phoveus buff!

[@shinhikaru]

The only nerf that's suitable for Wanwan right now is actually just bring her old Passive where you need 4 Marks instead of 3 back. With 3 Marks, she's one of the hardest marksman to kill, since she got mobility, a purification skill, and also an ultimate that makes her untargetable while also creating chaos in team fights. A nerf on Wanwan is needed as she is one of the heroes that are always banned or picked in Legend+

[@bakerrlo5561]

ppl are saying revert back the 4 weakpoints and erase these past nerfs but that will make things way worse than current op wanwan. The reason why wanwan was one of the most difficult hero unlike current wanwan was due to her mobility being interrupted by attack assists not becuz of 4 marks. It takes experience and skills to just hop around unlike current wanwan who can hop easily with just setting an attack assist off. As long as this setting is viable, 4 marks wont be much of a problem.

[@shinhikaru]

@@bakerrlo5561 even with basic attack smart targeting, Wanwan's popularity is still average even with 4 marks. It's the 3 Mark buff that made her extremely hard to deal with, since you can just hope once and the 2 marks in front of her is broken, while her 1st skill can break the last one. Wanwan also doesn't benefit with Trinity Build, so her popularity isn't affected with Trinity build nerf, it's her kit.

[@jellybutdifferent2799]

buff a hero till broken and nerf them down until spine afterward:moonton things

[@a.s1348]

Ph she realy strong and hard to catch or ascape

[@Sopotastic]

The only major nerf is my glorious king Hayabusa, they need to bring back the old, strong, handsome, and powerful Hayabusa, the revamp busa is a bust, the old one is a must.

[@alzetilted33]

"The New may be handsome, but the Old is cooler" -idk someone

[@vexcarius7100]

Meanwhile, Lesley and Bruno oneshotting every Fighter and Marksmen in the current season.

[@vengeance_MM]

People who can't use wanwan are happy right now (⁠ب⁠_⁠ب⁠)

[@NishaadPatil]

DID WANWANS ULT CRIT BEFORE???????????????

[@Ryou-desu]

Pain... Suffering... Cheeseballs...

[@rexie9856]

why they just dont delete her? she received bunches of nerf, and they still keep applying adjustments on her skills etc, tho im not wanwan user and ik she is op but it just kinda disrespectful on wanwan mains, there's so many heroes that needed an adjustments but wanwan always received in every patch

[@papi001]

i feel like the problem with this that it should have a cd or a mechanic like bene basic attack dashes

[@de8087]

Nice nerf...as assasin user it irritated me to chase down full item wanwan and by the time i catch up to her, my health is going down by half..❤❤

[@lannemks]

yeah she aint fast anymore but shes fast at being nerf

[@hskdjh421]

Honestly, I barely noticed the difference until the side by side comparison. I'm not sure if this is a HUGE NERF since I don't actually play her. 🤷

[@zaneflores3963]

Just revert her passive to 4 Weakness please.

[@JustZ0920]

Finally i can stop relying on my solo queue support to not let wanwan unlock ult in 2 seconds

[@cobzgamingyt8535]

Gloo is so op let's nerf wan wan

[@noobie1coc684]

😂😂true .

[@virus2339]

The attack speed adjustment is tolerable IF they revert the adjustment on her ult

[@JVBobis]

meanwhile, fanny & ling while watching this: we are not complaining tho... and remain silenced

[@Hooded_Operator_]

Man I wish they would give us old wanwan back. I miss those days

[@earldominic3467]

wouldn't it make sense to not allow basic attack when no minion/hero around?

[@neroch331]

just make add more weakness point to make her harder to play, they don't have give that much nerf strike.

[@skylarkmist1784]

As a marksman user this is honestly disrespectful

[@ryevrcls578]

you better try when there is chasing her while casting her normal hit. It will see if the passive is nerf together with the item`s passive

[@rotatinggear]

"Catching up to wanwan is almost impossible when she have 300%-500% atk speed" Lol nah my Alucard and Zilong says hello I just jumpscare her until her HP is at half or lower then she use won and run away using inspire but I'm just catch her using my passive or ult if im using zilong. Btw im using zilong on gold lane if my team has an marksman jungler like yss or granger

[@noobie1coc684]

and other assasin and mage be like 🙄

[@noobie1coc684]

its just stupid of them. other mm like mellisa ,brody,and bruno should need nerfed.

[@rotatinggear]

@@noobie1coc684 Not all of them tho choose wisely. The mage must be poke/burst like lunox valen. If the mage was like eudora vale etc Wanwan still could escape. Same to the assassin if you pick saber to lock wanwan then it's a suicide.

[@toryusen]

To be honest that is actually a fix. Not really a nerf.

[@unknown_wanderer69]

Tbh it isn't bad and it'll make the game more fair, especially if your team doesn't have heroes that can catch her.

[@hydroflasks3571]

theyre killing the character. Its not even a balancing issue anymore

[@samuisworld7716]

This nerf isn’t enough. Yes I’m serious. The other thing that’s OP in Wanwan is her complete immunity and untargettability when using her ultimate. They should remove that feature, it’s the main thing that makes her so hard to deal with because you literally cannot kill her while she singlehandedly wipes out your entire team with her ultimate.

[@3ms772]

Dude just get urself windchant 💀

[@samuisworld7716]

@@3ms772 Wind Chant has a long cooldown and only marksmen can use it, otherwise it only lasts for 1 second. Wanwan deletes everyone with trinity build so physical def items don’t matter either, she can even melt tanks, and she’s hard to burst herself when she has Athena’s Shield and Antique Cuirass equipped, Purify on 2nd skill, continuous dash, immunity from ult, untargettability, vision from passive, nobody can touch her, yeah she’s perfectly balanced 💀

[@samuisworld7716]

@@3ms772 And Winter Truncheon ain’t good either, it only lasts for a few seconds and Wanwan will definetely chase you after you use that so you’re still going to die 💀

[@3ms772]

Meeehhh listen I am a wanwan main that have 600 matches, if she loses ANY of her abilities she will fall super hard for example if this nerf was actually applied I promise she will lose her spot in both mpl ban section and as my main

[@3ms772]

@@samuisworld7716she's op, but can't be fixed, but also not as op as other meta heroes, I mean in my opinion they should leave her because how many times do you actually get a wanwan that can actually use her? She's something like fanny or ling maybe harith and YSS

[@al-jorne8043]

MLB: OH Melissa became so strong 😮 then let's nerf wanwan 😢

[@edilbertobobadilla9138]

As a wanwan hater, I'll say well deserved 👏

[@yinnimn]

Or u are just too much of a noob to defeat Wanwan😀

[@minlensingson1986]

If your phone has 60 fps or above and your ms is below 30 try wanwan if not just dont